Tony Jabroni
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Does anyone have the full clip from last night regarding Daniel Bryan. (Start to finish)
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
I checked in on TNA last night... 
at this Matt Hardy heel championship run.
You've got Hardy, who has Darren Rovell-type branding concerns as part of his gimmick, arrogant with muscle AND a hot wife as side kicks. But you throw in his 8 month old son Maxel? It's different if he was a face and TNA is trying to push him as a family man, all around good guy, whatever. But he's not. So you have your muscle holding this baby while you cut a promo, calling yourself "iconic"
Can't they Dixie or some other gal backstage to hold the kid for 10 minutes while he's out there?
If imps existed, I'd gladly pay one $100 to pinch Maxel and have him cut his own promo on camera.
at this Matt Hardy heel championship run.You've got Hardy, who has Darren Rovell-type branding concerns as part of his gimmick, arrogant with muscle AND a hot wife as side kicks. But you throw in his 8 month old son Maxel? It's different if he was a face and TNA is trying to push him as a family man, all around good guy, whatever. But he's not. So you have your muscle holding this baby while you cut a promo, calling yourself "iconic"
Can't they Dixie or some other gal backstage to hold the kid for 10 minutes while he's out there?If imps existed, I'd gladly pay one $100 to pinch Maxel and have him cut his own promo on camera.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Bryan will get a Legends contract and if he wants to....will do stuff on the network that gibes with his personality ala Edge and Christian. He looks like the type of guy though that'll just fade into the woodwork and live life.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
Did anyone else pick up the post-RAW stuff on the network? It ended with a really awkward moment where Vince starts walking to the back, and someone pulls him out of his walk.
See it here: http://imgur.com/qrGM0kV - can't seem to click the link to see it, but it works with a copy and paste? weird.
It looked...weird. Apparently, Titus O'Neil has been suspended for 90 days stemming from this incident.
See it here: http://imgur.com/qrGM0kV - can't seem to click the link to see it, but it works with a copy and paste? weird.
It looked...weird. Apparently, Titus O'Neil has been suspended for 90 days stemming from this incident.
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Bogart
Footballguy
I saw the incident live, but was watching on my phone, so was hard to pick up. It looked playful at best, ribbing at the worst. Sucks for Titus. Misses out on a WM check most likely and any single push he was getting is dead.
With all of the walking dead in the WWE locker room, to suspend a healthy, slightly over, guy just seems stupid.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
There has to be more to this story...did Vince get a shoulder injury? Is he mad about Titus doing something to distract from Daniel Bryan's night?
Titus is one of WWE's most decorated and well recognized charity representatives...the whole thing is pretty strange.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Yeah saw it live but it was hard to tell what exactly happened. Other than you can tell something did. Havent tried to go back to watch (if even still avail)
Real dumb move by the guy. Rib Vince, whatever, backstage off camera.
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In The Zone
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
That was a joke in an UpRoxx article that stupid dirt sheets are running with.
Titus: “Hey, we need to talk about me losing to Adam Rose”
Vince: “I DON’T KNOW WHO THAT IS, LET GO OF ME DAMMIT”
Jeremy
Footballguy
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I remember a guy that once was in Vince's doghouse for unprofessional conduct in the ring that involved breaking kayfabe and embracing a couple of wrestlers that were defecting. That guy turned out alright.
Bogart
Footballguy
OK, maybe that was a little more than playful. I have a feeling words were said.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
LaBar's a complete moron. He's a blogger desperate for WWE employment. I'd put absolutely zero stock into anything he types.
Titus stuff might get more interesting. His good real life friend Dave Batista (who was responsible for bringing Titus to WWE in 1st place) told him to request his release. Pretty sure Dave has enough pull now to assist Titus post-WWE. And Titus has a great look. I love Dave's finally calling WWE out on their bull####. He realizes their creative is awful and they need them a helluva more than he needs them.
Titus stuff might get more interesting. His good real life friend Dave Batista (who was responsible for bringing Titus to WWE in 1st place) told him to request his release. Pretty sure Dave has enough pull now to assist Titus post-WWE. And Titus has a great look. I love Dave's finally calling WWE out on their bull####. He realizes their creative is awful and they need them a helluva more than he needs them.
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RBM
Footballguy
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Typo. 'Him' (Batista) and not 'them'
I'd heed Batista's advise if Titus. He can always make a bigger name outside of WWE......and then name his price to return. Not sure exactly why more guys don't go this route instead of spinning their wheel going nowhere for years in WWE killing their bodies, afraid of losing their jobs at every turn and not having the confidence in themselves. Such a mind#### they're working with in wrestling. They've got the available resources right in front of them with Rock & Batista.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
McMahon's already asked him to return twice recently for Mania this year & he's declined. Of course they need him to fill a 92k (?) building. They need anyone/everyone with star power. They can't get 10k for a Raw nowadays
Dave won't return because the creative absolutely sucked in his last return. (And they talked him into returning as a babyface) He's been very outspoken how bad creative sucks in WWE. And I love him for it.
Dave won't return because the creative absolutely sucked in his last return. (And they talked him into returning as a babyface) He's been very outspoken how bad creative sucks in WWE. And I love him for it.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Just look at the projected Mania card. It's absolutely drizzling ####s if Rock can't work. (And there's been no indication Cena can work)
HHH/Reigns
Lesnar/Wyatt
Taker/ Uhhh..... (BRAUN STROMAN!!) ####### Christ, I'm sure this one will be classic.
Ambrose/Jericho
Owens/Styles
HHH/Reigns
Lesnar/Wyatt
Taker/ Uhhh..... (BRAUN STROMAN!!) ####### Christ, I'm sure this one will be classic.
Ambrose/Jericho
Owens/Styles
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
I'm actually thinking Ambrose-Brock is looking great. Ambrose making Brock interesting again.
RBM
Footballguy
McMahons are idiots. They think a lot of things that make no sense.McMahon's already asked him to return twice recently for Mania this year & he's declined. Of course they need him to fill a 92k (?) building. They need anyone/everyone with star power. They can't get 10k for a Raw nowadays
Dave won't return because the creative absolutely sucked in his last return. (And they talked him into returning as a babyface) He's been very outspoken how bad creative sucks in WWE. And I love him for it.
And aren't those tickets sold already? I don't see how anyone would be more excited because Dave Batista is involved.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Ambrose/Lesnar
Owens/Styles
That's two great matches.
Andre the Giant Battle Royale.....that's interesting.
Is Seth Rollins even remotely able to contribute to a Regins/HHH match? if so, that would be good.
If they're interested in retiring Kane and UT....as last stand against the Wyatts wouldn't be bad.
Banks v. Charlotte should be good.
WWE really needs to bolster their Tag Team division.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
HHH vs Roman Reigns
Brock Lesnar vs Dean Ambrose
the New Day vs Wyatt Family
the Undertaker vs Kevin Owens
IC title scramble: Jericho, Styles, Miz, ADR, Sheamus, Ziggler
Charlotte vs Sasha Banks
Andre the Giant battle royal
Kalisto vs Rusev
It takes New Day turning full face (they are basically there already) and Ambrose somehow dropping the title or being stripped due to not defending for 30 days.
I think the show pivots based on what they want to do with Taker and Lesnar. I really thought they'd tag in some kind of thing against the Wyatt Family, but WWE needs them in separate matches with all of the injuries. I think Taker's opponent will be a surprise...Owens is my pick. I think Jericho would be interesting. I even think Sheamus is an interesting match. Lesnar vs Wyatt is the chalk, but I think they've found something that really clicks with Ambrose.
Brock Lesnar vs Dean Ambrose
the New Day vs Wyatt Family
the Undertaker vs Kevin Owens
IC title scramble: Jericho, Styles, Miz, ADR, Sheamus, Ziggler
Charlotte vs Sasha Banks
Andre the Giant battle royal
Kalisto vs Rusev
It takes New Day turning full face (they are basically there already) and Ambrose somehow dropping the title or being stripped due to not defending for 30 days.
I think the show pivots based on what they want to do with Taker and Lesnar. I really thought they'd tag in some kind of thing against the Wyatt Family, but WWE needs them in separate matches with all of the injuries. I think Taker's opponent will be a surprise...Owens is my pick. I think Jericho would be interesting. I even think Sheamus is an interesting match. Lesnar vs Wyatt is the chalk, but I think they've found something that really clicks with Ambrose.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Just passing along what I saw; it's worth exactly
less than you paid for it. To your bigger point, you are correct. There are enough options out there for a guy like Titus - ROH/Indies/NJPW, acting, whatever. As much as Vince has asked guys back, it's not like anyone ever permanently burns bridges. Titus walks in, asks for his release, goes elsewhere for a while, sees what wrestling is like other places, and enjoys himself and doesn't get beat up as much. Plus, like you said, he can call his shot if/when Vince comes calling again.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
I know. I just wanted to rant on the guy. There's dorks that watch wrestling. Then there's that guy whose daily lives revolve around it, kissing WWE's ### at every turn, in a desperate attempt to get employment with them. LeBar's in his mid 30s. Time to move on to another dream guy.As far as Titus, I meant more in the acting world with his connection with Batista. I don't see Titus improving his stock in NJPW/ROH/etc.... They are all minor leagues to Vince.
RBM
Footballguy
I don't care how you feel about him, but after the last two years of putting over HOFers, Bray deserves to go over Taker clean at WM this year. Neither has anything interesting going on and it's time for UT to give back. He can even give a nod at the end of the match to Bray, so as to say it's your time now kid.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
lardonastick
Footballguy
Bluetista was awesome. His initial booking and lack of ring conditioning nearly sunk him though.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
Straight Shoot was entirely devoted to Daniel Bryan this week. It meanders a little with Aubrey having Google hangout issues, but there is some really good discussion about wrestling injuries. I have really started to struggle with this myself...I stopped watching the NFL two seasons ago because of the brain injuries (and other factors like Greg Hardy, public stadium financing, etc.), and it's becoming harder to justify my wrestling fandom.
Have any of you struggled with the knowledge that wrestling really messes a lot of these guys up? I've talked myself into believing that WWE has taken necessary steps to protect their guys...no chair shots to the head, no pile drivers, etc., but the grind on these guys is still really rough.
Straight Shoot: February 11, 2016 (Daniel Bryan Appreciation Episode) - https://youtu.be/7rF4meyHaRg
Have any of you struggled with the knowledge that wrestling really messes a lot of these guys up? I've talked myself into believing that WWE has taken necessary steps to protect their guys...no chair shots to the head, no pile drivers, etc., but the grind on these guys is still really rough.
Straight Shoot: February 11, 2016 (Daniel Bryan Appreciation Episode) - https://youtu.be/7rF4meyHaRg
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Not trying to be blunt as it should be a concern to a degree....but A) they aren't forced to do it and B) most blue collar jobs grind men down if they're in them for any extended period of time.... and that's without the money or the glory. Ask a 20+ year laborer if they'd trade their careers with a Daniel Bryan or even marginal NFL veteran....and I'd imagine they would; pitfalls and all.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Like you, I pretty much gave up on the NFL (probably 4 years ago). I think WWE, more so than other promotions, is susceptible to these kind of things due to the rigorous travel and match schedule. They're still susceptible to the episodes of pain killers and other drugs, but their Wellness Policy has seemed to help. It's not where fans would probably want it to be, but the industry is in better shape in this regard than even 10 years ago.
What's worked to the WWE's benefit is that the Benoit episode occurred before the issue of concussions became a mainstream issue. I would also add that social media wasn't as wide-spread then, either. One could argue that WWE cares more about concussions than the NFL does (and God forbid the NFL have a Chris Benoit-type episode; the poopstorm would last until the Second Coming).
On the whole, I see progress on this front from wrestling which is good enough for me. As long as the NFL continues to deny things like CTE, I'm ignoring their product for the most part.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Nobody asked the men in my shop to work as linemen, but you get past a certain age, and the aches, pains and injuries start to pile up. My dad was a lineman for 32 years and today at the age of 75 he can barely walk with pain in his hips, knees and legs from climbing poles. Guys in my office here have the same issues; your body just can't take that kind of pounding. And these are guys who work 16 hours shifts for multiple days in a row on occasion. Even in an 8 hour day they can be working carrying tool belts, safety equipment and whatnot in weather you or I wouldn't go out in...like today (around 10 degrees). In many respects, this is not the same as working a 15 minute match.
To say they would trade their careers for those of an NFL player or WWE wrestler may not necessarily be true.
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Walter34
Footballguy
What about this scenario
Bray interfere's at fast lane causing Lesnar to lose
Roman goes bad or heat created between him and dean
For wrestle mania
Semi #1
Bray vs Brock
Semi #2
Roman vs dean
Final
Dean vs Brock
Title match
HHH vs dean
It fills a crappy card with a lot of matches and intrigue.
Bray interfere's at fast lane causing Lesnar to lose
Roman goes bad or heat created between him and dean
For wrestle mania
Semi #1
Bray vs Brock
Semi #2
Roman vs dean
Final
Dean vs Brock
Title match
HHH vs dean
It fills a crappy card with a lot of matches and intrigue.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Well not to split hairs, but the notion of these guys dying young has been with us for at least 25 years. Recreational drugs, pain pills, roids, road life, bumps , maybe CTE, who knows but there's a definite long term mortality here.Tom Servo said:
The wwe didn't really have a legend to go to for the rumble this year on a flat card in need of a lift.
So the new concussion stuff is troubling but I don't think any promotion put anyone at risk intentionally. This CTE research is on the cutting edge and they are being proactive. If we knew then, as they say.
The business shouid look very different going forward. We are a long way from an arm drag being a high spot and it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle but I'm always taken by a quote I think from Jim cornette, paraphrased
"No one used to get hurt working night after night and everyone believed, and now these guys kill each other with chairs and get hurt every week and no one thinks it's real".
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
The NFL did have kind of a Benoit incident with Jovan Belcher in KC a few years ago. And he was shown to have Signs of CTE.Tom Servo said:
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11612386/jovan-belcher-brain-showed-signs-cte-doctor-says-report
Agree that it would be a much larger story now. Even 2012 the concussion issue wasn't quite fully formed yet.
