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And the backstage drama has started

“Talent were pulled aside before the WarGames match and told that CM Punk would be returning at the conclusion of the show. At least one talent claimed legitimately to be upset by the return of Punk, and both Drew McIntyre and Seth Rollins looked visibly angry.

The reactions were at least claimed to be genuine. Seth Rollins had to be restrained by Michael Cole, Corey Graves and others. Drew McIntyre was said to have been visibly upset backstage, leaving the venue.”

—per fightful select
 
Per Fightful:

As it pertains to the main event talent being upset, there are numerous talent on the roster in general upset, just as there are some excited, curious and about every emotion. Talent were pulled aside before the WarGames match and told that CM Punk would be returning at the conclusion of the show. At least one talent claimed legitimately to be upset by the return of Punk, and both Drew McIntyre and Seth Rollins looked visibly angry. We haven't confirmed whether or not those were actual reactions, but they were at least claimed to be, for obvious reasons. Seth Rollins had to be restrained by Michael Cole, Corey Graves and others. Drew McIntyre was said to have been visibly upset backstage, leaving the venue.
 
According to a source Drew hasn’t talked to WWE in months do to low balling him. Up until tonight it was said him and WWE were on good terms BUT THAT WAS BEFORE HE WAS TOLD PUNK WAS BACK.

Drew could be upset Punk was handed the bag or told by WWE he could have X offer abd he knows punk got way more then what he’s been offered as he wouldn’t resign if the case. Drew has had heat with punk in the past but he left the ring prior to punk coming out. From the way one of the camera crew guys on video I saw it looks like Drew was told to head backstage immediately.
 
Backstage in Gorilla position, Fightful reports Seth Rollins had to be ushered away by Triple H and Michael Cole, as he was not happy about Punk's appearance. Punk was said to have looked confused by it.

At least to people in the area, it was said to be an awkward scene.
 
WHEN YOU CAN EXPECT TO SEE CM PUNK NEXT, WHAT PROMOTION WAS GUNNING FOR HIM BEFORE WWE SIGNED HIM, DREW, SETH AND MORE PUNK NEWS & NOTES
By Mike Johnson on 2023-11-26 02:20:00
We are told by one WWE source that CM Punk is expected at Raw in Nashville this Monday.
Punk was not backstage during the Survivor Series PPV until shortly before he was to come out for his post-main event cameo. When Punk was brought into the building, the company secured an area for him and had everyone nearby move elsewhere in order to protect the surprise.

We are told that what Triple H said during the post-PPV media call was correct, that he and Nick Khan were the point people involved in bringing Punk back into the company and that literally no one else in the creative and production side of the company were made aware until during the PPV. We are told a small select group at that point were aware and that most talents were not made aware until moments before the bout, although it believed at least a few were clued in privately before that.

The WWE conversations, as PWInsider.com reported late last night, began less than a week ago. Until that point, Impact Wrestling had made a major money offer to Punk which we are told he was mulling over. In speaking to Impact sources after Punk's WWE return, we are told that Punk was "amazing" in his dealings with top Impact execs, including Scott D'Amore and Lou D'Angeli, during discussions. Impact sources felt they were very close to scoring Punk and at one point, hoped he would even be at Bound for Glory as part of the unveiling of the return of TNA, which did not happen. The conversations between the two sides continued after that PPV. In speaking to Impact sources, while the company had hoped Punk would come in there full-time, they realized the reality of the situation involving WWE and how much money could be made and were happy for Punk. We also heard from several Impact talents overnight who said they were appreciative of the time and advice Punk had spent with them at several tapings in Chicago when he visited.

At no point was CM Punk going back to AEW nor was he ever scheduled to be the reveal for The Devil the company keeps teasing in their MJF storylines.

For those who have asked this, it's entirely possible the Seth Rollins stuff was a work.

 
Very exciting moment for wrestling fans!! (except the crybabies on the internet who don't want to be entertained)

The Rollins stuff is obviously a work, and if it wasn't, his actions would have been extraordinarily unprofessional. In the one shot of Cole supposedly holding him back, you could tell Cole was barely touching him. Obvious work is a work.

WWE is run by adults, not children (see: AEW), so I think Punk will be on his best behavior and Triple H will manage the situation well.

It's clobberin' time, indeed!
 
Backstage in Gorilla position, Fightful reports Seth Rollins had to be ushered away by Triple H and Michael Cole, as he was not happy about Punk's appearance. Punk was said to have looked confused by it.

At least to people in the area, it was said to be an awkward scene.
Ah, it's good to see that they are still able to work the marks even in this day and age. Gee, wonder who will be the first guy to wrestle Punk?
 
Dave Meltzer says Punk has signed a "multi-year" contract with WWE. The deal came together about 10 days ago. Dave thought it was ridiculous when HHH said the TKO execs found out watching the PPV, but then he asked around and was told the same thing.

Dave says he wouldn't be surprised if some in TKO knew, but he was told the creative side is in WWE's hands, that's not their gig. It's their gig to make that sweet sweet money.

Dave says in the end, WWE bringing back Punk was a Nick Khan call, although HHH had "A lot to do with it" as well. Vince McMahon had nothing to do with it.

Dave reiterates what he's been saying recently before last night, which is WWE was a no on Punk unless they felt the public demand for him was there, but if it was there, they're not going to be an organization that fights the fans. Wow, the promotional tables have flipped.

Dave says WWE doesn't want anyone leaving. A lot of people are being offered "very big money" to stay, more than they're currently making. It's different than people thought it'd be with Endeavor at the helm.

Dave notes that in the UFC, the fighters get paid about 17% of the revenue. Dave says in WWE it's way less than 17%. Dave estimates that if WWE talent got 17%, the average mid-level talent there would be making 2.5 million a year, and that isn't the case currently.

-WOR Dave Meltzer
 
On the Drew McIntyre thing, Dave Meltzer seems to think that was real, saying Drew was upset for some reason, but as the night went on he became less upset. Dave doesn't know the reason yet but people in the company thought it had to do with Punk, but Dave can't confirm that yet.

Dave says Drew's WWE deal is up around April, at Mania. Dave says 2024 is probably a great year to be Drew McIntyre, in terms of his contract coming up then.

-WOR Dave Meltzer
 
Backstage in Gorilla position, Fightful reports Seth Rollins had to be ushered away by Triple H and Michael Cole, as he was not happy about Punk's appearance. Punk was said to have looked confused by it.

At least to people in the area, it was said to be an awkward scene.
Ah, it's good to see that they are still able to work the marks even in this day and age. Gee, wonder who will be the first guy to wrestle Punk?
If it is SRS and fightful are having a bad week. Sean pinned the cm punk isn’t coming back per WWE sources tweet before the event last night and his site has feveriouly posting punk no chance he was coming back. If the Seth thing is a work that site is gonna receive a lot of ****. Sean was also posting stuff like 20-30 mins after the fact it was reported by other sites and a few seemed a copy and paste.
 
Very exciting moment for wrestling fans!! (except the crybabies on the internet who don't want to be entertained)

The Rollins stuff is obviously a work, and if it wasn't, his actions would have been extraordinarily unprofessional. In the one shot of Cole supposedly holding him back, you could tell Cole was barely touching him. Obvious work is a work.

WWE is run by adults, not children (see: AEW), so I think Punk will be on his best behavior and Triple H will manage the situation well.

It's clobberin' time, indeed!
I doubt it. The proof is in his actions, not his words.
 
And let's not forget about the return of Randy Orton, which has gotten overshadowed by the Punk return. And it shouldn't be, as Orton ought to be super high on every fan's list of the wrestling GOATs.
 
Randy Orton stayed 5-10 mins after all the hoobla stopped and sign and shook and high five fans at Ring side. Taking a moment to thank the fans and all. Absolute amazing performer whose return got overshadowed. Randy motioned to the fans 10 more yrs. If he stays in shape and not more injuries he could do it.
 
Punk back to the WWE is good for wrestling. It has people talking. Hell, look at this thread, most replies in forever. Even common fans I know were talking about it.

If I'm Triple H, who knows how to deal with petulant children (see early Shawn Michaels), once the apologies were over and hatchets buried in the back of Colt Cabana, my first question would have been "how do you want this to finish?" Give Punk the creativity to write his ending, get his Cody List(tm) of WWE stars he wants to work, and book backwards.

And yes, the Seth Rollins "anger" is 100% a work. He knows how to play the game (pun intended), and wants to get in line early to do business, before Punk gets hurt again more than likely.
 
People are definitely turning on and not interested in Punk

Tiny has now lost his top 2 stars with Cody and Punk. Who is next? 🤔

Would love to see Jericho finish with one last run with the E, but his contract still has 2 years left. The Elite aren't going anywhere anytime soon, as much as I think they would succeed in New York, at least for a bit. Brian Danielson and Mox are most likely going to end up in indie bingo halls before going back. MJF supposedly just signed for multi years, so that core seems set to stay.

Maybe Wardlow, Jack Perry or Darby. But do any of those really move the needle? Ricky Starks would be my pick. Or Jamie Hayter.
 
Punk back to the WWE is good for wrestling. It has people talking. Hell, look at this thread, most replies in forever. Even common fans I know were talking about it.

If I'm Triple H, who knows how to deal with petulant children (see early Shawn Michaels), once the apologies were over and hatchets buried in the back of Colt Cabana, my first question would have been "how do you want this to finish?" Give Punk the creativity to write his ending, get his Cody List(tm) of WWE stars he wants to work, and book backwards.

And yes, the Seth Rollins "anger" is 100% a work. He knows how to play the game (pun intended), and wants to get in line early to do business, before Punk gets hurt again more than likely.

I think most can agree Punk isn’t in WWE without going to AEW. Punk can still draw sure but is the diva act worth it? We all know punk went to WWE to stick it to AEWabd TK but don’t think that was also not in hunters head. I think punk plays nice for awhile till he doesn’t get his way then it’ll be the same crybaby act as before. He’s nowhere near as good in ring as he was especially his ROH days. He can still put up a good promo but his thick ego and stubbornness tend to get in his way.


Thera’s legit heat with Seth there work or not. Seth will be a pro about it but both have huge egos and stubborn. That’s a powder keg ready to blow and neither guy will be the first to apologize the other

So we’ll see how this plays out. I don’t think punk last a year in WWE before he causes issues again.
 
People are definitely turning on and not interested in Punk

Tiny has now lost his top 2 stars with Cody and Punk. Who is next? 🤔

Would love to see Jericho finish with one last run with the E, but his contract still has 2 years left. The Elite aren't going anywhere anytime soon, as much as I think they would succeed in New York, at least for a bit. Brian Danielson and Mox are most likely going to end up in indie bingo halls before going back. MJF supposedly just signed for multi years, so that core seems set to stay.

Maybe Wardlow, Jack Perry or Darby. But do any of those really move the needle? Ricky Starks would be my pick. Or Jamie Hayter.

Certain people just don’t work in WWE like Mox doesn’t work in WWE. MJF would be severely held back by the pg stuff and all. Jack might do well in WWE and there’s a few mid carders who would too.

It sounds like Danielson is retiring soon anyway. He’ll stay on with AEW as a producer and he already is a main producer on collision and wants to be home with his family more.

Mox would more likely do more NJPW instead of WWE.

Most think MJF already resigned as I doubt he’d be pushed like this if he wasn’t.

The Elite are AEW. They held talks with WWE and were respectful but that was before AEW became a reality.

Does swerve go back eventually? Maybe. Julia Hart and Sky Blue maybe eventually.

But honestly know what would interest me? WWE being much more opening to working partnerships with other promotions. Like sending people who don’t get TV time down to Mexico or having a promotion in Japan or something to send them two and talent exchanges. That’d be cool and open more doors in wrestling.

But Hunter is like Vince and would rather buy a promotion out instead of working with them.
 
Punk back to the WWE is good for wrestling. It has people talking. Hell, look at this thread, most replies in forever. Even common fans I know were talking about it.

If I'm Triple H, who knows how to deal with petulant children (see early Shawn Michaels), once the apologies were over and hatchets buried in the back of Colt Cabana, my first question would have been "how do you want this to finish?" Give Punk the creativity to write his ending, get his Cody List(tm) of WWE stars he wants to work, and book backwards.

And yes, the Seth Rollins "anger" is 100% a work. He knows how to play the game (pun intended), and wants to get in line early to do business, before Punk gets hurt again more than likely.

I think most can agree Punk isn’t in WWE without going to AEW. Punk can still draw sure but is the diva act worth it? We all know punk went to WWE to stick it to AEWabd TK but don’t think that was also not in hunters head. I think punk plays nice for awhile till he doesn’t get his way then it’ll be the same crybaby act as before. He’s nowhere near as good in ring as he was especially his ROH days. He can still put up a good promo but his thick ego and stubbornness tend to get in his way.


Thera’s legit heat with Seth there work or not. Seth will be a pro about it but both have huge egos and stubborn. That’s a powder keg ready to blow and neither guy will be the first to apologize the other

So we’ll see how this plays out. I don’t think punk last a year in WWE before he causes issues again.

Or..... they have already apologized and moved on
 
Punk back to the WWE is good for wrestling. It has people talking. Hell, look at this thread, most replies in forever. Even common fans I know were talking about it.

If I'm Triple H, who knows how to deal with petulant children (see early Shawn Michaels), once the apologies were over and hatchets buried in the back of Colt Cabana, my first question would have been "how do you want this to finish?" Give Punk the creativity to write his ending, get his Cody List(tm) of WWE stars he wants to work, and book backwards.

And yes, the Seth Rollins "anger" is 100% a work. He knows how to play the game (pun intended), and wants to get in line early to do business, before Punk gets hurt again more than likely.

I think most can agree Punk isn’t in WWE without going to AEW. Punk can still draw sure but is the diva act worth it? We all know punk went to WWE to stick it to AEWabd TK but don’t think that was also not in hunters head. I think punk plays nice for awhile till he doesn’t get his way then it’ll be the same crybaby act as before. He’s nowhere near as good in ring as he was especially his ROH days. He can still put up a good promo but his thick ego and stubbornness tend to get in his way.


Thera’s legit heat with Seth there work or not. Seth will be a pro about it but both have huge egos and stubborn. That’s a powder keg ready to blow and neither guy will be the first to apologize the other

So we’ll see how this plays out. I don’t think punk last a year in WWE before he causes issues again.

Or..... they have already apologized and moved on
That was an interview where the guy asked him about riddle. He did say he’d be willing to work with punk again but he also wouldn’t be the one begging the company to sign him either. He’s going to be a pro but he also doesn’t like the guy either. This is no different then mma guys who hate each other I agree to this because the right purse is too big but I hate this guy and one of us could wreck the fight not even happening and they are ok with that too.

Seth is a company man but also with an ego like punk and both have thin skin
 
People are definitely turning on and not interested in Punk

Tiny has now lost his top 2 stars with Cody and Punk. Who is next? 🤔

Would love to see Jericho finish with one last run with the E, but his contract still has 2 years left. The Elite aren't going anywhere anytime soon, as much as I think they would succeed in New York, at least for a bit. Brian Danielson and Mox are most likely going to end up in indie bingo halls before going back. MJF supposedly just signed for multi years, so that core seems set to stay.

Maybe Wardlow, Jack Perry or Darby. But do any of those really move the needle? Ricky Starks would be my pick. Or Jamie Hayter.
I know Darby is small, but the guy has charisma, connects with the crowd, can work and talk... I think he makes it at the E. Wardlow would have a chance due to his look, guy can't really talk though so he might get lost amongst the rest of the beef. Perry is JAG, don't see him making it there.
Starks talks well enough that he might have a chance even though he's small as **** too lol
 
Punk back to the WWE is good for wrestling. It has people talking. Hell, look at this thread, most replies in forever. Even common fans I know were talking about it.

If I'm Triple H, who knows how to deal with petulant children (see early Shawn Michaels), once the apologies were over and hatchets buried in the back of Colt Cabana, my first question would have been "how do you want this to finish?" Give Punk the creativity to write his ending, get his Cody List(tm) of WWE stars he wants to work, and book backwards.

And yes, the Seth Rollins "anger" is 100% a work. He knows how to play the game (pun intended), and wants to get in line early to do business, before Punk gets hurt again more than likely.

I think most can agree Punk isn’t in WWE without going to AEW. Punk can still draw sure but is the diva act worth it? We all know punk went to WWE to stick it to AEWabd TK but don’t think that was also not in hunters head. I think punk plays nice for awhile till he doesn’t get his way then it’ll be the same crybaby act as before. He’s nowhere near as good in ring as he was especially his ROH days. He can still put up a good promo but his thick ego and stubbornness tend to get in his way.


Thera’s legit heat with Seth there work or not. Seth will be a pro about it but both have huge egos and stubborn. That’s a powder keg ready to blow and neither guy will be the first to apologize the other

So we’ll see how this plays out. I don’t think punk last a year in WWE before he causes issues again.

Or..... they have already apologized and moved on
That was an interview where the guy asked him about riddle. He did say he’d be willing to work with punk again but he also wouldn’t be the one begging the company to sign him either. He’s going to be a pro but he also doesn’t like the guy either.
:shrug: it's a business, you don't have to like everyone you work with. Something the kids over at AEW might do well to learn.
 
Tammy Sytch aka Sunny has been sentenced to 10.6 years in prison for driving with a suspended license causing death, and then 7 years for DUI manslaughter to be served following that.

She will then have eight years of probation.

That is 17.5 total years in prison.
 
People are definitely turning on and not interested in Punk

Tiny has now lost his top 2 stars with Cody and Punk. Who is next? 🤔

Would love to see Jericho finish with one last run with the E, but his contract still has 2 years left. The Elite aren't going anywhere anytime soon, as much as I think they would succeed in New York, at least for a bit. Brian Danielson and Mox are most likely going to end up in indie bingo halls before going back. MJF supposedly just signed for multi years, so that core seems set to stay.

Maybe Wardlow, Jack Perry or Darby. But do any of those really move the needle? Ricky Starks would be my pick. Or Jamie Hayter.
I know Darby is small, but the guy has charisma, connects with the crowd, can work and talk... I think he makes it at the E. Wardlow would have a chance due to his look, guy can't really talk though so he might get lost amongst the rest of the beef. Perry is JAG, don't see him making it there.
Starks talks well enough that he might have a chance even though he's small as **** too lol
Yeah, went down the whole roster, and was basically "too small, too small, can't talk, too small"
 
9 years ago today, CM Punk and Colt Cabana filmed their podcast together, of which the ramifications have been felt to this very day. It seems apropos that the anniversary lies on the same day that Punk will return to Monday Night RAW.

We have come full circle on the Cycle of Punk.
 
Taylor Swift, Wembly Stadium and AEW worked together to ensure Taylor Swift could have another show at Wembly during August 2024, reports the Daily Mail.

'So basically, they came to us and said it would help us out a lot if you could load in your show faster because we'd have the opportunity to have more Taylor Swift shows, and could you guys do that? And we said, well, it'll be costly and very challenging, and we really would like to help you out. And so yeah, I will.

'And I think there's so many great Taylor Swift fans and Wembley's been great to us. We have a great relationship and it's going to cost more, and we will double our efforts and hopefully score points with a lot of great fans and a great community of Taylor Swift fans.

So, if we can make more Taylor Swift shows in London possible by speeding up our load-in and I pay a little bit extra to do so, but we still have a great event at Wembley. Everybody wins. And I'm not going to get crushed or killed in the process, so I'm fine with that. And I think a little bit of extra money and a little bit of extra human power getting the show put on, it's worth it.'

Khan also joked that he was hoping the favor would bring AEW 'good karma' - making reference to Swift's hit song.

He added: 'From a logistical standpoint, that'll be a little bit of a different challenge. We won't have as much time to set up as we did, but I'm also happy to accommodate that because I think that's going to be good karma for us.

'And then in addition to that, I believe that, yeah, I do think it's going to be good karma. And I also think really to bring in a star like Will Ospreay ahead of tickets going on sale in London and to be able to bring one of England's greatest wrestlers of my lifetime, and somebody that the British wrestling fans are going to be so happy to see and fans all over the world want to come see.

'I think that's really big, and we just have so many exciting things happening.'
 
I know people will tag on Khan about this and are interested in his comments but it seems legally he can’t. NDAs or something had to be sign for him not too and Tony has high class lawyers who may have told not to just to keep away from possible legal issues. This is one time you don’t want Tony talking if you like AEW though.

“Can't talk about that, nor do I think it's the time or the place. I appreciate you asking and I'm very excited about AEW All In at Wembley Stadium. Not to dodge or duck your question, it's just something I can't legally talk about.”

- Tony Khan when asked about CM Punk joining WWE (BBC WM)
 
Punk back to the WWE is good for wrestling. It has people talking. Hell, look at this thread, most replies in forever. Even common fans I know were talking about it.

If I'm Triple H, who knows how to deal with petulant children (see early Shawn Michaels), once the apologies were over and hatchets buried in the back of Colt Cabana, my first question would have been "how do you want this to finish?" Give Punk the creativity to write his ending, get his Cody List(tm) of WWE stars he wants to work, and book backwards.

And yes, the Seth Rollins "anger" is 100% a work. He knows how to play the game (pun intended), and wants to get in line early to do business, before Punk gets hurt again more than likely.

I think most can agree Punk isn’t in WWE without going to AEW. Punk can still draw sure but is the diva act worth it? We all know punk went to WWE to stick it to AEWabd TK but don’t think that was also not in hunters head. I think punk plays nice for awhile till he doesn’t get his way then it’ll be the same crybaby act as before. He’s nowhere near as good in ring as he was especially his ROH days. He can still put up a good promo but his thick ego and stubbornness tend to get in his way.


Thera’s legit heat with Seth there work or not. Seth will be a pro about it but both have huge egos and stubborn. That’s a powder keg ready to blow and neither guy will be the first to apologize the other

So we’ll see how this plays out. I don’t think punk last a year in WWE before he causes issues again.

Or..... they have already apologized and moved on
That was an interview where the guy asked him about riddle. He did say he’d be willing to work with punk again but he also wouldn’t be the one begging the company to sign him either. He’s going to be a pro but he also doesn’t like the guy either.
:shrug: it's a business, you don't have to like everyone you work with. Something the kids over at AEW might do well to learn.
Yep. You don't have to like everyone you work with; that is life and part of being an adult. I suspect as well that Punk will get a prime spot at WM40 (I could see a Rollins/Punk world title match being the main event of the first night), which I am sure will upset some of the talent who will feel that Punk didn't earn it, but the company once gave Lawrence Taylor a main event spot in Wrestlemania and gave The Rock, who wasn't a full timer anymore, back-to-back main events at 'Mania. It happens.
 
Punk back to the WWE is good for wrestling. It has people talking. Hell, look at this thread, most replies in forever. Even common fans I know were talking about it.

If I'm Triple H, who knows how to deal with petulant children (see early Shawn Michaels), once the apologies were over and hatchets buried in the back of Colt Cabana, my first question would have been "how do you want this to finish?" Give Punk the creativity to write his ending, get his Cody List(tm) of WWE stars he wants to work, and book backwards.

And yes, the Seth Rollins "anger" is 100% a work. He knows how to play the game (pun intended), and wants to get in line early to do business, before Punk gets hurt again more than likely.

I think most can agree Punk isn’t in WWE without going to AEW. Punk can still draw sure but is the diva act worth it? We all know punk went to WWE to stick it to AEWabd TK but don’t think that was also not in hunters head. I think punk plays nice for awhile till he doesn’t get his way then it’ll be the same crybaby act as before. He’s nowhere near as good in ring as he was especially his ROH days. He can still put up a good promo but his thick ego and stubbornness tend to get in his way.


Thera’s legit heat with Seth there work or not. Seth will be a pro about it but both have huge egos and stubborn. That’s a powder keg ready to blow and neither guy will be the first to apologize the other

So we’ll see how this plays out. I don’t think punk last a year in WWE before he causes issues again.

Or..... they have already apologized and moved on
That was an interview where the guy asked him about riddle. He did say he’d be willing to work with punk again but he also wouldn’t be the one begging the company to sign him either. He’s going to be a pro but he also doesn’t like the guy either.
:shrug: it's a business, you don't have to like everyone you work with. Something the kids over at AEW might do well to learn.
Yep. You don't have to like everyone you work with; that is life and part of being an adult. I suspect as well that Punk will get a prime spot at WM40 (I could see a Rollins/Punk world title match being the main event of the first night), which I am sure will upset some of the talent who will feel that Punk didn't earn it, but the company once gave Lawrence Taylor a main event spot in Wrestlemania and gave The Rock, who wasn't a full timer anymore, back-to-back main events at 'Mania. It happens.
It’d be absolutely ironic since punk getting that spot undeserved is exactly one of the things he was upset about happening. Boy if that happens talk about full circle
 

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