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CM Punk was a work, but a good one. It'll bring me back next week. Wonder how convincingly they're prepared to sell it however.
Punk and Miz are the best things going on Raw right now. It's a shame they're cutting out Miz's legs from under him right now, but I guess they have to push the new bland good guy and he's the sacrificial lamb. :(Really good show last night. Punk is awesome.
This bugs me too. Everything I've read is that Vince doesn't think anyone cares about tag teams. I STRONGLY disagree, but than again, I grew up watching the Midnight Express, Road Warriors, Steiners, R&R, Tully and Arn, Ole and Arn, the Koloffs, Fantastics, Doom etc. Maybe because the tag thing seemed more NWA-ish? Yeah, the WWF had the Rockers, Harts, Bulldogs, Demolition, and the Dream Team, but I'd take the NWA teams over them in a heart beat.Anyone know why they don't do anything cool with tag teams anymore?
So any idea where this work leads? If Punk leaves the company, no way in hell Vince lets him leave with the belt....unless Vince is in with another company?I haven't watched RAW in years (lack of cable and addition of kids will do that), but keep tabs on things and this has me the most curious as I have been in a really long time.CM Punk was a work, but a good one. It'll bring me back next week. Wonder how convincingly they're prepared to sell it however.
That would be the extreme, awesome extension of this. If it was really a shoot, you'd have to think he'd name drop TNA. Vince has had a history of propping up smaller organizations, ECW and CWA for example. I'm wondering what the endgame will be myself, you can go a few different ways here. CM Punk winning and showing up in ROH would be interesting, but obviously a work. What would be more interesting is, if they wiped Punk clean from their website and announced a new main event and just let it happen. Then in a month, do an angle where Punk rushes the ring or something or maybe crashes summerslam and then figure out a way to reintegrate him.So any idea where this work leads? If Punk leaves the company, no way in hell Vince lets him leave with the belt....unless Vince is in with another company?I haven't watched RAW in years (lack of cable and addition of kids will do that), but keep tabs on things and this has me the most curious as I have been in a really long time.CM Punk was a work, but a good one. It'll bring me back next week. Wonder how convincingly they're prepared to sell it however.
My first thought was ROH as well, but that company seems to place all of it's creed on being the anti-WWE, and any work with Vince would be risky.That would be the extreme, awesome extension of this. If it was really a shoot, you'd have to think he'd name drop TNA. Vince has had a history of propping up smaller organizations, ECW and CWA for example. I'm wondering what the endgame will be myself, you can go a few different ways here. CM Punk winning and showing up in ROH would be interesting, but obviously a work. What would be more interesting is, if they wiped Punk clean from their website and announced a new main event and just let it happen. Then in a month, do an angle where Punk rushes the ring or something or maybe crashes summerslam and then figure out a way to reintegrate him.So any idea where this work leads? If Punk leaves the company, no way in hell Vince lets him leave with the belt....unless Vince is in with another company?I haven't watched RAW in years (lack of cable and addition of kids will do that), but keep tabs on things and this has me the most curious as I have been in a really long time.CM Punk was a work, but a good one. It'll bring me back next week. Wonder how convincingly they're prepared to sell it however.
I've heard they toned it down a bit, but for a while their moves were just too ridiculous. The matches would be filled with 50 double team moves that should be finishers but were merely shrugged off.Ring of Honor is the home of tag team wrestling now. Best tag division on the planet BAR NONE.
I saw the four-way at Sunday's Best in the World PPV between Haas/Benjamin, Kings of Wrestling, All Night Express, and the Briscoes and it was very well done, IMO. Yeah, they used double team moves (especially the Kings, but that's been their trademark), but I thought it was pretty well done.I've heard they toned it down a bit, but for a while their moves were just too ridiculous. The matches would be filled with 50 double team moves that should be finishers but were merely shrugged off.Ring of Honor is the home of tag team wrestling now. Best tag division on the planet BAR NONE.
Yeah, I don't know, at the time they never acknowledged the ECW financing. But short of money, the visibility they'd get out of Punk doing something like that would be huge but not necessarily a sell out. Between Punk and R Truth, should be a good summer if they don't mess it up, hopefully who ever is booking right now gets to keep the stick for a while, they're doing great work between those two.My first thought was ROH as well, but that company seems to place all of it's creed on being the anti-WWE, and any work with Vince would be risky.That would be the extreme, awesome extension of this. If it was really a shoot, you'd have to think he'd name drop TNA. Vince has had a history of propping up smaller organizations, ECW and CWA for example. I'm wondering what the endgame will be myself, you can go a few different ways here. CM Punk winning and showing up in ROH would be interesting, but obviously a work. What would be more interesting is, if they wiped Punk clean from their website and announced a new main event and just let it happen. Then in a month, do an angle where Punk rushes the ring or something or maybe crashes summerslam and then figure out a way to reintegrate him.So any idea where this work leads? If Punk leaves the company, no way in hell Vince lets him leave with the belt....unless Vince is in with another company?I haven't watched RAW in years (lack of cable and addition of kids will do that), but keep tabs on things and this has me the most curious as I have been in a really long time.CM Punk was a work, but a good one. It'll bring me back next week. Wonder how convincingly they're prepared to sell it however.
Work or shoot? I really don't care. THAT WAS AWESOME!!!CM Punk wins the internet for today.CM punks promo best I've seen in a while.
Most likely they're recreating the "Summer of Punk" angle from ROH. He's not going anywhere.So any idea where this work leads? If Punk leaves the company, no way in hell Vince lets him leave with the belt....unless Vince is in with another company?I haven't watched RAW in years (lack of cable and addition of kids will do that), but keep tabs on things and this has me the most curious as I have been in a really long time.CM Punk was a work, but a good one. It'll bring me back next week. Wonder how convincingly they're prepared to sell it however.
True. Plus many times the tag-team is greater than the sum of it's parts. We all loved the Road Warriors, and I used to love the Steiner Brothers. Two of the best tag teams ever, IMO, but I just never got as into Hawk, Animal, Rick, or Scott in singles action. Dynamite Kid's single matches against Tiger Mask, though, are some of the best I've ever seen.TAg teams can do so many cool finishing moves together. And the story lines can be every bit as good. People also forget that a lot of the best individual guys came from tag teams (michaels, hart, bulldog).
That's the worst thing Austin ever contributed. I still remember people saying "What!" between verses of the Star Spangled Banner during the Smackdown right after 9/11.I hate the #######s that chant "What" during promos.
Most likely they're recreating the "Summer of Punk" angle from ROH. He's not going anywhere.So any idea where this work leads? If Punk leaves the company, no way in hell Vince lets him leave with the belt....unless Vince is in with another company?I haven't watched RAW in years (lack of cable and addition of kids will do that), but keep tabs on things and this has me the most curious as I have been in a really long time.CM Punk was a work, but a good one. It'll bring me back next week. Wonder how convincingly they're prepared to sell it however.
That was a good article. I don't know near enough about ROH.Most likely they're recreating the "Summer of Punk" angle from ROH. He's not going anywhere.So any idea where this work leads? If Punk leaves the company, no way in hell Vince lets him leave with the belt....unless Vince is in with another company?I haven't watched RAW in years (lack of cable and addition of kids will do that), but keep tabs on things and this has me the most curious as I have been in a really long time.CM Punk was a work, but a good one. It'll bring me back next week. Wonder how convincingly they're prepared to sell it however.
I loved the "Crockett Cup" tournament matches.This bugs me too. Everything I've read is that Vince doesn't think anyone cares about tag teams. I STRONGLY disagree, but than again, I grew up watching the Midnight Express, Road Warriors, Steiners, R&R, Tully and Arn, Ole and Arn, the Koloffs, Fantastics, Doom etc. Maybe because the tag thing seemed more NWA-ish? Yeah, the WWF had the Rockers, Harts, Bulldogs, Demolition, and the Dream Team, but I'd take the NWA teams over them in a heart beat.Anyone know why they don't do anything cool with tag teams anymore?
Have fun. Almost just bought a ticket, but I really don't even like anyone outside of Cody Rhodes on Smackdown.I guess watching Sin Cara botch move after move could be fun though.Going to Smackdown at USAirways Center tonight. I'm hardly excited about it since the star power on SD is so miniscule outside of Orton, but my kid hardly slept last night with anticipation. For that I'm happy. I'll check back in with spoilers.
Much better recaps out there than mine, but here goes...Tickets said show started at 6:30, but took about 1.5 hours to get through NXT and Superstars which I suppose are on the innernet now. I was fine with it. I like seeing tomorrow's talent (and Yoshi) today, but my kid was getting antsy.Click here if you want to know what happens for Friday.Have fun. Almost just bought a ticket, but I really don't even like anyone outside of Cody Rhodes on Smackdown.I guess watching Sin Cara botch move after move could be fun though.Going to Smackdown at USAirways Center tonight. I'm hardly excited about it since the star power on SD is so miniscule outside of Orton, but my kid hardly slept last night with anticipation. For that I'm happy. I'll check back in with spoilers.
At SD last night, they played a segment called "Raw Rebound" on the tron. It featured a chopped up edit of Punk's promo. I couldn't tell if the crowd was majority cheering or booing, but it definitely caused a large reaction. Pretty awesome to hear the noise.Actually, I think Punk is going to debut in ROH in July.
Both. It would of been "real" if he mentioned TNA wrestling.Work? Shoot?Tia.
Work= fakeShoot= realI'm asking what the two terms mean.
Nice. That shoot style mic work is so much better than the yelling cliches mic work.I haven't watched Pro Wrestling in years. Should I consider CM Punk for my Gold Standard of Pro Wrestling mic work?Not that it's news, but
Work= fakeShoot= realI'm asking what the two terms mean.
This is correct. Promoters got tired of paying mega $$$ for a top tier tag team match when they have have two mid card shlubs wrestle a match for a 1/4 of that.'Rayderr said:Finances play a part in the demise of tag teams. Promoter essentially pays twice as much for a match, plus there's the problem of what to do with a tag team when one person is no longer available (i.e. departure from league like the Can-Am connection or injury) Some tag team wrestlers have excelled solo, but many more have failed.
The Road Warriors were SOOOOO the sh##, easily the greatest of all time. Steiners could have surpassed them if they were not split up. Steiners were so ahead of the other teams of that time. The only one of those four that was really relevant in singles was Big Poppa Pump. Hawk was decent but nothing special.'Jewell said:True. Plus many times the tag-team is greater than the sum of it's parts. We all loved the Road Warriors, and I used to love the Steiner Brothers. Two of the best tag teams ever, IMO, but I just never got as into Hawk, Animal, Rick, or Scott in singles action. Dynamite Kid's single matches against Tiger Mask, though, are some of the best I've ever seen.'Abraham said:TAg teams can do so many cool finishing moves together. And the story lines can be every bit as good. People also forget that a lot of the best individual guys came from tag teams (michaels, hart, bulldog).
Everyone in WWE is under contract. ROH probably pays per appearance and they use more tag teams, it seems.This is correct. Promoters got tired of paying mega $$$ for a top tier tag team match when they have have two mid card shlubs wrestle a match for a 1/4 of that.'Rayderr said:Finances play a part in the demise of tag teams. Promoter essentially pays twice as much for a match, plus there's the problem of what to do with a tag team when one person is no longer available (i.e. departure from league like the Can-Am connection or injury) Some tag team wrestlers have excelled solo, but many more have failed.
Word, brother. Crockett Cup matches were epic........... Good times! I really miss the old Great American Bash too......'Charlie Frown said:I loved the "Crockett Cup" tournament matches.'Deranged Hermit said:This bugs me too. Everything I've read is that Vince doesn't think anyone cares about tag teams. I STRONGLY disagree, but than again, I grew up watching the Midnight Express, Road Warriors, Steiners, R&R, Tully and Arn, Ole and Arn, the Koloffs, Fantastics, Doom etc. Maybe because the tag thing seemed more NWA-ish? Yeah, the WWF had the Rockers, Harts, Bulldogs, Demolition, and the Dream Team, but I'd take the NWA teams over them in a heart beat.'Abraham said:Anyone know why they don't do anything cool with tag teams anymore?
Agreed, Miz is good. Not great, but getting there.Yes. Its early yet, but The Miz os also really good.
Good point, I just got my information from one of the videos I watched recently, not sure which one it was those. Maybe I am thinking how it used to be.......Everyone in WWE is under contract. ROH probably pays per appearance and they use more tag teams, it seems.This is correct. Promoters got tired of paying mega $$$ for a top tier tag team match when they have have two mid card shlubs wrestle a match for a 1/4 of that.'Rayderr said:Finances play a part in the demise of tag teams. Promoter essentially pays twice as much for a match, plus there's the problem of what to do with a tag team when one person is no longer available (i.e. departure from league like the Can-Am connection or injury) Some tag team wrestlers have excelled solo, but many more have failed.
Yes, it was a great promo. VERY well delivered.CM punks promo best I've seen in a while.
Plus, back then both the WWF and NWA had enough top/upper mid tier singles talent to where they didn't need to split up the handful of great tag teams because they needed more top singles wrestlers. The depth back then was ridiculous.This is correct. Promoters got tired of paying mega $$$ for a top tier tag team match when they have have two mid card shlubs wrestle a match for a 1/4 of that.'Rayderr said:Finances play a part in the demise of tag teams. Promoter essentially pays twice as much for a match, plus there's the problem of what to do with a tag team when one person is no longer available (i.e. departure from league like the Can-Am connection or injury) Some tag team wrestlers have excelled solo, but many more have failed.
But how is the contract written? It's usually $X for Y matches.Everyone in WWE is under contract. ROH probably pays per appearance and they use more tag teams, it seems.This is correct. Promoters got tired of paying mega $$$ for a top tier tag team match when they have have two mid card shlubs wrestle a match for a 1/4 of that.'Rayderr said:Finances play a part in the demise of tag teams. Promoter essentially pays twice as much for a match, plus there's the problem of what to do with a tag team when one person is no longer available (i.e. departure from league like the Can-Am connection or injury) Some tag team wrestlers have excelled solo, but many more have failed.