***Official Pro Wrestling Thread*** (6 Viewers)

[Tom Servo]

Ricky Steamboat beats Matt Borne so bad he turns him into Doink.

 

[OC Zed]

I think I mentioned this earlier in this thread somewhere, but the first great WM match in my memory didn't happen until Savage/Steamboat at WM 3. I recall the British Bulldogs/Valentine-Beefcake being good, but that may have been because the Chicago crowd was so hot (they've always been the best crowd in the business) and the ring being particularly bouncy.

Also, FWIW, I rewatched Savage/Steamboat recently. I actually have greater appreciation for the match now when looking at all of the subtleties both guys put into it.

 

[travdogg]

So Brock was at RAW this week, but did not appear. Tons of speculation on what happened, because no one just flies a private jet somewhere and not make an appearance. Talk of it being anything from dispute over Merch sales to a possible Roman Reigns PED drug test failure.

Reigns Wellness failure rumor is completely false.

Meltzer says he left angry over business dealings with Vince. His contract is up soon and the word is he's getting the UFC itch again.

The Grantland/Cheap Heat podcast threw out the dream scenario last night: Lesnar having a temper tantrum, vacating the title and skipping Wrestlemania thereby setting up a WM IV-style tournament for the belt which would be far more compelling than the Lesnar/Reigns matchup we are currently destined for. The WWE would also avoid having to give Lesnar his last big payday too.

Of course, there is 0% chance of this happening.

Someone on Sirius fantasy this morning said that if Lesnar is leaving anyway that they were hoping for a Taker/Lesnar match at WM where Taker wins, Lesnar leaves and then Monday Taker retires leaving the belt vacant. I really like that idea... too bad its not happening

I'd love for an Undertaker/Lesnar match next year allowing Undertaker to retire in Texas and avenge his only WM loss. Lesnar jobbing for Undertaker certainly wouldn't be any hit on him at that point.

I think that would be awful. I mean, you'd really want to see another Taker/Lesnar match? Other than the ending being surprising, the rest of the match last year was sleep inducing, and that certainly wasn't because of Lesnar.

 

[OC Zed]

So Brock was at RAW this week, but did not appear. Tons of speculation on what happened, because no one just flies a private jet somewhere and not make an appearance. Talk of it being anything from dispute over Merch sales to a possible Roman Reigns PED drug test failure.

Reigns Wellness failure rumor is completely false.

Meltzer says he left angry over business dealings with Vince. His contract is up soon and the word is he's getting the UFC itch again.

The Grantland/Cheap Heat podcast threw out the dream scenario last night: Lesnar having a temper tantrum, vacating the title and skipping Wrestlemania thereby setting up a WM IV-style tournament for the belt which would be far more compelling than the Lesnar/Reigns matchup we are currently destined for. The WWE would also avoid having to give Lesnar his last big payday too.

Of course, there is 0% chance of this happening.

Someone on Sirius fantasy this morning said that if Lesnar is leaving anyway that they were hoping for a Taker/Lesnar match at WM where Taker wins, Lesnar leaves and then Monday Taker retires leaving the belt vacant. I really like that idea... too bad its not happening

I'd love for an Undertaker/Lesnar match next year allowing Undertaker to retire in Texas and avenge his only WM loss. Lesnar jobbing for Undertaker certainly wouldn't be any hit on him at that point.

I think that would be awful. I mean, you'd really want to see another Taker/Lesnar match? Other than the ending being surprising, the rest of the match last year was sleep inducing, and that certainly wasn't because of Lesnar.

I give Undertaker a mulligan on that one... he supposedly suffered a bad concussion early in the match and didn't know what he was doing for the rest of it. If he can pull off a better performance this year, then I'd be happy to see him go one more time next year.

 

[Bogart]

Straight Shoot Retro review of Wrestlemania I:

http://youtu.be/mXa45pEbmcs

This was really entertaining. Listened to the rest of it going into work. Liked their idea that the main event should have been Hogan-Piper II with Mr.T in Hogan's corner. Problem is Piper refused to job to Hogan, so you needed Mr. Wonderful in there to take the pinfall.

 

[travdogg]

So Brock was at RAW this week, but did not appear. Tons of speculation on what happened, because no one just flies a private jet somewhere and not make an appearance. Talk of it being anything from dispute over Merch sales to a possible Roman Reigns PED drug test failure.

Reigns Wellness failure rumor is completely false.

Meltzer says he left angry over business dealings with Vince. His contract is up soon and the word is he's getting the UFC itch again.

The Grantland/Cheap Heat podcast threw out the dream scenario last night: Lesnar having a temper tantrum, vacating the title and skipping Wrestlemania thereby setting up a WM IV-style tournament for the belt which would be far more compelling than the Lesnar/Reigns matchup we are currently destined for. The WWE would also avoid having to give Lesnar his last big payday too.

Of course, there is 0% chance of this happening.

Someone on Sirius fantasy this morning said that if Lesnar is leaving anyway that they were hoping for a Taker/Lesnar match at WM where Taker wins, Lesnar leaves and then Monday Taker retires leaving the belt vacant. I really like that idea... too bad its not happening

I'd love for an Undertaker/Lesnar match next year allowing Undertaker to retire in Texas and avenge his only WM loss. Lesnar jobbing for Undertaker certainly wouldn't be any hit on him at that point.

I think that would be awful. I mean, you'd really want to see another Taker/Lesnar match? Other than the ending being surprising, the rest of the match last year was sleep inducing, and that certainly wasn't because of Lesnar.

I give Undertaker a mulligan on that one... he supposedly suffered a bad concussion early in the match and didn't know what he was doing for the rest of it. If he can pull off a better performance this year, then I'd be happy to see him go one more time next year.

That is possible, though he'll be 50 by that point. I've never been a huge Taker fan, but I don't think he himself has had a good match since Michaels in 2010. Didn't think much of either of the HHH matches, and the Punk match was just Punk throwing himself around recklessly. If Lesnar has to lose, I'd much prefer if was to help solidify a newer star. As of now, I think Rollins cashing in, is probably the best idea.

That said, I can't help but feeling that Lesnar possibly jumping back to UFC is a work. Something to try to drum up interest in what is considered an uninteresting main event.

 

[JB Breakfast Club]

Straight Shoot Retro review of Wrestlemania I:

http://youtu.be/mXa45pEbmcs

This was really entertaining. Listened to the rest of it going into work. Liked their idea that the main event should have been Hogan-Piper II with Mr.T in Hogan's corner. Problem is Piper refused to job to Hogan, so you needed Mr. Wonderful in there to take the pinfall.

The Retro series is great. They go through every PPV in order through Summerslam 1990. Sam Roberts filled in on the last few, but then they had to pull the plug on the show until crowd funding picks up.

I'm a big fan of Aubrey's Straight Shoot series - he does 90 minutes shows after each RAW and PPV as well (with guests from Ring of Honor, Marvel Comics, and more). Check out his channel for more fun wrestling talk: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkedbvdrme3gzvgzzFAx7qA/

 

[mr fancypants]

Looks like Jon Stewart is making an appearance tonight on RAW to "Settle the score" with Seth Rollins.

http://www.wrestleview.com/wwe-news/53296-official-wwe-press-release-on-jon-stewart-on-raw-tonight

 

[OC Zed]

Looks like Jon Stewart is making an appearance tonight on RAW to "Settle the score" with Seth Rollins.

http://www.wrestleview.com/wwe-news/53296-official-wwe-press-release-on-jon-stewart-on-raw-tonight

We're getting into Wrestlemania 2 territory.

 

[KiddLattimer]

Looks like Jon Stewart is making an appearance tonight on RAW to "Settle the score" with Seth Rollins.

http://www.wrestleview.com/wwe-news/53296-official-wwe-press-release-on-jon-stewart-on-raw-tonight

Maybe Vince Russo can write him in a victory over Lesnar for the title

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Axel has his best segment (and reaction) of his career. Then squashed by Cena in 2 minutes.

That segment didnt go at all like WWE booking wanted lol. Thank you crowd.

 

[KiddLattimer]

I was planning on canceling the network after Wrestlemania but if Raw keeps up like it is tonight I won't make it that far

 

[soothsayer]

O M G. AJ Lee is tight. Wow. I. Am. Out. :Kramer:

 

[OC Zed]

Axel has his best segment (and reaction) of his career. Then squashed by Cena in 2 minutes.

That segment didnt go at all like WWE booking wanted lol. Thank you crowd.

 

[Bogart]

Watching WrestleMania I. Wondering if I can plow through all 30 previous WrestleManias before number 31.

WrestleMania II Useless and Random Comments:

Spoiler

• Horrible soft jazz intro leads into Vince announcing Ray Charles. Ray kills it.
• Piper makes slightly racist comments, then makes a veiled homosexual comment between him and Bob Orton.
• Orndorff in the opening match and as a face. What a difference a year makes. Canned comments played over the start of the match as opposed to the backstage taped interviews. Susan Saint James, worst color commentator ever. Vince lost on what the outcome was. Double Countout. Crowd chanting "Bull####, bull####". They will be so proud of their kids chanting "ECW" years later. Vince still doesn't know what's going on. They cut to Mr.T before telling people the result of the match. Oh, there is the result DURING the Mr.T interview.
• Main the lighting really is dark compared to today.
• George "The Animal" Steele vs. Randy Savage for the IC title. Forgot all about this match!!! Elizabeth looks stunning, but scared. Shut up Susan Saint James. The storyline of Steele being in love with Elizabeth just seems creepier now, seeing as he has 22 years on her. Flowers being used in the match, as a weapon. Turnbuckle stuffing used as a meal and a weapon. Vince: "Look at the hair on that torso!!!" Savage wins and retains the IC strap with the same "feet on the ropes" move that Valentine used last year. And we can see that Vince has been burying the IC strap for almost 30 years now.
• Bill Fralic is dreamy. The audio sucks.
• We get Jake Roberts against a jobber after Savage/Steele. Awesome. The DDT does not yet have a name in 1986. Awesome.
• Piper/T montage. Hogan interview with Ventura. Guest celebrity role call for the boxing match. Joan Rivers. Chocolate Thunder Darryl Dawkins. Cab Calloway. G Gordon Liddy. Herb (from Burger King). Real A listers here.
• Piper/Mr.T boxing match. The timing on everything just sucks. Joan Rivers is butchering everything. A real wrestling match feels like it was days ago. Piper carries this "match". Mr. T is just as gassed as he was last year. Piper gets the DQ loss, as usual.
• We leave New York for Rosemount, Illinois. Cathy Lee Crosby and a woman's match. Hooray. Moolah is 62 years old for this match, and wins in less than 2 mins. When McIntyre misses a splash. Moolah never gets any offense in and still wins.
• Flag match. Volkoff vs. Sgt. Slaughter-adjas. Two matches. Three mins of action. You are welcome fly-over state.
• Not to be outdone with Herb, we get the Where's the Beef lady. **** Butkus as guest ref. TOO TALL JONES as guest ref. Battle Royal time. 6 NFL guys vs. 14 WWF guys. Seems fair. Intros are lasting longer than the whole battle royal did. Fridge gets the biggest pop. Neidhart with the most awkward exit from a battle royal ever. Andre kicks him in the center of the ring and The Anvil run and jumps over the top rope.
• Piper with more racist comments. Classic Piper. Shut up Susan Saint James.
• Greg Valentine and Brutus "still not a Barber" Beefcake vs. The British Bulldogs. Heel champs get no entrance. Bulldogs get OZZY!!...and Albino. 2 mins in, this is already the best match of the night. Valentine really is Ric Flair in every way. Lame finish, but great match. Ozzy looks great in his Miami Vice outfit. British Bulldogs promise to keep the belts in the States.
• Back to Vince. SHUT UP Susan!! (ok ,she is kind of 80s hot). More jazz sax music.
• Jesse, Alfred and Elvira in LA. Sweet.
• Steamboat vs. Hercules. I could watch Steamboat do arm drags on loop all day long. Ricky with the crossbody off the top rope FTW.
• Adrian Adonis vs. Uncle Elmer. We have already wasted too much time talking about this match. Something I didn't know, the leather jacket that Piper wore for years came from Adonis as he switched from the biker gimmick to the effeminate one.
• Funks vs. Santana/JYD. Jesse with an early "Chico". "Chico" count at 4 5. Funk with the megaphone shot on JYD for the win. "Chico" count into double digits quickly.
• We are getting to watch the cage being put up by random guys in casual clothes. Hogan/Bundy montage. Bundy was just in a squash match a year ago. Now a main eventer. The power of The Brain. Doctor interviewed saying he is telling Hogan not to go forward with match. "He might experience permanent damage....OR EVEN SURGERY." Hogan doing "heavy chin ups" with the doctor cheering him on. Confused. Bundy doesn't have eyebrows. Just noticed that. Tommy Lasorda. Ricky Schroder as timekeeper!! Robert Conrad as referee?!? "Real American" is just a great song. Hogan ripping the shirt at the top of the cage. Hogan gets over the top before Bundy gets out the door and then tosses The Brain around the cage. Lasorda yells "....of the world, Hulk Hogan!!!!!" Crappy sound. Hogan poses with poor camera angles. WWE will get better at this, right?

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Jesus if not for the blaring music, you could have heard a pin drop during that Reigns entrance.

 

[OC Zed]

Jesus if not for the blaring music, you could have heard a pin drop during that Reigns entrance.

A buddy of mine went to the MSG house show on Friday. Here is what he texted me:

"So many boos for roman. Almost incredible how over d Bryan is."

 

[OC Zed]

David Shoemaker (Masked Man) has a recent column at Grantland on wrestling's second bananas. Here's a great blurb on the origins of Virgil/Vincent's name:

“Of course, there were second bananas all over the wrestling world — Kevin Von Erich, Buddy Roberts, and Greg Gagne are but a few of them. I spent my formative years watching “Superstar” Bill Dundee, Dutch Mantell, and Jeff Jarrett alternate between being enemies and second bananas to Southern wrestling legend Jerry “The King” Lawler. But the best second banana to come out of Memphis was Soul Train Jones, who made only a handful of appearances before WWF hired him to become Virgil, the manservant of “Million Dollar Man” Ted DiBiase. The “Million Dollar Man” character was an onscreen proxy for Vince McMahon (who was still a decade away from actually getting in the ring himself), and the name “Virgil” was swiped from the birth certificate of Dusty Rhodes, the wrestler who was then calling the shots at rival WCW. WWF wanted to be sure WCW knew which banana it was on the promotional landscape. Virgil spent several years suffering the humiliation of indentured servitude to DiBiase before finally turning on him in 1991 (WWF’s year of the untethered second banana, it would seem). Virgil and DiBiase had a memorable feud, after which Virgil faded into obscurity before being resurrected as “Vincent” (touché!), again alongside DiBiase, in WCW.”

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/second-banana-wwe-wcw-shawn-michaels-marty-jannetty-paul-orndorff-hulk-hogan-arn-anderson-ric-flair/

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Jesus if not for the blaring music, you could have heard a pin drop during that Reigns entrance.

A buddy of mine went to the MSG house show on Friday. Here is what he texted me:

"So many boos for roman. Almost incredible how over d Bryan is."

They really need to incorporate Lesnar (likely) leaving into the finish of the Reigns/Lesnar match.

Whether it's aligning Heyman/Reigns......or Authority/Reigns...into the finish. The guy is just getting zero reaction on his own.

 

[UOFI_316]

• **** Butkus as guest ref. TOO TALL JONES as guest ref. Battle Royal time. 6 NFL guys vs. 14 WWF guys. Seems fair. Intros are lasting longer than the whole battle royal did. Fridge gets the biggest pop. Neidhart with the most awkward exit from a battle royal ever. Andre kicks him in the center of the ring and The Anvil run and jumps over the top rope.

Growing up my parents did not let me watch wrestling, but as Bears fans we were able to watch this since Fridge and Jimbo Covert were in it. I still remember Covert running over to clear everyone off Fridge at the beginning, and Fridge "shaking hands" with Big John Studd and pulling him over the top rope after he was thrown out.

 

[RBM]

Ridiculous spear on Rollins to end the show.

I really liked the IC title build. That's going to be a tremendous match.

 

[soothsayer]

Ridiculous spear on Rollins to end the show.

There simply isn't any way to defy physics - he crushed him. How they pull that off without Rollins getting hurt is beyond me. I guess they practice somehow but holy crap that had to be stiff. In fact, I thought the whole match looked stiff, which is exactly what they need to do. I think Reigns has looked really good the last two times out.

 

[JB Breakfast Club]

Ridiculous spear on Rollins to end the show.

There simply isn't any way to defy physics - he crushed him. How they pull that off without Rollins getting hurt is beyond me. I guess they practice somehow but holy crap that had to be stiff. In fact, I thought the whole match looked stiff, which is exactly what they need to do. I think Reigns has looked really good the last two times out.

Be careful. You aren't supposed to like Reigns around here.

 

[travdogg]

I was planning on canceling the network after Wrestlemania but if Raw keeps up like it is tonight I won't make it that far

Different strokes I guess, but I thought this was by far the best Raw in at least a month. Good crowd(other than Punk chants) helped a lot.

 

[RBM]

Ridiculous spear on Rollins to end the show.

There simply isn't any way to defy physics - he crushed him. How they pull that off without Rollins getting hurt is beyond me. I guess they practice somehow but holy crap that had to be stiff. In fact, I thought the whole match looked stiff, which is exactly what they need to do. I think Reigns has looked really good the last two times out.

Also loved the leap over the top rope on to The Authority. Something we've never seen from him.

 

[eoMMan]

I'm a casual watcher here and there and don't know all the wrestlers but my observations....

1. They need a new superstar (like a John Cena, The Rock, etc.). Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns, who I'm assuming they are grooming for this role, both suck. Besides, they look too much alike. Speaking of Rollins, how did he get the briefcase back last night? He left the ring and Roman was standing on it.

2. I enjoy looking at the Divas and watching them wrestle. They should have them on the show earlier and make they more involved. For example, instead of Dean Ambrose and Bad News last night at 820 or so, they should had a Divas match there.

3. I think the fan sign that says "the guy behind me can't see" is funny.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Rollins is about the best thing they have going IMO. Great heel, great in ring, on mic, etc.

 

[Bogart]

Got halfway though WM III last night. Think I'm going to change my review. Half the #### I typed last night doesn't make any sense.

 

[JB Breakfast Club]

I'm a casual watcher here and there and don't know all the wrestlers but my observations....

1. They need a new superstar (like a John Cena, The Rock, etc.). Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns, who I'm assuming they are grooming for this role, both suck. Besides, they look too much alike. Speaking of Rollins, how did he get the briefcase back last night? He left the ring and Roman was standing on it.

2. I enjoy looking at the Divas and watching them wrestle. They should have them on the show earlier and make they more involved. For example, instead of Dean Ambrose and Bad News last night at 820 or so, they should had a Divas match there.

3. I think the fan sign that says "the guy behind me can't see" is funny.

Point number 1 is really interesting. I'd think anyone could tune into RAW once and be drawn right to Rollins. His mic work is really great, and the stooges over the top selling of everything is says is great. Then he wrestles a match, and he's really incredible.

I was really taken back by Viagra jokes and Cena dropping the B word so early in the show last night. It was completely unnecessary, and I really don't need that in the first half of the show. Go TV-14 in the final hour if you want, but you've established the product as family friendly for the first hour plus.

 

[travdogg]

I'm a casual watcher here and there and don't know all the wrestlers but my observations....

1. They need a new superstar (like a John Cena, The Rock, etc.). Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns, who I'm assuming they are grooming for this role, both suck. Besides, they look too much alike. Speaking of Rollins, how did he get the briefcase back last night? He left the ring and Roman was standing on it.

2. I enjoy looking at the Divas and watching them wrestle. They should have them on the show earlier and make they more involved. For example, instead of Dean Ambrose and Bad News last night at 820 or so, they should had a Divas match there.

3. I think the fan sign that says "the guy behind me can't see" is funny.

Point number 1 is really interesting. I'd think anyone could tune into RAW once and be drawn right to Rollins. His mic work is really great, and the stooges over the top selling of everything is says is great. Then he wrestles a match, and he's really incredible.

I was really taken back by Viagra jokes and Cena dropping the B word so early in the show last night. It was completely unnecessary, and I really don't need that in the first half of the show. Go TV-14 in the final hour if you want, but you've established the product as family friendly for the first hour plus.

I agree, I'm kind of amazed that anybody would think Rollins wasn't good. There is a pretty good argument to be made that he is the best worker in the company right now.

That whole Cena/Steph/Axel promo was interesting. Maybe the crowd reaction pushed it that way, but it sure seemed like Cena was cutting a heel promo, especially after the crowd was cheering Steph, and especially Axel. Also, how does Axel tell time? He said he'd been in the Rumble for 35 days and 26 hours, and I'd like to know how many hours are in an Axel day.

 

[Bogart]

I'm a casual watcher here and there and don't know all the wrestlers but my observations....

1. They need a new superstar (like a John Cena, The Rock, etc.). Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns, who I'm assuming they are grooming for this role, both suck. Besides, they look too much alike. Speaking of Rollins, how did he get the briefcase back last night? He left the ring and Roman was standing on it.

2. I enjoy looking at the Divas and watching them wrestle. They should have them on the show earlier and make they more involved. For example, instead of Dean Ambrose and Bad News last night at 820 or so, they should had a Divas match there.

3. I think the fan sign that says "the guy behind me can't see" is funny.

Point number 1 is really interesting. I'd think anyone could tune into RAW once and be drawn right to Rollins. His mic work is really great, and the stooges over the top selling of everything is says is great. Then he wrestles a match, and he's really incredible.

I was really taken back by Viagra jokes and Cena dropping the B word so early in the show last night. It was completely unnecessary, and I really don't need that in the first half of the show. Go TV-14 in the final hour if you want, but you've established the product as family friendly for the first hour plus.

I agree, I'm kind of amazed that anybody would think Rollins wasn't good. There is a pretty good argument to be made that he is the best worker in the company right now.

That whole Cena/Steph/Axel promo was interesting. Maybe the crowd reaction pushed it that way, but it sure seemed like Cena was cutting a heel promo, especially after the crowd was cheering Steph, and especially Axel. Also, how does Axel tell time? He said he'd been in the Rumble for 35 days and 26 hours, and I'd like to know how many hours are in an Axel day.

That would be great shtick. Do a take off on his Dad's Perfect Skits and just have Axel going around doing things on Axel Time.

"I just watched 60 mins in 45 mins, on Axel Time."

"6 min abs?? Try 6 hour abs, on Axel Time."

 

[Tom Servo]

Guy gives his girlfriend WWE finishers (into a pool)

ETA: Girl is wearing yoga pants; fire up the batsignal for Jon_mx and Tom234e2304.

 

[Smack Tripper]

I'm a casual watcher here and there and don't know all the wrestlers but my observations....

1. They need a new superstar (like a John Cena, The Rock, etc.). Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns, who I'm assuming they are grooming for this role, both suck. Besides, they look too much alike. Speaking of Rollins, how did he get the briefcase back last night? He left the ring and Roman was standing on it.

2. I enjoy looking at the Divas and watching them wrestle. They should have them on the show earlier and make they more involved. For example, instead of Dean Ambrose and Bad News last night at 820 or so, they should had a Divas match there.

3. I think the fan sign that says "the guy behind me can't see" is funny.

Point number 1 is really interesting. I'd think anyone could tune into RAW once and be drawn right to Rollins. His mic work is really great, and the stooges over the top selling of everything is says is great. Then he wrestles a match, and he's really incredible.

I was really taken back by Viagra jokes and Cena dropping the B word so early in the show last night. It was completely unnecessary, and I really don't need that in the first half of the show. Go TV-14 in the final hour if you want, but you've established the product as family friendly for the first hour plus.

Really great mic work compared to who?

I think Rollins is awful in his delivery but I respect that he has some inflection unlike these other bozos.

I guess he's the best of the sorry lot of his generation (apart from Wyatt).

But I have no believability in Rollins. He presents too much like a first year acting student to me

 

[JB Breakfast Club]

Rollins is more compelling on the mic than most of the stars, in my opinion. I'd prefer to hear him tell a story over guys like Orton, Ziggler, Barrett and others.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Rollins is more compelling on the mic than most of the stars, in my opinion. I'd prefer to hear him tell a story over guys like Orton, Ziggler, Barrett and others.

I don't mean it as an attack I was just curious as to his perception. He's among the better guys today , I guess, but I wouldn't even label him top 10 for the past decade.

To me, when I think Great I think flair/Rhodes/austin/rock/jake Roberts. And to me he's not even in that realm. The only guy today who sniffs greatness is wyatt

 

[mr fancypants]

Just finished watching the NXT women's championship match and it's beside me on how Sasha Banks is not on the main WWE roster.

She has to have the best women's entrance going today.

 

[mr fancypants]

I'm a casual watcher here and there and don't know all the wrestlers but my observations....

1. They need a new superstar (like a John Cena, The Rock, etc.). Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns, who I'm assuming they are grooming for this role, both suck. Besides, they look too much alike. Speaking of Rollins, how did he get the briefcase back last night? He left the ring and Roman was standing on it.

2. I enjoy looking at the Divas and watching them wrestle. They should have them on the show earlier and make they more involved. For example, instead of Dean Ambrose and Bad News last night at 820 or so, they should had a Divas match there.

3. I think the fan sign that says "the guy behind me can't see" is funny.

Point number 1 is really interesting. I'd think anyone could tune into RAW once and be drawn right to Rollins. His mic work is really great, and the stooges over the top selling of everything is says is great. Then he wrestles a match, and he's really incredible.

I was really taken back by Viagra jokes and Cena dropping the B word so early in the show last night. It was completely unnecessary, and I really don't need that in the first half of the show. Go TV-14 in the final hour if you want, but you've established the product as family friendly for the first hour plus.

Really great mic work compared to who?

I think Rollins is awful in his delivery but I respect that he has some inflection unlike these other bozos.

I guess he's the best of the sorry lot of his generation (apart from Wyatt).

But I have no believability in Rollins. He presents too much like a first year acting student to me

I couldn't have said it any better myself. Outside of Brey Wyatt, Lesner/Heyman,and Rusev/Lana

the rest of the WWE is pretty unwatchable.I think its time for Vince and his antiquated views of

pro wrestling need to step aside and let HHH have a crack at it. What he's done with the NXT

program is impressive.

 

[RBM]

Rollins is more compelling on the mic than most of the stars, in my opinion. I'd prefer to hear him tell a story over guys like Orton, Ziggler, Barrett and others.

I don't mean it as an attack I was just curious as to his perception. He's among the better guys today , I guess, but I wouldn't even label him top 10 for the past decade.

To me, when I think Great I think flair/Rhodes/austin/rock/jake Roberts. And to me he's not even in that realm. The only guy today who sniffs greatness is wyatt

I have a feeling Ambrose could sniff greatness if he wasn't shackled to this stupid lunatic fringe gimmick.

 

[RBM]

Guy gives his girlfriend WWE finishers (into a pool)

ETA: Girl is wearing yoga pants; fire up the batsignal for Jon_mx and Tom234e2304.

Might be funnier

http://youtu.be/yke_BRK18pI

 

[travdogg]

Rollins is more compelling on the mic than most of the stars, in my opinion. I'd prefer to hear him tell a story over guys like Orton, Ziggler, Barrett and others.

I don't mean it as an attack I was just curious as to his perception. He's among the better guys today , I guess, but I wouldn't even label him top 10 for the past decade.

To me, when I think Great I think flair/Rhodes/austin/rock/jake Roberts. And to me he's not even in that realm. The only guy today who sniffs greatness is wyatt

I have a feeling Ambrose could sniff greatness if he wasn't shackled to this stupid lunatic fringe gimmick.

Ambrose can talk with the best of them, his pre-WWE stuff is golden.

I think the problem isn't with the people themselves, it is with Vince. I was listening to Chris Jericho's podcast a few months back, and he was talking about leaving in 2010, and coming back in 2012 and being handed a 2 page promo script. He marched into Vince's office and asked what the hell he was just given, as it used to be a few bullet points and wing it, and Vince said that was how they did things now, Jericho responded by going out and having a 10-minute promo without saying a single word.

Point being, I really believe if the wrestlers were just given bullet points instead of scripts, they'd be much better. There are a lot of great talkers in the company, who just don't get many chances. Conversely, I bet Rock, Austin etc. would have been pretty mediocre having to follow a lot of asinine scripts.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

I heard Samoa Joe is heading to NXT in April after his brief stint in ROH is over.

I still can't believe R-Troof is in the mix for the IC at Mania.

Right now, Rollins is THE man across the board. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Rollins is more compelling on the mic than most of the stars, in my opinion. I'd prefer to hear him tell a story over guys like Orton, Ziggler, Barrett and others.

I don't mean it as an attack I was just curious as to his perception. He's among the better guys today , I guess, but I wouldn't even label him top 10 for the past decade.

To me, when I think Great I think flair/Rhodes/austin/rock/jake Roberts. And to me he's not even in that realm. The only guy today who sniffs greatness is wyatt

I have a feeling Ambrose could sniff greatness if he wasn't shackled to this stupid lunatic fringe gimmick.

Ambrose can talk with the best of them, his pre-WWE stuff is golden.

I think the problem isn't with the people themselves, it is with Vince. I was listening to Chris Jericho's podcast a few months back, and he was talking about leaving in 2010, and coming back in 2012 and being handed a 2 page promo script. He marched into Vince's office and asked what the hell he was just given, as it used to be a few bullet points and wing it, and Vince said that was how they did things now, Jericho responded by going out and having a 10-minute promo without saying a single word.

Point being, I really believe if the wrestlers were just given bullet points instead of scripts, they'd be much better. There are a lot of great talkers in the company, who just don't get many chances. Conversely, I bet Rock, Austin etc. would have been pretty mediocre having to follow a lot of asinine scripts.

Completely agree.

 

[Brady Marino]

I heard Samoa Joe is heading to NXT in April after his brief stint in ROH is over.

I haven't heard this at all and can't see Joe at his age being interested.Hearing he is New Japan bound so be can do the Bullet Club stuff with AJ Styles.

 

[CBusAlex]

Ambrose can talk with the best of them, his pre-WWE stuff is golden.

I think the problem isn't with the people themselves, it is with Vince. I was listening to Chris Jericho's podcast a few months back, and he was talking about leaving in 2010, and coming back in 2012 and being handed a 2 page promo script. He marched into Vince's office and asked what the hell he was just given, as it used to be a few bullet points and wing it, and Vince said that was how they did things now, Jericho responded by going out and having a 10-minute promo without saying a single word.

Point being, I really believe if the wrestlers were just given bullet points instead of scripts, they'd be much better. There are a lot of great talkers in the company, who just don't get many chances. Conversely, I bet Rock, Austin etc. would have been pretty mediocre having to follow a lot of asinine scripts.

Completely agree.

Probably not a coincidence that the best talker in the business is the guy who clearly ad-libs the most.

"I know I left out Andre, that's because he's dead, you morons!"

 

[Tom Servo]

Guy gives his girlfriend WWE finishers (into a pool)

ETA: Girl is wearing yoga pants; fire up the batsignal for Jon_mx and Tom234e2304.

Might be funnier

http://youtu.be/yke_BRK18pI

Complete with referee to make the three count!!!

 

[D in the D]

Guy gives his girlfriend WWE finishers (into a pool)

ETA: Girl is wearing yoga pants; fire up the batsignal for Jon_mx and Tom234e2304.

Might be funnier

http://youtu.be/yke_BRK18pI

There but for the grace of God, goes me and a couple of my buddies about 30 years ago.

 

[D in the D]

Guy gives his girlfriend WWE finishers (into a pool)

ETA: Girl is wearing yoga pants; fire up the batsignal for Jon_mx and Tom234e2304.

Love the multiple angles and slo-mo replays. Stellar stuff right there.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Rollins is more compelling on the mic than most of the stars, in my opinion. I'd prefer to hear him tell a story over guys like Orton, Ziggler, Barrett and others.

I don't mean it as an attack I was just curious as to his perception. He's among the better guys today , I guess, but I wouldn't even label him top 10 for the past decade.

To me, when I think Great I think flair/Rhodes/austin/rock/jake Roberts. And to me he's not even in that realm. The only guy today who sniffs greatness is wyatt

I have a feeling Ambrose could sniff greatness if he wasn't shackled to this stupid lunatic fringe gimmick.

Ambrose can talk with the best of them, his pre-WWE stuff is golden.

I think the problem isn't with the people themselves, it is with Vince. I was listening to Chris Jericho's podcast a few months back, and he was talking about leaving in 2010, and coming back in 2012 and being handed a 2 page promo script. He marched into Vince's office and asked what the hell he was just given, as it used to be a few bullet points and wing it, and Vince said that was how they did things now, Jericho responded by going out and having a 10-minute promo without saying a single word.

Point being, I really believe if the wrestlers were just given bullet points instead of scripts, they'd be much better. There are a lot of great talkers in the company, who just don't get many chances. Conversely, I bet Rock, Austin etc. would have been pretty mediocre having to follow a lot of asinine scripts.

I agree with both of you... but i can't put Ambrose there until we see a little more but I think he has a main event face type Mic ability.

these guys love to mainstream and crossover appeal... and one of their biggest places this happens is with Flair. Flair didn't become Flair with scripts. Sometimes you see him and Hogan and even Piper come back and look flat and you think, are they losing it? But its not,you can see them trying to remember lines.

Hulk Hogan putting forth his natural charisma, became the biggest, hottest draw in wrestling history.

Hulk Hogan, the actor, did No Holds Barred and Santa with Muscles.

Will any of these guys be quoted in the mainstream like Flair or Rock or even Savage and Austin?

Athletes became fond of having those title belts to pass around the the locker room. Because those belts were built up and held by guys that in their realm projected excellence.

So the WWE thought they were missing out on promotion, so they went to that over the top title belt that is just their logo.

But they aren't realizing that that belt is associated with the tarnished turd that is their product.

Their priorities are so ####ed.

The feud of the year when those polls are done for 2015 should be WWE management vs. their fanbase

Sorry this is all over place

 

[travdogg]

Rollins is more compelling on the mic than most of the stars, in my opinion. I'd prefer to hear him tell a story over guys like Orton, Ziggler, Barrett and others.

I don't mean it as an attack I was just curious as to his perception. He's among the better guys today , I guess, but I wouldn't even label him top 10 for the past decade.

To me, when I think Great I think flair/Rhodes/austin/rock/jake Roberts. And to me he's not even in that realm. The only guy today who sniffs greatness is wyatt

I have a feeling Ambrose could sniff greatness if he wasn't shackled to this stupid lunatic fringe gimmick.

Ambrose can talk with the best of them, his pre-WWE stuff is golden.

I think the problem isn't with the people themselves, it is with Vince. I was listening to Chris Jericho's podcast a few months back, and he was talking about leaving in 2010, and coming back in 2012 and being handed a 2 page promo script. He marched into Vince's office and asked what the hell he was just given, as it used to be a few bullet points and wing it, and Vince said that was how they did things now, Jericho responded by going out and having a 10-minute promo without saying a single word.

Point being, I really believe if the wrestlers were just given bullet points instead of scripts, they'd be much better. There are a lot of great talkers in the company, who just don't get many chances. Conversely, I bet Rock, Austin etc. would have been pretty mediocre having to follow a lot of asinine scripts.

I agree with both of you... but i can't put Ambrose there until we see a little more but I think he has a main event face type Mic ability.

these guys love to mainstream and crossover appeal... and one of their biggest places this happens is with Flair. Flair didn't become Flair with scripts. Sometimes you see him and Hogan and even Piper come back and look flat and you think, are they losing it? But its not,you can see them trying to remember lines.

Hulk Hogan putting forth his natural charisma, became the biggest, hottest draw in wrestling history.

Hulk Hogan, the actor, did No Holds Barred and Santa with Muscles.

Will any of these guys be quoted in the mainstream like Flair or Rock or even Savage and Austin?

Athletes became fond of having those title belts to pass around the the locker room. Because those belts were built up and held by guys that in their realm projected excellence.

So the WWE thought they were missing out on promotion, so they went to that over the top title belt that is just their logo.

But they aren't realizing that that belt is associated with the tarnished turd that is their product.

Their priorities are so ####ed.

The feud of the year when those polls are done for 2015 should be WWE management vs. their fanbase

Sorry this is all over place

You are right about them sort of micromanaging to a point where nobody is happy.

I've always thought that watching wrestling the entertainment value is 50% crap, 40% ok, and 10% the best thing on tv that makes other other 90% worth it. But it feels like it wouldn't be that hard to make that 10% number higher. I certainly don't feel that way when I watch NXT.

 

[D in the D]

Rollins is more compelling on the mic than most of the stars, in my opinion. I'd prefer to hear him tell a story over guys like Orton, Ziggler, Barrett and others.

I don't mean it as an attack I was just curious as to his perception. He's among the better guys today , I guess, but I wouldn't even label him top 10 for the past decade.

To me, when I think Great I think flair/Rhodes/austin/rock/jake Roberts. And to me he's not even in that realm. The only guy today who sniffs greatness is wyatt

I have a feeling Ambrose could sniff greatness if he wasn't shackled to this stupid lunatic fringe gimmick.

Ambrose can talk with the best of them, his pre-WWE stuff is golden. I think the problem isn't with the people themselves, it is with Vince. I was listening to Chris Jericho's podcast a few months back, and he was talking about leaving in 2010, and coming back in 2012 and being handed a 2 page promo script. He marched into Vince's office and asked what the hell he was just given, as it used to be a few bullet points and wing it, and Vince said that was how they did things now, Jericho responded by going out and having a 10-minute promo without saying a single word.

Point being, I really believe if the wrestlers were just given bullet points instead of scripts, they'd be much better. There are a lot of great talkers in the company, who just don't get many chances. Conversely, I bet Rock, Austin etc. would have been pretty mediocre having to follow a lot of asinine scripts.

I agree with both of you... but i can't put Ambrose there until we see a little more but I think he has a main event face type Mic ability.these guys love to mainstream and crossover appeal... and one of their biggest places this happens is with Flair. Flair didn't become Flair with scripts. Sometimes you see him and Hogan and even Piper come back and look flat and you think, are they losing it? But its not,you can see them trying to remember lines.

Hulk Hogan putting forth his natural charisma, became the biggest, hottest draw in wrestling history.

Hulk Hogan, the actor, did No Holds Barred and Santa with Muscles.

Will any of these guys be quoted in the mainstream like Flair or Rock or even Savage and Austin?

Athletes became fond of having those title belts to pass around the the locker room. Because those belts were built up and held by guys that in their realm projected excellence.

So the WWE thought they were missing out on promotion, so they went to that over the top title belt that is just their logo.

But they aren't realizing that that belt is associated with the tarnished turd that is their product.

Their priorities are so ####ed.

The feud of the year when those polls are done for 2015 should be WWE management vs. their fanbase

Sorry this is all over place

You are right about them sort of micromanaging to a point where nobody is happy.I've always thought that watching wrestling the entertainment value is 50% crap, 40% ok, and 10% the best thing on tv that makes other other 90% worth it. But it feels like it wouldn't be that hard to make that 10% number higher. I certainly don't feel that way when I watch NXT.

The micromanaging is brutal. It used to be a tried and true formula. You let the talented guys work the mic (Flair, Hogan, Rock, Austin, Jericho, Macho Man, etc), you script the other guys/and or pair them with some talent and dish them out in small doses (think Freebirds with PS Hayes doing most of the talking or Arn Anderson speaking for Tully or the other Horsemen not named Ric Flair), and the guys with ring skills that are abysmal on the mic you give the UBER talented managers to (the Brain, Heyman, Cornette).Watching guys trip over lines trying to cut even a two minute promo is horrible.