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20 Man Battle Royal, winner of each ring meet in a one on one final.
Ring A
Jerry "King" Lawler
Bret "Hitman" Hart
The Rock
"Ravishing" Rick Rude
Kevin Nash
Bautista
C.M. Punk
Kenny Omega
Roadwarrior Animal
Lex Luger
Ring B
Kurt Angle
Chris Benoit
Eddy Gurrerro
Randy Orton
A.J.Styles
Seth Rollins
Brock Lesnar
Roadwarrior Hawk
Magnum T.A.
Edge
The winner will then be the last man in this 11 man Battle Royal
Hulk Hogan
Shawn Michaels
Sting
"Nature Boy" Ric Flair
The Undertaker
John Cena
Stonecold Steve Austin
Triple H
Randy "Macho Man" Savage
Dusty Rhodes
??????
Ring A
Jerry "King" Lawler
Bret "Hitman" Hart
The Rock
"Ravishing" Rick Rude
Kevin Nash
Bautista
C.M. Punk
Kenny Omega
Roadwarrior Animal
Lex Luger
Ring B
Kurt Angle
Chris Benoit
Eddy Gurrerro
Randy Orton
A.J.Styles
Seth Rollins
Brock Lesnar
Roadwarrior Hawk
Magnum T.A.
Edge
The winner will then be the last man in this 11 man Battle Royal
Hulk Hogan
Shawn Michaels
Sting
"Nature Boy" Ric Flair
The Undertaker
John Cena
Stonecold Steve Austin
Triple H
Randy "Macho Man" Savage
Dusty Rhodes
??????
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hagmania
Footballguy
@ZenoRazon - I'll play your game.
Rock vs Styles - Was between Rock and King for me, and I went back and forth on this several times. I even had King winning in the first iteration of this post. Finally changed back to Rock. Styles is the quintessential talent of the modern era focused on in-ring storytelling. Styles moves on.
Nature Boy dumps Austin out amid a flurry of middle fingers from the latter after hiding outside the ring for most of the match. Booking: Undertaker dominates until elimination, lots of classic spots from everyone. Cena tosses HHH, Undertaker tosses Dusty and Macho Man, Sting tosses Cena, Michaels tosses Sting, Undertaker tosses Michaels, Hogan-Taker staredown, Hogan tosses Undertaker, Final Three (Four): Hogan, Styles, Austin, (Flair). Hogan tosses Styles, we get Hogan-Austin. Austin opens up a can on Hogan, stunner and gonezo. Celebrates with a beer on the top rope and OOPSIE there is Mr. Flair. Flair wins.
Rock vs Styles - Was between Rock and King for me, and I went back and forth on this several times. I even had King winning in the first iteration of this post. Finally changed back to Rock. Styles is the quintessential talent of the modern era focused on in-ring storytelling. Styles moves on.
Nature Boy dumps Austin out amid a flurry of middle fingers from the latter after hiding outside the ring for most of the match. Booking: Undertaker dominates until elimination, lots of classic spots from everyone. Cena tosses HHH, Undertaker tosses Dusty and Macho Man, Sting tosses Cena, Michaels tosses Sting, Undertaker tosses Michaels, Hogan-Taker staredown, Hogan tosses Undertaker, Final Three (Four): Hogan, Styles, Austin, (Flair). Hogan tosses Styles, we get Hogan-Austin. Austin opens up a can on Hogan, stunner and gonezo. Celebrates with a beer on the top rope and OOPSIE there is Mr. Flair. Flair wins.
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hagmania
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
Khan's son will be President with Bucks and COdi as Executives. Elite wanted to keep the creative team from All in. There's also rumors of a major TV deal possible
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
hagmania
Footballguy
Resseru Kingudamu!
Jericho and Naito sign their contract
Hoping Japan sends the filthy gaijins back to where they came from. Rooting for Okada, Naito and big Tana to all win.
Jericho and Naito sign their contract
Hoping Japan sends the filthy gaijins back to where they came from. Rooting for Okada, Naito and big Tana to all win.
hagmania
Footballguy
A new year and the approaching return of the WWE to network television has me jazzed about wrestling's outlook right now. What is the wildest change to main roster programming you can see happening that is actually approved by Vince? Who should be on which brand on 10/4/2019 (SDL FOX premiere)? Can fan engagement ever be stoked to fever pitch again?
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
DJackson10
Footballguy
When capable writers get hired and Vince stops making Black guys dance and throw pancakes around.
As for SD I expect it to be more of the A show so expect the top stars to be there. If AJ resigns he'll stay, see Balor, Seth, Dean, McIntyre and Dolph all on SD by OCT.
DJackson10
Footballguy
She signed last night. Surprised WWE didn't sign her to NXT already considering she's married to Adam Cole BAY BAY!!!!!!Rumor has it that Britt Bakerhas signed an AEW contract.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Starts at 2AM EST for me. Guess I won't be going to bed tonight. I slept till 1:15 or so today so I should be good to go. Work at 2PM tomorrow so I'm gonna take a cat nap before work. I keep forgetting to take off for WK every year but work schedule ended up working out this year. Last year I ended up working Sunday do to no Eagles game though so.Tom Servo said:
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
With the IWGP Heavyweight title yet to be decided, so far...
all the champions have lost
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Now that the holidays are over and MNF is pretty much done, a lot of casual viewers start watching "Royal Rumble season" So I'm hoping RAW next week will draw me back in to must watch.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
hagmania
Footballguy
We're on the road to WrestleMania baby!
You should give SmackDown Live a peeksie even if Raw isn't cutting the mustard for you. Solid show, and an hour less commitment. You may know this already though.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Don't bet on it.
Rumble's is town here this year and zero desire to go (stadium shows are horrific live imo). Will go to prichard show but the current wwe is just so gd awful. There's maybe a handful of guys with appeal but not worth sitting through 5 hours of programming. Long been my opinion wrestling shows should be an hour long. I'd split raw/smackdown into 1 hour nightly shows. (Taped means little.... people already aren't watching)
I don't watch their weekly product at all but nxt shows appeal to me more
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I do watch both, Smackdown does flow better.We're on the road to WrestleMania baby!
You should give SmackDown Live a peeksie even if Raw isn't cutting the mustard for you. Solid show, and an hour less commitment. You may know this already though.
Bogart
Footballguy
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
As Bogart mentioned, 8 PM eastern. From a couple of reviews I've read, it went off pretty well. Switchblade Jay White supposedly turned in a gem against Okada and Naito - Jericho was a war.
hagmania
Footballguy
I said all matches were above average, but Cody was so boring I forgot I watched him live.
Personal rankings:
Naito vs Jericho (IC)
Tanahashi vs Omega (HW) || Okada vs White
Sabre Jr vs Ishii (RevPro) || Ospreay vs Ibushi (NEVER)
Jr. Tag 3-Way || HW Tag 3-Way
Ishimori vs KUSHIDA (Jr)
...
...
...
...
Juice vs Cody (US)
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
When I was a kid I took all the wrestlers I knew about (500 or so) put there names on little index squares I'd measured out. Cut all those names out and tossed them in a discarded coffee can.
I had fantasy cards, tag teams and tournaments.
Pick out 8 squares blank side up.
I had fantasy cards, tag teams and tournaments.
Pick out 8 squares blank side up.
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SlaX
Footballguy
I used to do so much fantasy booking growing up. I did a "what if" with Magnum TA. I had him losing at Starrcade '86 (which most people think he would have won), but had him winning the title around the time of the Jim Crockett Senior Memorial Cup (it may have been that night), continuing his feud with Flair through out the summer all the way to the rematch at Starrcade '87 (the the original timeline, Ron Garvin won after the summer of '87 and defended it at Starrcade '87).
Nikita still turns face and feuds with Ivan, the Paul Jones Army and then the Horsemen (teaming with Dusty, Magnum and the Road Warriors for War Games). But Nikita winds up jumping ship to the WWF, debuting at Royal Rumble '89. Instead of Rick Rude being the one that beats the Ultimate Warrior for the IC title at Wrestlemania, it's Nikita Koloff. But Warrior gets it back again soon since Nikita gets a quick bump up to take on Hulk Hogan just in time for SummerSlam (which is a whole hell of a lot better than the Zeus bull#### that we got). Nikita leaves just in time for the Warrior/Hogan build-up since Nikita needs to tend to his wife's medical issues.
Back in WCW, 1989 goes pretty much as per the usual timeline, but Magnum has been away for a bit. So we still get the Flair/Steamboat trilogy, Flair vs Funk (which concludes at Starrcade '89 instead of the Clash before it - no stupid Future Shock tournament for Starrcade in my timeline!), Sting still feuds with Muta and teams with Flair against the J-Tex Corporation (Muta, Funk, Gary Hart, etc).
Of course, Starrcade '89 ends with Flair vanquishing Funk in the I-quit match and Sting celebrating in the ring with Flair, and the returning Ole and Arn Anderson. The show ends with Ole and Arn giving Sting dirty looks. That leads to Flair and the Andersons forcing out Sting as per the original timeline. Except this time, Sting doesn't screw up his leg thanks to Doug Dillenger. It's a "What if" fantasy booking, so let's just say that didn't happen. But the Andersons and Flair take Sting out, Dusty-style instead. A returning Magnum TA makes the save!
This leads to a tag match between Sting / Magnum TA vs Flair and Arn Anderson coming up at the next PPV. Tully's back ("What If" rules), but Ole isn't a wrestler anymore. So who's the 4th Horseman?
Sting calls out the Horsemen and says something to the effect of "You call yourself the FOUR Horsemen, but I only see three of you." This leads to a Horsemen beatdown prior to the tag match. Luger comes to Sting's aid during one of the shows, but everyone remembers his past of being a Horsemen and think he's the 4th. The next week, the Horsemen take out Luger, calming everyone's worries that he's one of them. Arn delivers a message to Sting: "Be careful what you ask for, because you JUST MIGHT GET IT!" (while holding up 4 fingers).
Ok, I know I made this long, so I'll shorten this. The tag match between Sting / Magnum vs Arn and Flair finally comes and the finish is Magnum taking out Sting to show that he's the 4th member. Muta and a crippled Lex make the late save.
Magnum has a small run as a Horseman during 1990 and has feuds with Sting, Muta and Lex Luger. In 1991, Dusty Rhodes returns with Dustin and they try to reason with Magnum. The Horsemen begins imploding, Magnum turns face again and the Horsemen disband just in time for Flair's departure in June 1991 when he jumps to the WWF. Magnum continues for a while. But his peak has run and he eventually retires to announcer.
Sorry so long. I just listed what I remembered that had to do with the Magnum TA booking. Hope you enjoyed it. If not, sorry for making you read it.
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I love to read and the wrestling so....thank you. You took it deep, far deeper than I went. You put some serious time and creativity into it.
How sad was that about Magnum T.A? My first thought was some angle and my second thought was please please be an angle. Very sad situation.
That was the best of times for televised wrestling. WCW, WWF. World Class, UWF, AWA.
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SlaX
Footballguy
I was devastated when I heard about Magnum. He was one of my favorite wrestlers at the time. My aunt, who used to take me to wrestling matches all the time, was very close with Magnum, so I got to meet him in person a couple of times. I used to just wonder what would wrestling be like if Magnum TA hadn't crashed that car. I never thought he'd become the greatest of all-time like some people put him at, but he could have at least been THE star in the NWA and WCW for awhile.
I've even wondered how he would have worked in the WWF. But they already had Jake Roberts, so it's a tough call there. I don't know that he had anything that would have worked there with Jake and Hogan being on the roster. And Jake could've been more himself, if not for Hogan cutting him off. So that's where that line of thinking comes from.
Now Nikita, I think Vince and Hogan would have salivated at having another monster heel to destroy. So that part works out.
Also, if you're wondering Magnum's motivation for joining the Horsemen. I'll explain it like this:
The reason Starrcade '89 was originally the Future Shock round robin tournament was for Sting to win and solidify him as the #1 contender for the World Championship... but that belong to Flair... and they somewhat have a newly formed friendship. Or was it a friendship? They were basically just joining forces to battle a common foe. Sting was eluded to as the new Horsemen, but it was never made official. Winning at Starrcade put Sting and Flair at odds because now Sting was the #1 contender. Thus, the Horsemen booted his ### out.
In my version, Sting still becomes #1 contender at Starrcade. But without a full tournament that removes what Starrcade is all about. After his match, he's interviewed and he eludes to his excitement to get another shot at the World Championship, no matter who comes out on top tonight. And he tells Flair that he hopes there's no hard feelings there. This still completes the necessary story that the original Starrcade accomplished, but (IMO) much better. And plus I feel that if they're gonna treat Starrcade like it's the Super Bowl (Wrestlemania, whatever) of wrestling, they need to end the year's biggest feud AT THAT SHOW! So Flair vs Funk, I-Quit Match AT Starrcade - not at Clash of the Champions IX on free TV. WTF!? (While we're at it. F' Battlebowl too! Make it a separate PPV like they finally do in '93. Don't make it the focal point of Starrcade!)
So anyway, Magnum's motivation. Magnum TA and the Horsemen go way back. There's been blood, sweat and tears lost there. There's major history. But that also leads to mutual respect. And when Sting challenges Flair when he says he's one of them... Magnum doesn't feel that was respectful.
Plus, it would have been cool to see if Magnum would have worked well as a heel. And turning on Sting at that point in 1990 would have been the perfect time to try it.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
It's still sad how badly WCW #### the bed in 1990. Once Sting blew his knee out, the smart move was to have Luger beat Flair for the belt, but nope instead we got months of them finding every way possible for Luger to not beat Flair in a title match, so Sting could eventually return to win the belt and then be such a boring champ that they took the belt off him far sooner than they ever thought they would. After an electric 1989 that saw some awesome feuds (Flair/Steamboat, Flair/Funk, Sting/Muta, etc.), 1990 was a major plummet.
hagmania
Footballguy
I guess I won't be surprised if the WWE Brinks truck is loaded enough with their offer, but I have to imagine this is a really tough call for Kenny. He is at the top of his game in a territory that knows how to use him and an audience that loves him. Kenny is a full-fledged Japanese citizen and would presumably be leaving his boyfriend behind (Idk if he and Ibushi are together or not tbh). I don't think Kota is coming to AEW; Kota sure as hell doesn't care about signing with WWE, as he could have done that during the CWC.
Kenny only comes back to NA for WWE imo. He really wants to do WrestleMania and be acknowledged by the largest audience as being at the pinnacle of the industry, but I don't know that the time is right at this moment. Lot of money though, we shall see.
DJackson10
Footballguy
he'll go to AEW non of these guys should want to go to WWE until Hunter is fully in charge. Vince will have Omega doing some LGBT gimmick with Balor in no time if he came now
DJackson10
Footballguy
WK next year is a two night EVENt AT TOKYO DOME Jan 4th and 5th. Honestly think with all the bull#### of getting everyone and their mother on Mania card WWE needs to do 2 nights of Mania instead. I almost turned it off last year it was so dam long
DJackson10
Footballguy
From my guy yesterday and today
"here have been multiple reports today about Kenny Omega getting a revised wwe offer. This is correct as he got a revised offer New Years Eve. Since the rest of the Elite didn’t signed with them, wwe has put all of their bank on Kenny. His offer is in the neighborhood of 2.5-3.5 a year for three years. Yes Their year is the option year. To what I’ve been told he’s seriously thinking about it as AEW not NJPW can offer that. Not even close. Now the dilemma is that HHH wants him main roster, Vince wants nxt.And that could play a factor in the potential signing. Kenny is eager about the idea of squaring off against or go with Adam Cole again but he’s also mulling the new fewds the Main Roster will bring. It is also said that Y2j has put his two cents and told him to follow his dream"
"The wrestlevotes account aka former wwe writer, has confirmed my source story (which I may think it’s the same one) about Kenny Omegas offer."
"if you guys have noticed the wheels are spinning for the Royal Rumble even before the first edition of Raw of 2019 begins, meaning that no matter what there will be a surprise in it. So if Jenny has signed or not we won’t know until the very end Or a special edition of the bte before the rumble...."
"now on AJ Styles case, he wants more years less dates and more money. He has a strong case for him to get it. He’s been the flagship of Smackdown since he was moved there and has held the belt quite well Would he get it? don’t think so say my source Would it make financial sense for AJ to stay in wwe? Yes. 4 kids. Would it be worth for him to go to AEW and gamble his immediate well being. No. So wwe thinks they will settle with him soon or later like they did with Bryan D. Would it make financial sense for AJ to stay in wwe? Yes. 4 kids. Would it be worth for him to go to AEW and gamble his immediate well being. No. So wwe thinks they will settle with him soon or later like they did with Bryan D.
another interesting case is Goldust. Yes I asked. He’s contract is currently frozen due to injury. He wants to help his brother but sources say he wants to also stay and work in nxt. He’s loyal to Vince and wwe for helping him on his dark days And he doesn’t want to leave AEW fail and find himself out of income again. So don’t expect him to leave for those twitter trolls that are saying he’s leaving."
My source said AJ will get just enough it makes him stay in WWE. Not everything he asks for but enough
"getting Kenny Omega has countered WWE’s offer. Word is that he wants Rousey style schedule with off periods to rest and heal. Example every 90 days he wants 14 off. Wwe is thinking about it but doesn’t look possible so they might let him walk...."
Edit: I just got this from him as I asked if WWE soul focus is on Omega or if there's other people they are targeting at the moment. Essentially WWE ####ed themselves in the ### Roman
"Well the focus is Omega as they screwed themselves when the focus was only on Roman Reigns. The guy might not even wrestle again! They need a star someone that is already made. They have AJ but he can’t be the only one putting asses in seats so they Need Omega. Wwe needs more Omega than Omega needs them. But at the end this is a business so money talks and bull#### walks"
"here have been multiple reports today about Kenny Omega getting a revised wwe offer. This is correct as he got a revised offer New Years Eve. Since the rest of the Elite didn’t signed with them, wwe has put all of their bank on Kenny. His offer is in the neighborhood of 2.5-3.5 a year for three years. Yes Their year is the option year. To what I’ve been told he’s seriously thinking about it as AEW not NJPW can offer that. Not even close. Now the dilemma is that HHH wants him main roster, Vince wants nxt.And that could play a factor in the potential signing. Kenny is eager about the idea of squaring off against or go with Adam Cole again but he’s also mulling the new fewds the Main Roster will bring. It is also said that Y2j has put his two cents and told him to follow his dream"
"The wrestlevotes account aka former wwe writer, has confirmed my source story (which I may think it’s the same one) about Kenny Omegas offer."
"if you guys have noticed the wheels are spinning for the Royal Rumble even before the first edition of Raw of 2019 begins, meaning that no matter what there will be a surprise in it. So if Jenny has signed or not we won’t know until the very end Or a special edition of the bte before the rumble...."
"now on AJ Styles case, he wants more years less dates and more money. He has a strong case for him to get it. He’s been the flagship of Smackdown since he was moved there and has held the belt quite well Would he get it? don’t think so say my source Would it make financial sense for AJ to stay in wwe? Yes. 4 kids. Would it be worth for him to go to AEW and gamble his immediate well being. No. So wwe thinks they will settle with him soon or later like they did with Bryan D. Would it make financial sense for AJ to stay in wwe? Yes. 4 kids. Would it be worth for him to go to AEW and gamble his immediate well being. No. So wwe thinks they will settle with him soon or later like they did with Bryan D.
another interesting case is Goldust. Yes I asked. He’s contract is currently frozen due to injury. He wants to help his brother but sources say he wants to also stay and work in nxt. He’s loyal to Vince and wwe for helping him on his dark days And he doesn’t want to leave AEW fail and find himself out of income again. So don’t expect him to leave for those twitter trolls that are saying he’s leaving."
My source said AJ will get just enough it makes him stay in WWE. Not everything he asks for but enough
"getting Kenny Omega has countered WWE’s offer. Word is that he wants Rousey style schedule with off periods to rest and heal. Example every 90 days he wants 14 off. Wwe is thinking about it but doesn’t look possible so they might let him walk...."
Edit: I just got this from him as I asked if WWE soul focus is on Omega or if there's other people they are targeting at the moment. Essentially WWE ####ed themselves in the ### Roman
"Well the focus is Omega as they screwed themselves when the focus was only on Roman Reigns. The guy might not even wrestle again! They need a star someone that is already made. They have AJ but he can’t be the only one putting asses in seats so they Need Omega. Wwe needs more Omega than Omega needs them. But at the end this is a business so money talks and bull#### walks"
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DJackson10
Footballguy
Sometimes they don't. Nakamura simple dropped the IC Title. Gallows and Anderson just left not written off.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
JMO Face Lex would have flopped then just like he did in WWF later in early/mid 90s. Couldn't talk and obviously weren't watching him for his ring work. WCW got it right a couple years later with heel Lex with Harley Race as a mouthpiece IMO.
No one bought Lex as a baby face with his great look and lack of personality. No different from Roman of today. Have mentioned it a few times previously, but Roman was/is the modern day Lex Luger. Guys with great physique but zero connection with the crowd. Both need(ed) to heel it up with the "They're better than everyone else" rather than the underdog babyface nonsense when they're bigger than 95% of the roster. (Not singling them out because I think it's just as bad as having Rey Mysterio as the heavyweight champion for any duration of time beyond a fluke 1-2-3 Kid/Razor-like win)
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SlaX
Footballguy
Don't forget the Black Scorpion crap for the last half of the year.Ghost Rider said:
WCW always seemed to work better with a heel champ with the face chasing the belt. Ratings and ticket sales always dropped when the champ was a face. It didn't matter if it was Sting, Luger, Hogan, Garvin, etc. Ratings even dropped when Steamboat won the title, even though they were putting out the best product I can remember ever seeing.
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