But tim is also on record as condoning hypocrisy in general, so that makes his own hypocrisy non-hypocritical. It’s a bit of a paradox, but ultimately it checks out.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I'm a huge hypocrite and a liar. Mostly I lie to myself.timschochet said:
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I am such a hypocrite that I like to say that I am not a hypocrite, but rather that I am simply comfortable with paradox.Maurile Tremblay said:
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Individual posters can ignore individual posters. How about making it so thread creators could ignore certain posters for everyone in the thread? That would solve 90% of all the trolling and board cop bickering you have in here.
We can't get consistent moderating and you want us to self moderate by reporting, why not let the thread creators effectively moderate their own thread?
Jokes aside, what's the negative? We moderate ourselves by using ignore. We've been asked to help moderate by reporting. Think how many of the threads would improve dramatically if just a few of the repeat offenders couldn't show up. Joe's tried pleading with them, yet, you won't get ride of them when it falls deaf. Leave it up to the individual thread creators.
The second is a step up from the inconsistent moderation we get now and the absence of doing anything to the people who consistently ruin threads.
Individual posters can ignore individual posters. How about making it so thread creators could ignore certain posters for everyone in the thread? That would solve 90% of all the trolling and board cop bickering you have in here.
We can't get consistent moderating and you want us to self moderate by reporting, why not let the thread creators effectively moderate their own thread?
First sentence: I've noticed.
Jokes aside, what's the negative? We moderate ourselves by using ignore. We've been asked to help moderate by reporting. Think how many of the threads would improve dramatically if just a few of the repeat offenders couldn't show up. Joe's tried pleading with them, yet, you won't get ride of them when it falls deaf. Leave it up to the individual thread creators.
The first is untrue. Software can always be rewritten. You might mean impractical or expensive.
The second is a step up from the inconsistent moderation we get now and the absence of doing anything to the people who consistently ruin threads.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don’t like it.
I want to decide what posts I get to read. I don’t want you deciding that for me.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Yep, it's a terrible idea.
For one, certain people would put people they know have opposing viewpoints on ignore, thereby turning many threads into an echo chamber.
For two, certain people would rush to start a thread about everything, making "their" thread to go-to thread on the topic and thus giving them control over who discusses it.
Besides, just because you started a thread does not mean it is yours; it just means you started a thread about a topic.
Lastly, it does seem like the modding around here has gotten a lot better since @Joe Bryant became more hands-on and started posting regularly.
For one, certain people would put people they know have opposing viewpoints on ignore, thereby turning many threads into an echo chamber.
For two, certain people would rush to start a thread about everything, making "their" thread to go-to thread on the topic and thus giving them control over who discusses it.
Besides, just because you started a thread does not mean it is yours; it just means you started a thread about a topic.
Lastly, it does seem like the modding around here has gotten a lot better since @Joe Bryant became more hands-on and started posting regularly.
irish eyes
Footballguy
Note to all, no offensive nicknames for any female soccer players or adjectives for liberal politicians or you get banned. But it is ok to blatantly call people buffoons if you are on the other side and not get banned. I know this because these posts were very close together and the other person continued posting well after. Great job mods, keep up the hypocrisy.
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It's not me. It's the individual thread creators. Why would you want to go post somewhere if you knew your posts weren't welcome?
Bold - too late.
I could see the rush happening, hadn't thought of that. But it would be interesting to see who would do that. I have the feeling it's the same handful of posters that I'm talking about. Might work out just fine.
The Commish
Footballguy
I suspect this wouldn't go as envisioned. It would be a rude awakening for sure.
That already happens today when people start threads a year or more before the actual thing.
The Commish
Footballguy
Maybe....in my general experience, those that lacking in self awareness probably won't be phased by the realization, but I could be wrong about some
timschochet
Footballguy
That’s the beauty of it. You don’t know who has you on ignore. Those busy running around playing board cops might not even realize that no one is responding to them.Maybe....in my general experience, those that lacking in self awareness probably won't be phased by the realization, but I could be wrong about some
The Commish
Footballguy
Struggling to reconcile how you think this would work. If you don't know what threads you aren't part of how would you know you aren't able to participate in those threads? Word of mouth?
timschochet
Footballguy
Like you said. If you have some self awareness you could probably figure it out.
On the other hand what if it did let you know when you were being ignored?
It’s lack of and inconsistent moderation that allowed it to get to this point.
We already and have been asked to self moderate by using ignore and report. This just takes it one step further.
The Commish
Footballguy
Even the most self aware people can't know what they don't know. That's completely illogical
Personally? I'm a consider the source guy. Depending on the person I might care and would cause me to reflect a bit. With many I wouldn't care at all.
sho nuff
Footballguy
You went over the line multiple times man. It was almost as of you were begging to be banned.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Since you continue to post mostly about me...I will respond.
First off...the idea of the full ignore won't work. Because of the bias people have on this board. The moderators don't want the keys to a thread in the hands of people who just don't like the other side. For example, people who want others banned for liking a post, or asking a question (as you have recently complained about).
Second...stop with the board cop stuff. Lately it seems all you do is play board cop complaining about me. Its also old when some of the same people throw the same thing "board cop" out while not even realizing its what they are doing.
Third...the not responding thing. If that were true...at least two people here you think would have gotten a clue. Instead of I have a couple followers who seem to only try to get me to snap and break the rules so they can get me banned. One of them responding just earlier that I don't answer questions. No crap I don't answer questions of people Ive told I won't resond to over and over and over. Yet they still reply and still ask me questions (and its easy to see those even when you ignore someone because people still quote them). If you want consistency...the reason Id say there is bias...is never do those kind of people get called out for their actions by those that are "on their side". Instead, some of you all even agree with them with what they are doing.
If you see something I post where I insult someone, report it. If you see where I violate the TOS...report it. If not, quit complaining about me so much. Im hear to discuss topics. And if I ask a question its because Im interested in the answer. If I ask for a link, its because Id like to see the source and am interested as it may be something I haven't read yet. Unliike some, I don't ask things to fish...I think fishing for reactions from people I don't know would be a monumental waste of time. So discuss the topics...and if you don't want to hear from me or respond to me...say so and put me on ignore. Unlike others, I won't follow you around trying to get you to react.
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knowledge dropper
Footballguy
You have to realize as a poster that does not adhere to the groupthink and groupspeak you become a target. The crew is going to mash the report button on you for jaywalking. The few guys remaining on the right aren’t that trigger happy.
Joe once alluded to 6 immediate reports on someone calling AOC an “idiot.” If name calling like that on Trump insults were reported, nobody would get anything done
Sadly, your views make you a target
When no one ever responded to your demands you might be smart enough to figure it out. But, the more I think about it, it should tell you when you are on ignore. If people saw that I had them on ignore and it prompted them to stop responding to me I might actually start using that feature.Even the most self aware people can't know what they don't know. That's completely illogical
Personally? I'm a consider the source guy. Depending on the person I might care and would cause me to reflect a bit. With many I wouldn't care at all.
Even if you didn't care, it would still serve the purpose of cleaning up the threads.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I don't think anyone should be banned or suspended for calling a politician a buffoon or worse, so long as the insult isn't based on race, gender, religion, nationality, etc. and isn't crude. Politicians knowingly sign up for that when they run for office, and calling them foolish or stupid or cruel or ignorant or whatever is pretty standard stuff.
But do you really not understand the difference between that and "offensive nicknames for female soccer players"? Come on, man.
Bold - That's great, but, that's not how I understand the rules around here. And crude is pretty subjective.
The soccer player in question (I'm assuming it's Rapinoe) put herself out there for public scrutiny when she took the stances that she did. She's now a little bit more than a female soccer player, right?
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I agree, that's not how I understand the rules around here. I disagree with the rules around here, but it's not my forum so politely stating my disagreement is all I can do.
I disagree with the notion that people who aren't in politics taking political positions amounts to some sort of consent to be insulted. And even if it is, there's still a difference between calling someone a "buffoon" and anything I'd describe as an "offensive nickname." Perhaps if I knew the offensive nickname in question I'd feel differently, but I suspect it was a reference to her appearance, gender, sexuality or something like that; IMO that sort of thing isn't OK even for politicians.
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Yeah, maybe you (we) need to know the nickname before we jump to conclusions. She's analogous to Kaepernick now though, and should be open to public scrutiny. In the Kaep thread every nickname was reported endlessly until we couldn't use anything other than his proper name to refer to him. Maybe we should try that with Trump because he isn't held to the same standards around here.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I disagree that kneeling and answering media questions honestly (Rapinoe only commented on Trump and visiting the White House when asked) makes someone akin to a politician in terms of public scrutiny. I don't think it's healthy to treat the choice not to demonstrate unquestioned loyalty to the song or flag of a nation as more political than choosing to demonstrate loyalty in that manner. In my opinion they're both political acts, neither more than the other even though one obviously draws attention the other does not because it puts you in the minority.
Otherwise I agree with you; I assumed the nickname was actually offensive since it was described as such, and most of the Kaepernick nicknames were harmless and the reaction to them was pretty silly IMO.
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There is always going to be a large segment of the population that will take issue with the Anthem and Flag, you know that going in. That's always been my most critical comment about Kaep, much better ways to get the message out without being divisive yourself.
Enough thread hijack tho, what do you think about thread creators being able to use the ignore feature on a thread wide basis?
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rockaction
Footballguy
I'll chime in. I like your work, but don't like the idea.
irish eyes
Footballguy
It had nothing to do with her appearance, gender,or sexuality. But I'm not going to say it again or we'll have to get out the box of tissues for the offended parties. As I said, i get it, different standards for different posters. All depends on your views if you'll be banned or not.
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Politician Spock
Footballguy
This is my thread. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My thread is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
Without me, my thread is useless. Without my thread, I am useless. I must post my thread true. I must post straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must post him before he posts me. I will ...
My thread and I know that what counts in war is not the posts we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit ...
My thread is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my thread clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will ...
Before God, I swear this creed. My thread and I are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.
So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but peace!
My thread is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
Without me, my thread is useless. Without my thread, I am useless. I must post my thread true. I must post straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must post him before he posts me. I will ...
My thread and I know that what counts in war is not the posts we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit ...
My thread is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my thread clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will ...
Before God, I swear this creed. My thread and I are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.
So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but peace!
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
If it makes you feel any better I'm pretty far to the left and I've been banned repeatedly over the last few months, each time for something almost comically innocuous. Once for a broad reference to trolling in general that was wrongly characterized as a false accusation of trolling, once for a false accusation of trolling (irony alert!) that was then amended to "not being excellent" because I accurately described hypocrites in the media and politics who amplify anti-semites and then accuse others of anti-semitism as "garbage," and once for literally just repeating the title and thesis of this article which appeared in a widely respected centrist magazine.
There's plenty of room for criticism of policies, and perhaps for having different standards for different posters. But it definitely doesn't have anything to do with your views or political leanings.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Not everyone brings up the fact that they have been banned so I don't know how you can make claims like this. I can a day for calling a poster a turd. I meant it in a fun way. I call my kids little turds all the time. I never complained or brought it up right after I returned.
dkp993
Footballguy
Oh the irony of this post. You do realize (or don’t I guess) that when you complain about the “echo chamber” or how unfair the modding is this is exactly what you’re describing above.
To be crystal clear I’m not saying that you’re not welcome here, I personally prefer the different opinions here as that’s why I come to these threads, but it the effects are the same. My point being not “feeling welcomed” will not change a person’s personality or posting style, this has been proven here 100x over.
squistion
Footballguy
It would be a dream come true for posters like Hell Toupee who over a half dozen times tried to create safe space threads that didn't allow any disagreement. They all failed miserably and then he either changed the thread title so people couldn't find it in a search or nuked the thread.
The purpose of this forum is supposed to be political discussion. If you can limit who and what can be posted, you end up with a propaganda thread preaching to the choir and of no value to anyone. If you don't want any disagreement, then go to TownHall or Free Republic on the right and Democratic Underground or DKos on the left.
This idea is unrealistic and unworkable. If allowed it would be the beginning of the end of this forum because every page would be a collection of competing threads devoted to "members only" and would not be a real discussion of any issue, idea or person.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
That's because you went into each of them and told him you were going to hijack it because you don't like his posting style.
apalmer
Footballguy
I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for creating this thread so that all the whining and bickering over how unfair life and/or the mods are and who's trolling whom can be conglomerated in one place. It doesn't completely remove all that nonsense from the other threads, but every little bit helps.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
That isn't remotely true.
Take the original Trump Tweets Thread that Hell Toupee started. At its inception, HT demanded that only tweets by Trump and those in his orbit be allowed (like Gorka and Coulter). In addition only positive things (or cheerleading) about what Trump tweeted could be posted. Negative comments were not welcome and people who did so were asked to leave and go to other threads.
That was not a posting style, that was a control freak trying to dictate the entire content of a thread.
All I and others did was to give our commentary and opinion on the individual Trump tweets. That was not a hijacking of the thread since it related directly to the subject matter of the thread, which was Trump's tweets. When he couldn't have his way, HT had the expected cursing meltdown, changed the thread title to "Adios Amigos" and then immediately nuked the thread.
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