***Official PSF Moderation Thread*** (2 Viewers)

[Ramblin Wreck]

That isn't remotely true.

Take the original Trump Tweets Thread that Hell Toupee started. At its inception, HT demanded that only tweets by Trump and those in his orbit be allowed (like Gorka and Coulter). In addition only positive things (or cheerleading) about what Trump tweeted could be posted. Negative comments were not welcome and people who did so were asked to leave and go to other threads.

That was not a posting style, that was a control freak trying to dictate the entire content of a thread. 

All I and others did was give to our commentary and opinion on the individual Trump tweets. That was not a hijacking of the thread since it related directly to the subject matter of the thread,  which was Trump's tweets. When he couldn't have his way, HT had the expected meltdown and changed the thread title to "Adios Amigos" and then immediately nuked the thread.

Wrong.  Here's two examples of you hijacking his threads from the beginning.  The first one is absolutely in retaliation.

Here he starts a thread and asks for it to stay cordial.  Your response is "I'll keep it as cordial as you do any thread that I start."  Total hijack effort on your part.

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/776672-maga-the-maga-universe/?do=findComment&comment=21968296

Here he starts another thread.  Of course you're one of the first 5 replies with another trolling thread hijack

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/767578-walkaway-movement-from-the-democrat-party—-deniers-are-blind-to-the-facts/?do=findComment&comment=21162211

 

[Don't Noonan]

Wrong.  Here's two examples of you hijacking his threads from the beginning.  The first one is absolutely in retaliation.

Here he starts a thread and asks for it to stay cordial.  Your response is "I'll keep it as cordial as you do any thread that I start."  Total hijack effort on your part.

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/776672-maga-the-maga-universe/?do=findComment&comment=21968296

Here he starts another thread.  Of course you're one of the first 5 replies with another trolling thread hijack

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/767578-walkaway-movement-from-the-democrat-party—-deniers-are-blind-to-the-facts/?do=findComment&comment=21162211

 

[squistion]

Wrong.  Here's two examples of you hijacking his threads from the beginning.  The first one is absolutely in retaliation.

Here he starts a thread and asks for it to stay cordial.  Your response is "I'll keep it as cordial as you do any thread that I start."  Total hijack effort on your part.

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/776672-maga-the-maga-universe/?do=findComment&comment=21968296

Um, it isn't a hijack to directly respond to what was specifically said in OP  

I was just telling him that I would show the same degree of respect and courtesy to his threads that he has always shown to mine (and you should be aware of how respectful he has always been in any thread that I have started).

 

[Politician Spock]

Fake News.

Yes, yes.... I was being sarcastic, obviously. 

Hopefully I wasn't been so sarcastic that the point that anyone who feels they need so much control over a thread they create, as to need to put certain posters on ignore so that their replies don't show to anyone, needs to go to a psychiatrist, if only so that they can report back to us what psychological condition they suffer from. 

 

[tonydead]

Oh the irony of this post.   You do realize (or don’t I guess) that when you complain about the “echo chamber” or how unfair the modding is this is exactly what you’re describing above.   

To be crystal clear I’m not saying that you’re not welcome here, I personally prefer the different opinions here as that’s why I come to these threads, but it the effects are the same.  My point being not “feeling welcomed” will not change a person’s personality or posting style, this has been proven here 100x over.   

Thanks. The beauty of my suggestion is you can keep me out of your thread topics if you want. That’s ok with me. 

I agree the different opinions are good, that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m taking about the posters that start personal pissing matches everyday that ruin thread. I disagree people wouldn’t be motivated to be better posters in order to participate. 

 

[tonydead]

It would be a dream come true for posters like Hell Toupee who over a half dozen times tried to create safe space threads that didn't allow any disagreement. They all failed miserably and then he either changed the thread title so people couldn't find it in a search or nuked the thread.

The purpose of this forum is supposed to be political discussion. If you can limit who and what can be posted, you end up with a propaganda thread preaching to the choir and of no value to anyone. If you don't want any disagreement, then go to TownHall or Free Republic on the right and Democratic Underground or DKos on the left.

This idea is unrealistic and unworkable. If allowed it would be the beginning of the end of this forum because every page would be a collection of competing threads devoted to "members only" and would not be a real discussion of any issue, idea or person.

Thanks for the input. What I’m proposing is just a simple addiction to the self moderation we’ve already been asked to do. We already ignore on an individual basis. Not how you characterized it. 

And there is no need to get personal and call out other posters. 

 

[tonydead]

If 95% of the people had those posters on ignore it would accomplish the same thing.

I agree. How do we get this done?  One simple solution is to let the thread creator decide. 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Without singling anybody out, I think most (over half) of the people who post in this forum can't be trusted with any type of moderation power.  Nothing good is coming to come from letting thread-creators moderate their own threads.

 

[tonydead]

Snowflakes still gonna 

One asked that a person be banned just for liking a post! It is amazing the lengths they'll go to in order to avoid a conflicting opinion.

How is this type of name calling of posters allowed?  

 

[tonydead]

Without singling anybody out, I think most (over half) of the people who post in this forum can't be trusted with any type of moderation power.  Nothing good is coming to come from letting thread-creators moderate their own threads.

We already ignore people and have been asked to report. We have already been asked to self moderate, and report anything we see over the line. 

I’m not suggesting full moderation control, just a simple ignore function for the thread just like we have for individual posters. 

 

[tonydead]

That's a bad solution.  

Go on...,

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

We already ignore people and have been asked to report. We have already been asked to self moderate, and report anything we see over the line. 

I’m not suggesting full moderation control, just a simple ignore function for the thread just like we have for individual posters. 

Seriously, you should start a FaceBook group.  That way you can be very specific about who you want to allow to post.

 

[tonydead]

Yes, yes.... I was being sarcastic, obviously. 

Hopefully I wasn't been so sarcastic that the point that anyone who feels they need so much control over a thread they create, as to need to put certain posters on ignore so that their replies don't show to anyone, needs to go to a psychiatrist, if only so that they can report back to us what psychological condition they suffer from. 

The discussions would be much better without the individual pissing matches that happen here every damn day. 

 

[tonydead]

Seriously, you should start a FaceBook group.  That way you can be very specific about who you want to allow to post.

No way I will ever be on Facebook. 

I could start my own forum and mock members over. here though. 

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

No way I will ever be on Facebook. 

I could start my own forum and mock members over. here though. 

Sounds like you have it all worked out

Good luck in your future endeavors.

 

[tonydead]

Maurile already said it's not possible with the this board.  Sure someone could re-code it, but then it's not a 'simple' solution as you claim.  

Given that people complain about echo chambers in here constantly, I would imagine a significant number of threads would turn into exactly that.  Cliques would be created, on both sides, which would limit discussion.  You already have the ability to exclude these posters from your own personal experience without disrupting others.  If you are upset that posters are quoting your ignored posters while in pissing matches, then I suggest you expand your ignore list to the people constantly quoting the people you don't want anything to do with.

The usually isn’t as difficult or costly as you’d think. I order changes to similar programs all the time. But who knows. 

I think you could be right on the second point, but, I’m guessing it’s a few bad actors that might make a change for the better. Most people come here for some sort of debate in my opinion and welcome different views, without the pissing matches. 

 

[tonydead]

Sounds like you have it all worked out

Good luck in your future endeavors.

lol, I’m sure you understood my reference. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

If you found that you were unable to participate in a few threads would that make you change your posting behavior in hopes that you were more welcome?  I think this might just revolutionize this place. 

It would balkanize and tribalize it, it's bad enough already.

The best thing this place (TSP, FFA, here, all of it) does is bring people together of opposite POV's, different parts of the country, to hash things out. - In TSP sometimes people love it when homers chime in, but some people hate it because they are cheerleading or have blinders on. But if someone has something important to say because they watched a game that's great. People just get too emotional here.

 

[dkp993]

Thanks. The beauty of my suggestion is you can keep me out of your thread topics if you want. That’s ok with me. 

I agree the different opinions are good, that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m taking about the posters that start personal pissing matches everyday that ruin thread. I disagree people wouldn’t be motivated to be better posters in order to participate. 

Putting aside the exclusionary nature of what you’re suggesting (which I strongly disagree with) I have yet to see any proof of your bolded premise here.  In fact there are countless cases that prove the opposite, including some of the people you are referencing when coming up with this ideas.  Those people have not curtailed their behavior one bit in the threads where they are clearly “not welcomed”.  Making them feel more unwelcome will not drive change.   

 

[The Commish]

The Trump HQ thread, AOC thread and Mueller thread seem to be creating a buffer sufficient for me.  Keep all that nonsense in those threads and it frees the others up nicely.  Don't fix what ain't broke.

ETA:  Not sure how I forgot about the Kaep thread...that sucker's been doing some major lifting since its inception.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

The Trump HQ thread, AOC thread and Mueller thread seem to be creating a buffer sufficient for me.  Keep all that nonsense in those threads and it frees the others up nicely.  Don't fix what ain't broke.

ETA:  Not sure how I forgot about the Kaep thread...that sucker's been doing some major lifting since its inception.

Almost every thread has the same crap in it.  People only point it out based on who is doing it

 

[The Commish]

Almost every thread has the same crap in it.  People only point it out based on who is doing it

I can only speak to the threads I am generally active in.  None of them are having the issues those threads I listed are having.  And if there is a dust up, it comes and goes quickly.  The others you can check in and come back a few weeks later and it still be the same nonsense going on.  I guess productive dialogue COULD be happening in between and I just have bad luck, but I doubt it.  Between who's the bigger troll and/or bigger board cop it's never ending in those threads.

 

[ShamrockPride]

It would be a dream come true for posters like Hell Toupee who over a half dozen times tried to create safe space threads that didn't allow any disagreement. They all failed miserably and then he either changed the thread title so people couldn't find it in a search or nuked the thread.

The purpose of this forum is supposed to be political discussion. If you can limit who and what can be posted, you end up with a propaganda thread preaching to the choir and of no value to anyone. If you don't want any disagreement, then go to TownHall or Free Republic on the right and Democratic Underground or DKos on the left.

This idea is unrealistic and unworkable. If allowed it would be the beginning of the end of this forum because every page would be a collection of competing threads devoted to "members only" and would not be a real discussion of any issue, idea or person.

Yeah, well this is just false. I've seen Joe himself "ban" people out of threads because they disagreed with the thread topic, and as such the thread essentially became a safe space. I won't drop names but I absolutely have 1 specific instance in mind.

 

[dkp993]

Almost every thread has the same crap in it.  People only point it out based on who is doing it

This is true because there are people on both sides doing it.  

 

[tonydead]

The Trump HQ thread, AOC thread and Mueller thread seem to be creating a buffer sufficient for me.  Keep all that nonsense in those threads and it frees the others up nicely.  Don't fix what ain't broke.

ETA:  Not sure how I forgot about the Kaep thread...that sucker's been doing some major lifting since its inception.

So your solution is to hope people stay in certain threads that you aren't interested in and hope they stay out of those you are.  Hmmm.  Sounds exactly like what I'm proposing except you wont have to hope. 

 

[tonydead]

Putting aside the exclusionary nature of what you’re suggesting (which I strongly disagree with) I have yet to see any proof of your bolded premise here.  In fact there are countless cases that prove the opposite, including some of the people you are referencing when coming up with this ideas.  Those people have not curtailed their behavior one bit in the threads where they are clearly “not welcomed”.  Making them feel more unwelcome will not drive change.   

Telling them they are not welcome and putting them on ignore are two very different things.  Suppose some bored person decides to go trolling -  Telling them they are not welcome is a reward for their behavior.  Putting them on ignore stops their behavior, whether they decide to stop trolling or not.  My theory is they might just stop.

 

[tonydead]

It would balkanize and tribalize it, it's bad enough already.

The best thing this place (TSP, FFA, here, all of it) does is bring people together of opposite POV's, different parts of the country, to hash things out. - In TSP sometimes people love it when homers chime in, but some people hate it because they are cheerleading or have blinders on. But if someone has something important to say because they watched a game that's great. People just get too emotional here.

I think what you and some of the other people are saying is that you think the thread ignore function would be abused.  And that's the best argument against that I've heard so far.  I don't believe that for the most part though.  We all know it's just a handful of posters that do the same thing day after day getting in pissing matches, be honest.  We could easily get rid of that.

 

[dkp993]

Telling them they are not welcome and putting them on ignore are two very different things.  Suppose some bored person decides to go trolling -  Telling them they are not welcome is a reward for their behavior.  Putting them on ignore stops their behavior, whether they decide to stop trolling or not.  My theory is they might just stop.

I, nor you, never said to tell someone they weren’t welcomed.  Your point (post below) was that if someone finds themself unwelcomed they should learn to post better.  My point was this isn’t likely to happen and there are tons of examples here showing it doesn’t work that way.  

If you find yourself not welcome post better. Problem solved. 

 

[tonydead]

I, nor you, never said to tell someone they weren’t welcomed.  Your point (post below) was that if someone finds themself unwelcomed they should learn to post better.  My point was this isn’t likely to happen and there are tons of examples here showing it doesn’t work that way.  

Those aren't examples when they are clearly two different things.  If it doesn't happen it still serves the purpose of cleaning up the threads.  

 

[sho nuff]

I think what you and some of the other people are saying is that you think the thread ignore function would be abused.  And that's the best argument against that I've heard so far.  I don't believe that for the most part though.  We all know it's just a handful of posters that do the same thing day after day getting in pissing matches, be honest.  We could easily get rid of that.

Here is what started this all..

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/776645-trump-2020-hq-the-great-place/?do=findComment&comment=22009695

And everyone can read what led ti it by following the discussion...and follow that the question was never actually answered.

When asked how that was playing board cop...

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/776645-trump-2020-hq-the-great-place/?do=findComment&comment=22009824

Calling for me to be banned.  That on top of getting mad because i liked a post...and because I pointed out that someone edited their post .

I agree that leas pissing matches would be great.  It starts with people not getting personal and pissed off when asked legitimate questions on a topic.

Ive done my best to stay on topic when replying to the topic.  I typically don't initiate the personal stuff...but do reply to some of it and defend myself.  An exception the other day when someone asked what name someone used to post under and i made a comment. And even that was called out by another poster and a mod.

If more would do that more the other way with the crap that gets thrown around from their “own side” things would get better.

But to get mad being asked a question  and call for people to be banned for doing so or liking posts and then complain about pissing matches when you initiate them as much as anyone is laughable.

If you don't like me...ignore me.  Just quit constantly talking about me.

 

[Herb]

If you don't like me...ignore me.  Just quit constantly talking about me.

THIS. For the love of all that is holy...

THIS.

Most of these issues would go away if  a dozen people would just put Sho on ignore.

 

[The Commish]

So your solution is to hope people stay in certain threads that you aren't interested in and hope they stay out of those you are.  Hmmm.  Sounds exactly like what I'm proposing except you wont have to hope. 

"hope" seems to be doing some heavy lifting here....I'm not sure I care about this "problem" nearly as much as you do.  I don't care who comes into what thread or what they say there.  It's just much nicer when the threads aren't muddied up with all the nonsense bickering about who the bigger troll is or who's playing board cop the best.   

 

[sho nuff]

THIS. For the love of all that is holy...

THIS.

Most of these issues would go away if  a dozen people would just put Sho on ignore.

I get it.  Some won’t like me. Won’t like my style. Won’t like me questioning them or asking for links.

But then to accuse me of just trolling, or calling for me to be banned?  

If I dont like someone or I find theirnposting something i don’t  want to read...I ignore it.  I dint bring them up and talk and complain about them constantly while getting into crap with them.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I get it.  Some won’t like me. Won’t like my style. Won’t like me questioning them or asking for links.

But then to accuse me of just trolling, or calling for me to be banned?  

If I dont like someone or I find theirnposting something i don’t  want to read...I ignore it.  I dint bring them up and talk and complain about them constantly while getting into crap with them.

Posty says Hi

 

[rockaction]

Watching you guys repeat this same conversation for years is an instruction in group living that I've found estimable. 

 

[timschochet]

Why is this thread always on the front page? 

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Why is this thread always on the front page? 

Because you just bumped it?

Why do you click on it?

 

[timschochet]

Because you just bumped it?

Why do you click on it?

I thought there might be something new. But no just the same old silliness. 

 

[rockaction]

I thought there might be something new. But no just the same old silliness. 

I'm a pretty emotional guy, have my own issues, but you'd think that after all these years...

 

[tonydead]

THIS. For the love of all that is holy...

THIS.

Most of these issues would go away if  a dozen people would just put Sho on ignore.

I’m taking about a bit larger issue. But, if one person causes dozens of posters to go on ignore that’s a problem that ought to not be ignored. 

 

[Sheriff Bart]

Watching you guys repeat this same conversation for years is an instruction in group living that I've found estimable. 

It's like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest the board. 

 

[tonydead]

Why is this thread always on the front page? 

It’s a dam interesting idea. Would be a great social experiment. We should try it. 

 

[Don't Noonan]

Best.      Thread.       Ever.   

 

[GoBirds]

I’m taking about a bit larger issue. But, if one person causes dozens of posters to go on ignore that’s a problem that ought to not be ignored. 

Imagine if someone on the “other side” used the same schtick nipping at everyone’s ankles that don’t agree telling them how wrong they are 24/7. 

How long would that last in here. 

 

[bostonfred]

Out of curiosity, is anyone posting in this thread under 40? 

 

[knowledge dropper]

Out of curiosity, is anyone posting in this thread under 40? 

Who’s old?

 

[tonydead]

The solution doesn't get much simpler.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Out of curiosity, is anyone posting in this thread under 40? 

Imagine being in your mid-40s and getting worked up about moderation on a magic football website.

 

[rockaction]

Imagine being in your mid-40s and getting worked up about moderation on a magic football website.

I'm not going to lie. I have gotten worked up about it before. To do so every day over the same issues and people, though, and to then rehash it every day in every argument seems like...

well, I hope we're not just lonely is all. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?