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Official Robert Griffin III - RGIII RG3 (1 Viewer)

Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Coach Jay Gruden confirmed Robert Griffin has the starting job "right now."

Assuming the Redskins don't shock the world and snag a quarterback at No. 5 overall, Griffin will run as the first-string quarterback through the offseason program. It doesn't necessarily mean he'll be under center come Week 1. Gruden, who benched a wildly ineffective RG3 last year, won't hesitate to turn to Kirk Cousins or Colt McCoy. "He's got the starting job right now," Gruden said Monday. "Hopefully he takes it and runs with it."

Related: Colt McCoy, Kirk Cousins

Source: CSN Washington
Mar 26 - 7:48 AM
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Gruden: Redskins not afraid to hit 'reset button' at QB

 
So a DC sports radio station yesterday (or maybe the day before) put odds on who would be the week 1 QB starter for the Redskins. I think RG3 was 5-2. Cousins was 3-1. Rivers was 10-1. Rookie was 5-1. Other was the balance (I think these numbers were right). If you were a betting man, where would your money be?

 
matttyl said:
So a DC sports radio station yesterday (or maybe the day before) put odds on who would be the week 1 QB starter for the Redskins. I think RG3 was 5-2. Cousins was 3-1. Rivers was 10-1. Rookie was 5-1. Other was the balance (I think these numbers were right). If you were a betting man, where would your money be?
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Rivers?

Wouldn't mind that happening if we didn't overpay.

 
(HULK) said:
matttyl said:
So a DC sports radio station yesterday (or maybe the day before) put odds on who would be the week 1 QB starter for the Redskins. I think RG3 was 5-2. Cousins was 3-1. Rivers was 10-1. Rookie was 5-1. Other was the balance (I think these numbers were right). If you were a betting man, where would your money be?
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Rivers?

Wouldn't mind that happening if we didn't overpay.
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It would cost the #5 pick. He's only signed for one more year and is refusing to extend his deal with SD. Would you be willing to give up the #5 for possibly 1 year of Rivers?

 
Snotbubbles said:
(HULK) said:
matttyl said:
So a DC sports radio station yesterday (or maybe the day before) put odds on who would be the week 1 QB starter for the Redskins. I think RG3 was 5-2. Cousins was 3-1. Rivers was 10-1. Rookie was 5-1. Other was the balance (I think these numbers were right). If you were a betting man, where would your money be?
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Rivers?

Wouldn't mind that happening if we didn't overpay.
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It would cost the #5 pick. He's only signed for one more year and is refusing to extend his deal with SD. Would you be willing to give up the #5 for possibly 1 year of Rivers?
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ZERO chance the Skins would do that. Draft picks are worth a whole lot more these days.

As a Skins fan, I'd boycott if they made a deal that dumb.

 
matttyl said:
So a DC sports radio station yesterday (or maybe the day before) put odds on who would be the week 1 QB starter for the Redskins. I think RG3 was 5-2. Cousins was 3-1. Rivers was 10-1. Rookie was 5-1. Other was the balance (I think these numbers were right). If you were a betting man, where would your money be?
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If Rivers won't sign an extension with San Diego (which could simply be posturing), he certainly wouldn't do it with the Redskins.

Also, the general feeling on San Diego talk radio (fed by the "expert" talking heads) is that if Tennessee tried to trade for him, they would have to give the #2 pick plus more to get him (extension assumed).

 
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I'd think RG3 would have to be atrocious in the preseason to not start Week 1, so I'd put my money on him. I'd be far less confident if you asked me if he'd start after the bye week though - I'd imagine he has one of the shortest leashes of any starter. IMO Gruden doesn't like him, but pressure from Snyder/Allen probably means he has to go out and perform poorly before Gruden can pull him.

I am not sure if I believe they're actually interested in Mariota, I tend to think they put that out there because they need to make it look like they're interested to possibly move the pick. It does seem somewhat feasible though, with a new GM and Gruden pretty clearly disappointed with the QB play last year.

 
Ted Mullins said:
I'd think RG3 would have to be atrocious in the preseason to not start Week 1, so I'd put my money on him. I'd be far less confident if you asked me if he'd start after the bye week though - I'd imagine he has one of the shortest leashes of any starter. IMO Gruden doesn't like him, but pressure from Snyder/Allen probably means he has to go out and perform poorly before Gruden can pull him. I am not sure if I believe they're actually interested in Mariota, I tend to think they put that out there because they need to make it look like they're interested to possibly move the pick. It does seem somewhat feasible though, with a new GM and Gruden pretty clearly disappointed with the QB play last year.
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I pretty much agree with this. Wash is in a good portion to potential trade their pick if someone is serious about moving up for Mariota and he's still available. Jumping ahead of NYJ would be a wise move for such a team. It behoves Wash to talk up the price of the pick and put it out there that Mariota is on their radar. Maybe he really is.

 
Ted Mullins said:
I'd think RG3 would have to be atrocious in the preseason to not start Week 1, so I'd put my money on him. I'd be far less confident if you asked me if he'd start after the bye week though - I'd imagine he has one of the shortest leashes of any starter. IMO Gruden doesn't like him, but pressure from Snyder/Allen probably means he has to go out and perform poorly before Gruden can pull him.

I am not sure if I believe they're actually interested in Mariota, I tend to think they put that out there because they need to make it look like they're interested to possibly move the pick. It does seem somewhat feasible though, with a new GM and Gruden pretty clearly disappointed with the QB play last year.
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I think this is spot on. Everything Gruden says and does suggest that he feels forced to play RGIII. It's reasonable to expect that he will take any credible reason to yank the leash.

I wouldn't trust the Mariotta stuff. Since when do NFL teams announce their early-round QB targets so openly? Even the Redskins are not that incompetent. Mariotta is also not the type of QB Gruden likes. He wants to kick out RGIII and replace him with a Dalton-like passer and Mariotta is not a close enough comparable. I'd be more willing to buy the Rivers trade idea than Mariotta drafting.

It's hard to imagine things in DC getting on the right track until one of Gruden or RGIII is gone.

 
cstu said:
Griffin is still too stubborn to slide properly and until he does there's little hope of him having a long career.
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While I am very unsure about Griffin's long-term NFL future, this article is from last November; we have no idea if he has spent all off-season practicing his slides (I doubt it) & has perfected the art. Citing it on March 30th as evidence that he is still too "stubborn to slide properly" is ridiculous at best, and intentionally mis-leading at worse.

Furthermore, the article itself shows a play where Griffin didn't slide (he dove forward to try to get extra yards) and says "this is not how you safely slide to end a quarterback scramble." No ####-it wasn't a slide, period. If I showed a video of Pat McAfee kicking a FG and said "this is not proper technique for punting a football," my statement would be accurate, but it wouldn't have any value, and neither does this article.

 
Bayhawks said:
cstu said:
Griffin is still too stubborn to slide properly and until he does there's little hope of him having a long career.
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While I am very unsure about Griffin's long-term NFL future, this article is from last November; we have no idea if he has spent all off-season practicing his slides (I doubt it) & has perfected the art. Citing it on March 30th as evidence that he is still too "stubborn to slide properly" is ridiculous at best, and intentionally mis-leading at worse.

Furthermore, the article itself shows a play where Griffin didn't slide (he dove forward to try to get extra yards) and says "this is not how you safely slide to end a quarterback scramble." No ####-it wasn't a slide, period. If I showed a video of Pat McAfee kicking a FG and said "this is not proper technique for punting a football," my statement would be accurate, but it wouldn't have any value, and neither does this article.
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That was the only video example I could find. He actually got better at sliding last year but there are at least two others play I saw last year where he unnecessarily dove forward like that. The problem is that he has a RB's mentality when he runs and waits too long to decide to slide.

What I liked about Mariota is he looks to pick up the easy yards running but if he senses someone around him he instantly slides. It will be difficult for Griffin to change his mentality running the ball - hope it doesn't take another serious injury for him to get it.

 
cstu said:
Bayhawks said:
cstu said:
Griffin is still too stubborn to slide properly and until he does there's little hope of him having a long career.
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While I am very unsure about Griffin's long-term NFL future, this article is from last November; we have no idea if he has spent all off-season practicing his slides (I doubt it) & has perfected the art. Citing it on March 30th as evidence that he is still too "stubborn to slide properly" is ridiculous at best, and intentionally mis-leading at worse.

Furthermore, the article itself shows a play where Griffin didn't slide (he dove forward to try to get extra yards) and says "this is not how you safely slide to end a quarterback scramble." No ####-it wasn't a slide, period. If I showed a video of Pat McAfee kicking a FG and said "this is not proper technique for punting a football," my statement would be accurate, but it wouldn't have any value, and neither does this article.
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That was the only video example I could find. He actually got better at sliding last year but there are at least two others play I saw last year where he unnecessarily dove forward like that. The problem is that he has a RB's mentality when he runs and waits too long to decide to slide.

What I liked about Mariota is he looks to pick up the easy yards running but if he senses someone around him he instantly slides. It will be difficult for Griffin to change his mentality running the ball - hope it doesn't take another serious injury for him to get it.
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Agree 100%. The "problem" I had was with the wording of the post; before I clicked the link, I assumed it was a more recent piece of news. After reading the article, I was disappointed in the article itself; it was very biased and poor journalism. The 2nd clip in the article suggests that Griffin almost "separated his shoulder" after an INT, when in fact, he barely made contact with the defender after the INT.

 
cstu said:
What I liked about Mariota is he looks to pick up the easy yards running but if he senses someone around him he instantly slides. It will be difficult for Griffin to change his mentality running the ball - hope it doesn't take another serious injury for him to get it.
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Hmmmm. Why would it be difficult to change the mentality running the ball? Learning to slide and actively deciding to do so don't strike me as particularly difficult tasks. Certainly, there is / was certainly a crazy reluctance by RGIII to do so, but I doubt it would be too difficult to pull off, should he ever mature enough to see the value.

 
Zdravko said:
cstu said:
What I liked about Mariota is he looks to pick up the easy yards running but if he senses someone around him he instantly slides. It will be difficult for Griffin to change his mentality running the ball - hope it doesn't take another serious injury for him to get it.
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Hmmmm. Why would it be difficult to change the mentality running the ball? Learning to slide and actively deciding to do so don't strike me as particularly difficult tasks. Certainly, there is / was certainly a crazy reluctance by RGIII to do so, but I doubt it would be too difficult to pull off, should he ever mature enough to see the value.
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Ask Randall Cunningham, who I compared him to coming out. In this video Cunningham still complains that Kotite wanted him to be a pocket passer who completes 70% of his passes so he could stay healthy. Yet it wasn't until he was 35 when he couldn't run like he once did that he became an All-Pro QB (only had 32 rush attempts in 1998). Some guys can't get the idea out of their head that they need to make big plays with their legs.

 
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Griffin is a strange case because he still runs a fair amount and makes such little attempt to protect himself, yet outright lobbied to not run the option plays anymore. Kinda seemed to me like he wanted to change their playbook so he could be known as a "pocket passer" instead of doing things that were working well.

I say this as a Redskins fan who wants to see him succeed (even if it's somewhere else), I have a really hard time seeing him succeed with Gruden this year. I listen to a decent amount of sports radio so maybe I got too pulled in by the drama, but the play calling and the way Gruden spoke about Griffin really made me feel Gruden had no interest in adapting to what Griffin can do well and was basically fine with letting him fail to prove a point. Griffin obviously has a long way to go as a passer but the situation felt very adversarial to me, whereas there's usually more of a compromise due to an understanding that the QB and coach's fates are intertwined.

 
RG3 so far is incapable of learning an NFL offense, the shanahans literally used his college playbook his rookie year. right now its like RG3 is playing out of position going from the art briles offense to the gruden west coast offense, briles is a fast paced find the open man and make dynamic throws on the run while grudens is make your quick drop back and get rid of the ball into the same spot on each route every damn time (1.4 secs after snap throw the ball 14 yards from los and 6 yards from sideline). its why those ridiculous dalton to aj green into triple coverage throws worked because only green knew exactly where to high point the ball since it will always be in the same place. gruden even took the scheme down to high school fundamental reads for RG3 and he still flopped. he just doesnt get it, and there was no real progress during the season to think he will suddenly pick it up.

id love to go back to play action read option because at least it was fun to watch, but im not going to blame gruden for instilling his proven scheme. and cant blame RG3 either for being asked to play completely differently than he has his entire life. just sick of the ####### scheme turnover where everything gets blown up every few years and suddenly everyone is out of position, like drafting orakpo to put his hand in the dirt then switching the 4-3 to 3-4 and making him play LB and cover routes. right now gruden is taking one of the leagues best ZBS and turning it into a subpar PBS, and just when he is done converting the offense over to PBS west coast he will get canned and some new guy will come in that uses the run and shoot with an amoeba defense. smh.

 
Rotoworld:

Robert Griffin III - QB - Redskins

Robert Griffin III will get together with Redskins pass catchers in Florida next week for a round of offseason workouts.

Many -- if not all -- quarterbacks around the league do this, but it's nice to see RGIII taking charge and getting together with his receiving corps. His attention to detail and classroom habits have been brought into question the past couple years. Taking a new approach this season, RGIII says "it's not talking about it; it's about being about it." He sits atop the depth chart for the time being.

Source: Mike Jones on Twitter

Apr 10 - 8:38 AM
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Zdravko said:
cstu said:
What I liked about Mariota is he looks to pick up the easy yards running but if he senses someone around him he instantly slides. It will be difficult for Griffin to change his mentality running the ball - hope it doesn't take another serious injury for him to get it.
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Hmmmm. Why would it be difficult to change the mentality running the ball? Learning to slide and actively deciding to do so don't strike me as particularly difficult tasks. Certainly, there is / was certainly a crazy reluctance by RGIII to do so, but I doubt it would be too difficult to pull off, should he ever mature enough to see the value.
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Watch R.Wilson slide. He is very comfortable giving up on a play early because he has the confidence and trust of the rest of the guys. He knows he'll get it done the next play or the next series or whatever. RG3 doesn't have that confidence so he feels like he has to hit the big homerun every time he scrambles. So he ends up with awkward slides at the last second or none at all.

 
Synthesizer said:
Zdravko said:
cstu said:
What I liked about Mariota is he looks to pick up the easy yards running but if he senses someone around him he instantly slides. It will be difficult for Griffin to change his mentality running the ball - hope it doesn't take another serious injury for him to get it.
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Hmmmm. Why would it be difficult to change the mentality running the ball? Learning to slide and actively deciding to do so don't strike me as particularly difficult tasks. Certainly, there is / was certainly a crazy reluctance by RGIII to do so, but I doubt it would be too difficult to pull off, should he ever mature enough to see the value.
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Watch R.Wilson slide. He is very comfortable giving up on a play early because he has the confidence and trust of the rest of the guys. He knows he'll get it done the next play or the next series or whatever. RG3 doesn't have that confidence so he feels like he has to hit the big homerun every time he scrambles. So he ends up with awkward slides at the last second or none at all.
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Or it has nothing to do with anything confidence related and he's just really bad at sliding.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Synthesizer said:
Zdravko said:
cstu said:
What I liked about Mariota is he looks to pick up the easy yards running but if he senses someone around him he instantly slides. It will be difficult for Griffin to change his mentality running the ball - hope it doesn't take another serious injury for him to get it.
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Hmmmm. Why would it be difficult to change the mentality running the ball? Learning to slide and actively deciding to do so don't strike me as particularly difficult tasks. Certainly, there is / was certainly a crazy reluctance by RGIII to do so, but I doubt it would be too difficult to pull off, should he ever mature enough to see the value.
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Watch R.Wilson slide. He is very comfortable giving up on a play early because he has the confidence and trust of the rest of the guys. He knows he'll get it done the next play or the next series or whatever. RG3 doesn't have that confidence so he feels like he has to hit the big homerun every time he scrambles. So he ends up with awkward slides at the last second or none at all.
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Or it has nothing to do with anything confidence related and he's just really bad at sliding.
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He is one of the most elite athletes on the planet. He can slide.

 
Synthesizer said:
Zdravko said:
cstu said:
What I liked about Mariota is he looks to pick up the easy yards running but if he senses someone around him he instantly slides. It will be difficult for Griffin to change his mentality running the ball - hope it doesn't take another serious injury for him to get it.
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Hmmmm. Why would it be difficult to change the mentality running the ball? Learning to slide and actively deciding to do so don't strike me as particularly difficult tasks. Certainly, there is / was certainly a crazy reluctance by RGIII to do so, but I doubt it would be too difficult to pull off, should he ever mature enough to see the value.
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Watch R.Wilson slide. He is very comfortable giving up on a play early because he has the confidence and trust of the rest of the guys. He knows he'll get it done the next play or the next series or whatever. RG3 doesn't have that confidence so he feels like he has to hit the big homerun every time he scrambles. So he ends up with awkward slides at the last second or none at all.
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Well, he plays for the Redskins, doesn't he - he has to hit the homerun, or else :)

I think you are more or less making the same point. If he decides he wants to slide, doing it won't be a problem. What's there to teach? The challenge is changing his mindset, and Gruden surely doesn't seem to be going about it very well.

 
Zdravko said:
Synthesizer said:
Zdravko said:
cstu said:
What I liked about Mariota is he looks to pick up the easy yards running but if he senses someone around him he instantly slides. It will be difficult for Griffin to change his mentality running the ball - hope it doesn't take another serious injury for him to get it.
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Hmmmm. Why would it be difficult to change the mentality running the ball? Learning to slide and actively deciding to do so don't strike me as particularly difficult tasks. Certainly, there is / was certainly a crazy reluctance by RGIII to do so, but I doubt it would be too difficult to pull off, should he ever mature enough to see the value.
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Watch R.Wilson slide. He is very comfortable giving up on a play early because he has the confidence and trust of the rest of the guys. He knows he'll get it done the next play or the next series or whatever. RG3 doesn't have that confidence so he feels like he has to hit the big homerun every time he scrambles. So he ends up with awkward slides at the last second or none at all.
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Well, he plays for the Redskins, doesn't he - he has to hit the homerun, or else :)

I think you are more or less making the same point. If he decides he wants to slide, doing it won't be a problem. What's there to teach? The challenge is changing his mindset, and Gruden surely doesn't seem to be going about it very well.
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Maybe the difference comes from Wilson's background as a baseball player. Sliding just comes naturally to some players. I don't know what RG3s history is in regards to baseball, but that could have something to do with it.
 
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ebcpastor2004 said:
Zdravko said:
Synthesizer said:
Zdravko said:
cstu said:
What I liked about Mariota is he looks to pick up the easy yards running but if he senses someone around him he instantly slides. It will be difficult for Griffin to change his mentality running the ball - hope it doesn't take another serious injury for him to get it.
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Hmmmm. Why would it be difficult to change the mentality running the ball? Learning to slide and actively deciding to do so don't strike me as particularly difficult tasks. Certainly, there is / was certainly a crazy reluctance by RGIII to do so, but I doubt it would be too difficult to pull off, should he ever mature enough to see the value.
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Watch R.Wilson slide. He is very comfortable giving up on a play early because he has the confidence and trust of the rest of the guys. He knows he'll get it done the next play or the next series or whatever. RG3 doesn't have that confidence so he feels like he has to hit the big homerun every time he scrambles. So he ends up with awkward slides at the last second or none at all.
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Well, he plays for the Redskins, doesn't he - he has to hit the homerun, or else :)

I think you are more or less making the same point. If he decides he wants to slide, doing it won't be a problem. What's there to teach? The challenge is changing his mindset, and Gruden surely doesn't seem to be going about it very well.
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Maybe the difference comes from Wilson's background as a baseball player. Sliding just comes naturally to some players. I don't know what RG3s history is in regards to baseball, but that could have something to do with it.
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There are times when Wilson literally just sits down on his butt. Sliding isn't some advanced technique. The QB just needs to decide to do it early enough.

 
Falcons OC Kyle Shanahan talks QBs from Matt Ryan to Johnny Manziel

Excerpt:

Robert Griffin III (Washington Redskins): "Robert as a rookie, he was the first time I had to deal with a guy from a different system. He played in a system, with the zone read, that was just different football than in the NFL. I knew he was going to be our guy, so I spent a lot of time really studying and trying to put together an offense that fit him but still fit into our system. That was really fun for me. It was tough at first because I was studying stuff that I wasn't always that into. We got like a 200-play cut-up of every zone-read clip that Cam Newtonhad, (Tim) Tebow had. We went back to a few that Vince Young had. Even a guy like Tyler Thigpen, who did a few in Kansas City. Then I tried to develop how we could do it. We did it all out of the pistol so we could run the rest of our offense. It was fun to put something together that made sense, but we weren't totally sure if it would work. Once we went through that season, it did work. It was a lot of fun. And we were No. 1 in the NFL in yards per play. We were able to be a top-five rushing team. We had a lot of explosive passes off the play-action. It was a very fun year, and Robert was very good at it. He was uniquely fast and had a big arm. He had world-class speed. The zone read was a track race to the sideline, so it made him special at it.''
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Rotoworld:

Coach Jay Gruden said Robert Griffin III did an "excellent job every day" during OTAs and minicamp.

We'd normally brush off this kind of standard coachspeak, but Gruden wasn't afraid to express his displeasure with Griffin last year. For now at least, it appears the coach is in RG3's corner. "When you have the same system going in for year two, I think he’s going to get better," Gruden said. "You can see the progress every day that he makes, and it’s exciting to watch." Griffin will be starting Week 1 in his make-or-break fourth NFL season.

Source: Washington Times
Jun 22 - 7:50 AM
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I'm watching this one play out because I think it has HUGE ff impact potential. Although I am not an owner anywhere in leagues, IF RG III looks anything like what he flashed in his rookie season, he, along with Garcon and Reed (if healthy) and a few others might be great steals.

It can certainly go either way, but you can kind of get RG III for next to nothing right now if you are trading any name player at all and he's the perfect age/talent to where, IF he can just start to get it back together, its akin to picking up Tony Romo off waivers years ago in where you have this "guy" who becomes "the guy" for his team and just steadily gives you a lot of production.

 
Rotoworld:

Robert Griffin III - QB - Redskins

Redskins coach Jay Gruden said he's seen growth in Robert Griffin III under new QBs coach Matt Cavanaugh.

Last year that position was filled by Gruden himself. Cavanaugh has been coaching in the league since 1995, winning a Super Bowl with the Ravens in 2000. "Bringing all that knowledge and experience, I think its helping everybody," said Griffin. The Redskins already picked up Griffin's fifth-year option so 2015 isn't a make or break season, but it's close.

Source: Richmond Times-Dispatch

Jul 5 - 8:24 AM
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