*** Official *** Rogue One - A Star Wars Story (1 Viewer)

[Skoo]

I think it was painfully obvious that Luke is Rey's father. Her insane level of force sensitivity and the connection to Luke's light saber etc. I think Leia knows and that is why she allows Rey to take the MF to go get Luke.

The more time I watch, the more sure I am that she's Luke's kid. Unless they're REALLY trying to throw us off.

This has probably been discussed but I didn't pick it up the first time - After Rey grabs the lightsaber and has the vision, she's out in the hallway with whoever that old chick is that runs the place. Rey tells her that she has to go home, because her family is going to come back for her. She says that "there is still one that could" and Rey reponds, "Luke?".

Of course this isn't a definitive answer, but why would Rey even mention Luke? Because of the visions she had?

 

[Joe Summer]

I think it was painfully obvious that Luke is Rey's father. Her insane level of force sensitivity and the connection to Luke's light saber etc.

That light saber was owned by Anakin before it was owned by Luke...

edit: and Obi-Wan had it in his possession for around 20 years as well.

 

[Aerial Assault]

 . . . and it was used to slaughter a whole band of Tusken Raiders.  Which I'm trying to ignore because the rest of it was so perfect. 

My money is on her being Luke's kid; given how the Jedi Order ultimately fared before he, Obi-Wan and Yoda brought it back, perhaps he saw no real need to continue some of its monastic traditions. 

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Ah, I love debates like this.  And you're right.   

Best as I can remember her pertinent lines about the Bothans (I really liked the actress and the gravitas she conveyed):

"The data brought to us by [the] Bothan spies pinpoints the exact location of the Emperor's new battle station . . . many Bothans died to bring us this information."  Ackbar then steps up and details the attack plan, and Madine follows with his "We have stolen a small Imperial shuttle" bit, but to the best of my recollection, no one ever says how they devised the tactics of their attack plan.  Figuring out that the shield was located on Endor (dumb) was probably part of the Bothans' info dump, but as to how they figured out how to destroy the reactor, including Wedge needing to hit the "power regulator on the north tower," as far as I know no one ever explains this.  

Touche

 

[Insein]

Rey is born around 12 years after the events of Rogue One. So Jyn could theoretically be Rey's mom (assuming that Jyn isn't killed off).

So Rey's 25? I thought she was 18 in TFA.

 

[Buzzbait]

My kids are 5 (girl) and 3 (boy).  For the past 6-7 months I've opened up my laptop to let them watch the 10-ish minute YouTube clip of that battle.  They love it, and it features just about every central character so they have a frame of reference when they look at the poster in my office (I have a beautiful, original Empire Strikes Back poster from Argentina) or play with a few of the toys I've bought them.

The AT-AT Hoth scene and the lightsaber battle at the end of TPM are two of the best. As crappy as TPM is it's saving grace is that duel between Darth Maul vs Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon.

 

[NewlyRetired]

So Rey's 25? I thought she was 18 in TFA.

Rey was born 11 years after the battle of Endor, so that makes her in the 18 to 19 range.

 

[Chadstroma]

That light saber was owned by Anakin before it was owned by Luke...

edit: and Obi-Wan had it in his possession for around 20 years as well.

Anakin is her grandfather. Luke her father. Both being basically the top of the echelon for being force sensitive.

Obi-Wan doesn't work in a number of ways- easiest being when he dies and Rey's age. Unless Obi-Wan force ghost got it on with some chick.

 

[Chadstroma]

The more time I watch, the more sure I am that she's Luke's kid. Unless they're REALLY trying to throw us off.

This has probably been discussed but I didn't pick it up the first time - After Rey grabs the lightsaber and has the vision, she's out in the hallway with whoever that old chick is that runs the place. Rey tells her that she has to go home, because her family is going to come back for her. She says that "there is still one that could" and Rey reponds, "Luke?".

Of course this isn't a definitive answer, but why would Rey even mention Luke? Because of the visions she had?

I think there are only two possible answers here.... 1) Luke is Rey's father. 2) They are trying to work very hard in making us think that to then give us a shocker later along the lines of a "No. I am your father." moment.

 

[Sinn Fein]

It makes perfect sense for Jyn to be Rey's mother and either Obi-Wan or Luke to be her father.  With Jyn having a questionable past, Rey's image of that ship flying away in TFA when she was a kid could have been her mother being captured and taken away by a bounty hunter/Empire.

I think she could be the mother - but the more logical assumption is that she was left intentionally on Jakku.  My guess is that she was a child training to be a jedi - when things went bad, and the survivors were sent to the far reaches of the galaxy, and the jedi training was put to sleep - so to speak.  So, when Snoke says there has been an awakening - he is talking about one of the children who had been trained - awakening their force/jedi skills.  I expect that we will learn of several other jedi children who come into play in the next movie.

 

[Insein]

Rey was born 11 years after the battle of Endor, so that makes her in the 18 to 19 range.

So Summer is wrong then. She's born about 18 years after Rogue one.

 

[matttyl]

So this movie isn't one of the official movies.  Apparently there have been quite a few like this where they are out of the same "universe", but not part of any trilogy.  Any of the already made ones worth watching?

 

[Sinn Fein]

This lists Rey as a 19-yo scavenger in TFA

According to this - Rouge One takes place in Star Wars year 32, Rey would have been born in year 47.

 

[Skipdog77]

So this movie isn't one of the official movies.  Apparently there have been quite a few like this where they are out of the same "universe", but not part of any trilogy.  Any of the already made ones worth watching?

Rogue One is the first "anthology/story"-type Star Wars movie that isn't part of the trilogies. There are several others planned for the next few years, but this will be the first.  Unless you are talking about the Clone Wars or Rebels cartoon series?

 

[Rustoleum]

Well, yea....

I would expect Jyn to be on Rogue when Luke joins and then that is how they meet.

The actress who plays Jyn could pass for a relative of the actress who plays Rey. I can't think that that was accident.

I think it was painfully obvious that Luke is Rey's father. Her insane level of force sensitivity and the connection to Luke's light saber etc. I think Leia knows and that is why she allows Rey to take the MF to go get Luke.

It took me a second to translate MF. At first I was confused as to why you were so pissed off at that light saber....

 

[Rustoleum]

Of course, if it was Mace Windu and not Leia sending Rey on her quest, that's pretty much exactly how I imagine the conversation taking place.

 

[Capella]

So this movie isn't one of the official movies.  Apparently there have been quite a few like this where they are out of the same "universe", but not part of any trilogy.  Any of the already made ones worth watching?

What? This is the first movie like this. 

 

[NewlyRetired]

Rogue One is the first "anthology/story"-type Star Wars movie that isn't part of the trilogies. There are several others planned for the next few years, but this will be the first.  Unless you are talking about the Clone Wars or Rebels cartoon series?

Maybe he is just having a laugh here and talking about something silly like Star Wars Holiday Special or the Battle for Endor?

 

[bcdjr1]

Ah, I love debates like this.  And you're right.   

Best as I can remember her pertinent lines about the Bothans (I really liked the actress and the gravitas she conveyed):

"The data brought to us by [the] Bothan spies pinpoints the exact location of the Emperor's new battle station . . . many Bothans died to bring us this information."  Ackbar then steps up and details the attack plan, and Madine follows with his "We have stolen a small Imperial shuttle" bit, but to the best of my recollection, no one ever says how they devised the tactics of their attack plan.  Figuring out that the shield was located on Endor (dumb) was probably part of the Bothans' info dump, but as to how they figured out how to destroy the reactor, including Wedge needing to hit the "power regulator on the north tower," as far as I know no one ever explains this.  

They had the plans from the first Death Star.  Considering how long it took to build the first one, the second was probably pretty far along in construction when the events of ANH occurred, and so it was likely very similar in design.  In ANH, they had to fly down a trench and shoot into the exhaust port because the Death Star had been completed.  The second Death Star was still under construction, so rather than having to make a nearly impossible shot to get proton torpedos down the shaft to the reactor, they could just fly directly into the thing to the reactor and take it out.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

There's a pretty cool Darth Maul fan film on YouTube. Like 15 minutes long. 

 

[bcdjr1]

Anakin is her grandfather. Luke her father. Both being basically the top of the echelon for being force sensitive.

Obi-Wan doesn't work in a number of ways- easiest being when he dies and Rey's age. Unless Obi-Wan force ghost got it on with some chick.

The prevailing theories are that either Luke is her father, or Obi-Wan is her grandfather, having had at least one child at some point between episodes III and IV.

ETA:  The lightsaber thing goes toward her being Luke's kid, but the ghostly message from Obi-Wan saying she's taken her first step into a larger world hints that she may be descended from him.

 

[Aerial Assault]

The AT-AT Hoth scene and the lightsaber battle at the end of TPM are two of the best. As crappy as TPM is it's saving grace is that duel between Darth Maul vs Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon.

I could not agree more on both counts.  The Battle of Hoth speaks for itself.  The lightsaber duel between the two Jedi and Maul is freaking amazing from start to finish.  I love the little touches like Maul Force-pushing a piece of debris to crash into the door controls to open it behind him as he retreats near the beginning, his strategic separation of the two Jedi on several occasions by kicking one of them out of the way, and Obi-Wan's little feint towards Maul - sort of a ballestra lunge - before Qui-Gon saber locks him and they all jump to the next area of the Theed reactor room or whatever that is.  

 

[Aerial Assault]

They had the plans from the first Death Star.  Considering how long it took to build the first one, the second was probably pretty far along in construction when the events of ANH occurred, and so it was likely very similar in design.  In ANH, they had to fly down a trench and shoot into the exhaust port because the Death Star had been completed.  The second Death Star was still under construction, so rather than having to make a nearly impossible shot to get proton torpedos down the shaft to the reactor, they could just fly directly into the thing to the reactor and take it out.

Sure, your explanation makes perfect sense.  I just wish someone had actually SAID something just like that onscreen.  "Construction of this Death Star is not as far advanced as the first, so its weaknesses and vulnerabilities are obvious, and the means to its destruction will be fully accessible once the shield is deactivated."  Still, the movie is pretty fast-moving at that point so it's not a big deal.     

 

[bcdjr1]

I could not agree more on both counts.  The Battle of Hoth speaks for itself.  The lightsaber duel between the two Jedi and Maul is freaking amazing from start to finish.  I love the little touches like Maul Force-pushing a piece of debris to crash into the door controls to open it behind him as he retreats near the beginning, his strategic separation of the two Jedi on several occasions by kicking one of them out of the way, and Obi-Wan's little feint towards Maul - sort of a ballestra lunge - before Qui-Gon saber locks him and they all jump to the next area of the Theed reactor room or whatever that is.  

I disagree on this.  That saber duel ends horribly.  Maul had won.  Kenobi is hanging, unarmed, in a pit, while Maul stands over him with an ignited saber.  And then Maul just does nothing.  He could've ended that battle and killed Kenobi several ways, but instead he decided to wait and watch as Kenobi force-pulls a lightsaber to him, flips out of the pit, and cuts him in half.  He doesn't even have the decency to block the killing blow.  Did he have a stroke or something?

ETA:  Actually, I know exactly what happened to him.  He had so many ways to kill Kenobi and win that fight that he got lost trying to decide which one to use.  He was so distracted trying to choose that Obi-Wan was able to take him by surprise.  It's like spiking the football on the one-yard line.

 

[Aerial Assault]

Enh, that's never bothered me.  The 20-30 seconds of Obi-Wan and Maul fighting one on one is so frigging good that I don't care about how it ends. 

 

[Insein]

I disagree on this.  That saber duel ends horribly.  Maul had won.  Kenobi is hanging, unarmed, in a pit, while Maul stands over him with an ignited saber.  And then Maul just does nothing.  He could've ended that battle and killed Kenobi several ways, but instead he decided to wait and watch as Kenobi force-pulls a lightsaber to him, flips out of the pit, and cuts him in half.  He doesn't even have the decency to block the killing blow.  Did he have a stroke or something?

ETA:  Actually, I know exactly what happened to him.  He had so many ways to kill Kenobi and win that fight that he got lost trying to decide which one to use.  He was so distracted trying to choose that Obi-Wan was able to take him by surprise.  It's like spiking the football on the one-yard line.

It wasn't represented well on film but basically that moment was supposed to show how much potential Obiwan had. He was basically so fast in that moment that Maul didn't expect it. It caught him off guard.

 

[AAABatteries]

It sounds like someone repeatedly stabbing Jar Jar Binks

In that case, I've changed my mind - I love it

 

[bcdjr1]

It wasn't represented well on film but basically that moment was supposed to show how much potential Obiwan had. He was basically so fast in that moment that Maul didn't expect it. It caught him off guard.

Surprising, then, that Maul lasted as long as he did against both Kenobi - not at a disadvantage - and Jinn.

 

[Aerial Assault]

Surprising, then, that Maul lasted as long as he did against both Kenobi - not at a disadvantage - and Jinn.

The novel hints at Obi-Wan using his rage and thus tapping into his true power level, almost using the Dark Side, after Qui-Gon is wounded.  The three prequels alternately did and did not successfully capture Obi-Wan's intended utter badassery on screen.  (Sometimes, he was defeated by things like Jango Fett's plot armor.)  As he was by far my favorite prequel character, it was a little frustrating, but on the whole he ends up looking pretty good in the three films, with defeats of two Sith under his belt. 

 

[Insein]

Surprising, then, that Maul lasted as long as he did against both Kenobi - not at a disadvantage - and Jinn.

Obiwan was technically still a Padawan then. He was inexperienced but held great raw potential. So the fact that he held his own against a Sith Lord was incredible. That moment of clarity is somewhat akin to what we saw with Rey in TFA where he got a super power up for that brief moment he honed in the force. The difference is that he had been trained with the force since he was 3 years old. 

Basically by the end of Episode 3, Obiwan is the 2nd most powerful Jedi in the galaxy (yoda) and probably would have surpassed Windu if he didnt get chucked out a window (hehe Windu window).

 

[bagger]

What? This is the first movie like this. 

Forgetting the Christmas Special are we?

 

[Insein]

The novel hints at Obi-Wan using his rage and thus tapping into his true power level, almost using the Dark Side, after Qui-Gon is wounded.  The three prequels alternately did and did not successfully capture Obi-Wan's intended utter badassery on screen.  (Sometimes, he was defeated by things like Jango Fett's plot armor.)  As he was by far my favorite prequel character, it was a little frustrating, but on the whole he ends up looking pretty good in the three films, with defeats of two Sith under his belt. 

That too was just something that didn't translate well on screen. Jango is a normal man but is a complete bad ### as well. He is the original template for all the clones. The guy is a legendary commando. What should have been an epic battle between Jedi Master and ultimate warrior was only shown as two middle aged men fumbling about in the rain. 

 

[joey]

Rogue One is gonna be very very good. 

That is all. 

 

[moleculo]

so this is Star Wars minus Jedi, put plus maybe a ninja?

 

[tommyboy]

Whatever, looks awesome

 

[joey]

so this is Star Wars minus Jedi, put plus maybe a ninja?

A blind ninja at that. 

 

[NewlyRetired]

I love the sounds of this but I don't understand why he would be at the height of his powers at that early age. Sidious just grew more and more powerful. 

lets break this down from a time line perspective

Anakin was 9 in EP 1

Anakin was 20 in EP2

Anakin/Vader was 23 in EP3

Vader was 41 in EP4

Vader was 45 at Death*

In Rogue 1 he will be 40 years old.  He likely would have been at or near his peak considering his relatively young death in EP6.  Of course the incredibly poor fight scene Lucas directed in EP4 between Obi and Darth makes it a bit tricky on just how powerful they can make Vader look one year earlier.

*This is a bit of a continuity issue that Lucas caused in his casting choices of the prequels, since Sebastian Shaw was 78 when EP6 was released.

 

[Capella]

His early death in rogue one?

 

[NewlyRetired]

His early death in rogue one?

sorry typing too fast.  I fixed it.

 

[Billy Bats]

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[Capella]

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Page is gone. Can you give some detail of what it was 

 

[Billy Bats]

Page is gone. Can you give some detail of what it was 

Spoiler

 
Hmm must've gotten some legal threats. It was confirmation that Vader is in the movie with what appeared to be a legit screenshot from the movie of him on the deck of a star destroyer. Also told that the movie ends 10 minutes before the start of a new hope. There was a planet visible in the window of the star destroyer and they were speculating that it was tattooine at the end of the film. 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The official poster is AWESOME

 

[nirad3]

The official poster is AWESOME

Little brag action here... I have this poster in my office.  It's beautiful.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Little brag action here... I have this poster in my office.  It's beautiful.

My brother in law is Argentinian

 

[nirad3]

My brother in law is Argentinian

i'm watching the Bachelorette right now.  and they're in Argentina.

also, the sports nickname of my college... Gauchos.

the coincidences are just.... incredible!

 

[nirad3]

And now for something meaningful:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUb_zpdyDpU#action=share

 

[Capella]

And now for something meaningful:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUb_zpdyDpU#action=share

So good  

 

[Capella]

The official poster is AWESOME

I have to be honest. The level of not ####ing around Disney is doing with this franchise is incredible. I'm blown away. 

 

[Billy Bats]

Well that got me all kinds of fired up, enjoyed two cigarettes after that one. 

 

The shot of four storm troopers in the water. 

I saw someone that closely resembled Obi-Wan in the background. Wonder if it's him. 

Did Johnson take a little swipe at JJ when he said "if you don't do anything new or different, take a risk, then what are you bringing to the table?". 

All the while ramming home that this isn't a Lucas SW cartoon. This #### is legit.