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*** Official Russia vs. Ukraine Discussion - Invasion has begun *** (5 Viewers)

That’s from 2015 and in Russia but if a Ukrainian farmer gets inspired by seeing it then hell yeah man


I wonder how many tanks/vehicles that run out of fuel that Ukraine would be able to steal for themselves?  Probably easier to just destroy them but I think they have similar equipment so might know how to use them? 

 
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I wonder how many tanks/vehicles that run out of fuel that Ukraine would be able to steal for themselves?  Probably easier to just destroy them but I think they have similar equipment so might know how to use them? 
I'm pretty sure they have a lot of similar equipment.....this was the reason behind the Russians putting white Z's all over their rolling stock

 
From what I understand, even the Russians there don’t want to be part of Russia. 
Well after this week can you blame them? Not exactly a solid "welcome to the dictatorship" so far.

while having a smoke as well.  awesome  
I haven't smoked since 2001 but I'm pretty sure I'd fire up a heater if I decided to pick up a live mine and reposition it on the other side of the road. Probably take a swig of vodka to boot. Not sure how these guys are so lithe with their movements swinging a pair like they all seem to have though?

 
I never thought of “Wartime Mayor” as being a thing but this Mayor of Kyiv guy seems like the right man for the job eh

Sky news

 
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And their president is a former actor / comedian who used to play the president on TV.
I’ve seen clips of him from their version of dancing with the stars. My man has some moves. Do not even think about a dance off Viad, you’ll lose.

 
Ukraine should have played it more neutral and dropped the NATO ambitions.  Putin is a mad man that wasn't playing around.  Leaders should be negotiating for whatever causes the least bloodshed, not sending weapons for Ukrainians to get slaughtered. 

 
Ukraine should have played it more neutral and dropped the NATO ambitions.  Putin is a mad man that wasn't playing around.  Leaders should be negotiating for whatever causes the least bloodshed, not sending weapons for Ukrainians to get slaughtered. 
Because Russia didn't like it?  Russia has no say over what Ukraine does.  That's the whole point of being a "sovereign" nation.  The entire conflict is that Putin has always believed Ukraine was part of Russia.  He is the problem, not Ukraine's desire to be in NATO.

This sounds like someone telling a battered wife she should have just kept her mouth shut so it didn't make her husband mad and then he wouldn't have beaten her.

 
I think there are 3 current or former HW champions of the world defending Kyiv right now 
I’ve met Wladimir before(probably told this story), he had a fight in Feb. 2008 in NYC, but was training in Florida. One of his crew calls the pool I’m working at, says he’s looking for a place to do some different training. I say sure, and he comes in every few days for about a month in late 2007, and Wladimir Klitschko, who was the heavyweight champ at the time, spent time working in his punching drills underwater. Must have helped, because he won the fight. Super nice guy, by the way. Not an ounce of fat on him, and as thanks, I got my photo taken with him, and he signed a boxing glove and gave it to me. It’s on my bookshelf as I type this.

 
For sure and countries like China might be quick to get over it. I would think Germany could last longer with some higher energy prices than Russia could get by with a Great Depression level event. But yes, a lot is up in the air. This has been going on for a couple of days but will be something that plays out over months and potentially years. 
I predict China will be the only bidder for BP's stake in Rosneft. And I bet its a low low winning bid. No European or US bidders will participate. Maybe India?

 
That is awful news. Let's not let military terms creep into language, either. It's not liquidation, it's killing and maybe murder. Maybe a war crime and an international one. 

Russia cannot possibly justify this on a world stage. What unhinged madness. This isn't the capture of Saddam. This is much worse. 

I can't help but think of the loose and untruthful justifications we gave countries with the second Iraq war. What a shame that is being used this way. 

 
NEXTA @nexta_tv

About 400 mercenaries of the private military company #WagnerGroup have been thrown into #Kyiv. 

This was reported by #TheTimes.

Their main goal is the liquidation of President #Zelensky.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498168377931665413?s=21
Wagner Group is believed to be a direct extension of the GRU.

Others believe it's mythological propaganda used to cover for Ministry of Defense murders. 

Owned by Yevgeny Prigozhin - Google is your friend.

 
Saw this earlier. Not gonna lie, his face, lip quivering, made me cry. 
honestly trying to recall another instance of (seemingly) near unanimous support for one side

drawing a blank but its probably happened

I'm usually keenly aware of gradations of culpability in any conflict, but to me this is one of the clearest white hat/black hat deals I've ever seen

 
honestly trying to recall another instance of (seemingly) near unanimous support for one side

drawing a blank but its probably happened

I'm usually keenly aware of gradations of culpability in any conflict, but to me this is one of the clearest white hat/black hat deals I've ever seen
It’s startling frankly. I grew up in the Cold War era. I can’t remember an event this polarizing, that had so much unanimous and crystal clear support.  There’s very little double speak going on. The truth is being spoken. It’s spooky weird and awesome. 
 

For Sweden and Switzerland to stray away from neutrality has never happened in my lifetime. 

 
Wagner Group is believed to be a direct extension of the GRU.

Others believe it's mythological propaganda used to cover for Ministry of Defense murders. 

Owned by Yevgeny Prigozhin - Google is your friend.
@JimmySecUK: This is Dmitry Utkin - callsign "Wagner" - the founder of the Kremlin's "Wagner Group" PMC.

Yes; that is a Nazi Eagle tattooed on his chest, and those are Nazi SS 'Schutzstaffel' runes tattooed on his collarbones. 

Because unlike Jewish Zelensky, Utkin really *is* a neo-Nazi. https://twitter.com/Josiensor/status/1498144151740764160 https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1498248431088939008/photo/1

 
@spectatorindex: BREAKING: Reports that Ukrainian troops on Snake Island who told Russian warship to 'go f*** yourself' are alive and were taken as prisoners

 
The nuance of Putin's exit strategy while remaining in power is just mind-blowing.  Interested in any updated endgame hypotheticals, the story is moving so fast but someone maybe had to have thought thru a situation like this.

What's Putin's lowest demand?  Crimea is annexed?  Would they go for that net of nothing else?  And isn't that a catastrophic loss for Russia?  

 
The nuance of Putin's exit strategy while remaining in power is just mind-blowing.  Interested in any updated endgame hypotheticals, the story is moving so fast but someone maybe had to have thought thru a situation like this.

What's Putin's lowest demand?  Crimea is annexed?  Would they go for that net of nothing else?  And isn't that a catastrophic loss for Russia?  


What is Russian financial end game? Stock market closed today. I have to think collapse of ruble leads to Putin downfall, but what do I know?

 
The nuance of Putin's exit strategy while remaining in power is just mind-blowing.  Interested in any updated endgame hypotheticals, the story is moving so fast but someone maybe had to have thought thru a situation like this.

What's Putin's lowest demand?  Crimea is annexed?  Would they go for that net of nothing else?  And isn't that a catastrophic loss for Russia?  
His people will be crushed economically in short order.  The ruble is becoming almost valueless and they jacked interest rates to 20%.  I know Putin is  strongman but I don't see any way he can hold down a populous so devastated financially for long. 

 
@JimmySecUK: This is Dmitry Utkin - callsign "Wagner" - the founder of the Kremlin's "Wagner Group" PMC.

Yes; that is a Nazi Eagle tattooed on his chest, and those are Nazi SS 'Schutzstaffel' runes tattooed on his collarbones. 

Because unlike Jewish Zelensky, Utkin really *is* a neo-Nazi. https://twitter.com/Josiensor/status/1498144151740764160 https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1498248431088939008/photo/1
They're also the bright fellas that got waxed in Syria by our boys https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html

Throughout all of this, from beginning to end, my big takeaway has been how bad the Russian forces have performed. Maybe I'm used to the incredible professionalism in our armed forces and our use of restrictive rules of engagement but man the Russians look bad.

 
They're also the bright fellas that got waxed in Syria by our boys https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html

Throughout all of this, from beginning to end, my big takeaway has been how bad the Russian forces have performed. Maybe I'm used to the incredible professionalism in our armed forces and our use of restrictive rules of engagement but man the Russians look bad.
It went something like this:

WASHINGTON: - Hey, there’s a bunch of mercs gathering in Syria speaking Russian. Your guys?

MOSCOW: Nope, not us.

WASHINGTON: Cool, cool. Just wanted to check with you before they get annihilated. 

 
Bigger than the Ukrainian playing chicken with a Russian convoy? Bigger than the Ukrainian marine who blew himself & a bridge he mined up to stop Russian tanks?

C’mon man
Thrown in prison, killed, family killed.  Yeah,  I stand by it. 

 
First, I want to thank @Jayrod for starting and helping people mind their p's and q's in here.  It's probably a daunting task.  You da man. :thumbup:   Also mad props to @massraider for his contributions.

My real intent here is to find out if there are children's charities operating on the ground.  If anyone has any links, would you please post them?  In a situation where I feel a need to contribute, I'd like to do what I can.  Thanks.

 

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