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While it may seem a mistake to make ADM the most expensive PL player, the fact is that Man United can easily absorb his cost. The cost/value analysis for United is much different than LFC buying Ballotelli.
Have appreciated your reminders on Man United's finances and buying power. It's easy to forget how much free cash flow they have if they want to spend it.
I think this goes well beyond whether they can absorb the fee. Of course they can but no matter how much free cash they have, they are going to have a limit.

And this reported fee has to chew up a significant amount of the transfer budget.

When you have players like Tom Cleverly starting for you, you gave to wonder if buying 3 $30m type players would be significantly more beneficial than blowing a good deal of your wad on one player (especially if the one player is not a top 5 player in world).

 
While it may seem a mistake to make ADM the most expensive PL player, the fact is that Man United can easily absorb his cost. The cost/value analysis for United is much different than LFC buying Ballotelli.
Have appreciated your reminders on Man United's finances and buying power. It's easy to forget how much free cash flow they have if they want to spend it.
I think this goes well beyond whether they can absorb the fee. Of course they can but no matter how much free cash they have, they are going to have a limit.

And this reported fee has to chew up a significant amount of the transfer budget.

When you have players like Tom Cleverly starting for you, you gave to wonder if buying 3 $30m type players would be significantly more beneficial than blowing a good deal of your wad on one player (especially if the one player is not a top 5 player in world).
Was more of a general comment. Cletius has posted several finance-related items over the last few months that were helpful.

In particular the reminder of just how big United are, and the long-term difference between teams that have wealthy owners willing to throw their own money in on an annual basis and those that generate enough income to compete through operations.

 
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Maybe we take it with a grain of salt, because Woodward said it, but Man U supposedly had a 200 million pound transfer kitty to work with. Meaning they can make this deal, complete the rumored deals for Blind, and De Jong, and still have some left over to work with. Particularly if they get some money back for Welbeck and/or Chicharito.

 
Although, I'm not seeing anything in the "news" that Rojo's WP has been denied - only that it has not been issued yet.
I saw it on ESPN's Transfer Talk blog.
Then there is a good chance I'll never find it in that morass

Latest article I saw was from the 22nd, just reporting that WP had not been issued in time for Sunderland game. Have not seen any of the usual British press pick up on that story, nothing on BBC, Telegraph reports he will miss the Cup game on Tuesday with "ongoing" work permit issues, even the Daily Mail, which will run anything, does not have any reports of the WP being denied.

 
Ugh, looks like Giroud is out for "weeks" with the ankle injury he picked up at the end of the Everton game. If they persist in starting Sonogo, I'd like to see Campbell on the left to help him out.

 
Although, I'm not seeing anything in the "news" that Rojo's WP has been denied - only that it has not been issued yet.
I saw it on ESPN's Transfer Talk blog.
Then there is a good chance I'll never find it in that morass

Latest article I saw was from the 22nd, just reporting that WP had not been issued in time for Sunderland game. Have not seen any of the usual British press pick up on that story, nothing on BBC, Telegraph reports he will miss the Cup game on Tuesday with "ongoing" work permit issues, even the Daily Mail, which will run anything, does not have any reports of the WP being denied.
The Telegraph is reporting (as of about 2 hrs ago) that he won't be eligible for the Capital One clash this week because of "ongoing delays." ESPN may have jumped the gun a bit as saying that means it's been denied.

 
Although, I'm not seeing anything in the "news" that Rojo's WP has been denied - only that it has not been issued yet.
I saw it on ESPN's Transfer Talk blog.
Then there is a good chance I'll never find it in that morass

Latest article I saw was from the 22nd, just reporting that WP had not been issued in time for Sunderland game. Have not seen any of the usual British press pick up on that story, nothing on BBC, Telegraph reports he will miss the Cup game on Tuesday with "ongoing" work permit issues, even the Daily Mail, which will run anything, does not have any reports of the WP being denied.
The Telegraph is reporting (as of about 2 hrs ago) that he won't be eligible for the Capital One clash this week because of "ongoing delays." ESPN may have jumped the gun a bit as saying that means it's been denied.
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I suspect its semantics - its a bank holiday in England today, so I doubt there is any official football business being done at whatever office approves WPs.

 
Although, I'm not seeing anything in the "news" that Rojo's WP has been denied - only that it has not been issued yet.
I saw it on ESPN's Transfer Talk blog.
Then there is a good chance I'll never find it in that morass

Latest article I saw was from the 22nd, just reporting that WP had not been issued in time for Sunderland game. Have not seen any of the usual British press pick up on that story, nothing on BBC, Telegraph reports he will miss the Cup game on Tuesday with "ongoing" work permit issues, even the Daily Mail, which will run anything, does not have any reports of the WP being denied.
The Telegraph is reporting (as of about 2 hrs ago) that he won't be eligible for the Capital One clash this week because of "ongoing delays." ESPN may have jumped the gun a bit as saying that means it's been denied.
Some are now saying that its just a matter of today being a UK bank holiday. But I did also see several people "reporting" that the permit was "denied" and "United will appeal."

 
I really doubt the WP would be denied on football grounds - he meets the 75% criteria. So, if it was really denied - then ManU would have a bigger problem, and a typical appeal would not help - it would probably be denied over the unresolved assault charge, and, if that were the case, Rojo would need to make that go away, before there would be a change in circumstance to warrant an appeal. Not sure if that is something he can buy his way out of or not, or how quickly that would take.

Maybe the appeal is that the assault was just a flesh wound.

 
While it may seem a mistake to make ADM the most expensive PL player, the fact is that Man United can easily absorb his cost. The cost/value analysis for United is much different than LFC buying Ballotelli.
Have appreciated your reminders on Man United's finances and buying power. It's easy to forget how much free cash flow they have if they want to spend it.
I think this goes well beyond whether they can absorb the fee. Of course they can but no matter how much free cash they have, they are going to have a limit. And this reported fee has to chew up a significant amount of the transfer budget.

When you have players like Tom Cleverly starting for you, you gave to wonder if buying 3 $30m type players would be significantly more beneficial than blowing a good deal of your wad on one player (especially if the one player is not a top 5 player in world).
United are not nearly as well off as people think. They're not going to go broke anytime soon, but things aren't today.

They didn't "have" the 200M laying around, they're in debt and sold shares to raise their transfer funds.

"Uniteds financial picture does not look quite as bright as the club paints it, despite income for the year ended 31 March 2014 £111m made at Old Trafford, £183m reaped by the sponsorships and other commercial sweating, and an extraordinary £128m from broadcasting income totalling £422m, by far an English football record.

Yet the Glazer debt for a club that had no borrowings before the takeover, is still about £342m and finance costs were another £53m, reducing pre-tax profits to £22m"

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/aug/20/glazers-thrive-manchester-united-flounder-ed-woodward

 
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In many important Real Madrid matches last year, Di Maria was their best player. 80mm euros is a lot, but he will be fun to watch with Mata and Rooney.

 
While it may seem a mistake to make ADM the most expensive PL player, the fact is that Man United can easily absorb his cost. The cost/value analysis for United is much different than LFC buying Ballotelli.
Have appreciated your reminders on Man United's finances and buying power. It's easy to forget how much free cash flow they have if they want to spend it.
I think this goes well beyond whether they can absorb the fee. Of course they can but no matter how much free cash they have, they are going to have a limit.And this reported fee has to chew up a significant amount of the transfer budget.

When you have players like Tom Cleverly starting for you, you gave to wonder if buying 3 $30m type players would be significantly more beneficial than blowing a good deal of your wad on one player (especially if the one player is not a top 5 player in world).
United are not nearly as well off as people think. They're not going to go broke anytime soon, but things aren't today.

They didn't "have" the 200M laying around, they're in debt and sold shares to raise their transfer funds.

"Uniteds financial picture does not look quite as bright as the club paints it, despite income for the year ended 31 March 2014 £111m made at Old Trafford, £183m reaped by the sponsorships and other commercial sweating, and an extraordinary £128m from broadcasting income totalling £422m, by far an English football record.

Yet the Glazer debt for a club that had no borrowings before the takeover, is still about £342m and finance costs were another £53m, reducing pre-tax profits to £22m"

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/aug/20/glazers-thrive-manchester-united-flounder-ed-woodward
There's no doubt that the LBO debt and Glazer management fees have kept United spending in check the past 8 years or so. I saw David Conn's article last week. He's a decent journo, but very much a doom/gloom guy when it comes to big spending trends in football. He's written 3 books, all bemoaning the effects of big money in English football. If you search his article history at the Guardian, you'll see a long history of criticism of United and the Glazers (when he's not writing about Hillsborough, by far his favorite topic.) This despite the fact that United has been the most successful English club during the Glazer's ownership. The fact is that the EPL is by far the wealthiest league in the world, and for me it is good news rather bad to see big stars coming to England for big transfer fees, especially considering that the last two EPL POY's are now in Spain. The numbers Conn cited are before the massive new Chevy and EPL television deals kicked in this year, and they have the new Adidas shirt deal which I think starts next season. I think United is positioned to dominate England in an FFP world.

 
Simeone received an 8 match ban....bad way to start the season.

United are ####### a disaster. Never thought I'd say it, but this is not a club moving in the right direction, at least in my view.

DiMaria a very nice player. But at that price? It's not the issue that United can afford him or not, but there is supposedly a budget, and this is taking money away from areas that they REALLY REALLY REALLY NEED.

Has anyone taken a look at that back line? Smalling/Keane/Jones? Thats a disaster out there and will be destroyed by teams with more talent than Sunderland.

And how about central midfield? Cleverly is perhaps the worst soccer player in England if not the entire world. He's absolutely useless and needs to never start again. Fletcher looks lost out there too. DiMaria going to solve this midfield crisis? the #### he is.

Did you see Sunderland allow United players to bring the ball upfield and just wait? It was ####### comical. Smalling would get the ball deep in United end and dribble, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 times till past midfield while Sunderland just sat around and watched. Smalling would distribute to a midfielder (Clerver#####) and almost on cue United would throw up all over themselves and give the ball away within seconds. Probably the most disgusting display of awfulness I've ever witnessed. And LvG has just shot himself in the foot by publicing outing players he no longer wants. WTF is gonna bid on Welbeck or Chicharito or Fellaini when LvG has pretty much said, you want them, you've got them. WTF is going on over there. And then bring on Januzaj to a central midfield role in place of Fletcher? Dude, how about playing players in position. Oh, let's leave Kagawa on the bench yet again because LvG feels he cannot create in the cmf role in his system. That's ####### fine that the coach has his system he wants to put in place and by no means am I on the let's get rid of LvG bandwagon, but dude, you're given a team, sometimes you need to throw players in positions for them to excel rather than hope that putting them out of position they'll adjust to your system.

I don't know if United bringing in DiMAria just want to try to outscore opponents or what, seems to me they've lost all vision going forward and trying to put bandaids on the springing dyke. Just a ####ign disaster.

 
Simeone received an 8 match ban....bad way to start the season.

United are ####### a disaster. Never thought I'd say it, but this is not a club moving in the right direction, at least in my view.

DiMaria a very nice player. But at that price? It's not the issue that United can afford him or not, but there is supposedly a budget, and this is taking money away from areas that they REALLY REALLY REALLY NEED.

Has anyone taken a look at that back line? Smalling/Keane/Jones? Thats a disaster out there and will be destroyed by teams with more talent than Sunderland.

And how about central midfield? Cleverly is perhaps the worst soccer player in England if not the entire world. He's absolutely useless and needs to never start again. Fletcher looks lost out there too. DiMaria going to solve this midfield crisis? the #### he is.

Did you see Sunderland allow United players to bring the ball upfield and just wait? It was ####### comical. Smalling would get the ball deep in United end and dribble, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 times till past midfield while Sunderland just sat around and watched. Smalling would distribute to a midfielder (Clerver#####) and almost on cue United would throw up all over themselves and give the ball away within seconds. Probably the most disgusting display of awfulness I've ever witnessed. And LvG has just shot himself in the foot by publicing outing players he no longer wants. WTF is gonna bid on Welbeck or Chicharito or Fellaini when LvG has pretty much said, you want them, you've got them. WTF is going on over there. And then bring on Januzaj to a central midfield role in place of Fletcher? Dude, how about playing players in position. Oh, let's leave Kagawa on the bench yet again because LvG feels he cannot create in the cmf role in his system. That's ####### fine that the coach has his system he wants to put in place and by no means am I on the let's get rid of LvG bandwagon, but dude, you're given a team, sometimes you need to throw players in positions for them to excel rather than hope that putting them out of position they'll adjust to your system.

I don't know if United bringing in DiMAria just want to try to outscore opponents or what, seems to me they've lost all vision going forward and trying to put bandaids on the springing dyke. Just a ####ign disaster.
I have no idea what United's finances really look like (my guess is the Glazer's manipulate them to look however they want, but that's me both hating the Glazers and being a cynic in general), but their product simply blows right now. Even if Di Maria is the second coming, they need to integrate him and that takes time and they're already have given up 5 points this year. It's all well and good to say they can buy their way out of this, but what happens if the miss the CL again?

Yes they can outspend the Everton's and Tottenham's of the world, but they can't outspend Citeh and Chelsea (both clubs that actually look like they have a plan in the transfer market). At some point they become a deteriorating asset (for sponsors) as all those "fans" become Liverpool or Citeh or Chelsea.

 
Simeone received an 8 match ban....bad way to start the season.
Atletico Madrid manager Diego Simeone banned for eight matches

Simeone, 44, was suspended four games for touching the linesman on the back of the head, two games for protesting, one game for applauding his sending off and one game for remaining in the stands instead of leaving the stadium following his dismissal.
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"The curious thing about Balotelli is that champagne corks are popped when he arrives and also when he leaves" - Sky Italia's Mario Sconcerti

 
In many important Real Madrid matches last year, Di Maria was their best player. 80mm euros is a lot, but he will be fun to watch with Mata and Rooney.
Agreed. I'd much rather face Rodríguez or Kroos than Di María. He lit up Atlético last year especially when he came in as a sub.
I've seen DiMaria over the years, but not really focused on him.

Is it fair to compare him to Ozil? Seems like he typically plays out on the flank, and when he's in the mood can destroy any player or team out there off the dribble or pass (he seems faster than Ozil... correct?). Also feel like they both just disappear (from the TV screen, at least) for loooong stretches and have no tangible impact on games until that one or two moments that can change it up.

 
"The curious thing about Balotelli is that champagne corks are popped when he arrives and also when he leaves" - Sky Italia's Mario Sconcerti
I saw something similar, but was along the lines of "Balotellis is the special kind of player that makes fans happy when he arrives and even happier when he leaves".

 
In many important Real Madrid matches last year, Di Maria was their best player. 80mm euros is a lot, but he will be fun to watch with Mata and Rooney.
Agreed. I'd much rather face Rodríguez or Kroos than Di María. He lit up Atlético last year especially when he came in as a sub.
And then he sucked in the WC so #### him.

Di Maria has proven he can take on a game when the defense is focussed on Ronaldo, Bale, and Benzema, and played in his favorite position. That is not what he is walking into at ManU. Not by a long shot.

 
In many important Real Madrid matches last year, Di Maria was their best player. 80mm euros is a lot, but he will be fun to watch with Mata and Rooney.
Agreed. I'd much rather face Rodríguez or Kroos than Di María. He lit up Atlético last year especially when he came in as a sub.
I've seen DiMaria over the years, but not really focused on him.

Is it fair to compare him to Ozil? Seems like he typically plays out on the flank, and when he's in the mood can destroy any player or team out there off the dribble or pass (he seems faster than Ozil... correct?). Also feel like they both just disappear (from the TV screen, at least) for loooong stretches and have no tangible impact on games until that one or two moments that can change it up.
This is from whoscored:

Ángel Di María's Style of Play
  • Plays the ball off the ground often
  • Likes to play long balls
  • Likes to cut inside
  • Likes to shoot from distance
  • Does not dive into tackles
Seems like he should have been on ManU last year to send in that killer cross.

 
Last year I watched an awful lot of games cold, especially in La Liga where I knew a grand total of Ronaldo and Messi. So I started with a blank slate and started evaluating the players with no preconceptions. Di Maria and the dreamy Griezemann were the ones who stood out to me. Same way in Serie A with Cuadrado.

 
In many important Real Madrid matches last year, Di Maria was their best player. 80mm euros is a lot, but he will be fun to watch with Mata and Rooney.
Agreed. I'd much rather face Rodríguez or Kroos than Di María. He lit up Atlético last year especially when he came in as a sub.
I've seen DiMaria over the years, but not really focused on him.

Is it fair to compare him to Ozil? Seems like he typically plays out on the flank, and when he's in the mood can destroy any player or team out there off the dribble or pass (he seems faster than Ozil... correct?). Also feel like they both just disappear (from the TV screen, at least) for loooong stretches and have no tangible impact on games until that one or two moments that can change it up.
Di Maria is more dynamic than Uhzil because of his pace.

I'm not sure about Di Maria's stamina. He came off the field a lot for Madrid; 17 times subbed out in 27 starts(7 times before 70min). In the WC he played 4 full games in a row then got a fatigue injury and had to miss the rest of the WC. This smacks of the Mata buy last season(ESPECIALLY if they stick with some sort of three at the back), looks good, fans will fap themselves to sleep and United still won't be in the top four.

 
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In many important Real Madrid matches last year, Di Maria was their best player. 80mm euros is a lot, but he will be fun to watch with Mata and Rooney.
Agreed. I'd much rather face Rodríguez or Kroos than Di María. He lit up Atlético last year especially when he came in as a sub.
And then he sucked in the WC so #### him.

Di Maria has proven he can take on a game when the defense is focussed on Ronaldo, Bale, and Benzema, and played in his favorite position. That is not what he is walking into at ManU. Not by a long shot.
he should benefit from the other teams laughing when Cleverly has the ball though.....

 
Di Maria is a much more versatile player than Ozil. He will slot in to Beeker's system without too much trouble and provide a much needed fast break outlet (with both passing and pace). He's more similar to Bale than Ozil.

I think the biggest knock on him is that he's inconsistent. I don't watch him enough to confirm that though.

 
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Di Maria is a much more versatile player than Ozil. I think he will slot in to Beeker's system without too much trouble and provide a much needed outlet.

I'm not an expert on La Liga, but he seems a lot more like Bale than Ozil.
That seems pretty apt.

Although for me, the crux of the Ozil comparison was the disappearing for most of the game part. Bale seems much more involved to me.

 
Hey Tasker, Spurs fan here.

Nice to see our boys at the top of the table. Can someone give me a rundown on the Spurs v. QPR? 4-0 is pretty solid effort even against a team heaing for relegation.

Oh, also very happy about the Yedlin news. Can't wait to get his kit next summer.

 
Di Maria is a much more versatile player than Ozil. I think he will slot in to Beeker's system without too much trouble and provide a much needed outlet.

I'm not an expert on La Liga, but he seems a lot more like Bale than Ozil.
That seems pretty apt.

Although for me, the crux of the Ozil comparison was the disappearing for most of the game part. Bale seems much more involved to me.
Yes. I was editing my post to include that.

 
Hey Tasker, Spurs fan here.

Nice to see our boys at the top of the table. Can someone give me a rundown on the Spurs v. QPR? 4-0 is pretty solid effort even against a team heaing for relegation.

Oh, also very happy about the Yedlin news. Can't wait to get his kit next summer.
Sinn Fein get a ban again?

 
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Hey Tasker, Spurs fan here.

Nice to see our boys at the top of the table. Can someone give me a rundown on the Spurs v. QPR? 4-0 is pretty solid effort even against a team heaing for relegation.

Oh, also very happy about the Yedlin news. Can't wait to get his kit next summer.
I watched part of the game... Spurs had the tactical advantage with their lineup/shape. Rangers just never looked right.. like they were playing a man down the entire time (that I saw). Spurs were clicking- but I really think it was more about QPR lining up with the wrong formation/shape.

 

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