T Bell
Footballguy
The second is made worse by the fact that he was carrying a yellow at the time though, but yes.
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
I'm impressed with the fight in United - haven't seen this in a while. They may get nothing from this but I'm real happy with the effort.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
They have been making half chances - RvP looked tired. I'm ok with it.
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Eephus
Footballguy
T Bell
Footballguy
AAABatteries said:
First one was inexcusable - absolutely nothing to be gained, and you could see him trying move in front of the kick - clear yellow. And Tinker Bell is right once you are caring that first card any reckless play after that is just begging to be sent off.
Eephus
Footballguy
If there's one thing I've learned from playing FM, it's that you play in-form forwards
I disagree - I don't think they were in any danger there, even if Hart hit it 3/4 of the field. Hart was not really rushing the kick - Smalling was just being an idiot imo.
El Floppo
Footballguy
did you see what it looked like at MF? I have no idea- but the way he did it there looked like a pro stopping the play from happening, and absorbing the yellow because his team was in trouble. Otherwise, yeah- idiot/jerky-jeff.
No - basing it more on how "slow" Hart was to release the ball - seemed like he and smalling danced for a bit before Hart kicked it into him. Never felt like Hart was trying to hit a quick counter - but maybe...
Either way, once he had that yellow, had to be way more cautious in his tackles.
Smalling's red was more deserved than Benteke's - who put his hand in Mason's face - and was a pretty obvious red.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Celta played very well, and Barca hit the woodwork four times. C'est la vie.The Z Machine said:
Iniesta also missed the game with a knock. Bad fortune, but it took a bit of good fortune to go 8 straight games without conceding.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Celta is pretty good, but Barça has to get a result in Camp Nou against them. I'll take it though it puts real top of the table.
ugh United
I really, really, really, really was confident we'd get a result in this match and really pickup some momentum/thrust after a middling (####) start to the season. Getting the late one vs Chelsea for the deserved point was a building block.
Going into City who was without Silva, and has been in poor form the past week....getting Rooney back in the lineup (a right foot at that), all signs were pointing up.
Where United had been dominated in the past year or so by better teams in the midfield was not nearly as evident. DiMaria was good, Rooney was okay, Fellaini was even pretty decent, the work rate was there, the game was well contested.
But, Smalling is just a ####### idiot, and the United bench is just too thin right now with all these injuries. I don't have issues with a forward taking a silly yellow like that to disrupt the game a bit, or just annoy the other team - but a) it was the first ####### half, so doing it early was stupid. b) he's a ####### central defender who is definitely more prone to pickup a foul/dodgy yellow. ####ign stupid. c) United's bench the past few games has been depleted with their reserves either young, or coming off long term injuries, and every player that started should have been keenly aware of this. ####### STUPID.
I don't care about the work rate was great, the team really tried hard, blah blah ####### blah. It's about results here and getting nothing is a #### result. This is Uniteds worst start ever in the BPL, they do not have Champions League or league Cup play to worry about, it should be all systems go for first team getting results in league games. Simply is not happening.
Really getting our money's worth out of Falcao too. Nothing like having to bring on James ####### Wilson for RvP to get that late push. Paddy Mc####ing nair. Ridiculous a team with United's money not having a full bench. At least Shaw didn't look too bad out there.
I really, really, really, really was confident we'd get a result in this match and really pickup some momentum/thrust after a middling (####) start to the season. Getting the late one vs Chelsea for the deserved point was a building block.
Going into City who was without Silva, and has been in poor form the past week....getting Rooney back in the lineup (a right foot at that), all signs were pointing up.
Where United had been dominated in the past year or so by better teams in the midfield was not nearly as evident. DiMaria was good, Rooney was okay, Fellaini was even pretty decent, the work rate was there, the game was well contested.
But, Smalling is just a ####### idiot, and the United bench is just too thin right now with all these injuries. I don't have issues with a forward taking a silly yellow like that to disrupt the game a bit, or just annoy the other team - but a) it was the first ####### half, so doing it early was stupid. b) he's a ####### central defender who is definitely more prone to pickup a foul/dodgy yellow. ####ign stupid. c) United's bench the past few games has been depleted with their reserves either young, or coming off long term injuries, and every player that started should have been keenly aware of this. ####### STUPID.
I don't care about the work rate was great, the team really tried hard, blah blah ####### blah. It's about results here and getting nothing is a #### result. This is Uniteds worst start ever in the BPL, they do not have Champions League or league Cup play to worry about, it should be all systems go for first team getting results in league games. Simply is not happening.
Really getting our money's worth out of Falcao too. Nothing like having to bring on James ####### Wilson for RvP to get that late push. Paddy Mc####ing nair. Ridiculous a team with United's money not having a full bench. At least Shaw didn't look too bad out there.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I suppose its no great surprise that LVG is getting a much longer leash than Moyes, but the numbers are interesting. After 10 games last year, Moyes' United team had more wins, more points and had spent about £120m less than LVG. They were undefeated in the CL Group stage, and eventually topped the group.
LVG has yet to lose a CL game.
I think it was a combination panic move, and worry that Moyes had lost the locker room, and was not going to get it back. Don't know how much truth is in the last part.
charvik
Footballguy
APLT: http://i.imgur.com/cSPF6Nh.png
http://i.imgur.com/GAPMrTL.png
The guy is now seriously considering dropping Toffees and adding Soton (2nd in APLT if they would have been added)
http://i.imgur.com/GAPMrTL.png
The guy is now seriously considering dropping Toffees and adding Soton (2nd in APLT if they would have been added)
GoFishTN
Footballguy
Sammy3469
Footballguy
I think it was about 50/50 between a press core and fan base that both didn't know how to react to losing especially since the Glazers weren't really ready to open the purse strings.
If anything LVG should be taking heat for his purchases. You look at the way Chelsea and Man City are built and its all with a strategy to have a solid physical (for the most part) starting 11 with quality subs. I think we've clearly seen that that hasn't been the case with LVG. Most of the guys they brought in just look like shiny pieces at this point. Maybe it'll mesh at some point (and they still really haven't played with healthy first choice 11), but this may turn out to be an even worse lost season.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Moyes may have had a better start but over the course of the season they looked progressively worse, had no real tactics and noone understood what was going on. If they were scored on you never got the feeling they could come back. Under LVG (outside the Leicester debacle) you feel like they are in every game and have the heart and fire back. Down 10 men and you thought they could still rescue a point. Under Moyes as soon as Chelsea scored you knew 3 more were coming. As soon as Smalling was sent off, City would have scored 5 more with Moyes in charge. United still need to get healthy and get some defensive organization and, at least I feel, they still have a shot at top 4. No way that is the case with Moyes.
As for the game,
The Good: United fighting and pushing to get back in the game despite being at 10 men.
The Bad: The Ref - Several possible PKs missed, poor booking decisions (Blind's was soft and he refused to card City early for worse. The tackle right after Blind's card should have been yellow, the constant fouling on Januzaj got nothing). And how about Hart not getting anything for running into the ref and headbutting him for no reason? Smalling was booked no need for Hart to be in the ref's face. Should have been booked, could have seen red.
The Ugly: Smalling - Plain and simple both cards were needless.
defensive lineup - Valencia? Carrick? ouch.
City probably deserved the 3 points.
And its not even Christmas, still time to get right and run towards the top. Their fight against Chelsea and City give hope that Moyes could never muster.
As for the game,
The Good: United fighting and pushing to get back in the game despite being at 10 men.
The Bad: The Ref - Several possible PKs missed, poor booking decisions (Blind's was soft and he refused to card City early for worse. The tackle right after Blind's card should have been yellow, the constant fouling on Januzaj got nothing). And how about Hart not getting anything for running into the ref and headbutting him for no reason? Smalling was booked no need for Hart to be in the ref's face. Should have been booked, could have seen red.
The Ugly: Smalling - Plain and simple both cards were needless.
defensive lineup - Valencia? Carrick? ouch.
City probably deserved the 3 points.
And its not even Christmas, still time to get right and run towards the top. Their fight against Chelsea and City give hope that Moyes could never muster.
El Floppo
Footballguy
I thought United looked fully in it until the red- and then for the last push of trying to equalize.
They likely controlled time of possession in the first half (or at least until the red), but City conceded it to them deep and didn't allow much past midfield. I didn't see too much bite or threat from United's MF IBlind, Fellaini or Rooney) until the ball got higher up or wider to DiMaria. City looked happpy to control or counter- United, despite their possession, seemed better suited to countering or playing more direct through DiMaria.
Fellaini played better- but also had a lot of turnovers... usually in dangerous spots.
They likely controlled time of possession in the first half (or at least until the red), but City conceded it to them deep and didn't allow much past midfield. I didn't see too much bite or threat from United's MF IBlind, Fellaini or Rooney) until the ball got higher up or wider to DiMaria. City looked happpy to control or counter- United, despite their possession, seemed better suited to countering or playing more direct through DiMaria.
Fellaini played better- but also had a lot of turnovers... usually in dangerous spots.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
On one hand, I certainly saw some positive things from United. But I also think the scoreline could have looked a lot worse if any of those PK decisions had gone against United. And there was more than one that could have conceivably been called.
Even the areas of the team that I consider United's strength present problems. I don't know what the best XI is. I don't see a way to keep Mata in the team without dropping a striker who probably shouldn't be dropped.
The Smalling brainfart was still a shame. I have no idea what it means for City. Toure still looks like a shadow of the player he was last year. I'm still not sure who the best partner for Kompany is, and I'm sensing that City needs Milner for defensive balance this year and can't afford to play Silva, Kun (and a second striker), and Nasri at the same time, which was their scariest lineup last year.
Even the areas of the team that I consider United's strength present problems. I don't know what the best XI is. I don't see a way to keep Mata in the team without dropping a striker who probably shouldn't be dropped.
The Smalling brainfart was still a shame. I have no idea what it means for City. Toure still looks like a shadow of the player he was last year. I'm still not sure who the best partner for Kompany is, and I'm sensing that City needs Milner for defensive balance this year and can't afford to play Silva, Kun (and a second striker), and Nasri at the same time, which was their scariest lineup last year.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Oh and I forgot to mention how poor Valencia's throwins were. Do the refs not care about proper throws these days? He should have been called for a foul throw at least twice...
Would like to see Herrerra back in there with Mata and Di Maria and Blind supporting.
Rojo may be out 6 weeks to 3 months depending on which report you read.
Rafael, McNair, Blackett, Shaw may be your back 4 for now. And no, I wouldnt rather see Evans or Jones in there.
Injuries are part of the problem, lack of top options at the back, still learning the system? Who knows, but at least they seem to want to fight, which was lacking last year.
At this point I think a fit Falcao needs to get a run up top. pair him with Rooney. Sit RVP
Would like to see Herrerra back in there with Mata and Di Maria and Blind supporting.
Rojo may be out 6 weeks to 3 months depending on which report you read.
Rafael, McNair, Blackett, Shaw may be your back 4 for now. And no, I wouldnt rather see Evans or Jones in there.
Injuries are part of the problem, lack of top options at the back, still learning the system? Who knows, but at least they seem to want to fight, which was lacking last year.
El Floppo
Footballguy
I noticed the Valencia throw-ins too.
Forgot about Herrerra.
I think a 3-5-2 with Blind or Herrerra playing very deep would be pretty freaking great. Get all the guys on the field... you're already giving up goals with your main defenders in there- might as well put in more goals than the other team.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Pretty awesome atmosphere at Selhurst Park tonight.
Random Prem question, does Liverpool have an inordinate amount of early games this year?
Random Prem question, does Liverpool have an inordinate amount of early games this year?
B Maverick
Footballguy
True Floppo... may be the only way at this point since they are running short of defenders...
RVP Falcao
Di Maria Rooney Mata Herrera
Blind
Shaw, Blackett, McNair (or Rafael)
De Gea
or a 3-1-3-1-2
RVP Falcao
Rooney
Di Maria Mata Herrera
Blind
Shaw, Blackett, McNair (or Rafael)
De Gea
RVP Falcao
Di Maria Rooney Mata Herrera
Blind
Shaw, Blackett, McNair (or Rafael)
De Gea
or a 3-1-3-1-2
RVP Falcao
Rooney
Di Maria Mata Herrera
Blind
Shaw, Blackett, McNair (or Rafael)
De Gea
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The Gator
Footballguy
Palace fans are boss
So far I don't think they've had a lot of early games. I've missed a bunch because of my kid's games and their games have been about 9:-9:30
Unless you consider 8:00 games early, Sebowski
Sammy3469
Footballguy
B Maverick
Footballguy
probably a good call, just figured lets go score as many as possible and hope de gea comes up with some saves...
B Maverick
Footballguy
May mean Carrick comes in and he and Blind are deeper men.
RVP Falcao
Di Maria Rooney Mata
Blind Carrick
Shaw, Blackett, McNair (or Rafael)
De Gea
T Bell
Footballguy
Don't forget that United have had one of the softest league schedules so far in the league. If anything their league form flatters them.
Jaysus
Good times!
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
You know the opening credits of the new Men In Blazers show where someone (I think an Arsenal player?) tries to switch fields and hits an insanely long, wayward pass? That still makes me giggle.
T Bell
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Agree - maybe it's blind homerism but I see this side being in a much better place than Moyes' side. Not to mention, everyone knew Moyes was a gamble because there was no way he was going to be given 2-3 years to get it right. He had to show something year one. LvG has a much more proven track record and while he may fail too I doubt it will be a one year turnover again. He will need to overspend on a CB or 2 in January or the summer - if that's what it takes. The ironic thing is we could desperately use a Vidic right now and Moyes cut him loose.
I'd be much more worries if Pool or Totts or Arsenal were on more points because as it is now it's pretty up in the air for 4th IMO. I'm not a believer that Southhampton will keep up this pace.
I'd be much more worries if Pool or Totts or Arsenal were on more points because as it is now it's pretty up in the air for 4th IMO. I'm not a believer that Southhampton will keep up this pace.
T Bell
Footballguy
They say that the typical interviewer forms a lasting impression of a job candidate within the first 12 seconds of being in the room with them. Moyes never looked the part at United. He always looked out of his depth and awkward, and try as we might want to to criticize "profiling", the fact is that there's nothing more human than making such judgments about people and that was very much a factor at work.
LVG at looks like a big enough ##### to credibly occupy the job - who knows whether he'll bring enough success to justify continuing there for very long..
Tom Hagen
Footballguy
There is a certain sense the LVG is so arrogant he must be a good manager. Moyes never inspired that sort of confidence.
T Bell
Footballguy
Bebbs @AfcBebbs80 2h2 hours ago
Aston Villa had to cancel October goal of the month competition on the their website due to the fact not a single goal was scored. Superb
Aston Villa had to cancel October goal of the month competition on the their website due to the fact not a single goal was scored. Superb
The Gator
Footballguy
Bebbs @AfcBebbs80 2h2 hours ago
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