El Floppo
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El Floppo
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Caught the replay late last night- but FSC edited/censored a minute+ post-tackle where I assume they showed replays of the tackle. But that leg bent the wrong wayYes,Did anyone else just see the Aaron Ramsey injury in the Stoke / Arsenal match just now?
As brutal as Eduardo. If he plays again, it wont be for quite some time.... really feel badly for the kid, who was just starting to get a solid run in the first side.
From the live-play, the tackle didn't look intentional or even all that bad... other than the result. Was it worse in a closer camera angle?Another thing with Liverpool is that Aurelio doesn't provide the same attacking quality at left back that John Arne Riise did.
prefontaine
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
Funny- caught the same replay of the tackle today and I finally saw the badness in it. Shawcroft (?) took a great big sah-wing-anda-miss straight into Ramsey. Scary how late he was getting to the ball- but to me, that's a big guy being committed but slow; a far different beast than Eduardo tackle where, IIRC, the player came sliding in with both studs up clearly intending to do harm. Ugh. I hope the kid comes back alright- double fracture... ugh. Good that he's got Eduardo there as a walking showcase of what hard work and PT can do to get you back to playing.Oh...El Floppo said:Caught the replay late last night- but FSC edited/censored a minute+ post-tackle where I assume they showed replays of the tackle. But that leg bent the wrong way :X From the live-play, the tackle didn't look intentional or even all that bad... other than the result. Was it worse in a closer camera angle?Yes,Did anyone else just see the Aaron Ramsey injury in the Stoke / Arsenal match just now?
As brutal as Eduardo. If he plays again, it wont be for quite some time.... really feel badly for the kid, who was just starting to get a solid run in the first side.
Freaking Rooney the super-sub.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Big game for my atleti going on right now against Valencia. Both teams are bringing all their offensive firepower today with kun, forlan, Reyes, simao, Villa, Silva, Joaquin, and mata all starting. Also the 19 year old goalie returns for atletico... so this game is likely to be a high scoring affair.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Its been a crazy game already... the was a clear penalty against Valencia that wasn't called, then minutes later Silva broke down the atleti d and put one in. A few minutes later, kun ganked marchena in the box, marchena went to the ground to tackle kun and in the process hit the ball intentionally with his hand... BUT the ref didn't see it. The 4th ref saw the penalty and called it in to the lead ref who stopped play, called everyone back, gave a direct red to marchena, and forlan put the pk into the net.
End result: the game is tied, and atleti is up a man with 60+ mins left to play. What a crazy game already.
End result: the game is tied, and atleti is up a man with 60+ mins left to play. What a crazy game already.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
BTW, Reyes is really coming into his own playing opposite simao lately and its only the departure of maxi that's allowed them to play consistently together like this.
If he played for most other countries, he'd be getting some intl callups, but as it is Spain has so much attacking talent in the midfield I doubt he's gonna get a shot.
If he played for most other countries, he'd be getting some intl callups, but as it is Spain has so much attacking talent in the midfield I doubt he's gonna get a shot.
Native
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Steve Tasker
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A bit behind on the weekend's action, finally watching the Arsenal game right now....they've got play basically stopped for this Ramsey injury, and I gotta say, the reactions of the players are eerily reminiscent of the Eduardo injury. Chilling, really.
Not quite David Busst-level....yet
Not quite David Busst-level....yet
Sebowski
Footballguy
Terrible injury. I don't believe in curses, but Arsenal and their constant injuries.....Up for some Fifa later?
brewer
Footballguy
Just to be clear, I meant that the injury was as bad as Eduardo, not the challenge. They were different beasts for sure, and it went a very long way for me to see how upset Shawcross was as he was walking off the pitch. He made a mistake and he immediately realized it.Funny- caught the same replay of the tackle today and I finally saw the badness in it. Shawcroft (?) took a great big sah-wing-anda-miss straight into Ramsey. Scary how late he was getting to the ball- but to me, that's a big guy being committed but slow; a far different beast than Eduardo tackle where, IIRC, the player came sliding in with both studs up clearly intending to do harm. Ugh. I hope the kid comes back alright- double fracture... ugh. Good that he's got Eduardo there as a walking showcase of what hard work and PT can do to get you back to playing.Oh...El Floppo said:Caught the replay late last night- but FSC edited/censored a minute+ post-tackle where I assume they showed replays of the tackle. But that leg bent the wrong way :X From the live-play, the tackle didn't look intentional or even all that bad... other than the result. Was it worse in a closer camera angle?Yes,Did anyone else just see the Aaron Ramsey injury in the Stoke / Arsenal match just now?
Freaking Rooney the super-sub.
andy_b
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Game is on ESPN2 and Galavision for those interested.
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The Z Machine
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Local time?
Moe.
Footballguy
Yeah it's hard not to feel bad for Shawcross. I'm sure it ruined what should have been the high point of his career so far (nat call-up).Just to be clear, I meant that the injury was as bad as Eduardo, not the challenge. They were different beasts for sure, and it went a very long way for me to see how upset Shawcross was as he was walking off the pitch. He made a mistake and he immediately realized it.Funny- caught the same replay of the tackle today and I finally saw the badness in it. Shawcroft (?) took a great big sah-wing-anda-miss straight into Ramsey. Scary how late he was getting to the ball- but to me, that's a big guy being committed but slow; a far different beast than Eduardo tackle where, IIRC, the player came sliding in with both studs up clearly intending to do harm. Ugh. I hope the kid comes back alright- double fracture... ugh. Good that he's got Eduardo there as a walking showcase of what hard work and PT can do to get you back to playing.Oh...El Floppo said:Caught the replay late last night- but FSC edited/censored a minute+ post-tackle where I assume they showed replays of the tackle. But that leg bent the wrong way :X From the live-play, the tackle didn't look intentional or even all that bad... other than the result. Was it worse in a closer camera angle?Yes,Did anyone else just see the Aaron Ramsey injury in the Stoke / Arsenal match just now?
Moe.
Footballguy
11:30 for you.
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
Gol TV is showing the Argentina v Germany friendly on Wendesday too. Looks like I'm getting nothing done after work that day.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Andres Escobar down???
oh, he's down alright.Also, did anyone else catch the Terry/Bridge "handshake" this weekend? Yeah, like that was going to happen.
GB Man City beating Chelsea
and GMFB Wayne Rooney.
Kendall
I heart waffles
Well... yeah.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
FSC had the Bellamy/Tevez interview after the game. They talked about the game, then the interviewer asked Tevez about winning the game for Bridge. Tevez begged off saying he didn't want to mess up in English so he gave thee question to Bellamy who basically said everyone knew how big of a scumbag he is off the field, so it wasn't anything new/special. That had me
I have to think at some point Terry's douchebaggeriness will hurt the English team at some point (nevermind the fact that he hasn't been that great lately).
prefontaine
Footballguy
That interview rocked. I thought Tevez begged off the question bc the dumb ### reporter used the word "galvanize" in it. I mean, he isn't a native speaker and I don't think galvanizar is used as an idiom like that in spanish. He sure didn't seem to back down from showing his feelings on Terry on the pitch.FSC had the Bellamy/Tevez interview after the game. They talked about the game, then the interviewer asked Tevez about winning the game for Bridge. Tevez begged off saying he didn't want to mess up in English so he gave thee question to Bellamy who basically said everyone knew how big of a scumbag he is off the field, so it wasn't anything new/special. That had me
Sammy3469
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Whatever the reason it was hilarious b/c Bellamy then had this look on his face of "how personal do I really want to get with Terry" on it. He was about as diplomatic as he could get which I'm sure was a first for him.That interview rocked. I thought Tevez begged off the question bc the dumb ### reporter used the word "galvanize" in it. I mean, he isn't a native speaker and I don't think galvanizar is used as an idiom like that in spanish. He sure didn't seem to back down from showing his feelings on Terry on the pitch.FSC had the Bellamy/Tevez interview after the game. They talked about the game, then the interviewer asked Tevez about winning the game for Bridge. Tevez begged off saying he didn't want to mess up in English so he gave thee question to Bellamy who basically said everyone knew how big of a scumbag he is off the field, so it wasn't anything new/special. That had me
prefontaine
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Guus Hiddink is apparently going to take over Ivory Coast for the WC. My favorite part is that they sacked Halilhodzic on live tv 
GB African football!
GB African football!
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
I called Comcast today and it isn't on their radar.fox soccer plus is up and running on verizon i think.i need to make a phone call to find out why i'm not getting it.
andy_b
Footballguy
couple of comments1) I was surprised to see this so front and center on the ESPN page as the main story. I think this is going to be the best covered World Cup ever2) I had an inkling as well who would be #50. I don't blame ESPN for it even if many people might scoff at it. The better question is would he have made the list with out the last couple of months of play? My guess is no.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Was it me?
that list is ####### putrid. I've probably not seen a worst list published by a "reputable" site ever. After the top 3, it kind of all fell apart from me.
Kendall
I heart waffles
Pretty sure its only for players on team qualified for the World Cup.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
This...its a Top 50 players in the WC. It's tough for me to get fired up about including the best player on one of the 16 best teams in the WC in a top 50 list.
scoobygang
Footballguy
I also thought most of the first half of the list was defensible. I thought the second half was a bit curious. I did think they had Pirlo way too high. Like they thought it was 2006 or something.
TLEF316
Footballguy
which team? US?
TLEF316
Footballguy
thats very good news IMO.However, they still wont be able to see him play with the team before he's named to the squad right? I know that we have some games before the squad is named, but they arent on official FIFA days. So even if he's healthy, he wont be released to play.For the tune up games closer to the WC, it will be too late.It just wasn't meant to be IMO.
bentley
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It's because Torres and Gerrard are in the top 10, isn't it?
oh, that's certainly part of it.Lampard and Essien are pretty overranked too, imho.No Pato? Probably would have put Schweinsteiger on there tooBuffon ahead of Cesar?Oh, and #50 is a bit of a reach
Native
Footballguy
Eh, the list doesnt bother me at all. My biggest beefs would probably be putting Henry in the top 30 given that hes a shell of his former self and having Iniesta/Xavi/Alves so high (though I know its fashionable to show love to Barca players). Finally, Id put Aguero higher and would definitely find some room for Pato, who is an obvious omission (probably an oversight). But it a good primer for the WC and a nice list overall.
scoobygang
Footballguy
The thing with Pato is that Dunga doesn't play him.
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Kendall
I heart waffles
Liverpool had:8 Torres9 Gerrard26 Mascherano
I didn't even make mention of Ronaldinho not making the list for just this reason.
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