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Psyched about Barcelona's win in El Clasico yesterday. It was great to snap Madrid's lengthy winning streak in the Bernabeu for the second season in a row and basically show the gulf in quality between the two teams. I was surprised at how utterly cynical the Merengues were yesterday. Obviously there is no love lost between the two clubs, but I expected to see Madrid play more quality soccer and hack less than they did.

I thought Pep did a better job yesterday in adjusting to the circumstances of the match than Pelligrini. Starting Dani Alves on the right wing was a strange move and ultimately and unsuccessful one I thought, as it didn't help the attack and often had Puyol coming up the right side, which meant that when Madrid counterattacked, Pique had to come over and deal with Ronaldo who had a full head of steam - not something Barca wants to see. However, it did keep Bojan out of the lineup, which is something I definitely agreed with. He is too soft to rely on in important matches and wouldn't have held up well yesterday. Moving Alves to right back was a smart move, as was moving Puyol to the left, which eventually paved the way for Iniesta to replace Maxwell at left wing in the second half. In contrast, I thought Pelligrini was not smart to take out Marcelo for Guti - Marcelo was giving Barcelona problems on the wing and taking him out did the Blaugrana a favor.

The refereeing was bizarre yesterday - Madrid finished with 30 fouls and Barcelona finished with 15 and yet each team had the same number of cautions and three of those cautions were given to players when they hadn't committed a foul. And somehow, Sergio Ramos escaped without a caution - he nailed Puyol with his shoulder after being nutmegged by the guy, and then kicked Messi in the chest - bizarre.

The goals were well taken - perfect pass from Xavi to Messi, who had a great first touch to get him around Albiol for the first, and then Xavi threaded to the needle to Pedro who had a great first touch as well and a classy finish. I was shocked that Messi didn't add at least one more with the chances he had in the second half - he definitely rushed his chance around the 77th minute or so. But it didn't matter.

Valdes played very well in goal, coming up big against Van der Vaart (who did a terrible job with his chance) and otherwise handling all other shots and crosses in his area. Puyol was fantastic and Pedro's work rate was excellent as well. So nice to see Madridistas heading for the exits with 10 minutes remaining. Hopefully Barcelona can hold on to the league lead and come back to the Bernabeu in a few weeks to win the Champs League and celebrate in the Cibeles, rubbing salt in Madrid's wounds.

 
Back from the Linc for the Union's 'home' opener. There were 34,480 of us there. Would have liked to have topped 40K. Really wanted to break the league attendance record. Oh well.Great start to the game, up 2-0. A couple of beautiful goals and great assists (from Torres and Moreno). Should have gone up 3-0 early in the second on a Le Toux breakaway. Great save/play by DC keeper - and then all hell broke loose. All I can say is, if you haven't seen the game, watch the second half. In particular, the second DC goal. I challenge you to think of something a professional athlete has done that has been so pathetic as the Union goalkeeper's play on the second goal. Seriously. I wouldn't expect that from a u-6 goalie. Got the deserved late goal from Le Toux to complete the hat trick - I think it was Moreno who was fouled just outside the box on a bit of a breakaway. Nice free kick, well placed by Le Toux. He can do it all. Clearly, DC is a better team with Jaime Moreno on the field. I guess he just doesn't have 90 or even 60 minutes in him anymore? But their defense is awful.On to thoughts on the Union: I ripped them pretty good after the first game, so I'll give them their due in game 2. Much improved. Mwanga didn't play. Two best players are clearly Torres and Le Toux with Moreno a close third. Califf is OK in the back and Arietta played pretty well. The left side of the defense is just an absolute sieve. The left back, in particular, needs to head to the bench. They are going to give up a lot of goals when they face really good forwards. The crowd was big, and supportive, especially when something good - or bad - happened. Very negative to the refs I thought and to the DC players. But that's what we get in Philly.The crowd was disappointingly subdued in my area (midfieldish, about 12 yards away actually). The Sons of Ben sections, however, were jumping. Looked like a heck of a lot of fun to be in those sections. If only they were centrally located and not on the goal line. Oh well. It was also my first time in the Linc. Place is pretty awesome for a football stadium.
:hophead: nice to see new MLS fans. I used to be an MLS-hater myself until I started accepting it for what it is.
 
Back from the Linc for the Union's 'home' opener. There were 34,480 of us there. Would have liked to have topped 40K. Really wanted to break the league attendance record. Oh well.Great start to the game, up 2-0. A couple of beautiful goals and great assists (from Torres and Moreno). Should have gone up 3-0 early in the second on a Le Toux breakaway. Great save/play by DC keeper - and then all hell broke loose. All I can say is, if you haven't seen the game, watch the second half. In particular, the second DC goal. I challenge you to think of something a professional athlete has done that has been so pathetic as the Union goalkeeper's play on the second goal. Seriously. I wouldn't expect that from a u-6 goalie. Got the deserved late goal from Le Toux to complete the hat trick - I think it was Moreno who was fouled just outside the box on a bit of a breakaway. Nice free kick, well placed by Le Toux. He can do it all. Clearly, DC is a better team with Jaime Moreno on the field. I guess he just doesn't have 90 or even 60 minutes in him anymore? But their defense is awful.On to thoughts on the Union: I ripped them pretty good after the first game, so I'll give them their due in game 2. Much improved. Mwanga didn't play. Two best players are clearly Torres and Le Toux with Moreno a close third. Califf is OK in the back and Arietta played pretty well. The left side of the defense is just an absolute sieve. The left back, in particular, needs to head to the bench. They are going to give up a lot of goals when they face really good forwards. The crowd was big, and supportive, especially when something good - or bad - happened. Very negative to the refs I thought and to the DC players. But that's what we get in Philly.The crowd was disappointingly subdued in my area (midfieldish, about 12 yards away actually). The Sons of Ben sections, however, were jumping. Looked like a heck of a lot of fun to be in those sections. If only they were centrally located and not on the goal line. Oh well. It was also my first time in the Linc. Place is pretty awesome for a football stadium.
:hophead: nice to see new MLS fans. I used to be an MLS-hater myself until I started accepting it for what it is.
I want to. I tell myself I am. But I just haven't been able to do it yet.
 
Back from the Linc for the Union's 'home' opener. There were 34,480 of us there. Would have liked to have topped 40K. Really wanted to break the league attendance record. Oh well.The crowd was disappointingly subdued in my area (midfieldish, about 12 yards away actually). The Sons of Ben sections, however, were jumping. Looked like a heck of a lot of fun to be in those sections. If only they were centrally located and not on the goal line. Oh well.
congrats on the first win! Nice to see an MLS team not lay an egg in front of a huge opening crowd. That should help future sales although from everything I have read, the team will likely sell out almost every game at the new stadium.In terms of an attendance record, I don't think that would have been possible to set at the Linc. The MLS record is over 90k at the Rose Bowl.I heard the Sons of Ben were great. You have reported what most people do though, in that for many MLS stadiums, outside of the supporter groups (most of which are located behind the goal), the stadiums can be pretty quiet.As someone who stood behind the goal for a decade in NE, I can only recommend that you try it. Goals that are scored right in front of you with that atmosphere make for an incredible experience.
 
Psyched about Barcelona's win in El Clasico yesterday. It was great to snap Madrid's lengthy winning streak in the Bernabeu for the second season in a row and basically show the gulf in quality between the two teams. I was surprised at how utterly cynical the Merengues were yesterday. Obviously there is no love lost between the two clubs, but I expected to see Madrid play more quality soccer and hack less than they did.I thought Pep did a better job yesterday in adjusting to the circumstances of the match than Pelligrini. Starting Dani Alves on the right wing was a strange move and ultimately and unsuccessful one I thought, as it didn't help the attack and often had Puyol coming up the right side, which meant that when Madrid counterattacked, Pique had to come over and deal with Ronaldo who had a full head of steam - not something Barca wants to see. However, it did keep Bojan out of the lineup, which is something I definitely agreed with. He is too soft to rely on in important matches and wouldn't have held up well yesterday. Moving Alves to right back was a smart move, as was moving Puyol to the left, which eventually paved the way for Iniesta to replace Maxwell at left wing in the second half. In contrast, I thought Pelligrini was not smart to take out Marcelo for Guti - Marcelo was giving Barcelona problems on the wing and taking him out did the Blaugrana a favor.The refereeing was bizarre yesterday - Madrid finished with 30 fouls and Barcelona finished with 15 and yet each team had the same number of cautions and three of those cautions were given to players when they hadn't committed a foul. And somehow, Sergio Ramos escaped without a caution - he nailed Puyol with his shoulder after being nutmegged by the guy, and then kicked Messi in the chest - bizarre.The goals were well taken - perfect pass from Xavi to Messi, who had a great first touch to get him around Albiol for the first, and then Xavi threaded to the needle to Pedro who had a great first touch as well and a classy finish. I was shocked that Messi didn't add at least one more with the chances he had in the second half - he definitely rushed his chance around the 77th minute or so. But it didn't matter.Valdes played very well in goal, coming up big against Van der Vaart (who did a terrible job with his chance) and otherwise handling all other shots and crosses in his area. Puyol was fantastic and Pedro's work rate was excellent as well. So nice to see Madridistas heading for the exits with 10 minutes remaining. Hopefully Barcelona can hold on to the league lead and come back to the Bernabeu in a few weeks to win the Champs League and celebrate in the Cibeles, rubbing salt in Madrid's wounds.
:angry: Still surprised Lass didn't start for Real.Liked the lineup yesterday as it seemed to work well to win us the game. Certainly more defensive than normal but we still possessed the ball and attacked alot. Should certainly have been more cards on the cynical play of Real yesterday. First time every winning four straight in el Classico. :pickle:
 
Wow Portsmouth stuns Spurs in the FA semi's. Team was relegated just one week ago and now theyre back in the FA Cup final, which they won only two years ago.

Now Avram Grant faces his old team in Wembley for the Cup.

 
So, time for the yearly question - who's playing this summer?

We had our first practice of the year. I played pretty well considering I haven't had any game action in awhile. It's amazing the vast difference between being "in shape" and being "in game shape". We played for about 2 hours and I'm ####### gassed.

 
Back from the Linc for the Union's 'home' opener. There were 34,480 of us there. Would have liked to have topped 40K. Really wanted to break the league attendance record. Oh well.

The crowd was disappointingly subdued in my area (midfieldish, about 12 yards away actually). The Sons of Ben sections, however, were jumping. Looked like a heck of a lot of fun to be in those sections. If only they were centrally located and not on the goal line. Oh well.
congrats on the first win! Nice to see an MLS team not lay an egg in front of a huge opening crowd. That should help future sales although from everything I have read, the team will likely sell out almost every game at the new stadium.In terms of an attendance record, I don't think that would have been possible to set at the Linc. The MLS record is over 90k at the Rose Bowl.

I heard the Sons of Ben were great. You have reported what most people do though, in that for many MLS stadiums, outside of the supporter groups (most of which are located behind the goal), the stadiums can be pretty quiet.

As someone who stood behind the goal for a decade in NE, I can only recommend that you try it. Goals that are scored right in front of you with that atmosphere make for an incredible experience.
i don't know about that. when seattle opened last year they set an MLS record at about 38,000 at the Seahawks stadium.
 
So, time for the yearly question - who's playing this summer?We had our first practice of the year. I played pretty well considering I haven't had any game action in awhile. It's amazing the vast difference between being "in shape" and being "in game shape". We played for about 2 hours and I'm ####### gassed.
I'm playing again. Since I moved down to Miami, I was afraid I wasn't going to be able to hook up with a team right away. My boss, who is English and plays soccer himself, let me know that the company has a team and we have a game scheduled against a rival company in the area in the beginning of May. I started playing with them a few weeks back 2x week and worked my way into the starting 11. :popcorn: I am also going to try to play some 8v8 on Tuesday nights if my body will hold up. Since I turned 40 a few weeks back, just like what happened when I turned 30 and then 35, it seems like something else is starting to ail me. I've had some swelling in the back of my right knee lately which is kind of odd since I didn't hurt it or anything so I'm not sure what it's from. It's similar to what happened when I tore my ACL (15+ years ago in right knee, got it fixed and haven't had any problems with it since until now) and PCL (2-3 years ago in left knee) so I must have irritated something, I just don't know exactly what the cause is. It was causing some severe discomfort and I wasn't able to bend at the knee all the way causing some reduced mobility but it's been better over the past week or so. It's a ##### getting old! I remember about a week after I turned 30, I pulled some muscle in my leg that I had never pulled before. And then when I turned 35, within a week or so of that, I had some weird foot injury that I never had before either. Now I turn 40 and this happens. :crazy:Hopefully we can continue playing in a men's league after the game. I need that sort of competitive and athletic challenge and would love to keep playing until I get to the age of some of those old guys that I see out there. I have found that as I get older (and slower) my game has changed from speed and size to more fundamental soccer (distributing the ball more effectively) and have actually improved quite a bit in that respect.
 
So, time for the yearly question - who's playing this summer?We had our first practice of the year. I played pretty well considering I haven't had any game action in awhile. It's amazing the vast difference between being "in shape" and being "in game shape". We played for about 2 hours and I'm ####### gassed.
One of my goals is to start to play again, but I'm just going to start with pickup games. I got to play when I was in Bolivia in Febuary and realized how much I miss it. I am way too out of shape right now to join a league and have a team drag me around.
 
bweiser said:
Back from the Linc for the Union's 'home' opener. There were 34,480 of us there. Would have liked to have topped 40K. Really wanted to break the league attendance record. Oh well.

The crowd was disappointingly subdued in my area (midfieldish, about 12 yards away actually). The Sons of Ben sections, however, were jumping. Looked like a heck of a lot of fun to be in those sections. If only they were centrally located and not on the goal line. Oh well.
congrats on the first win! Nice to see an MLS team not lay an egg in front of a huge opening crowd. That should help future sales although from everything I have read, the team will likely sell out almost every game at the new stadium.In terms of an attendance record, I don't think that would have been possible to set at the Linc. The MLS record is over 90k at the Rose Bowl.

I heard the Sons of Ben were great. You have reported what most people do though, in that for many MLS stadiums, outside of the supporter groups (most of which are located behind the goal), the stadiums can be pretty quiet.

As someone who stood behind the goal for a decade in NE, I can only recommend that you try it. Goals that are scored right in front of you with that atmosphere make for an incredible experience.
i don't know about that. when seattle opened last year they set an MLS record at about 38,000 at the Seahawks stadium.
You are confused I think. Seattle set the record for the highest average attendance over a season but not for a single game.MLS has had numerous games over 38k over the years. See the link below. There is 13 on this list above 60k. Over the years, I have attended a handful of games here for the Revs alone that have drawn more than the opening games for Seattle last year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Attendanc...d_States_Soccer

Many of the big MLS games over the years have been helped by special items (double headers, inaugural games for teams, Becks first appearance etc).

By the way, Seattle is well on the way already to breaking their own average attendance record already. They are doing an incredible job up there selling that team.

 
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Back from the Linc for the Union's 'home' opener. There were 34,480 of us there. Would have liked to have topped 40K. Really wanted to break the league attendance record. Oh well.Great start to the game, up 2-0. A couple of beautiful goals and great assists (from Torres and Moreno). Should have gone up 3-0 early in the second on a Le Toux breakaway. Great save/play by DC keeper - and then all hell broke loose. All I can say is, if you haven't seen the game, watch the second half. In particular, the second DC goal. I challenge you to think of something a professional athlete has done that has been so pathetic as the Union goalkeeper's play on the second goal. Seriously. I wouldn't expect that from a u-6 goalie. Got the deserved late goal from Le Toux to complete the hat trick - I think it was Moreno who was fouled just outside the box on a bit of a breakaway. Nice free kick, well placed by Le Toux. He can do it all. Clearly, DC is a better team with Jaime Moreno on the field. I guess he just doesn't have 90 or even 60 minutes in him anymore? But their defense is awful.On to thoughts on the Union: I ripped them pretty good after the first game, so I'll give them their due in game 2. Much improved. Mwanga didn't play. Two best players are clearly Torres and Le Toux with Moreno a close third. Califf is OK in the back and Arietta played pretty well. The left side of the defense is just an absolute sieve. The left back, in particular, needs to head to the bench. They are going to give up a lot of goals when they face really good forwards. The crowd was big, and supportive, especially when something good - or bad - happened. Very negative to the refs I thought and to the DC players. But that's what we get in Philly.The crowd was disappointingly subdued in my area (midfieldish, about 12 yards away actually). The Sons of Ben sections, however, were jumping. Looked like a heck of a lot of fun to be in those sections. If only they were centrally located and not on the goal line. Oh well. It was also my first time in the Linc. Place is pretty awesome for a football stadium.
:lmao: nice to see new MLS fans. I used to be an MLS-hater myself until I started accepting it for what it is.
I want to. I tell myself I am. But I just haven't been able to do it yet.
Knowing that MLS will never be the EPL in our lifetimes, is there anything particular item that would cause you to be a fan? Would you prefer a general improvement in quality or more teams or a splattering of bigger names? MLS would kill to get people like you to even be a casual fan (attend a handful of games a year, assuming you have local team) and watch some games on TV.
 
I used to be an MLS-hater myself until I started accepting it for what it is.
I want to. I tell myself I am. But I just haven't been able to do it yet.
Knowing that MLS will never be the EPL in our lifetimes, is there anything particular item that would cause you to be a fan? Would you prefer a general improvement in quality or more teams or a splattering of bigger names? MLS would kill to get people like you to even be a casual fan (attend a handful of games a year, assuming you have local team) and watch some games on TV.
It's the quality. I watched the Hull v Burnley game yesterday before the FA Cup semi. Both teams are fighting relegation. Pretty much guaranteed at least one of them will be relegated. But they'd both dominate MLS.
 
Senor Schmutzig said:
Steve Tasker said:
So, time for the yearly question - who's playing this summer?We had our first practice of the year. I played pretty well considering I haven't had any game action in awhile. It's amazing the vast difference between being "in shape" and being "in game shape". We played for about 2 hours and I'm ####### gassed.
I'm playing again. Since I moved down to Miami, I was afraid I wasn't going to be able to hook up with a team right away. My boss, who is English and plays soccer himself, let me know that the company has a team and we have a game scheduled against a rival company in the area in the beginning of May. I started playing with them a few weeks back 2x week and worked my way into the starting 11. ;) I am also going to try to play some 8v8 on Tuesday nights if my body will hold up. Since I turned 40 a few weeks back, just like what happened when I turned 30 and then 35, it seems like something else is starting to ail me. I've had some swelling in the back of my right knee lately which is kind of odd since I didn't hurt it or anything so I'm not sure what it's from. It's similar to what happened when I tore my ACL (15+ years ago in right knee, got it fixed and haven't had any problems with it since until now) and PCL (2-3 years ago in left knee) so I must have irritated something, I just don't know exactly what the cause is. It was causing some severe discomfort and I wasn't able to bend at the knee all the way causing some reduced mobility but it's been better over the past week or so. It's a ##### getting old! I remember about a week after I turned 30, I pulled some muscle in my leg that I had never pulled before. And then when I turned 35, within a week or so of that, I had some weird foot injury that I never had before either. Now I turn 40 and this happens. :crazy:Hopefully we can continue playing in a men's league after the game. I need that sort of competitive and athletic challenge and would love to keep playing until I get to the age of some of those old guys that I see out there. I have found that as I get older (and slower) my game has changed from speed and size to more fundamental soccer (distributing the ball more effectively) and have actually improved quite a bit in that respect.
:) I was going to ask you specifically because I know you play. Mjolnirs too.I wasn't aware that you'd moved. I'd imagine that the amateur/semi-pro leagues in Miami are great, a lot of more talent/competition, and simply more teams. Sometimes they struggle to fill the 40-team league (total, split into 3 divisions) here.
 
I used to be an MLS-hater myself until I started accepting it for what it is.
I want to. I tell myself I am. But I just haven't been able to do it yet.
Knowing that MLS will never be the EPL in our lifetimes, is there anything particular item that would cause you to be a fan? Would you prefer a general improvement in quality or more teams or a splattering of bigger names? MLS would kill to get people like you to even be a casual fan (attend a handful of games a year, assuming you have local team) and watch some games on TV.
It's the quality. I watched the Hull v Burnley game yesterday before the FA Cup semi. Both teams are fighting relegation. Pretty much guaranteed at least one of them will be relegated. But they'd both dominate MLS.
can't agree more here. i have a very hard time watching MLS. i'm going to watch and support the union. i don't know how many games i can make - i know i just can't make all the home games - but i will try to watch every game.i don't know. i think there is talent in the league. for the most part, its probably very young (roger torres) or very old (jamie moreno). just two examples, but ... is the star of the union's first win going to play for france in the world cup? i haven't heard that he is. i feel like we should view MLS like we view Double-A or Triple-A baseball if it was in our town. Enjoy the players while they are here, then follow them at the next level. That mentality is very hard for an American to take. And that's partly why people say soccer will never succeed in the US.

i took a co-worker to the Union game. he wasn't a big soccer fan, but he was very passionate during the game. at one point, he asked if i thought soccer would succeed in philly. i think in a 20,000-seat stadium like they built, it will succeed. if they tried to play in the linc all the time, i think it would wear off.

but watching MLS is nowhere close to watching an EPL, La Liga, Serie A or Bundesliga game.

is it better than a south american league like argentina or columbia that they show on FSC? probably not.

 
It's the quality. I watched the Hull v Burnley game yesterday before the FA Cup semi. Both teams are fighting relegation. Pretty much guaranteed at least one of them will be relegated. But they'd both dominate MLS.
can't agree more here. i have a very hard time watching MLS. i'm going to watch and support the union. i don't know how many games i can make - i know i just can't make all the home games - but i will try to watch every game.i don't know. i think there is talent in the league. for the most part, its probably very young (roger torres) or very old (jamie moreno). just two examples, but ... is the star of the union's first win going to play for france in the world cup? i haven't heard that he is. i feel like we should view MLS like we view Double-A or Triple-A baseball if it was in our town. Enjoy the players while they are here, then follow them at the next level. That mentality is very hard for an American to take. And that's partly why people say soccer will never succeed in the US.

i took a co-worker to the Union game. he wasn't a big soccer fan, but he was very passionate during the game. at one point, he asked if i thought soccer would succeed in philly. i think in a 20,000-seat stadium like they built, it will succeed. if they tried to play in the linc all the time, i think it would wear off.

but watching MLS is nowhere close to watching an EPL, La Liga, Serie A or Bundesliga game.

is it better than a south american league like argentina or columbia that they show on FSC? probably not.
Trust me, I used to feel the exact same way. The quality isn't as good - no one other than Alexi Lalas will argue otherwise. But in my experience, the thing that really did it for me (and this is going to sound weird) is that there are pecuiliar intricacies about the American game that make it a completely different game then England, Spain, South America.If you're watching it for the same reasons you watch the European leagues, you're bound to be eternally disappointed, no offense. You're going to be disappointed because you're used to watching the buildup, the passing, the traditional skill of the European players.

But there are some things that make the American game great. The pure attacking mentality of the game is always a joy for me to watch. The purist in me loves seeing 0-0 games, sometimes those can be the most exciting games of all. But there's a certain beauty to the counterattacking styles of two teams just going balls-out in a 3-3 draw. Another thing that I enjoy seeing that some people would consider a detractor, is the ability of one player to take over a game. I know many of us watched Messi take over the Arsenal game this past week, but the best players in MLS tend to take over games like that on a regular basis. While it does indicate a significant disparity in the talent, it's cool seeing Stuart Holden or Landon Donovan go off and just dominate the competition. In addition, despite the disparity between the best and the worst players, the parity in MLS between the teams themselves is something refreshing. How often have you watched Manchester United/City or Chelsea absolutely dismantle a team like Bolton or Hull this season alone? I tend to tape and play through most of the games that are shown here, and more often than not, when one of the top clubs are playing a game, it ends up with a lopsided possession/run of play, and sometimes an even more lopsided scoreline. While blowouts do happen in MLS, I've found the general parity of the league to be fun. The Galaxy have probably the two best players in the league, when healthy, and they don't come close to dominating anyone. I've been one to complain about the salary limits from time to time, but it probably is best for a league at this stage of development.

:thumbup: You're not going to see the wonder goals of the world's elite and the brilliant buildups towards chances on goal - but that's what the European leagues are for. You'll see a lot of giveaways and there'll be times when you'll kinda sit there and laugh at the television....but it's a beautiful game. It might not be the beautiful game you're used to seeing, but it's a beautiful game nonetheless - beautiful in a different way. It's a lot of fun to watch once you get past the initial snobbiness of "it's not English football" (that used to be me...I'm sure if you went back and hunted for posts from like 2006 in here, I was saying the same thing). No, it isn't....it will never be English football. But that doesn't mean it can't be enjoyable to watch.

 
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Steve

I could google this, but I'm in the middle of playing poker/watching poker, so I'll just ask.

Yesterday's Union game was played on a field 67 yards wide; much narrower than the norm. How many fields in MLS have narrow dimensions and how does that affect the way the game is played in your opinion?

Also, I doubt you will ever see a mistake on the level of Chris Seitz's Saturday in a European league game.

 
Steve

I could google this, but I'm in the middle of playing poker/watching poker, so I'll just ask.

Yesterday's Union game was played on a field 67 yards wide; much narrower than the norm. How many fields in MLS have narrow dimensions and how does that affect the way the game is played in your opinion?

Also, I doubt you will ever see a mistake on the level of Chris Seitz's Saturday in a European league game.
I didn't see any highlights of the Union game, so I'll have to take your word for it that Seitz really blew it, but blunders really do happen at any level. Here's
, one of the world's best GK's, with an absolutely astounding blunder on one of the world's biggest stages in Euro 08 (around the 3:20 mark). All players make mistakes, players have bad games, etc. I'm not sure if you saw the Arsenal game awhile back, but I and some others commented that Lukasz Fabianski should never dress in an Arsenal uniform again. :kicksrock: I don't really feel like googling it, but yes, a narrower field does have a big impact on the game, IMO. Teams can't spread the field as wide, you tend to see more play bottled up in the middle, which probably would lead to more giveaways. I know that Boca Juniors plays on the field that's about 64.7 m wide (I wikipedia'd that one), which is a bit over 70 yards wide - and they're still a world-famous team with a famous stadium.

I think that 67-yard wide argument is more an indication of the growing pains of the league than it is an indictment on the play.

 
i went to my first mls game last night. the wizards play in a minor league baseball stadium, kinda weird but it works. im going to go to as many games as i can this year, it was a lot of fun and you get a whole lot more out of it watching in person vs tv. the stadium is kind of a trek though, it'd be sweet if they built a soccer stadium closer to town. marvell wynne was playing cb for the rapids, is that where he usually plays for them?

 
I used to be an MLS-hater myself until I started accepting it for what it is.
I want to. I tell myself I am. But I just haven't been able to do it yet.
Knowing that MLS will never be the EPL in our lifetimes, is there anything particular item that would cause you to be a fan? Would you prefer a general improvement in quality or more teams or a splattering of bigger names? MLS would kill to get people like you to even be a casual fan (attend a handful of games a year, assuming you have local team) and watch some games on TV.
It's the quality. I watched the Hull v Burnley game yesterday before the FA Cup semi. Both teams are fighting relegation. Pretty much guaranteed at least one of them will be relegated. But they'd both dominate MLS.
can't agree more here.
Same here. With GolTV, FSC, ESPN Deportes, FSN, and now even ESPN (I don't get FSC2) there is too much better soccer out there to watch MLS. The HD broadcasts will get me to watch a little. If I had a local team I would probably dive right in though. San Diego would be perfect I would think. Load them up with Mexican players and I'm sure they'd do alright.

 
:boner: La Liga kicks off August 25.Also if anyone wants a link to a great forum for handicapping soccer (and a bunch of other sports) lemme know.
:boner: is right.I'll take a PM of that link if you'll send one my way.Good to see that my Hearts boys started off the SPL with a loss to Hibs. :goodposting: And Craig Gordon didn't play, so his transfer to either Sunderland or Aston Villa is basically completed. It's gonna be a long year.....maybe Arsenal can get my hopes up.
:lmao: love reading these old posts.
 
I don't see any problem with him going over there and giving Benfica a try.....but if he can't break into the starting XI, he needs to get out of there like LD did with Germany. Come back to the US, go somewhere else, whatever, but riding out what are some of your prime years (early 20s) at Benfica on the bench would be a monumental detriment to Adu's development as a player. JMHO, but if Adu is sitting on the Benfica bench after the 2010 World Cup....he'll never get to the prophetic level (I don't think he can ever reach the hype, but that's another story).
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Same here. With GolTV, FSC, ESPN Deportes, FSN, and now even ESPN (I don't get FSC2) there is too much better soccer out there to watch MLS. The HD broadcasts will get me to watch a little.

If I had a local team I would probably dive right in though. San Diego would be perfect I would think. Load them up with Mexican players and I'm sure they'd do alright.

does anyone? FiOS is charging an arm and a leg and every time i go by the channel to see what i'm missing, its something i could have watched for free on FSC. i don't get it.

i hate this quoted text block limit.

 
Steve Tasker said:
So, time for the yearly question - who's playing this summer?We had our first practice of the year. I played pretty well considering I haven't had any game action in awhile. It's amazing the vast difference between being "in shape" and being "in game shape". We played for about 2 hours and I'm ####### gassed.
My summer league doesn't start until June. Right now I'm playing softball. Gotta keep these old muscles moving.
 
Same here. With GolTV, FSC, ESPN Deportes, FSN, and now even ESPN (I don't get FSC2) there is too much better soccer out there to watch MLS. The HD broadcasts will get me to watch a little.

If I had a local team I would probably dive right in though. San Diego would be perfect I would think. Load them up with Mexican players and I'm sure they'd do alright.

does anyone? FiOS is charging an arm and a leg and every time i go by the channel to see what i'm missing, its something i could have watched for free on FSC. i don't get it.

i hate this quoted text block limit.
i do. they have some matches that aren't on fsc, they also air rugby on fsc+. never really watched it before, pretty sweet.
 
So any tips on getting into a pickup game?

I haven't played since I lived in Spain and did the occasional fútbolito.

How do pickup games work in the states? Do I need cleats and shin guards like I used to wear back in the day?

 
bweiser said:
Back from the Linc for the Union's 'home' opener. There were 34,480 of us there. Would have liked to have topped 40K. Really wanted to break the league attendance record. Oh well.

The crowd was disappointingly subdued in my area (midfieldish, about 12 yards away actually). The Sons of Ben sections, however, were jumping. Looked like a heck of a lot of fun to be in those sections. If only they were centrally located and not on the goal line. Oh well.
congrats on the first win! Nice to see an MLS team not lay an egg in front of a huge opening crowd. That should help future sales although from everything I have read, the team will likely sell out almost every game at the new stadium.In terms of an attendance record, I don't think that would have been possible to set at the Linc. The MLS record is over 90k at the Rose Bowl.

I heard the Sons of Ben were great. You have reported what most people do though, in that for many MLS stadiums, outside of the supporter groups (most of which are located behind the goal), the stadiums can be pretty quiet.

As someone who stood behind the goal for a decade in NE, I can only recommend that you try it. Goals that are scored right in front of you with that atmosphere make for an incredible experience.
i don't know about that. when seattle opened last year they set an MLS record at about 38,000 at the Seahawks stadium.
The Galaxy did have over 90,000 at a match when they played at the Rose Bowl, but that's because it was part of a doubleheader with the U.S. vs. Mexico in a Gold Cup match preceding it, so it probably doesn't count as an MLS attendance record.
 
So any tips on getting into a pickup game?I haven't played since I lived in Spain and did the occasional fútbolito.How do pickup games work in the states? Do I need cleats and shin guards like I used to wear back in the day?
Some people wear 'em, some don't. It just depends on whether or not you're a hacker or one of those "finesse" players...
 
So any tips on getting into a pickup game?I haven't played since I lived in Spain and did the occasional fútbolito.How do pickup games work in the states? Do I need cleats and shin guards like I used to wear back in the day?
Some people wear 'em, some don't. It just depends on whether or not you're a hacker or one of those "finesse" players...
Since my tough is pretty much gone (and I didn't have any to begin with really), I guess I'm the former.
 
Go to 3:15 to see Seitz's abomination

About 40 seconds earlier is another just brutal giveaway by a central defender.
oh damn... that's pretty terrible
yeah, it was way worse than cech's. cech went up for a ball, on a rainy day, and it slipped through his fingers. not exactly 'bone-headed' in my opinion.
Pretty terrible, but it's not like plays like that happen every day in MLS. That's a very rare occurrence, like it is in any league.
 
SteveI could google this, but I'm in the middle of playing poker/watching poker, so I'll just ask.Yesterday's Union game was played on a field 67 yards wide; much narrower than the norm. How many fields in MLS have narrow dimensions and how does that affect the way the game is played in your opinion?
In the older days this was a big issue for the league. Many games were played in the narrower older football ball stadiums.In the 15 years since the league has started, a bunch of teams have built their own soccer stadiums now with the correct width dimensionsColumbus, Dallas, Colorado, LA, Chicago, Salt Lake, NY, and Chivas all play in soccer stadiums.Also, newer Football stadiums like Gillette and Qwest were built with soccer in mind so they have the proper width.Soon Phili will move into a soccer stadium and next year KC will move into their new stadium. I also believe both new expansion teams next year should have the proper width of their stadiums. It won't be long until this issue is all but removed from the league.
 
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bweiser said:
Back from the Linc for the Union's 'home' opener. There were 34,480 of us there. Would have liked to have topped 40K. Really wanted to break the league attendance record. Oh well.

The crowd was disappointingly subdued in my area (midfieldish, about 12 yards away actually). The Sons of Ben sections, however, were jumping. Looked like a heck of a lot of fun to be in those sections. If only they were centrally located and not on the goal line. Oh well.
congrats on the first win! Nice to see an MLS team not lay an egg in front of a huge opening crowd. That should help future sales although from everything I have read, the team will likely sell out almost every game at the new stadium.In terms of an attendance record, I don't think that would have been possible to set at the Linc. The MLS record is over 90k at the Rose Bowl.

I heard the Sons of Ben were great. You have reported what most people do though, in that for many MLS stadiums, outside of the supporter groups (most of which are located behind the goal), the stadiums can be pretty quiet.

As someone who stood behind the goal for a decade in NE, I can only recommend that you try it. Goals that are scored right in front of you with that atmosphere make for an incredible experience.
i don't know about that. when seattle opened last year they set an MLS record at about 38,000 at the Seahawks stadium.
The Galaxy did have over 90,000 at a match when they played at the Rose Bowl, but that's because it was part of a doubleheader with the U.S. vs. Mexico in a Gold Cup match preceding it, so it probably doesn't count as an MLS attendance record.
yeah I mentioned that in my post about the double headers.The largest attended stand alone MLS game was probably the inaugural LA home opener which drew over 69k.

 
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i went to my first mls game last night. the wizards play in a minor league baseball stadium, kinda weird but it works. im going to go to as many games as i can this year, it was a lot of fun and you get a whole lot more out of it watching in person vs tv. the stadium is kind of a trek though, it'd be sweet if they built a soccer stadium closer to town. marvell wynne was playing cb for the rapids, is that where he usually plays for them?
Wynne has always been a wing back. I think this is his first season playing in the middle.As for the new stadium in KC, are you aware that they are already building a soccer stadium there to open next season? I don't know whether this is a good location for you or not in terms of distance

Here are some facts about the stadium and a web cam of the early building process:

http://www.kcwizards.com/fact-sheet

http://webcams.insightkc.com/kcwizards/

 
I will definitely be attending a few Fire games this year. Hopefully, it helps.
thats cool.What do you think of their stadium? I have never been to it yet but it looks nice on TV
My impression is that Toyota Park is a beautiful stadium, but was much less convenient for me at the time than Soldier Field. That's just a matter of where I lived when I was in Chicago. My wife and I used to ride our bikes to Soldier for Fire games several times a year. By comparison, getting to Toyota Park was a major hassle. As a result, the only game I saw there was when Chelsea played an exhibition against the MLS all-stars.
 
Interesting note about the Mexican National Team. All domestic based players (which make up a large portion of their national team), have already been released by their teams and have joined a national team camp. Mexico will now be playing a bunch of friendlies in the US and Europe to prepare for the World Cup.

 
I will definitely be attending a few Fire games this year. Hopefully, it helps.
thats cool.What do you think of their stadium? I have never been to it yet but it looks nice on TV
My impression is that Toyota Park is a beautiful stadium, but was much less convenient for me at the time than Soldier Field. That's just a matter of where I lived when I was in Chicago. My wife and I used to ride our bikes to Soldier for Fire games several times a year. By comparison, getting to Toyota Park was a major hassle. As a result, the only game I saw there was when Chelsea played an exhibition against the MLS all-stars.
I went to a game there last summer, and while it's a nice complex, it's nowhere near as nice as BMO Field (the only soccer stadium I can compare it to). It was a good experience and a fine stadium, certainly better than some other places I've seen in other sports, but it's not at the level of BMO. Maybe that's just because BMO Field is newer, I don't know.I will agree that getting there was a bit of a hassle. No real public transport out there (could've probably taken the bus, but we decided not to) and it's way out in the middle of nowhere - compared to downtown Chicago and the location of Soldier Field, at least. Most people have to park in this massive parking lot which doesn't have anywhere near enough exits as it should.
 
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I will definitely be attending a few Fire games this year. Hopefully, it helps.
thats cool.What do you think of their stadium? I have never been to it yet but it looks nice on TV
My impression is that Toyota Park is a beautiful stadium, but was much less convenient for me at the time than Soldier Field. That's just a matter of where I lived when I was in Chicago. My wife and I used to ride our bikes to Soldier for Fire games several times a year. By comparison, getting to Toyota Park was a major hassle. As a result, the only game I saw there was when Chelsea played an exhibition against the MLS all-stars.
Yeah, they didn't make it easy. You have to take the Orange Line to Midway Airport then catch an express bus to the stadium.
 
Back from the Linc for the Union's 'home' opener. There were 34,480 of us there. Would have liked to have topped 40K. Really wanted to break the league attendance record. Oh well.Great start to the game, up 2-0. A couple of beautiful goals and great assists (from Torres and Moreno). Should have gone up 3-0 early in the second on a Le Toux breakaway. Great save/play by DC keeper - and then all hell broke loose. All I can say is, if you haven't seen the game, watch the second half. In particular, the second DC goal. I challenge you to think of something a professional athlete has done that has been so pathetic as the Union goalkeeper's play on the second goal. Seriously. I wouldn't expect that from a u-6 goalie. Got the deserved late goal from Le Toux to complete the hat trick - I think it was Moreno who was fouled just outside the box on a bit of a breakaway. Nice free kick, well placed by Le Toux. He can do it all. Clearly, DC is a better team with Jaime Moreno on the field. I guess he just doesn't have 90 or even 60 minutes in him anymore? But their defense is awful.On to thoughts on the Union: I ripped them pretty good after the first game, so I'll give them their due in game 2. Much improved. Mwanga didn't play. Two best players are clearly Torres and Le Toux with Moreno a close third. Califf is OK in the back and Arietta played pretty well. The left side of the defense is just an absolute sieve. The left back, in particular, needs to head to the bench. They are going to give up a lot of goals when they face really good forwards. The crowd was big, and supportive, especially when something good - or bad - happened. Very negative to the refs I thought and to the DC players. But that's what we get in Philly.The crowd was disappointingly subdued in my area (midfieldish, about 12 yards away actually). The Sons of Ben sections, however, were jumping. Looked like a heck of a lot of fun to be in those sections. If only they were centrally located and not on the goal line. Oh well. It was also my first time in the Linc. Place is pretty awesome for a football stadium.
I will echo a lot of what was said here. The crowd was great, particularly the SOB sections, and the place went completely mental for the 3rd Le Toux goal. I would say at least 5,000 people missed the first goal due to the tightened security with Biden in the house. Hopefully by the time the team moves into PPL the rest of the stadium, particularly the midfield sections, will be able to pick up on and join in of some of the chants that they were starting in the SOB section.I also have to give props to the DC travelling support just for the sheer numbers - at least 1,000 were packed into the upper deck behind the goal opposite the SOBs and were very loud pre-game and after the two goals. Glad I didn't sit underneath them however as many reports of beer tossing have been circulating around. I've never seen anything quite like the Seitz incident, and it looks like Condoul had a pretty bad gaffe for RBNY as well.ETA: Oh and Arrieta, nice pickup. Completely night and day from Myrie. DC did nothing all night on his flank, and he also started the break on the Union's second goal with the pass to Moreno who sprung Le Toux with a beautiful ball threaded through two defenders. Jack Mac brought some energy once again as a late sub, and Torres is just special. He's so small though, I hope he can hold up physically.
 
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