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derek245583
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Mjolnirs
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Steve Tasker
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Won't matter either way if they make the Champions League, City will be challenging for the title within the next 2-3 years, IMO.
Native
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Every year that miss out on the top four pushes their prospects back another year. Still, I agree with you. These guys will regularly threaten Liverpool and Arsenal for CL births.
LHUCKS
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Just wanted to say it's been a real joy talking soccer with the South Americans while I've been down here...I've actually been to four of the WC countries...Chile, Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil...pretty much every single person I've approached is knowledgable. Here are the general attitudes from the locals and their teams:
Brazil - "we're the best, Kaka needs to show up because sometimes he doesn't, we'll win our group, and probably the WC because we're so damn good...worried about defense."
Uruguay - "We play as a team much better than the Argentinians, we're very good given the size of our country...we're going to win our group. We don't get enough recognition because of Argentina and Brazil."
Argentina - "we're a trainwreck...we love Maradona but don't trust him as a coach, the problem with the management of our team is that everybody in Argentina is a soccer expert and also our players don't play as a team, Messi is GOD"
Chile - "we're excited but we're not crazy like the Argentinians, we just enjoy being a part of it, but don't expect to do much...our favorite player is Messi even though we don't care for Argentinians since they look down on us."
Of course, this is just what I've put together...nothing scientific...still a blast to talk about soccer with folks that are so passionate about it...they know more about the American players than most Americans do...I had one guy in Chile(from Spain originally) tell me every single player on the US team with European experience...I was floored.
It's also interesting how favorable they view Freddy Adu down here...on three separate occasions he was mentioned as one our better players, and I of course told them he hasn't been in favor so much lately.
Brazil - "we're the best, Kaka needs to show up because sometimes he doesn't, we'll win our group, and probably the WC because we're so damn good...worried about defense."
Uruguay - "We play as a team much better than the Argentinians, we're very good given the size of our country...we're going to win our group. We don't get enough recognition because of Argentina and Brazil."
Argentina - "we're a trainwreck...we love Maradona but don't trust him as a coach, the problem with the management of our team is that everybody in Argentina is a soccer expert and also our players don't play as a team, Messi is GOD"
Chile - "we're excited but we're not crazy like the Argentinians, we just enjoy being a part of it, but don't expect to do much...our favorite player is Messi even though we don't care for Argentinians since they look down on us."
Of course, this is just what I've put together...nothing scientific...still a blast to talk about soccer with folks that are so passionate about it...they know more about the American players than most Americans do...I had one guy in Chile(from Spain originally) tell me every single player on the US team with European experience...I was floored.
It's also interesting how favorable they view Freddy Adu down here...on three separate occasions he was mentioned as one our better players, and I of course told them he hasn't been in favor so much lately.
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Steve Tasker
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I'll go so far as to say that they'll be challenging United and Chelsea for the title, leaving Arsenal and Liverpool to battle for the remaining Champions League slot with the usual challengers.
City will struggle to bring in more big names without CL football. Once their in, they'll be free to use their infinite money though. Go Spurs tomorrow!
The Z Machine
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So uhhh, how are my stickers coming?
The Z Machine
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City will keep getting players like Robinho who has talent, but is just after the money, and will quit on them at the drop of a hat.Eff City.City will struggle to bring in more big names without CL football. Once their in, they'll be free to use their infinite money though. Go Spurs tomorrow!
derek245583
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I have some questions on how the offseason works in the EPL. So far that is the only thing I can get into besides the US National team.....
How is player movement? Like, I am reading all of this stuff about Man City getting all of these high priced transfers, but how does it work with the players they have? Such as....Carlos Tevez isnt happy with Mancini, but since he has 3 years left on his contract, what are his options?
Does City just "cut" players in the normal sense of "cut" like in the NFL?
Basically, I understand that any team can pay other clubs for their players....called transfers. But I dont really understand much else.
Any EPL player movement 101 would be excellent. TIA.
How is player movement? Like, I am reading all of this stuff about Man City getting all of these high priced transfers, but how does it work with the players they have? Such as....Carlos Tevez isnt happy with Mancini, but since he has 3 years left on his contract, what are his options?
Does City just "cut" players in the normal sense of "cut" like in the NFL?
Basically, I understand that any team can pay other clubs for their players....called transfers. But I dont really understand much else.
Any EPL player movement 101 would be excellent. TIA.
Steve Tasker
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Players can be (and often are) released. I'm not sure as to the nature of the contracts and whether they're guaranteed like in some sports.I can't imagine them cutting anyone like Tevez though - I'm sure someone would love to pay to have him. Most players who seem to get "cut", in the sense that we're all used to, are the reserve team guys who hit, say, age 21 and haven't panned out.
derek245583
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So City may add Maria, Luiz, Torres, and Gerrard and not lose anyone? That is stupid and their isnt enough room for them.From what I understand Shaun Wright Phillips' contract is up...he wont be backI need to find some contracts and info somewhere.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Typically there's a termination fee for ending a contract early. I suppose that it could be as high as the remaining value on the contract but usually there's a negotiation.
derek245583
Footballguy
Can you "trade" a player away? Instead of just cutting them?
Texas Football
Footballguy
Not really. It still follows the buying a player model. The teams agree that one player is equal to the other player. It's still up to the player(agent) to make terms with the interested party.A player can sit on his contract (barring buyout) and be paid his weekly salary.
The Z Machine
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That's a good point TF. A player can simply refuse to sign with the team he's being sold to, and can simply sit on his contract, collecting a paycheck.
So in many senses, the contracts are guaranteed.
There's musch less parity in European soccer than in US sports. For example, Xerez will never win la liga, and Real Madrid will never get relegated (although we can hope).
So in many senses, the contracts are guaranteed.
There's musch less parity in European soccer than in US sports. For example, Xerez will never win la liga, and Real Madrid will never get relegated (although we can hope).
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Native
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There are two primary ways to acquire players in the offseason.1) the "Transfer" Market. Teams can sell players to other teams in exchange for a transfer fee - the better the player, the higher the fee. Manchester United sold Cristiano Ronaldo to Real Madrid last summer for a world record transfer fee of 80 million pounds ($130M). Once teams agree to a transfer price, the new team and the player must agree to individual contract terms. Most teams (i.e those without deep pockets) usually have to sell players in order to finance the purchases of new players. That said, the big guns (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester United, Chelsea, Milan, Inter and more recently Manchester City) can spend big bucks on players from other clubs without worrying about selling first. 2) Players that reach the end of their current contracts can sign with any team. This is more like Free Agency.
Steve Tasker
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Bosman transfer
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Why you gots to go there?
derek245583
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Cool, thanks for the help guys
Desert_Power
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This number is now 31 FYI.Golden Shoe standings as of April 26th. Anyone know how they determine which leagues get 2 points per goal while others (Holland, Switzerland, Israel) get only 1.5?
Lame
http://www.worldsoccer.com/esm/esmgoldenshoe.php
POS PLAYER TEAM GOALS FACTOR PTS
1 Lionel Messi Barcelona (Spa) 27 x 2 54
andy_b
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Welcome to the Freddy Adu theory of lets make every coach I play for angry because I won't work in practice.God I hate reading these things about our young players. It makes me wonder what is going wrong in the youth system.
CletiusMaximus
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You're probably right, but the top players will definitely be discouraged if they can't play in the CL next year. I'm taking a late lunch with a work buddy who is a Manchester native and life-long City fan. Hopefully they put on a good show. Spurs have only Burnley at home next Sunday, so could be content with a draw, but that would be risky. I think both teams will be playing for the win.
Forbes just had an article about European football.The chairman of the EPL fiercely opposes any type of salary cap arrangement, and much prefers the free enterprise/capital market type arrangement that is currently in place. The contention is the best teams will be able to afford the best players as they have the highest revenue streams.Was a pretty decent article, some highlights (and things I was not aware of)-A lot of the EPL teams have high debt ratios, in stark comparison to their Spanish/Italian and German counterparts. Teams like Barcelona and AC Milan have zero debt, hell even Juventus who was flat out crushed a few years back with their penalty relegation to Serie B which killed revenues, only has like a 6% debt ratio. -EPL television and rights contract is obviously a large sum of money, however, not doled out equally in revenue sharing as is the case in American sports. Something like 50% is equally shared, and the other 50% divided by performance and number of appearances (obviously favoring the likes of ManU and Chelsea). Other leagues have similar type arrangements. However, La Liga does not have this type of arrangement, and Barcelona and Real Madrid negotiate their own appearance contracts which leads to much, much, much, MUCH higher revenue for these teams. Not sure this is really in the best interest of the game/league, but it does make for two perennial powerhouses.-They listed the top 20 valued European teams, with most of the usual suspects.....until you get to #20. Not an EPL team, Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A, hell even a Ligue One or SPL team. #20 valued team is none other than SOON to be back to the EPL - Newcastle United.GO WIGAN
derek245583
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I dont like Chelsea at all and would like to see ManU win the championship.
But I like City and not sure if I should be rooting for ManU or not. I like Rooney and Nani though.
But I like City and not sure if I should be rooting for ManU or not. I like Rooney and Nani though.
The Z Machine
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I wonder if it's on ESPN360?
Texas Football
Footballguy
It doesn't look like it is on 360. Roma v Inter is though.
Native
Footballguy
Congrats to Tottenham. Theyve now beaten Arsenal, Chelsea and City in the last month of the season. Truly deserving of a place in Europe. Spurs have a nice cast of talent - Defoe, Crouch, Modric, Lennon, Pavlyuchenko, King etc. No superstars but many capable players. And they play well together too.
As for City, per our earlier conversation, it will be interesting to see what happens to them this summer. Mancini may well be out the door. Same with some of their big name signings like Tevez, Robinho and Roque Cruz. Theres no doubt that City's money will still buy them some young, top talent - however it will cost them more as players will not be rushing to Manchester as fast as if they had secured a CL spot.
As for City, per our earlier conversation, it will be interesting to see what happens to them this summer. Mancini may well be out the door. Same with some of their big name signings like Tevez, Robinho and Roque Cruz. Theres no doubt that City's money will still buy them some young, top talent - however it will cost them more as players will not be rushing to Manchester as fast as if they had secured a CL spot.
Hey! Hey! Hey! Crouchie is a superstar. A NACHOS! eatin' superstar!
Major
Footballguy
Don't forget Bale. He makes ##### happen. Tottenham Spurs are the Houston Rockets of the NBA.
scoobygang
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Also Sebastian Bassong is the best young center back in the Premiere League (who Newcastle inexplicably failed to play consistently) and Gomes (Gomez?) has been brilliant in goal after his typical rough start to the season.Spurs are probably the deepest team in the league outside of defense. Modric got hurt and Krancjar came in. Lennon got hurt and Bentley played well. Defoe and Crouch cooled down and Pavlyuchenko and even Gudjohnsen started scoring.
El Floppo
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And let's not forget they started the season... poorly. quick edit... that was last year. wow- they're really blurring these days.oh yeah.....
forza inter!
derek245583
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Steve Tasker
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El Floppo
Footballguy
Whatever happened to Jonathan Woodgate?
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Think I'm gonna start the official World Cup thread tonight....
Native
Footballguy
Texas Football
Footballguy
Inter with the a chance at the treble this year.
Mourinho is going to be the Liverpool coach next year. I just don't see this not happening. Who will he bringing in from Inter? Please say Maicon.
Mourinho is going to be the Liverpool coach next year. I just don't see this not happening. Who will he bringing in from Inter? Please say Maicon.
El Floppo
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I'll eat my icon if he coaches Liverpool... unless they bring in some mega-richy-rich owner that pays him a gazillion dollars and guarantees he can have an unlimited budget to go after whoever he wants. Wasn't somebody linking him to Real Madrid? I see that happening before Liverpool.
El Floppo
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