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DCThunder said:
Txns8 said:
Txns8 said:
SkySports reporter speculating that Blattner is up for re-election next year. His competition is said to be a Qatarian delegate. Interesting....
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Same guy also tossed out if Brazil fail and drop out that the US or England could be slid in as a replacement now they aren't in line.
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Yeah, I think Brazil has/will have lots of problems with both the 2014 Cup and 2016 Olympics.
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Yet England couldn't handle both 6 years apart: :angry:
 
DCThunder said:
Steve Tasker said:
DCThunder said:
LOL, looks like Democratic Party politicians are 0 for 2 in trying to influence international selection committees... :angry:
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This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with politic$.
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Well, our two "world leaders", Pres. Obama and Bill Clinton each tried to "influence" a selection committee, Obama the IOC into giving the Olympics to Chicago and now Slick Willie tries to steer the WC to the US. And both struck out.
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Yeah it sure is a shame they didn't bribe the committees enough. Though, I'm sure you would be complaining regardless. ;)
 
I think he means that if the Brazlians have problems getting their stadiums/infrastructure/security/drug gangs/ etc. problems solved, and FIFA has to pull the Cup away from them, it could go to the US/England. This happened when the US hosted a Women's WC when China screwed the pooch on it. There was similar thoughts that South Africa couldn't pull off a WC too, and it wouldn't surprise me if the same issues arise with Qatar down the road.

 
So, maybe its time to invade Switzerland. Maybe just form an alternate to FIFA. That was an embarassment. They completely ignored the technical committees. Qatar's bid was even labeled 'high risk'. Freakin joke.

 
I wonder if they will relax their laws regarding alcohol:

There are strict laws concerning alcohol. After alcohol has been bought it should be concealed from view in the car. The alcohol should be transported home directly. Alcohol may only be drunk at home or in a licenced bar or restaurant. You may not sell or give away alcohol, or drink while inebriated. It is illegal to be drunk in a public place.
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PARTY CENTRAL!!!
 
2026 is going to be interesting when they get around to it in 8 years (or whenever they decide on it and by decide on it, I mean need to be bribed again). Gulati is already out saying the US hasn't thought about it yet, but that China can't bid b/c Qatar is in Asia. Besides for the US and Mexico I don't exactly know who else that leaves. Europe seems too soon since they held it in '18 and SA seems too soon since they held it in '14. I guess you get a joint African bid, but the most logical choice in Egypt seems out now that Qatar has the Middle East bid.

The big loser in today's vote may be Western Europe who may not see a WC until 2034 now.

 
They're revealing the vote totals now...so Spain/Portugal had their 7 votes throughout...how convienient.

US lost 14 to 8 in the final round of voting.

 
Classic FIFA decision making here. :sadbanana:

The problem (aside from, ya know, not making it rain on the voters every chance me got) is that we are always a good failsafe to have back there. We literally could be the plan B for any of these cup bids if something goes wrong and FIFA knows that. Brazil stadiums fall hopefully behind? Go to the US. Same issue for Russia? They can always go to the US. Middle-east unstable? They can go to the US.

This reminds me of the year they almost put the Super Bowl in Veterans Stadium in Philly. Except, ya know, they didn't actually do that!

Of course, all 22 of these voters will be living it up in their seaside villas and won't really care anyway.

I mean, what's the attendance of that World Cup going to be? Will they be able to beat Uruguay '30 attendance even?

I still have to say it'll be :popcorn: from afar in watching that one. Ridiculous decision for sure.

Projecting forward:

'26. US or Europe, unless of course FIFA rewrites its rules yet again. Then China.

'30. If US got '26 (or China), Europe is a mortal lock. Otherwise if Europe got '26 - China.

'34 If the US hadn't gotten it (thorough bid or as back-up) then there's finally as clear a shot as can be had.

:kicksrock:

-QG

 
Sammy3469 said:
2026 is going to be interesting when they get around to it in 8 years (or whenever they decide on it and by decide on it, I mean need to be bribed again). Gulati is already out saying the US hasn't thought about it yet, but that China can't bid b/c Qatar is in Asia. Besides for the US and Mexico I don't exactly know who else that leaves. Europe seems too soon since they held it in '18 and SA seems too soon since they held it in '14. I guess you get a joint African bid, but the most logical choice in Egypt seems out now that Qatar has the Middle East bid. The big loser in today's vote may be Western Europe who may not see a WC until 2034 now.
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Europe seems to get it every 8 years, so I don't think they are out of the running for 2026. See below:1982 - Spain1990 - Italy1998 - France2006 - Germany2018 - RussiaProbably England, USA, Spain/Portugal in for 2026.
 
Sammy3469 said:
2026 is going to be interesting when they get around to it in 8 years (or whenever they decide on it and by decide on it, I mean need to be bribed again). Gulati is already out saying the US hasn't thought about it yet, but that China can't bid b/c Qatar is in Asia. Besides for the US and Mexico I don't exactly know who else that leaves. Europe seems too soon since they held it in '18 and SA seems too soon since they held it in '14. I guess you get a joint African bid, but the most logical choice in Egypt seems out now that Qatar has the Middle East bid. The big loser in today's vote may be Western Europe who may not see a WC until 2034 now.
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I'm not sure if the rules have changed, but Europe has had a World Cup every 8 years from 1958 through 2006. 2014 will break that streak.
 
Steve Tasker said:
Sammy3469 said:
2026 is going to be interesting when they get around to it in 8 years (or whenever they decide on it and by decide on it, I mean need to be bribed again). Gulati is already out saying the US hasn't thought about it yet, but that China can't bid b/c Qatar is in Asia. Besides for the US and Mexico I don't exactly know who else that leaves. Europe seems too soon since they held it in '18 and SA seems too soon since they held it in '14. I guess you get a joint African bid, but the most logical choice in Egypt seems out now that Qatar has the Middle East bid. The big loser in today's vote may be Western Europe who may not see a WC until 2034 now.
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I'm not sure if the rules have changed, but Europe has had a World Cup every 8 years from 1958 through 2006. 2014 will break that streak.
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I'm sure Andy knows better, but I thought they had changed the rotational system so they could only get it every third cup now
 
Qatar literally has to build a city. They don't have the hotels, airports, stadeums, training facilities, etc. And it all has to be built so people literally don't have to ever go outside. The idea that they were even in contention is bizarre. Even given unlimited money that is a huge undertaking.

It's being reported that England got two votes, one of them their own :kicksrock: .

 
jonessed said:
Qatar literally has to build a city. They don't have the hotels, airports, stadeums, training facilities, etc. And it all has to be built so people literally don't have to ever go outside. The idea that they were even in contention is bizarre. Even given unlimited money that is a huge undertaking.It's being reported that England got two votes, one of them their own :loco: .
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Hey, that's what an investigative free press gets you. :shrug:
 
Sammy3469 said:
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2022 FIFA World Cup™

Round 1: Australia 1 vote, Japan 3 votes, Korea Republic 4 votes, Qatar 11 votes, USA 3 votes (Australia eliminated)

Round 2: Japan 2 votes, Korea Republic 5 votes, Qatar 10 votes and USA 5 votes (Japan eliminated)

Round 3: Korea Republic 5 votes, Qatar 11 votes, USA 6 votes (Korea Republic eliminated)

Round 4: Qatar 14 votes and USA 8 votes (Qatar obtained an absolute majority)
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It was never even close...
 
Sammy3469 said:
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So Qatar had 11 to start? :shrug: clearly.Heck the US finished tied for 3rd in the first round of voting with only 3 votes! (Qatar 11 Korea 4 US 3 Japan 3 poor Australia 1) :no:

There was no losing on the merits it was :loco: as well as the assertion that the Arab world has never had a chance to host (which is the only part of the argument that's fair btw). Again to benefit China it wouldn't surprise me at all if FIFA somehow came up with the argument that the Arab world is distinct and that thus China should be eligible.

This hemisphere is getting screwed btw.

-QG

 
QuizGuy66 said:
Sammy3469 said:
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So Qatar had 11 to start? :thumbup: clearly.Heck the US finished tied for 3rd in the first round of voting with only 3 votes! (Qatar 11 Korea 4 US 3 Japan 3 poor Australia 1) :no:

There was no losing on the merits it was :lmao: as well as the assertion that the Arab world has never had a chance to host (which is the only part of the argument that's fair btw). Again to benefit China it wouldn't surprise me at all if FIFA somehow came up with the argument that the Arab world is distinct and that thus China should be eligible.

This hemisphere is getting screwed btw.

-QG
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My god what a ridiculous decision this has been.
 
jonessed said:
Txns8 said:
Will they release who voted for who?
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No.It might actually be an enjoyable tournament as long as you aren't Gay, Asian, Jewish, or prone to excessive drinking.
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Wonder if they're going to pay their people to sit in the stadiums and cheer, cause I can't imagine anyone really wanting to take a 2-4 week vacation in a country no bigger than a square with 67 mile sides in the middle of no where and unbearable heat.
 
dparker713 said:
jonessed said:
Txns8 said:
Will they release who voted for who?
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No.It might actually be an enjoyable tournament as long as you aren't Gay, Asian, Jewish, or prone to excessive drinking.
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Wonder if they're going to pay their people to sit in the stadiums and cheer, cause I can't imagine anyone really wanting to take a 2-4 week vacation in a country no bigger than a square with 67 mile sides in the middle of no where and unbearable heat.
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This is the first WC where I hope it's an unmitigated disaster.
 
Steve Tasker said:
Sammy3469 said:
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2022 FIFA World Cup™

Round 1: Australia 1 vote, Japan 3 votes, Korea Republic 4 votes, Qatar 11 votes, USA 3 votes (Australia eliminated)

Round 2: Japan 2 votes, Korea Republic 5 votes, Qatar 10 votes and USA 5 votes (Japan eliminated)

Round 3: Korea Republic 5 votes, Qatar 11 votes, USA 6 votes (Korea Republic eliminated)

Round 4: Qatar 14 votes and USA 8 votes (Qatar obtained an absolute majority)
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It was never even close...
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In what may be the biggest upset of the day Al Jazera had this laid out exactly before it was announced.
 
By the way, I am sure the minute Garber gets back to the states he will be working on moving MLS to the international calendar :)

The two entities that will be most affected by this decision are the A-League and MLS. They both missed out on an realtively easy wave to ride.

The Russian league should benefit.

ESPN may in a strange way benefit from lack of competition in the 2018/2022 TV rights.

 
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NewlyRetired said:
Steve Tasker said:
Sammy3469 said:
Votes
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2022 FIFA World Cup™

Round 1: Australia 1 vote, Japan 3 votes, Korea Republic 4 votes, Qatar 11 votes, USA 3 votes (Australia eliminated)

Round 2: Japan 2 votes, Korea Republic 5 votes, Qatar 10 votes and USA 5 votes (Japan eliminated)

Round 3: Korea Republic 5 votes, Qatar 11 votes, USA 6 votes (Korea Republic eliminated)

Round 4: Qatar 14 votes and USA 8 votes (Qatar obtained an absolute majority)
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It was never even close...
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In what may be the biggest upset of the day Al Jazera had this laid out exactly before it was announced.
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probably because they too are owned by the Qatari government and knew everyone was paid off.The more I read and think about this, the more I think it will end up being comical. It's going to be insanely hot and humid. Even if you A/C all the stadium you're and it gets to 80 degrees in the stadiums, its still going to be humid (think playing here in the summer). Nevermind the fact that spectators are going to need to be outside at some point.

 
Sammy3469 said:
NewlyRetired said:
Steve Tasker said:
Sammy3469 said:
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2022 FIFA World Cup™

Round 1: Australia 1 vote, Japan 3 votes, Korea Republic 4 votes, Qatar 11 votes, USA 3 votes (Australia eliminated)

Round 2: Japan 2 votes, Korea Republic 5 votes, Qatar 10 votes and USA 5 votes (Japan eliminated)

Round 3: Korea Republic 5 votes, Qatar 11 votes, USA 6 votes (Korea Republic eliminated)

Round 4: Qatar 14 votes and USA 8 votes (Qatar obtained an absolute majority)
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It was never even close...
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In what may be the biggest upset of the day Al Jazera had this laid out exactly before it was announced.
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probably because they too are owned by the Qatari government and knew everyone was paid off.The more I read and think about this, the more I think it will end up being comical. It's going to be insanely hot and humid. Even if you A/C all the stadium you're and it gets to 80 degrees in the stadiums, its still going to be humid (think playing here in the summer). Nevermind the fact that spectators are going to need to be outside at some point.
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What a joke. FIFA is a piece of #### in terms. They have the world by the balls, and they know it. Everyone in the world will bow their head and suck #### just for the "privileged" of being considered. Seriously, how much power does the FIFA Executive Committee hold here?
 
A poster on Ives Galarcep's blog wrote a very comprehensive post on just how big of a joke this is. Obviously this is a message board post so take it for what it is, but if even half of what he writes is true, 2022 wil be a failwreck of epic proportions:

SJQuakesFan81 said...I lived in Qatar for almost 8 months when I was stationed there with the Army. This is an absolute nightmare. I dont know what FIFA was thinking here.Reasons: 1. Weather. 130 degree temps in the summer. People will die. I dont care if the stadia are air conditioned, as soon as people step outside, their health is at risk. With the hot wind coming off oc the ocean, its like walking into a hot hair dryer. Not to mention black-out sand storms.2. Safety. Qatar is safer than some countries in the Middle East, but not by much. There is little to no law enforcement in Qatar, little to no security infrastructure, and no regard for foreigners. With little security apparata, and close proximity to dangerous terrorist organizations in neighboring countries, this is a security nightmare for Qatar and a dream scenario for our enemies. The spotlight will be bright.3. Infrastructure. There is none. Transportation is an absolute nightmare. Miles and miles and miles of traffic. There is basically one "ring road" freeway that connects all of the villages in the country. Most Qataris just go off the road and speed along the gravel shoulder in their Ferraris and Range Rovers while everyone else sits stuck in traffic behind miles and miles of bumper to bumper traffic. In the heat.4. Cities. There is one. Doha is the only thing you can even call a city. There are a few other villages with populations of under 50k. Doha itself has one airport (which I felt was extremely unsafe...Qataris don't even have to go through security, while foreigners do), one modern shopping mall (which is extravagant...think the Venitian in Vegas) with an attached sports center, and one traditional bazaar (the souqs)area with many dark alleyways. There really isnt anything else there.5. Fan Experience. While there may be some rich cultural opportunities (the bazaar being one, and a couple of Islamic religious and art museums being the others), there is little else to do there. Want to tailgate before games? Forget it, alcohol is forbidden in public. You cannot get a beer at a restaurant either, its not allowed. The only place to drink is in select hotel bars, where you can expect to pay a pretty penny for a drink. Don't even think of walking around in public intoxicated.6. Cultural Sensitivties. While I fully understand and respect Islamic religious values, this will be shocking for some. Women will be expected to be covered at all times. The Qatari women wear full head-to-toe coverings, though foreigners can get away with simply covering their heads and faces with the hijab or a scarf. Pork will not be consumed. Alcohol will not be consumed. Men will not wear shorts (unless on the pitch). This is an extremely conservative society (by Western standards).I could go on and on. I'm very disappointed by this decision. Clearly, money was paramount in this decision. Having spent a great deal of time there, I'm really, really shocked that this is actually going to happen. Not a good idea at all. I will not be attending.
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Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
A poster on Ives Galarcep's blog wrote a very comprehensive post on just how big of a joke this is. Obviously this is a message board post so take it for what it is, but if even half of what he writes is true, 2022 wil be a failwreck of epic proportions:
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It makes me wonder how much of that is going to have to change before 2022. I don't think I'd feel safe as an American player, frankly, unless security measures are significantly tightened. I don't think I'd have a good time as a fan unless some of those laws are loosened. 12 years is a long time....I wonder what'll happen.
 
Steve Tasker said:
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
A poster on Ives Galarcep's blog wrote a very comprehensive post on just how big of a joke this is. Obviously this is a message board post so take it for what it is, but if even half of what he writes is true, 2022 wil be a failwreck of epic proportions:
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It makes me wonder how much of that is going to have to change before 2022. I don't think I'd feel safe as an American player, frankly, unless security measures are significantly tightened. I don't think I'd have a good time as a fan unless some of those laws are loosened. 12 years is a long time....I wonder what'll happen.
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The sexy Brazillian soccer fans who changed the world! It's like a Thomas Friedman book waiting to be written. Badly.
 
Steve Tasker said:
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
A poster on Ives Galarcep's blog wrote a very comprehensive post on just how big of a joke this is. Obviously this is a message board post so take it for what it is, but if even half of what he writes is true, 2022 wil be a failwreck of epic proportions:
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It makes me wonder how much of that is going to have to change before 2022. I don't think I'd feel safe as an American player, frankly, unless security measures are significantly tightened. I don't think I'd have a good time as a fan unless some of those laws are loosened. 12 years is a long time....I wonder what'll happen.
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Andy Najar is taking careful notes :thumbup:
 
QuizGuy66 said:
Classic FIFA decision making here. :hot:The problem (aside from, ya know, not making it rain on the voters every chance me got) is that we are always a good failsafe to have back there. We literally could be the plan B for any of these cup bids if something goes wrong and FIFA knows that. Brazil stadiums fall hopefully behind? Go to the US. Same issue for Russia? They can always go to the US. Middle-east unstable? They can go to the US.This reminds me of the year they almost put the Super Bowl in Veterans Stadium in Philly. Except, ya know, they didn't actually do that!Of course, all 22 of these voters will be living it up in their seaside villas and won't really care anyway. -QG
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This was my first thought as well. I refuse to believe they will actually put the Cup in Qatar. There are just so many things going against it. Something between now and then will happen and it will get pulled. There is no way they can legitimately hold an event of the World Cup's magnitude.
 
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