Well, we will see. If it Arena, as somebody just speculated, I will be unimpressed. I think a fresh outside look at the program from an experienced international coach would be welcome. I also would not mind if the team was based in Europe - better chance to get more Americans overseas in better leagues.
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QuizGuy66
Footballguy
His previous tweet said that Gulati canceled trip to Brazil for WC Draw and is in...California.Unless of course it's Becks
-QG
scoobygang
Footballguy
Yes, the USMNT future hinges on our ability to hire a tactician with the savvy to know that you just can't sit a Messi, a Ronaldo, or a Buddle.
Eephus
Footballguy
Is this the end of Rico?
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
To his credit, though, he did yank Clark almost immediately...thus conceding the biggest "my bad" a professional coach could admit to.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
yeah, you're probably right
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Grant Wahl's tweeting...
"1 top MLS coach convinced USA will hire foreign coach. Available include: Klinsmann, Van Gaal, O'Neill, Lippi, Pekerman, Ancelotti."
"Source: Bradley was blindsided by dismissal. His staff was notifying players yesterday of call-ups for USA-Mexico friendly."
"1 top MLS coach convinced USA will hire foreign coach. Available include: Klinsmann, Van Gaal, O'Neill, Lippi, Pekerman, Ancelotti."
"Source: Bradley was blindsided by dismissal. His staff was notifying players yesterday of call-ups for USA-Mexico friendly."
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Bob Bradley's brother: "5 tournaments, 4 finals. I'm a very proud little brother. That's all."
NMYMND
Footballguy
From WaPo - Just sad
Barcelona workout on the Mall nixed by Park Police
Paul Tenorio, Published: July 28
FC Barcelona, in town for a rematch of the UEFA Champions League final on Saturday against Manchester United at FedEx Field, encountered some trouble Thursday when it tried to hold an impromptu training session on the National Mall. As team members congregated on the Mall near the White House, video and photos posted by Spanish journalists show a U.S. Park Police officer asking team members, “Who is the leader of this group?” According to players and media reports, the team was told it could not train there.
The edited video then showed the players, dressed in yellow team shirts and tennis shoes, boarding the bus along with staff. “Security said you couldn’t have a group of more than 10 or 15 there,” Barcelona midfielder Xavi said in Spanish at a news conference. “We wanted to loosen up a little, stretch. . . . Given that the White House was near so it was normal security, nothing more.”
Sgt. David Schlosser, a public information officer for the U.S. Park Police, said he was not aware of the incident and could not immediately comment.
Barcelona workout on the Mall nixed by Park Police
Paul Tenorio, Published: July 28
FC Barcelona, in town for a rematch of the UEFA Champions League final on Saturday against Manchester United at FedEx Field, encountered some trouble Thursday when it tried to hold an impromptu training session on the National Mall. As team members congregated on the Mall near the White House, video and photos posted by Spanish journalists show a U.S. Park Police officer asking team members, “Who is the leader of this group?” According to players and media reports, the team was told it could not train there.
The edited video then showed the players, dressed in yellow team shirts and tennis shoes, boarding the bus along with staff. “Security said you couldn’t have a group of more than 10 or 15 there,” Barcelona midfielder Xavi said in Spanish at a news conference. “We wanted to loosen up a little, stretch. . . . Given that the White House was near so it was normal security, nothing more.”
Sgt. David Schlosser, a public information officer for the U.S. Park Police, said he was not aware of the incident and could not immediately comment.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Looks to be confirmed. Time to put up or shut up for Klinsmann, I guess...see what he can do. I just hope he lasts awhile with some success and isn't a 1-2 year and done guy.
Eephus
Footballguy
I don't think shutting up is in Klinsmann's DNA. Even if he fails, he'll be more interesting than Bradley or Arena.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
From Ives...
scoobygang
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm skeptical. But at least the team will play some attacking soccer and he'll take some chances with team selection. I don't get too involved in the Nats' success (I think we expect too much of them, frankly), so I'll be watching hoping for drama and/or craziness. Frankly, I wouldn't want to be the coach of the USMNT considering that Mexico's Golden Generation is coming of age and that they may have another in the pipeline. I think El Tri is going to be the top dog in CONCACAF for a long time unless Chicharito becomes a coke addict or something.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I might have to go to the USA/Mexico game on Aug. 10 in Philly now. I wasn't planning on it, but with it being Klinsmann's first game, I kind of want to see what he'll do tactically.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
This is an excellent point, but I think a competitive Mexico could make us better by raising the bar for the Nats.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Where can I learn more about the contrasts between what a Klinsman team would look like on the pitch versus a Bradley team?
I hear words like "attacking" but I would like to hear more specifics. Is there a formation that he favors? Does he favor athleticism over skill or vice versa?
Thoughts?
I hear words like "attacking" but I would like to hear more specifics. Is there a formation that he favors? Does he favor athleticism over skill or vice versa?
Thoughts?
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I'm surprised to see all the skepticism regarding Klinsmann on Ives' comments under the article, but I agree completely. I can envision this either ending badly or getting no better than Bradley. I honestly can say that I think Bradley got the most out of the talent that the US player pool has at this point in time. People complain about boring play and stale tactics, but the US just doesn't have flashy wingers, Sneijder-style playmakers, and goal-a-game strikers. It may have taken him awhile to break out of his 4-5-1 (Brian Ching as lone striker!!!) mentality, but I think that once he felt he had some leeway to take some chances and a little job security, he showed that he could indeed change it up a bit strategically. Tactically, as Sebowski mentioned, there were some mistakes, but again, I give him a lot of credit for recognizing the mistakes (ie Clark starting in the Ghana game) and rectifying them immediately.
I think I've said this almost verbatim here before...or maybe it was on another board....but I'm sad to see Bradley go. I have to admit that I'm excited to have a fresh set of eyes, a European-style guy at the helm. And Klinsmann probably knows the US system as well as any "outsider" European - not counting guys like Rongen and Nowak who've been in the system for awhile. Klinsmann probably has the best pedigree of any realistic available coach for the US - but I just feel like the US isn't there yet. This isn't Germany; the US doesn't have the players to play the stylish passing game, they don't have an in-his-prime Michael Ballack anchoring the midfield, and they don't have one of the most prolific strikers in World Cup history (Miroslav Klose) up front.
I am genuinely intrigued to see what Klinsmann brings, but to be honest, my hopes aren't all that high.
I think I've said this almost verbatim here before...or maybe it was on another board....but I'm sad to see Bradley go. I have to admit that I'm excited to have a fresh set of eyes, a European-style guy at the helm. And Klinsmann probably knows the US system as well as any "outsider" European - not counting guys like Rongen and Nowak who've been in the system for awhile. Klinsmann probably has the best pedigree of any realistic available coach for the US - but I just feel like the US isn't there yet. This isn't Germany; the US doesn't have the players to play the stylish passing game, they don't have an in-his-prime Michael Ballack anchoring the midfield, and they don't have one of the most prolific strikers in World Cup history (Miroslav Klose) up front.
I am genuinely intrigued to see what Klinsmann brings, but to be honest, my hopes aren't all that high.
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scoobygang
Footballguy
Another positive. I can bust out Hogan's Heroes quotes every time they show Klinsmann on the sidelines.
"Landon Donovan! I have to be in Brussels in the morning!"
"Landon Donovan! I have to be in Brussels in the morning!"
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Meh, we just won our WC group and I think most were happy with that run. I think most don't expect us to be Germany/Netherlands/Brazil/Spain but shouldn't we expect to beat Ghana?I'm quite happy with the progress of US Soccer over the last 20 years.This is a major, major problem.
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scoobygang
Footballguy
I would be very, very surprised if Klinsmann played two pure holding midfielders in front of the back four. I would expect one CM to be a box to box guy. Klinsmann's manifesto, which he claims to have put in place in Germany is that players at all ages are taught to play the ball quickly, on the ground, out of the back. That likely means a lot more of the Tim Ream experiment. I think he might value a guy like Chad Marshall more than a Gooch as well. I would not be at all surprised to see Dempsey get more starts either up top or playing in the hole, particularly with decent flank options available like Bedoya and Holden.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Was thinking the exact same thing
LHUCKS
Footballguy
That would seem to favor Edu and Adu? Would you agree?
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Sammy3469
Footballguy
I'm more excited for who/what/how he's going to change the whole youth development system. I'm also hoping he makes the team a whole lot more tactically aware. You read any foreign critisism of this team and it always starts with our tactical shortcomings.
Eephus
Footballguy
I suspect his approach will produce more attractive games against CONCACAF minnows. I'm hoping for the best against stiffer competition and over the long-term, development of young talent with the skills necessary to play in his system. This is obviously asking a lot from a National team head but Klinsmann's big mouth set the expectations higher than if a guy like Lippi was brought in strictly as a coach.
scoobygang
Footballguy
It's hard to know. I think a number of US center mids might excel more going forward. Bradley strikes me as a guy whose abilities were sometimes muted by a lack of license to make late runs in the box (remember the guy scored 17 goals in the Eredivisie). Edu has shown a certain knack for popping up in Rangers games as well. Adu is a guy who never really had an analog in German soccer until recently. But you could argue that Special K might see him as a very poor man's Ozil. This sounds crazy, but I think Freddie's absolute best chance would be to rededicate himself to defense and become a guy who can both break up attacks and release play quickly. You don't have to be physically imposing. Just dedicated. See, Makalele, Claude. Among modern guys, Wilshere is another example of an extremely skilled passer who nevertheless plays well in holding positions. If Freddie really wants it, he could do this.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I cornholed with Tasker there just last week, so I know how to FBG-up the Linc for a soccer match.
Moe.
Footballguy
I'm kinda sad to see Bradley go, but I think it's time. Any accusations of nepotism were probably off-base, but towards the end it seemed like Bob was unwilling to even experiment with lineups that didn't involve his son. Mike is great and I'm sure he'll continue to gets tons of pt under Klinsmann, but he shouldn't be an auto-start like it appeared he was under his father. Just not really a good idea to have a father-son combo in a national team setting, imo.
Eephus
Footballguy
I doubt JK has a clear idea yet
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Here we come Mexico!!
B Maverick
Footballguy
As a Klinsmann fan I am excited to see what he can do with this team. He is why I started wearing #18 (and by a happy coincidence the minister who performed his wedding also performed mine).
I wouldnt expect too much over the next 6 months as he evaluates the players, both current and potential players. Reportedly he has complete control so we may see some names we didnt expect and some exclusion of players that have been called upon without question.
I hope this means the US team will open games stronger and not wait until they are down or until its late to go after it.
I wouldnt expect too much over the next 6 months as he evaluates the players, both current and potential players. Reportedly he has complete control so we may see some names we didnt expect and some exclusion of players that have been called upon without question.
I hope this means the US team will open games stronger and not wait until they are down or until its late to go after it.
Eephus
Footballguy
does your minister play left-back by any chance?
can someone show me what pedigree Klinsmann has to run the USMNT?
I think there were better choices out there.
Not exactly sure why Bradley was shocked over this. I know I made a pretty seething post previous that he's not really to blame here - I'm not really sure what ya'll expect here
USMNT has done pretty well
Can't believe EPL starts in just over 2 weeks
Read somewhere that with the Arguero signing, Man$ity has spent 218m on strikers alone in the past 3 years.
Silva, Tevez, Arguero are any of them over 5'5"?
Gonna be real tricky playing against City this year, they have tons of speed to burn. Some of the things these clubs are doing seem awfully odd to me. City cannot possibly find enough playing time for all of their guys at forward, Liverpool has 14 mf's, just seems weird.
Keep seeing Tevez to Inter, especially if Sneijder goes to United. I just do not see him going to ManU. It looks to me like SAF has tested out a few formations to see how to play his midfield and the results cannot be argued with. Sure, exhibition and lesser competition, but I can definitely see the likes of Anderson, Carrick, Fletcher playing the bridge role between defense and attack, spread out Young, Nani, Valencia on the wings, and have Rooney or Berbatov in the central attack. It looks great to me, tbh. And I love what they are doing on defense, they have 7 solid fullbacks they can roll in and out of their lineup - now it's just up to De Gea to get battle tested in goal.
Other than a coaching change, Chelsea's been very quiet this offseason - I think a lot of other teams have improved, blues, not at all. Still chasing a few players....really think it's going to be a long season there.
QPR has a good chance of staying up for awhile, imo. Getting Campbell was a nice move, he'll offer offense for them. QPR had a very solid season last year.
I think Wolves gonna get dumped after this season to championship. lucky to survive relegation last season, I think Wigan will be better this year, and already think QPR gonna stay, I think Wolves, Swansea City and Norwich get relegated.
I think there were better choices out there.
Not exactly sure why Bradley was shocked over this. I know I made a pretty seething post previous that he's not really to blame here - I'm not really sure what ya'll expect here
USMNT has done pretty well
Can't believe EPL starts in just over 2 weeks
Read somewhere that with the Arguero signing, Man$ity has spent 218m on strikers alone in the past 3 years.
Silva, Tevez, Arguero are any of them over 5'5"?Gonna be real tricky playing against City this year, they have tons of speed to burn. Some of the things these clubs are doing seem awfully odd to me. City cannot possibly find enough playing time for all of their guys at forward, Liverpool has 14 mf's, just seems weird.
Keep seeing Tevez to Inter, especially if Sneijder goes to United. I just do not see him going to ManU. It looks to me like SAF has tested out a few formations to see how to play his midfield and the results cannot be argued with. Sure, exhibition and lesser competition, but I can definitely see the likes of Anderson, Carrick, Fletcher playing the bridge role between defense and attack, spread out Young, Nani, Valencia on the wings, and have Rooney or Berbatov in the central attack. It looks great to me, tbh. And I love what they are doing on defense, they have 7 solid fullbacks they can roll in and out of their lineup - now it's just up to De Gea to get battle tested in goal.
Other than a coaching change, Chelsea's been very quiet this offseason - I think a lot of other teams have improved, blues, not at all. Still chasing a few players....really think it's going to be a long season there.
QPR has a good chance of staying up for awhile, imo. Getting Campbell was a nice move, he'll offer offense for them. QPR had a very solid season last year.
I think Wolves gonna get dumped after this season to championship. lucky to survive relegation last season, I think Wigan will be better this year, and already think QPR gonna stay, I think Wolves, Swansea City and Norwich get relegated.
Eephus
Footballguy
Lots of turmoil at Loftus Road.As a F1 fan, it wouldn't bother me at all to see Bernie & Flav's club get relegated by March. If they sell though, I'm all about the Hoops.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Just some notes on Klinsmann:
The player
Jürgen retired as a professional player after the 1998 World Cup. By this time, he had played 17 seasons in 4 major European football leagues, scoring 226 goals in 506 club matches. In addition, Jürgen played for Germany 108 times, scoring 47 goals, which at the time was the second most goals scored for the German national team. Jürgen represented Germany in 3 European Championships (1998, 1992, and 1996), including winning in 1996. He was the first player to score in 3 different European Championships. Jürgen also represented Germany in 3 World Cups (1990, 1994, and 1998), including winning in 1990. He was the first player to score at least 3 goals in 3 different World Cups. Jürgen was named German Football of the Year in 1988 and 1994, and he was team captain of Germany from 1994 to 1998
The Coach
His club experiences in the top leagues of Germany, Italy, France, and England included learning from successful managers such as Arsene Wenger, Giovanni Trappatoni, Otto Rehhagel, Ossie Ardiles, Gerry Francis, Arie Haan and Cesar Luis Menotti; competing within and against tactical systems that emphasized different styles of play; dealing with the pressures of knock out and championship matches; working with players from numerous countries; and becoming fluent in English, Italian, and French in addition to his native German. Plus, Jürgen competed in over 100 national team matches for Germany all around the world while playing for 2 renowned managers, Franz Beckenbauer and Berti Vogts, and winning both the UEFA European Championship and the FIFA World Cup.
In June 2000, Jürgen earned his German Football Teacher License in a course led by Georg Bisanz that included members of Germany’s winning 1990 FIFA World Cup and 1996 UEFA European Championship teams.
Jürgen continued his on-going coaching education process by participating in and presenting at a number of coaching forums, including the Asian Football Confederation coaching workshop (2001), the National Soccer Coaches Association of America annual conventions, the Footecon symposiums developed by Carlos Alberto Parreira, and adidas’ Elite Soccer Program among others.
For the 2004 Major League Soccer season, Jürgen agreed to become Technical Advisor for the Los Angeles Galaxy.
In this capacity, Jürgen worked with both the coaching staff and players on technical and tactical considerations as well as the personal development needed to become a world class footballer.
In July 2004, the German Football Federation (DFB) asked Jürgen to become manager of the German national team. Germany had been eliminated in the group stage of the 2004 UEFA European Championships, and the DFB wanted the national team program revitalized in preparation for hosting the 2006 FIFA World Cup.
Jürgen melded young, up and coming players with proven veterans; recalled Germany’s championship teams with an aggressive, attacking style of play; insisted on superior fitness; used experts from related fields (e.g. fitness) to enhance preparation; and embraced the team’s role in German society by making Berlin the team’s World Cup headquarters. Jürgen’s leadership approach and coaching acumen resulted in Germany exceeding predictions for the 2004 -2006 time period:
• 34 matches with 20 wins, 8 draws, 6 losses
• 3rd place 2005 FIFA Confederations Cup
• 3rd place 2006 FIFA World Cup
• German Coach of the Year (2006)
The player
Jürgen retired as a professional player after the 1998 World Cup. By this time, he had played 17 seasons in 4 major European football leagues, scoring 226 goals in 506 club matches. In addition, Jürgen played for Germany 108 times, scoring 47 goals, which at the time was the second most goals scored for the German national team. Jürgen represented Germany in 3 European Championships (1998, 1992, and 1996), including winning in 1996. He was the first player to score in 3 different European Championships. Jürgen also represented Germany in 3 World Cups (1990, 1994, and 1998), including winning in 1990. He was the first player to score at least 3 goals in 3 different World Cups. Jürgen was named German Football of the Year in 1988 and 1994, and he was team captain of Germany from 1994 to 1998
The Coach
His club experiences in the top leagues of Germany, Italy, France, and England included learning from successful managers such as Arsene Wenger, Giovanni Trappatoni, Otto Rehhagel, Ossie Ardiles, Gerry Francis, Arie Haan and Cesar Luis Menotti; competing within and against tactical systems that emphasized different styles of play; dealing with the pressures of knock out and championship matches; working with players from numerous countries; and becoming fluent in English, Italian, and French in addition to his native German. Plus, Jürgen competed in over 100 national team matches for Germany all around the world while playing for 2 renowned managers, Franz Beckenbauer and Berti Vogts, and winning both the UEFA European Championship and the FIFA World Cup.
In June 2000, Jürgen earned his German Football Teacher License in a course led by Georg Bisanz that included members of Germany’s winning 1990 FIFA World Cup and 1996 UEFA European Championship teams.
Jürgen continued his on-going coaching education process by participating in and presenting at a number of coaching forums, including the Asian Football Confederation coaching workshop (2001), the National Soccer Coaches Association of America annual conventions, the Footecon symposiums developed by Carlos Alberto Parreira, and adidas’ Elite Soccer Program among others.
For the 2004 Major League Soccer season, Jürgen agreed to become Technical Advisor for the Los Angeles Galaxy.
In this capacity, Jürgen worked with both the coaching staff and players on technical and tactical considerations as well as the personal development needed to become a world class footballer.
In July 2004, the German Football Federation (DFB) asked Jürgen to become manager of the German national team. Germany had been eliminated in the group stage of the 2004 UEFA European Championships, and the DFB wanted the national team program revitalized in preparation for hosting the 2006 FIFA World Cup.
Jürgen melded young, up and coming players with proven veterans; recalled Germany’s championship teams with an aggressive, attacking style of play; insisted on superior fitness; used experts from related fields (e.g. fitness) to enhance preparation; and embraced the team’s role in German society by making Berlin the team’s World Cup headquarters. Jürgen’s leadership approach and coaching acumen resulted in Germany exceeding predictions for the 2004 -2006 time period:
• 34 matches with 20 wins, 8 draws, 6 losses
• 3rd place 2005 FIFA Confederations Cup
• 3rd place 2006 FIFA World Cup
• German Coach of the Year (2006)
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
I like this thinking.I'm big fan of Klinsmann and really hope this works out.Everyone should now learn the key sequence for a "ü" is <alt>0252
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