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Dempsey had a nice first half for Fulham today. Game is on TV. Fulham is up 1-0 at the half on the road against Odense.

 
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U.S. ROSTER BY POSITION - Detailed Roster

GOALKEEPERS (3): Bill Hamid (D.C.United), Tim Howard (Everton), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)

DEFENDERS (7): Carlos Bocanegra (Rangers), Timmy Chandler (Nürnberg), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Oguchi Onyewu (Sporting Lisbon), Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Tim Ream (New York Red Bulls), Jonathan Spector (Birmingham City)

MIDFIELDERS (7): Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Michael Bradley (Chievo Verona), Clint Dempsey (Fulham), Maurice Edu (Rangers), Jeff Larentowicz (Colorado Rapids), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim)

FORWARDS (5): Juan Agudelo (New York Red Bulls), Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), DaMarcus Beasley (Puebla), Teal Bunbury (Sporting Kansas City), Landon Donovan (LA Galaxy)

 
Good to see Gooch back. I was wrong about him, his movement and mobility looks good

DMB earned the recall with good play in Mexico

Not happy about Fiscal over Gonzalez

Danny Williams? Need to look that one up.

 
you guys need to give me things you want me to look for at the Ecuador game- I tend to obsess on the central MF and runs the forwards make.

 
'scoobygang said:
'El Floppo said:
'NewlyRetired said:
'El Floppo said:
Danny Williams (Hoffenheim) german or us player in germany?
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German, dual citizenship.
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JK, digging deep. This seems to be his initial MO.
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Also helps to sport dreadlocks.
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I think he plays for the same team as Fabian Johnson. He likely took Johnson's spot on the US roster after Johnson got hurt. Are all these guys products of US servicemen banging German chicks?
 
'NewlyRetired said:
'scoobygang said:
'El Floppo said:
'NewlyRetired said:
'El Floppo said:
Danny Williams (Hoffenheim) german or us player in germany?
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German, dual citizenship.
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JK, digging deep. This seems to be his initial MO.
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Also helps to sport dreadlocks.
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I think he plays for the same team as Fabian Johnson. He likely took Johnson's spot on the US roster after Johnson got hurt. Are all these guys products of US servicemen banging German chicks?
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I went with a team that got hosted by Hertha Berlin in the early 80s. They had a few US servicemen kids on the youth squad- but they all seemed pretty "American" to 13yo me.
 
Gooch has been nothing short of fantastic tonight. Man of the match type stuff. Announcer even called it a "Superb" game.

Sporting is down a man so he is involved in a ton of plays and has not put in a noticeable wrong foot all night while dominating anything in the air.

 
Two notes on the roster

One of media members is reporting that Goodson is not on the roster, his name was released by mistake

There is a chance that Williams will not be allowed to play. He has to meet with the US consulate first to obtain passport.

 
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'NewlyRetired said:
U.S. ROSTER BY POSITION - Detailed Roster GOALKEEPERS (3): Bill Hamid (D.C.United), Tim Howard (Everton), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake) DEFENDERS (7): Carlos Bocanegra (Rangers), Timmy Chandler (Nürnberg), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Oguchi Onyewu (Sporting Lisbon), Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Tim Ream (New York Red Bulls), Jonathan Spector (Birmingham City) MIDFIELDERS (7): Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Michael Bradley (Chievo Verona), Clint Dempsey (Fulham), Maurice Edu (Rangers), Jeff Larentowicz (Colorado Rapids), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim) FORWARDS (5): Juan Agudelo (New York Red Bulls), Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), DaMarcus Beasley (Puebla), Teal Bunbury (Sporting Kansas City), Landon Donovan (LA Galaxy)
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My lineup ( almost assuredly not what Klinsmann will do)HowardCher Gooch Boca ChandlerDempsey Bradley Donovan SheaAgudelo JozyDiamond midfield, Bradley as the holding and Donovan in the hole behind the two young strikers.Shea and Dempsey would both be asked to put in a ton of work.If need be, DMB subs in for Shea in second half. If we have lead, Beckerman in for Agudelo.
 
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'El Floppo said:
you guys need to give me things you want me to look for at the Ecuador game- I tend to obsess on the central MF and runs the forwards make.
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Any and all overlapping runs by the RB and LB. If they do overlap, can they get back into position quickly or can the defensive MF cover the space in the back line.Also, look for the amount of pressure put on the opposition in their half vis a vis how much they pit on the US.
 
Fantastic game at PPL tonight! Obviously I'm happy the U picked up three crucial points, but even from a neutral perspective, that was a fun game. Lot of attacking football from both sides.

Michael Farfan was a BEAST. Le Toux was doing Le Toux things, running his ### off, pressuring the ball, and scored two mice goals. Andy Najar scared the hell out of me all night - wish he had his citizenship. And both keepers were impressive despite the unflattering (for them) scoreline. I think Nat fans should get used to hearing the names Hamid and MacMath for years to come.

ETA: I want to add the the atmosphere in the stadium was amazing. Credit to not only the SOBs but also to the travelling support from DC who brought it all night.

 
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'Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
'El Floppo said:
I have a feeling you were sitting closer to Najar than anybody defending him on that 2nd DC goal.
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Yeah that wasn't pretty. I was having 2010 Seitz era flashbacks on that run. :)
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Game was very entertaining. The atmosphere came across nicely on TV. The space available in that game was just sick especially when Phili attacked the right side of the field. The Najar goal was funny. To run 70 yards with the ball that easily was like he was radioactive. Farfans's assist was as nice as his goal. I know Freddy was not quite 100% but he did not look good. He had a chance to rip that game open numerous times but never got it done. Is Mwanga in the dog house?Fun game. That loss by DC was critical to teams like NY and Portland who are trying to sneak in the playoffs.
 
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See two bolded items below

Saturday

EPL on ESPN2: Everton - Liverpool at 7:30am.

EPL on Fox Soccer: Manchester United - Norwich at 9:30am, Wolverhampton - Newcastle United at 12pm, and Aston Villa - Wigan at 5pm.

Fox Soccer Plus has Blackburn - Manchester City at 10am and Sunderland - WBA at 2pm.

Championship on Fox Soccer Plus: Leicester City - Derby County at 4pm and Leeds - Portsmouth at 6pm.

Bundesliga on GolTV: Hoffenheim - Bayern Munich at 9:30am.

ESPN Deportes has Hertha Berlin - Cologne at 12:30pm.

Serie A on Fox Soccer Plus: Roma - Atalanta at 12pm.

On Fox Soccer: Inter Milan - Napoli at 2:30pm.

La Liga on GolTV: Villarreal - Real Zaragoza at 12pm and Valencia - Granada at 2pm.

MLS on Fox Soccer: Toronto - NY at 7:30pm.

On TeleFutura: Houston - Chicago at 4pm.

Primera Division on Telemundo: UNAM Pumas - Club America at 5pm and Chivas - Queretaro at 8pm. Azteca

Fox Deportes have Morelia - U.A.G. at 6pm.

TeleFutura has Santos Laguna - Cruz Azul at 8pm and Atlante - Pachuca at 10pm.

San Luis - Puebla is on Galavision at 9:30pm. All Times Eastern

Sunday

EPL on Fox Soccer Plus: Bolton - Chelsea at 8:30am, Fulham - QPR at 10:30am, and Swansea City - Stoke City at 12:30pm.

Fox Soccer has Spurs - Arsenal at 11am.

Serie A on Fox Soccer Plus: Novara - Catania at 6:30am.

On Fox Soccer: Fiorentina - Lazio at 9am and Juventus - Milan at 2:30pm.

La Liga on ESPN Deportes: Real Betis - Levante at 10am, Atletico Madrid - Sevilla at 12pm, and Espanyol - Real Madrid at 4pm (also on ESPN2).

GolTV has Sporting Gijon - Barcelona at 2pm.

Bundesliga on GolTV: Hamburg - Schalke 04 at 11:30am.

League 1 on Fox Soccer Plus: PSG 0 Lyon at 3pm.

All Times Eastern

Monday

No games today.

 
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On Fox Soccer: Inter Milan - Napoli at 2:30pm.

thats going to be a major tset for my inter- if the can't hang with Napoli, this is going to be another rough year.

 
'El Floppo said:
'NewlyRetired said:
Pretty good article on the challenges facing Bradley in Egypt. Kind of interesting because I have never had a tie to African soccer. This gives me some one to follow during WCQ

http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/columnist/carlisle_jeff/id/7029879/bob-bradley-new-job-egyptian-national-coach-boost-credibility-us-soccer-jeff-carlisle
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I used to follow Cameroon because- and I'm sure I've mentioned this a billion times already- I got a chance to play against them when I was in Germany with the NCal u-19 state team. I got megged about 60 times. Also got to have a drink with Roger Milla (I had no idea who he was) and talk about nuclear proliferation and Ronald Reagan along with my gb (who was also on my club team) who happened to be going to the Naval Academy the next year. We had different takes on the whole thing (I was on Milla's side... and I also spoke a smattering of HS french, so I was doing some translating). I hit the best shot of my life that game- dipping and bending into the upper V- that Thomas N'Kono, who was standing on the PK spot, took one springing step backwards into a massive leap to get to the upper right corner and punch over the top. The game, that shot and save, and the drinks with Milla- massive highlights of my life (Cameroon game, Kid #1 birth, high score on Missile Command, Wedding, other stuff, kid #2 birth)
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 
More than the not closing down for the Union was the fact that there was no one on the left side of the pitch for almost that entire run. It was a good move and finish to beat the lone defender and keeper, not to mention the speed and stamina to get there, but there's really no reason that there shouldn't have been a left sided player there occupying some space to slow the counter attack down.

Obviously the left back made an error in not challenging Najar before he got into the box, but that was pretty poor defense for a counter. Was Philly pressing hard at the time?

 
'The Z Machine said:
More than the not closing down for the Union was the fact that there was no one on the left side of the pitch for almost that entire run. It was a good move and finish to beat the lone defender and keeper, not to mention the speed and stamina to get there, but there's really no reason that there shouldn't have been a left sided player there occupying some space to slow the counter attack down.Obviously the left back made an error in not challenging Najar before he got into the box, but that was pretty poor defense for a counter. Was Philly pressing hard at the time?
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If you look back at the video at roughly the time the keeper catches it, there are about 7 players with in 25 yards of the goal including I think both the left back and the left half, which is why the whole side was open.It was a very nice outlet by Hamid who recognized the space instantly and then Najar really ate up the space quickly, pulling away from defenders who were chasing while he was dribbling.
 
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'Sebowski said:
'El Floppo said:
'NewlyRetired said:
Pretty good article on the challenges facing Bradley in Egypt. Kind of interesting because I have never had a tie to African soccer. This gives me some one to follow during WCQ

http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/columnist/carlisle_jeff/id/7029879/bob-bradley-new-job-egyptian-national-coach-boost-credibility-us-soccer-jeff-carlisle
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I used to follow Cameroon because- and I'm sure I've mentioned this a billion times already- I got a chance to play against them when I was in Germany with the NCal u-19 state team. I got megged about 60 times. Also got to have a drink with Roger Milla (I had no idea who he was) and talk about nuclear proliferation and Ronald Reagan along with my gb (who was also on my club team) who happened to be going to the Naval Academy the next year. We had different takes on the whole thing (I was on Milla's side... and I also spoke a smattering of HS french, so I was doing some translating). I hit the best shot of my life that game- dipping and bending into the upper V- that Thomas N'Kono, who was standing on the PK spot, took one springing step backwards into a massive leap to get to the upper right corner and punch over the top. The game, that shot and save, and the drinks with Milla- massive highlights of my life (Cameroon game, Kid #1 birth, high score on Missile Command, Wedding, other stuff, kid #2 birth)
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Poor kid two

 
A ridiculous straight red to Rodwell. He got to the ball at least a half second before Suarez collapsed. What a crap way for the ref to alter the dynamics of the game only 25 minutes in.

 
'NewlyRetired said:
'NewlyRetired said:
U.S. ROSTER BY POSITION - Detailed Roster GOALKEEPERS (3): Bill Hamid (D.C.United), Tim Howard (Everton), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake) DEFENDERS (7): Carlos Bocanegra (Rangers), Timmy Chandler (Nürnberg), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Oguchi Onyewu (Sporting Lisbon), Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Tim Ream (New York Red Bulls), Jonathan Spector (Birmingham City) MIDFIELDERS (7): Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Michael Bradley (Chievo Verona), Clint Dempsey (Fulham), Maurice Edu (Rangers), Jeff Larentowicz (Colorado Rapids), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim) FORWARDS (5): Juan Agudelo (New York Red Bulls), Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), DaMarcus Beasley (Puebla), Teal Bunbury (Sporting Kansas City), Landon Donovan (LA Galaxy)
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My lineup ( almost assuredly not what Klinsmann will do)HowardCher Gooch Boca ChandlerDempsey Bradley Donovan SheaAgudelo JozyDiamond midfield, Bradley as the holding and Donovan in the hole behind the two young strikers.Shea and Dempsey would both be asked to put in a ton of work.If need be, DMB subs in for Shea in second half. If we have lead, Beckerman in for Agudelo.
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Do we really think Dolo will be where we need him to be in 2014? I wonder if we should be developing our younger talent there keeping the endgame in mind?
 
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'LHUCKS said:
'NewlyRetired said:
'NewlyRetired said:
U.S. ROSTER BY POSITION - Detailed Roster GOALKEEPERS (3): Bill Hamid (D.C.United), Tim Howard (Everton), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake) DEFENDERS (7): Carlos Bocanegra (Rangers), Timmy Chandler (Nürnberg), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Oguchi Onyewu (Sporting Lisbon), Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Tim Ream (New York Red Bulls), Jonathan Spector (Birmingham City) MIDFIELDERS (7): Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Michael Bradley (Chievo Verona), Clint Dempsey (Fulham), Maurice Edu (Rangers), Jeff Larentowicz (Colorado Rapids), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim) FORWARDS (5): Juan Agudelo (New York Red Bulls), Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), DaMarcus Beasley (Puebla), Teal Bunbury (Sporting Kansas City), Landon Donovan (LA Galaxy)
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My lineup ( almost assuredly not what Klinsmann will do)HowardCher Gooch Boca ChandlerDempsey Bradley Donovan SheaAgudelo JozyDiamond midfield, Bradley as the holding and Donovan in the hole behind the two young strikers.Shea and Dempsey would both be asked to put in a ton of work.If need be, DMB subs in for Shea in second half. If we have lead, Beckerman in for Agudelo.
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Do we really think Dolo will be where we need him to be in 2014? I wonder if we should be developing our younger talent there keeping the endgame in mind?
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This is only my opinion but I don't think a player has the ability to develop at the national team level. The national team should represent the best we can offer at any given time. A player needs to develop at club level, and through his play at club level, force his way into the national team lineup. (Brek Shea is a great example of this). If and when we have players at club level who are playing better than Boca and Dolo at their respective positions, then they should be replaced. Looking at the roster, and knowing that Chandler will likely be playing left back, the only other candidate to replace Dolo is Spector.
 
'NewlyRetired said:
'LHUCKS said:
'NewlyRetired said:
'NewlyRetired said:
U.S. ROSTER BY POSITION - Detailed Roster

GOALKEEPERS (3): Bill Hamid (D.C.United), Tim Howard (Everton), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)

DEFENDERS (7): Carlos Bocanegra (Rangers), Timmy Chandler (Nürnberg), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96), Clarence Goodson (Brondby), Oguchi Onyewu (Sporting Lisbon), Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Tim Ream (New York Red Bulls), Jonathan Spector (Birmingham City)

MIDFIELDERS (7): Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Michael Bradley (Chievo Verona), Clint Dempsey (Fulham), Maurice Edu (Rangers), Jeff Larentowicz (Colorado Rapids), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim)

FORWARDS (5): Juan Agudelo (New York Red Bulls), Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), DaMarcus Beasley (Puebla), Teal Bunbury (Sporting Kansas City), Landon Donovan (LA Galaxy)
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My lineup ( almost assuredly not what Klinsmann will do)Howard

Cher Gooch Boca Chandler

Dempsey Bradley Donovan Shea

Agudelo Jozy

Diamond midfield, Bradley as the holding and Donovan in the hole behind the two young strikers.

Shea and Dempsey would both be asked to put in a ton of work.

If need be, DMB subs in for Shea in second half. If we have lead, Beckerman in for Agudelo.
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Do we really think Dolo will be where we need him to be in 2014? I wonder if we should be developing our younger talent there keeping the endgame in mind?
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This is only my opinion but I don't think a player has the ability to develop at the national team level. The national team should represent the best we can offer at any given time. A player needs to develop at club level, and through his play at club level, force his way into the national team lineup. (Brek Shea is a great example of this). If and when we have players at club level who are playing better than Boca and Dolo at their respective positions, then they should be replaced. Looking at the roster, and knowing that Chandler will likely be playing left back, the only other candidate to replace Dolo is Spector.
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agree. and add that the players need to prove it in USMNT camp, too- not just at club.and WCQ is no place for developing anything other than getting the results to qualify- which goeas back to andy's point.

 
Danny Williams is starting today against Bayern Munich and looks pretty good. They are holding a very good side still level 0-0 early in the second half.

Chandler has had a hand in both of of Nurenbergs goals today.

Buddle continues to score, having two more goals and an assist today.

 
This Hoffenheim side is the most un German looking side I have ever seen in terms of appearance. I think there are 8 or 9 black/latin players on the field and this is with Fabian Johnson hurt.

 
'El Floppo said:
'LHUCKS said:
'El Floppo said:
and WCQ is no place for developing anything other than getting the results to qualify- which goeas back to andy's point.
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nobody is saying that, I'm talking about now in friendlies.Dolo is likely going to be subpar by 2014
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Seems like JK has been trotting out new guys for the friendlies... or did I totally miss your point? Are you saying Dolo should be put out to pasture?
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I understand his question, i just don't know how to address it besides what I already posted.He is predicting that in 2014, Dolo, due to age, may not be up to snuff and if so, they should they start replacing him now.

 
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Man, a healthy Gooch would be huge for us.Still no Adu... :kicksrock:
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My main guess as to why there's no Adu is that the Union and Sounders have a league make-up game from the summer that weekend and they're the only MLS teams playing. Of course his form isn't all that great right now so he may not have been selected anyway, but the Union's game is crucial for the playoffs so I could see Novak asking JK to pass on Freddy for next weekend
 
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