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Charlie Steiner
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Wanted to relay an incident that happened at my son's game on Saturday, just to get an idea of how 'normal' a response this was...
As I've mentioned before, my son joined a team that plays in a more competitive league than he has before, though it's by no means the highest level available in the area. Nevertheless, unlike previous years, both teams are filled with kids that want to be there and more or less know what they're doing. Anyway, my son and a kid from the other team are battling for a ball, and the kid receives a yellow card for basically shoving my son off the ball and off his feet. From behind me, I hear the kid's dad yell "good job, son, way to be aggressive!"
Now, I wasn't bothered by the incident as my son wasn't hurt and I was expecting rougher play than in years past, but the father's comment got me a little rankled. I'm pretty sure it would have bothered me equally if had been another kid instead of my son, but what I'm driving at is where cheering for a yellow card falls into the crazy fan spectrum. On the one hand, that seems bad form in principle; positive reinforcement for violating the rules doesn't seem like a good idea. On the other hand, getting excited about spirited play may entail cheering when 'giving it to the other team'. If this were another sport I probably wouldn't have mentioned it all, but as I didn't grow up on soccer I'm still new to the passion that soccer stirs up in its fans and unsure of where passion and crazy meet, so any insight would be appreciated.
As I've mentioned before, my son joined a team that plays in a more competitive league than he has before, though it's by no means the highest level available in the area. Nevertheless, unlike previous years, both teams are filled with kids that want to be there and more or less know what they're doing. Anyway, my son and a kid from the other team are battling for a ball, and the kid receives a yellow card for basically shoving my son off the ball and off his feet. From behind me, I hear the kid's dad yell "good job, son, way to be aggressive!"
Now, I wasn't bothered by the incident as my son wasn't hurt and I was expecting rougher play than in years past, but the father's comment got me a little rankled. I'm pretty sure it would have bothered me equally if had been another kid instead of my son, but what I'm driving at is where cheering for a yellow card falls into the crazy fan spectrum. On the one hand, that seems bad form in principle; positive reinforcement for violating the rules doesn't seem like a good idea. On the other hand, getting excited about spirited play may entail cheering when 'giving it to the other team'. If this were another sport I probably wouldn't have mentioned it all, but as I didn't grow up on soccer I'm still new to the passion that soccer stirs up in its fans and unsure of where passion and crazy meet, so any insight would be appreciated.
NewlyRetired
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Has nothing to do with the sport. You are going to find parents who are over the top in their support no matter what the sport is. From your eyes he was cheering about violating the rules but from his eyes maybe he simply thought the ref blew the call and still wants to encourage the kid to keep playing hard. Best to not worry about this. Seems pretty tame to me. If you see a parent cheering a kid after he breaks another kids leg with a horrendous tackle, that is one thing but if you let something like what you described bother you, you will hate going to games because it will happen a lot.Wanted to relay an incident that happened at my son's game on Saturday, just to get an idea of how 'normal' a response this was...As I've mentioned before, my son joined a team that plays in a more competitive league than he has before, though it's by no means the highest level available in the area. Nevertheless, unlike previous years, both teams are filled with kids that want to be there and more or less know what they're doing. Anyway, my son and a kid from the other team are battling for a ball, and the kid receives a yellow card for basically shoving my son off the ball and off his feet. From behind me, I hear the kid's dad yell "good job, son, way to be aggressive!"Now, I wasn't bothered by the incident as my son wasn't hurt and I was expecting rougher play than in years past, but the father's comment got me a little rankled. I'm pretty sure it would have bothered me equally if had been another kid instead of my son, but what I'm driving at is where cheering for a yellow card falls into the crazy fan spectrum. On the one hand, that seems bad form in principle; positive reinforcement for violating the rules doesn't seem like a good idea. On the other hand, getting excited about spirited play may entail cheering when 'giving it to the other team'. If this were another sport I probably wouldn't have mentioned it all, but as I didn't grow up on soccer I'm still new to the passion that soccer stirs up in its fans and unsure of where passion and crazy meet, so any insight would be appreciated.
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Major
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I played soccer my whole life and occasional coach the yuths. Cosign with the above. Best not to worry about this. Now if the little lad took your son out intentionally, then that's a different story. I used to slide tackle quite often in youth leagues growing up (normally cleanly). It was a great intimidation factor on the pitch. Ain't nothing wrong with that.Has nothing to do with the sport. You are going to find parents who are over the top in their support no matter what the sport is. From your eyes he was cheering about violating the rules but from his eyes maybe he simply thought the ref blew the call and still wants to encourage the kid to keep playing hard.Best to not worry about this. Seems pretty tame to me. If you see a parent cheering a kid after he breaks another kids leg with a horrendous tackle, that is one thing but if you let something like what you described bother you, you will hate going to games because it will happen a lot.Wanted to relay an incident that happened at my son's game on Saturday, just to get an idea of how 'normal' a response this was...As I've mentioned before, my son joined a team that plays in a more competitive league than he has before, though it's by no means the highest level available in the area. Nevertheless, unlike previous years, both teams are filled with kids that want to be there and more or less know what they're doing. Anyway, my son and a kid from the other team are battling for a ball, and the kid receives a yellow card for basically shoving my son off the ball and off his feet. From behind me, I hear the kid's dad yell "good job, son, way to be aggressive!"Now, I wasn't bothered by the incident as my son wasn't hurt and I was expecting rougher play than in years past, but the father's comment got me a little rankled. I'm pretty sure it would have bothered me equally if had been another kid instead of my son, but what I'm driving at is where cheering for a yellow card falls into the crazy fan spectrum. On the one hand, that seems bad form in principle; positive reinforcement for violating the rules doesn't seem like a good idea. On the other hand, getting excited about spirited play may entail cheering when 'giving it to the other team'. If this were another sport I probably wouldn't have mentioned it all, but as I didn't grow up on soccer I'm still new to the passion that soccer stirs up in its fans and unsure of where passion and crazy meet, so any insight would be appreciated.
Agree. Taking a card is part of the game as long as there's no intent to injure. It's like a defensive back grabbing a receiver to create a pass interference call rather than give up an easy TD.I played soccer my whole life and occasional coach the yuths. Cosign with the above. Best not to worry about this. Now if the little lad took your son out intentionally, then that's a different story. I used to slide tackle quite often in youth leagues growing up (normally cleanly). It was a great intimidation factor on the pitch. Ain't nothing wrong with that.Has nothing to do with the sport. You are going to find parents who are over the top in their support no matter what the sport is. From your eyes he was cheering about violating the rules but from his eyes maybe he simply thought the ref blew the call and still wants to encourage the kid to keep playing hard.Best to not worry about this. Seems pretty tame to me. If you see a parent cheering a kid after he breaks another kids leg with a horrendous tackle, that is one thing but if you let something like what you described bother you, you will hate going to games because it will happen a lot.Wanted to relay an incident that happened at my son's game on Saturday, just to get an idea of how 'normal' a response this was...As I've mentioned before, my son joined a team that plays in a more competitive league than he has before, though it's by no means the highest level available in the area. Nevertheless, unlike previous years, both teams are filled with kids that want to be there and more or less know what they're doing. Anyway, my son and a kid from the other team are battling for a ball, and the kid receives a yellow card for basically shoving my son off the ball and off his feet. From behind me, I hear the kid's dad yell "good job, son, way to be aggressive!"Now, I wasn't bothered by the incident as my son wasn't hurt and I was expecting rougher play than in years past, but the father's comment got me a little rankled. I'm pretty sure it would have bothered me equally if had been another kid instead of my son, but what I'm driving at is where cheering for a yellow card falls into the crazy fan spectrum. On the one hand, that seems bad form in principle; positive reinforcement for violating the rules doesn't seem like a good idea. On the other hand, getting excited about spirited play may entail cheering when 'giving it to the other team'. If this were another sport I probably wouldn't have mentioned it all, but as I didn't grow up on soccer I'm still new to the passion that soccer stirs up in its fans and unsure of where passion and crazy meet, so any insight would be appreciated.
AcerFC
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Agree. Taking a card is part of the game as long as there's no intent to injure. It's like a defensive back grabbing a receiver to create a pass interference call rather than give up an easy TD.I played soccer my whole life and occasional coach the yuths. Cosign with the above. Best not to worry about this. Now if the little lad took your son out intentionally, then that's a different story. I used to slide tackle quite often in youth leagues growing up (normally cleanly). It was a great intimidation factor on the pitch. Ain't nothing wrong with that.Has nothing to do with the sport. You are going to find parents who are over the top in their support no matter what the sport is. From your eyes he was cheering about violating the rules but from his eyes maybe he simply thought the ref blew the call and still wants to encourage the kid to keep playing hard.Best to not worry about this. Seems pretty tame to me. If you see a parent cheering a kid after he breaks another kids leg with a horrendous tackle, that is one thing but if you let something like what you described bother you, you will hate going to games because it will happen a lot.Wanted to relay an incident that happened at my son's game on Saturday, just to get an idea of how 'normal' a response this was...As I've mentioned before, my son joined a team that plays in a more competitive league than he has before, though it's by no means the highest level available in the area. Nevertheless, unlike previous years, both teams are filled with kids that want to be there and more or less know what they're doing. Anyway, my son and a kid from the other team are battling for a ball, and the kid receives a yellow card for basically shoving my son off the ball and off his feet. From behind me, I hear the kid's dad yell "good job, son, way to be aggressive!"Now, I wasn't bothered by the incident as my son wasn't hurt and I was expecting rougher play than in years past, but the father's comment got me a little rankled. I'm pretty sure it would have bothered me equally if had been another kid instead of my son, but what I'm driving at is where cheering for a yellow card falls into the crazy fan spectrum. On the one hand, that seems bad form in principle; positive reinforcement for violating the rules doesn't seem like a good idea. On the other hand, getting excited about spirited play may entail cheering when 'giving it to the other team'. If this were another sport I probably wouldn't have mentioned it all, but as I didn't grow up on soccer I'm still new to the passion that soccer stirs up in its fans and unsure of where passion and crazy meet, so any insight would be appreciated.
to all. The refs dont always make the right calls either.
NewlyRetired
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You might have to take a cut in pay though to manage Wimbledon.
Shark move here is for your son to slide tackle him next time he has the ball.Wanted to relay an incident that happened at my son's game on Saturday, just to get an idea of how 'normal' a response this was...As I've mentioned before, my son joined a team that plays in a more competitive league than he has before, though it's by no means the highest level available in the area. Nevertheless, unlike previous years, both teams are filled with kids that want to be there and more or less know what they're doing. Anyway, my son and a kid from the other team are battling for a ball, and the kid receives a yellow card for basically shoving my son off the ball and off his feet. From behind me, I hear the kid's dad yell "good job, son, way to be aggressive!"Now, I wasn't bothered by the incident as my son wasn't hurt and I was expecting rougher play than in years past, but the father's comment got me a little rankled. I'm pretty sure it would have bothered me equally if had been another kid instead of my son, but what I'm driving at is where cheering for a yellow card falls into the crazy fan spectrum. On the one hand, that seems bad form in principle; positive reinforcement for violating the rules doesn't seem like a good idea. On the other hand, getting excited about spirited play may entail cheering when 'giving it to the other team'. If this were another sport I probably wouldn't have mentioned it all, but as I didn't grow up on soccer I'm still new to the passion that soccer stirs up in its fans and unsure of where passion and crazy meet, so any insight would be appreciated.
Charlie Steiner
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Thanks guys, this is the type of responses I was looking for. We've been around competitive sports for almost 10 years, but this is the highest level of soccer he's played at, and I know the higher up you go, the less it has in common with the levels below. It wasn't a slide tackle, just overzealous jostling for the ball. The were other instances where the opposing player tried to use a forearm shiver but wound up wiffing and the subsequent lunge and elbow into open space gave them away. Again, I knew this kind of play was coming and just wanted to get a guage on how to put it into perspective. NR's comment in bold above really hit the mark for me, and the rest of your comments really support that. Thanks again.
Definitely. If it's a league or tournament where cards don't accumulate always give as good as you get. If I didn't get a card in a game I felt I was not doing all I could to win.Shark move here is for your son to slide tackle him next time he has the ball.Wanted to relay an incident that happened at my son's game on Saturday, just to get an idea of how 'normal' a response this was...As I've mentioned before, my son joined a team that plays in a more competitive league than he has before, though it's by no means the highest level available in the area. Nevertheless, unlike previous years, both teams are filled with kids that want to be there and more or less know what they're doing. Anyway, my son and a kid from the other team are battling for a ball, and the kid receives a yellow card for basically shoving my son off the ball and off his feet. From behind me, I hear the kid's dad yell "good job, son, way to be aggressive!"Now, I wasn't bothered by the incident as my son wasn't hurt and I was expecting rougher play than in years past, but the father's comment got me a little rankled. I'm pretty sure it would have bothered me equally if had been another kid instead of my son, but what I'm driving at is where cheering for a yellow card falls into the crazy fan spectrum. On the one hand, that seems bad form in principle; positive reinforcement for violating the rules doesn't seem like a good idea. On the other hand, getting excited about spirited play may entail cheering when 'giving it to the other team'. If this were another sport I probably wouldn't have mentioned it all, but as I didn't grow up on soccer I'm still new to the passion that soccer stirs up in its fans and unsure of where passion and crazy meet, so any insight would be appreciated.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Did anyone catch the post-game after Chelski, where they isolated Mikel standing around right before the equalizer was scored? Good God.
Horrible. That's worth a benching.
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
Never saw it that way before. Very interesting.
Moe.
Footballguy
Yeah that was bad. Give the ball away in your half, then just stand there and do nothing. Mikel did not have a very good game. Neville harped on it quite a bit during the match but it was like Marchisio was invisible to anyone wearing blue. They didn't really mark him at all.
I wouldn't foul for the sake of fouling. Many games it wasn't necessary. But sometimes the better result was stopping play with a "professional" foul rather than letting the play continue. Then again, sometimes some SOB on the other team just needed a good kicking.Never saw it that way before. Very interesting.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Mine was off by maybe a 1/10th or a 1/4th of a second. Just enough that you could notice it and knew what was going to happen at the same time you were seeing it. Yes, was annoying!
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Not exactly a defensive struggle in Switzerland
3-3 now
3-3 now
El Floppo
Footballguy
Agree with all the comments.Also- unless this guy was cheering the push when it happened, it's probably just a dad trying to spin a positive for his kid after something "bad" (getting a yellow card) happened- like, "that's alright (in spite of the yellow card)- way to be aggressive".
And- at the younger, not elite levels, kids are still learning the rules. How to use your body/shoulder vs pushing off with your hands was something I remember kids taking a while to learn.
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jonessed
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I think it's much more acceptable for YB. They aren't a bad team, but they are certainly not in Liverpool's class. Liverpool, on the other hand, have a decent defense in there. They have no excuses.These 2 teams suck at defending.
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Major
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Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
I lost a couple bets I made on Young Boys today.
GoFishTN
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AVB taking this much more seriously than Redknapp did, as expected. I hope it doesn't hurt them in the league.
Major
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Jerry, is that you?I lost a couple bets I made on Young Boys today.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
It was karma for you dumping all over Liverpool's side filled with 17 year olds and a backup goalie.'Christo said:
They don't play for Liverpool?
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
The dad didn't cheer extra at the play, other than he was excited that his kid had possession of the ball, so I'm sure it was more a case of the 'parent goggles' speaking. The thing to me is that these kids are 13-14 years old, so it may be more about how far they can push the rules as opposed to learning them. Again, we expected this going into this season, I guess expecting it <> being prepared for it.And Christo: I wasn't trying to imply that you were a dirty player, I was just responding to your comment about 'doing everything you could'. Somehow I knew what you meant, as demonstrated by your later comparison to defensive backs in football.Anyway, thanks for the replies and carry on...'El Floppo said:
GoFishTN
Footballguy
Just reading the gamecast on ESPN, but it appears Spurs are being jobbed by the refs.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
Sorry. The written word doesn't always convey sarcasm well.
bentley
Footballguy
But seriously, what the hell has happened to Enrique?
It was a serious question.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
Seriously. I didn't see the second two goals, but that error to cause the first was horrible. That's the position that I play in my local league, and I'd quit playing if I ever did that. Horrible.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
:whoosh:
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
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Footballguy
Why doesn't Moo just give his kid's soccer team 15000 Euros himself, and donate any money to an actual charity? What soccer team needs that much money anyway?And doesn't Marca usually carry a lot of water for Real?
Sebowski
Footballguy
If he keeps at it long enough. Right now he is no better than Jozy - helping his club team, while leaving his national team high and dry.Messi might turn out to be a decent player some day.
waiver wire
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been following this thread for a long time and learned a lot
i havent posted as i feel so i know so little compared to all of you
i figured this woul dbe the best spot to get my question answered:
as i life long arsenal fan , my dream has been to see them play at home so would like to get over there in april/may of 2013
but how do i get tickets ?
i havent posted as i feel so i know so little compared to all of you
i figured this woul dbe the best spot to get my question answered:
as i life long arsenal fan , my dream has been to see them play at home so would like to get over there in april/may of 2013
but how do i get tickets ?
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