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Christo - I'll be rooting for QPR this morning. Hoping this game is entertaining.
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But I'll take the ugliest win in history.
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boubucarow
Footballguy
Add in Borussia Dortmund for me. Though I wish they would learn what cleats to wear on their home pitch.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I guess Park is still injured - damn, was hoping to see him play.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Two more MLS Playoff games today
Houston hosts KC at 3:30 on NBC
LA hosts SJ at 9:00 on ESPN
Houston hosts KC at 3:30 on NBC
LA hosts SJ at 9:00 on ESPN
jonessed
Footballguy
The fact that Hughes still has a job is a small miracle. He has spent a fortune and delivered nothing in return.
Eephus
Footballguy
Loftus Road would be one of the smallest grounds in the Championship. They really can't increase capacity of the current stadium.
El Floppo
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wow- I figured them to be a sleeper team this year with what I thought were a bunch of nice player acquisitions.
What's killing me is I can see the individual talent. But they just don't work together well in the attack or work hard or as a unit when they're defending. I don't know that a game this early in the season is truly a must win but it is as close to a must win as you can get. And what happened? They half-assed it on both sides of the ball the first 15 minutes of the game, fell behind and chased a point the last 75 minutes.
El Floppo
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Not the same, but it's similar to the MetroReds, who are doing so little with so much in terms of talent. I watched that playoff game vs United last night and their shape was miserable across the entire field. Huge gaps, no support, terrible spacing and no width. Even up a man, they had to resort to just knocking the ball long into the box because DC outworked them all over the field and wouldn't let them put more than 3 useful passes together. It was so amateurish, it made me cringe and yell at the TV by the end. Backe has to go.What's killing me is I can see the individual talent. But they just don't work together well in the attack or work hard or as a unit when they're defending. I don't know that a game this early in the season is truly a must win but it is as close to a must win as you can get. And what happened? They half-assed it on both sides of the ball the first 15 minutes of the game, fell behind and chased a point the last 75 minutes.
I was doing the same thing this morning. And I normally only do that for OU football games.Not the same, but it's similar to the MetroReds, who are doing so little with so much in terms of talent. I watched that playoff game vs United last night and their shape was miserable across the entire field. Huge gaps, no support, terrible spacing and no width. Even up a man, they had to resort to just knocking the ball long into the box because DC outworked them all over the field and wouldn't let them put more than 3 useful passes together. It was so amateurish, it made me cringe and yell at the TV by the end. Backe has to go.What's killing me is I can see the individual talent. But they just don't work together well in the attack or work hard or as a unit when they're defending. I don't know that a game this early in the season is truly a must win but it is as close to a must win as you can get. And what happened? They half-assed it on both sides of the ball the first 15 minutes of the game, fell behind and chased a point the last 75 minutes.
El Floppo
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My wife loves it when I yell/whine at the Tv during soccer games. lol- god... it's so embarrassing. and for the RBNY yet.So- Suarez with another nice goal today. Off the top of my head, the EPL player of the last several games- he's just got every part of his game clicking right now.I was doing the same thing this morning. And I normally only do that for OU football games.Not the same, but it's similar to the MetroReds, who are doing so little with so much in terms of talent. I watched that playoff game vs United last night and their shape was miserable across the entire field. Huge gaps, no support, terrible spacing and no width. Even up a man, they had to resort to just knocking the ball long into the box because DC outworked them all over the field and wouldn't let them put more than 3 useful passes together. It was so amateurish, it made me cringe and yell at the TV by the end. Backe has to go.What's killing me is I can see the individual talent. But they just don't work together well in the attack or work hard or as a unit when they're defending. I don't know that a game this early in the season is truly a must win but it is as close to a must win as you can get. And what happened? They half-assed it on both sides of the ball the first 15 minutes of the game, fell behind and chased a point the last 75 minutes.
Yet Liverpool can't turn it into wins.My wife loves it when I yell/whine at the Tv during soccer games. lol- god... it's so embarrassing. and for the RBNY yet.So- Suarez with another nice goal today. Off the top of my head, the EPL player of the last several games- he's just got every part of his game clicking right now.I was doing the same thing this morning. And I normally only do that for OU football games.Not the same, but it's similar to the MetroReds, who are doing so little with so much in terms of talent. I watched that playoff game vs United last night and their shape was miserable across the entire field. Huge gaps, no support, terrible spacing and no width. Even up a man, they had to resort to just knocking the ball long into the box because DC outworked them all over the field and wouldn't let them put more than 3 useful passes together. It was so amateurish, it made me cringe and yell at the TV by the end. Backe has to go.What's killing me is I can see the individual talent. But they just don't work together well in the attack or work hard or as a unit when they're defending. I don't know that a game this early in the season is truly a must win but it is as close to a must win as you can get. And what happened? They half-assed it on both sides of the ball the first 15 minutes of the game, fell behind and chased a point the last 75 minutes.
Mjolnirs
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Bayern with a 3-0 win at Hamburg on Saturday. Goals from Schweinsteiger, Müller and Kroos and an eighth clean sheet for Neuer.
Top of Die Bundesliga table
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FC Bayern 9-0-1 30:4 27Schalke 6-2-2 20:11 20Frankfurt 6-2-2 21:14 20Leverkusen 5-3-2 18:14 18Dortmund 4-4-2 20:11 16
The Z Machine
Footballguy
You never put me down for Venezeula. Also, you can add Botafogo to Brazil for me.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
My Atleti lost of the first time yesterday against Valencia. I didn't get a chance to catch the game, but I know from reading Simeone is not pleased. Anyone watch it?
NewlyRetired
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Another nice win for Houston today making fairly easy work of the home leg against KC winning 2-0.
I am not looking forward to watching the US have to deal with Oscar Boniek Garcia's movement for Honduras. The guy is going to be a handful.
On a side note, it is awful cool to see a Honduran player who was named after a great Polish player
I am not looking forward to watching the US have to deal with Oscar Boniek Garcia's movement for Honduras. The guy is going to be a handful.
On a side note, it is awful cool to see a Honduran player who was named after a great Polish player
jonessed
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RVP'El Floppo said:My wife loves it when I yell/whine at the Tv during soccer games. lol- god... it's so embarrassing. and for the RBNY yet.So- Suarez with another nice goal today. Off the top of my head, the EPL player of the last several games- he's just got every part of his game clicking right now.'Christo said:I was doing the same thing this morning. And I normally only do that for OU football games.'El Floppo said:Not the same, but it's similar to the MetroReds, who are doing so little with so much in terms of talent. I watched that playoff game vs United last night and their shape was miserable across the entire field. Huge gaps, no support, terrible spacing and no width. Even up a man, they had to resort to just knocking the ball long into the box because DC outworked them all over the field and wouldn't let them put more than 3 useful passes together. It was so amateurish, it made me cringe and yell at the TV by the end. Backe has to go.'Christo said:What's killing me is I can see the individual talent. But they just don't work together well in the attack or work hard or as a unit when they're defending. I don't know that a game this early in the season is truly a must win but it is as close to a must win as you can get. And what happened? They half-assed it on both sides of the ball the first 15 minutes of the game, fell behind and chased a point the last 75 minutes.'El Floppo said:
El Floppo
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Yeah- good call. But I think RVP goes through longer stretches (not long, but longer than Suarez) where he's not clicking with his teammates or getting involved. When he does, lethal. IMO, Suarez is just a busier player who imposes himself on the game more frequently than RVP. I wonder if he continued his non-diving today?RVP'El Floppo said:My wife loves it when I yell/whine at the Tv during soccer games. lol- god... it's so embarrassing. and for the RBNY yet.So- Suarez with another nice goal today. Off the top of my head, the EPL player of the last several games- he's just got every part of his game clicking right now.'Christo said:I was doing the same thing this morning. And I normally only do that for OU football games.'El Floppo said:Not the same, but it's similar to the MetroReds, who are doing so little with so much in terms of talent. I watched that playoff game vs United last night and their shape was miserable across the entire field. Huge gaps, no support, terrible spacing and no width. Even up a man, they had to resort to just knocking the ball long into the box because DC outworked them all over the field and wouldn't let them put more than 3 useful passes together. It was so amateurish, it made me cringe and yell at the TV by the end. Backe has to go.'Christo said:What's killing me is I can see the individual talent. But they just don't work together well in the attack or work hard or as a unit when they're defending. I don't know that a game this early in the season is truly a must win but it is as close to a must win as you can get. And what happened? They half-assed it on both sides of the ball the first 15 minutes of the game, fell behind and chased a point the last 75 minutes.'El Floppo said:
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I was thinking last night how much the NY organization likes US players
Sold Tim Howard
Sold Michael Bradley
Sold Jozy Altidore
Sold Tim Ream
Traded Juan Agudelo
And then last night in the playoffs benched Kenny Cooper the leagues second highest scorer for no apparent reason for a guy who has struggled since he came to NY.
Sold Tim Howard
Sold Michael Bradley
Sold Jozy Altidore
Sold Tim Ream
Traded Juan Agudelo
And then last night in the playoffs benched Kenny Cooper the leagues second highest scorer for no apparent reason for a guy who has struggled since he came to NY.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
SJ vs LA starting on ESPN now.
stuff....
re: epl player of the past few weeks - for my money, I'd go with Mata. He is the engine that makes Chelsea run. You can see how they sputter a bit without him, and when he's in there, he really does it all. I read a few people mentioning Hazard's passing ability....I think at this point Mata is a much better passer than Hazard. That being said, when Hazard, Mata and Oscar are all on the field at the same time, well, good luck defending them. I really detest Suarez, but his skill cannot be overlooked, he's been pretty great. I don't think any individual player puts as much pressure on the opposing defense in the epl right now - he is similar to Drogba of a few years back. I really, really wish he wouldnt go to ground like such a #####, and I mean, he plays with a bunch of guys I highly respect - I wish one of them would just tell him to stop being a little #####. RvP has been pretty good too, I'd rate him on par with Suarez.
The Inter/Juve match was a cracker and really lived up to it's billing. Again though, questionable refereeing really was the story early. Juve goal was offside, and Inter was given a highly questionable pk (in my eyes, no way was that a pk), but Milito is still a wily player, and this was just a really good game to watch. Juve should have scored 2-3 in the first 50 minutes or so, they didn't, and Inter deserved to win, and they did. Fair enough.
It's funny because for years the rub on serie a was too much diving, too little goal scoring, too much defensive goal scoring. I think that has been totally false the past few years. This year - look at the lineups, just about every team plays at least 2 forwards, and the 3-5-2 is the en voge style right now. Serie A plays a very attacking style of soccer, and I think is very fun to watch. And if you like goals, well, any Roma game will be certain to see many.
Another quirk if you like goals....the norm for the over/under in soccer wagering for total goals is 2.5 (Well, except for Holland). For years, it's definitely slanted towards the under. Well, this year in the EPL, through 10 games, two teams are 9-1 for the OVER (ManUnited and Fulham), one team is 8-2 (Southampton), one team 7-3 (Everton). And only Sundarland, Norwich, and Aston Villa are under .500...wait, and Arsenal at 4-6. Lots of goals in England.
Bayern is running away with Bundesliga....Dortmund is kind of a mess right now.
PSG suffered a pretty massive home loss this weekend, including our man Zibra getting red carded - however, PSG has a CL match midweek which they should probably win by 3 or 4 goals.
Houston (yes, talking MLS now....) just had a great home win 2-0 vs KC. They really dominated the match, and are in great position to advance, even going to KC for the second leg of the draw. I don't follow MLS all that much, but playoffs are fun, and I'll watch a match here or there. Also watched the Red Bulls/DC United match the other night. How the hell does NY afford the likes of Coooper, Henry, Cahill and Le Toux?? That's pretty sick, considering Houston is throwing Bruin and Carr out there.
Anyway, the past few weeks of work have been fairly brutal for me, so I haven't had a chance to watch nearly enough soccer. Hopefully I can get back into the swing of things for CL midweek and this weekend.
re: epl player of the past few weeks - for my money, I'd go with Mata. He is the engine that makes Chelsea run. You can see how they sputter a bit without him, and when he's in there, he really does it all. I read a few people mentioning Hazard's passing ability....I think at this point Mata is a much better passer than Hazard. That being said, when Hazard, Mata and Oscar are all on the field at the same time, well, good luck defending them. I really detest Suarez, but his skill cannot be overlooked, he's been pretty great. I don't think any individual player puts as much pressure on the opposing defense in the epl right now - he is similar to Drogba of a few years back. I really, really wish he wouldnt go to ground like such a #####, and I mean, he plays with a bunch of guys I highly respect - I wish one of them would just tell him to stop being a little #####. RvP has been pretty good too, I'd rate him on par with Suarez.
The Inter/Juve match was a cracker and really lived up to it's billing. Again though, questionable refereeing really was the story early. Juve goal was offside, and Inter was given a highly questionable pk (in my eyes, no way was that a pk), but Milito is still a wily player, and this was just a really good game to watch. Juve should have scored 2-3 in the first 50 minutes or so, they didn't, and Inter deserved to win, and they did. Fair enough.
It's funny because for years the rub on serie a was too much diving, too little goal scoring, too much defensive goal scoring. I think that has been totally false the past few years. This year - look at the lineups, just about every team plays at least 2 forwards, and the 3-5-2 is the en voge style right now. Serie A plays a very attacking style of soccer, and I think is very fun to watch. And if you like goals, well, any Roma game will be certain to see many.
Another quirk if you like goals....the norm for the over/under in soccer wagering for total goals is 2.5 (Well, except for Holland). For years, it's definitely slanted towards the under. Well, this year in the EPL, through 10 games, two teams are 9-1 for the OVER (ManUnited and Fulham), one team is 8-2 (Southampton), one team 7-3 (Everton). And only Sundarland, Norwich, and Aston Villa are under .500...wait, and Arsenal at 4-6. Lots of goals in England.
Bayern is running away with Bundesliga....Dortmund is kind of a mess right now.
PSG suffered a pretty massive home loss this weekend, including our man Zibra getting red carded - however, PSG has a CL match midweek which they should probably win by 3 or 4 goals.
Houston (yes, talking MLS now....) just had a great home win 2-0 vs KC. They really dominated the match, and are in great position to advance, even going to KC for the second leg of the draw. I don't follow MLS all that much, but playoffs are fun, and I'll watch a match here or there. Also watched the Red Bulls/DC United match the other night. How the hell does NY afford the likes of Coooper, Henry, Cahill and Le Toux?? That's pretty sick, considering Houston is throwing Bruin and Carr out there.
Anyway, the past few weeks of work have been fairly brutal for me, so I haven't had a chance to watch nearly enough soccer. Hopefully I can get back into the swing of things for CL midweek and this weekend.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Don't forget Marquez too for NY, he is the second highest paid player in the league behind his team mate Henry. As of May (before Cahill joined NY), these were the two respective teams salariesNY $12.96 millionHou $3.00 millionAs of May, NY was the highest in the league and Houston was the lowest.
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Tremendous Upside
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$$ and professionalism
Premier
Footballguy
Yea but I wonder if he actually gets up for a game like this.
bentley
Footballguy
I'm sure hes fired up since, despite all his success in Europe, he never got to play in the playoffs until he made it to the US.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
How can one team continue to score so many important stoppage time goals? SJ did it again tonight scoring in the 95th minute to pull out an under served 1-0 away win. Poor goal keeping on LA's part.
And the entire MLS front office groans in the prospect of having MLS Cup in the tiny stadium SJ is stuck in awaiting their new stadium to be built.
And the entire MLS front office groans in the prospect of having MLS Cup in the tiny stadium SJ is stuck in awaiting their new stadium to be built.
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Texas Football
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So Suarez not only did not dive this week, but was the victim of an attempted leg breaker. Coloccini was shown straight red and luckily missed with his attack.
Who is the bigger ##### in these cases?
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I completely agree Suarez is no saint and frustrates me sometimes the way he goes down. But he gets kicked, tripped and checked a lot.
Bale is the worst diver in the game and an uber #####, but yet Suarez is more hated.
I will give the last two refs of Liverpool games some props. Neville was carded for a dive and Coloccini was straight red given.
Lets see how the ref acts in the Chelsea game. I almost want Webb because he will be conflicted on who to screw over more. Guaranteed 3 red cards.
And yes, I think Suarez was in line for a red on his tackle on Distin last week, but it wasn't given so on we go.
Who is the bigger ##### in these cases?
http://cadfael.tv/image/src/1352051200860.gif
I completely agree Suarez is no saint and frustrates me sometimes the way he goes down. But he gets kicked, tripped and checked a lot.
Bale is the worst diver in the game and an uber #####, but yet Suarez is more hated.
I will give the last two refs of Liverpool games some props. Neville was carded for a dive and Coloccini was straight red given.
Lets see how the ref acts in the Chelsea game. I almost want Webb because he will be conflicted on who to screw over more. Guaranteed 3 red cards.
And yes, I think Suarez was in line for a red on his tackle on Distin last week, but it wasn't given so on we go.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I thought you were a SJ fan? Wasn't this a good result especially on road?
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Good Posting Judge
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It was a great result, but I wouldn't call it "undeserved." (?) Under served?I thought you were a SJ fan? Wasn't this a good result especially on road?
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Oh sorry, iOS spell fixing things again. Yes, I meant undeserved. IMO it was most certainly undeserved as LA controlled the entire game. A draw would have been slightly flattering to SJ, but to get out with a win is a bit like robbery. But good for them, LA did not finish god knows how many forays into the box tonight and they got punished for it. Should be a fun return leg.It was a great result, but I wouldn't call it "undeserved." (?) Under served?I thought you were a SJ fan? Wasn't this a good result especially on road?
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Good Posting Judge
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Finishing's a big part of the game. So is holding a wall properly.Oh sorry, iOS spell fixing things again. Yes, I meant undeserved. IMO it was most certainly undeserved as LA controlled the entire game. A draw would have been slightly flattering to SJ, but to get out with a win is a bit like robbery. But good for them, LA did not finish god knows how many forays into the box tonight and they got punished for it. Should be a fun return leg.It was a great result, but I wouldn't call it "undeserved." (?) Under served?I thought you were a SJ fan? Wasn't this a good result especially on road?
El Floppo
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I am
by your At least that game (caveat- I only saw the second half) had some quality to it. Both sides put together more useful pass with guys constantly around the ball and play. SJ was pretty overwhelmed until they got Gordon and Dawkins in as subs around the 65-70 minute, and then starting to shift momentum with Dawkins pulling the strings with soem great short control on the ball and Gordon applying pressure up top. Things shifted back later in the half when Gordon seemed to take a knock and couldn't chase as effectively. But LA's movement and shape were fantastic for the whole half- they had some great passing sequences, particularly through the middle and right (beckham), that just missed with the final ball.But that SJ goal... GK made a mess of it. SJ did enough, IMO, to warrant stealing something there- but LA were the far better team.
This was like watching a lower tier EPL game with some moments of brilliance and generally entertaining. THat NY game was like watching an early FA Cup game played on a cow pasture with the main difference being that the semi-pro guys on the cow pasture are at least psyched to be there and ready to kill themselves regardless of their lack of skill.
Ignoramus
Footballguy
Very solid reasoning but I'm guessing he was pointing out that undeserved != under served.I am
But that SJ goal... GK made a mess of it. SJ did enough, IMO, to warrant stealing something there- but LA were the far better team.
This was like watching a lower tier EPL game with some moments of brilliance and generally entertaining. THat NY game was like watching an early FA Cup game played on a cow pasture with the main difference being that the semi-pro guys on the cow pasture are at least psyched to be there and ready to kill themselves regardless of their lack of skill.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Busy week this week
UCL back in full force
4 more MLS playoff games (3 of them on Wednesday) to decide the conference final matchups
FIFA will conduct the draw for the hex scheduling for Concacaf qualifying (also on Wednesday, at 8:00pm in Miami).
UCL back in full force
4 more MLS playoff games (3 of them on Wednesday) to decide the conference final matchups
FIFA will conduct the draw for the hex scheduling for Concacaf qualifying (also on Wednesday, at 8:00pm in Miami).
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I believe Gordon was hurt from the minute he stepped on the field. He was questionable to play with an ankle injury and he clearly did not have his full mobility even though he gritted it out.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
In the "good lord I can't stop aging" category, Ian Harkes, John Harkes son, has committed to Wake Forrest for next year according to Goff.
Harkes was the player of the year in the DC area last year as a junior and Wake is always one of the top programs that has produced a bunch of pro players the last 10 years.
Harkes was the player of the year in the DC area last year as a junior and Wake is always one of the top programs that has produced a bunch of pro players the last 10 years.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Ah. It did look like it took a turn for the worse at some point though where you could see he just couldnt move.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Mexico at home in February. :fingerscrossed:
El Floppo
Footballguy
Whoa.This is exaclty the culture/legacy I've been talking about, albeit an extreme level.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Outside of that, I am unsure what I want for a schedule.I know people really like to get off to good starts but there is something about getting the Mexico away game out of the way early that appeals to me as well as watching them freeze their nuts off up north some where.I feel that there is going to be a lot of teams getting points off of each other this round and it would not surprise me if this goes down to the last day with multiple scenarios for every team except for Mexico.Panama would do everyone a favor if they prove to be out of their depth.
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