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He wouldn't be the starting striker on any of those teams.
That's just not true
Please. You have him listed as replacing the likes of Soldado, Huntelaar, Rondon, etc. That's absurd.
Rondon isn't even with Malaga anymore(assuming we mean the same guy :unsure: ) and Walcott has a better goal/game ratio than the other two.
Rondon did leave. I don't know who is starting there now. Both Huntelaar and Soldado are proven world class strikers. He would never replace either one.
 
Who was the last big name player to have his contract run out?
Two questions:A. Are you implying Walcott will walk away free?
Not saying he will, but it's possible
2. Are you calling Walcott a "big name player"?
I believe he is and should have been playing central a lot sooner than what Wenger has doing to him. When he was bought from Southampton he was a CF there. Not like it's a huge deal to move him central
Re: #2 How many Big 4 level Champions League teams give Walcott 90 mins a game most of the time? Especially as striker.
United - noArsenal - yesBarcelona - noReal Madrid - noValencia - yesByern - noDortmund - noShalke - yesJuve -yesMalaga - yesMilan - yes6/11 maybe?PS> the O/U for Sturridge goals has been set at 9 :popcorn:
Looks like I lost my more elaborate post.... Let's go with this:Talk to me when he walks. Agree to disagree :lmao: I saw the 9. I don't like the calendar year angle. Le's find something that finishes the season. I'm sure I'd be willing to take you for more when the next season starts. If/When he signs let's get a number for the rest of the season. Then let's bet the beer. 22ozs for every goal over or under whatever is agreed upon.
 
Marca reports that Madrid's in initial talks with Bale. Are Bale and Ronaldo redundant playing on the left? Does this mean it's likely that Ronaldo's headed elsewhere?
http://nesn.com/2012/12/report-cristiano-ronaldo-rejects-contract-offer-from-real-madrid-fuels-transfer-speculation/“According to AS Los Blancos have prepared an extension they hoped the player would sign this summer, which would run until 2018 and see his annual wage increased from €10 million ($13.2 million) to €15 million ($19.8 million),” the report says. “However the 27-year-old reportedly prefers to see out his current deal — which expires in 2015 –- then leave, with the likes of Paris Saint-Germain [PSG] and old employers Manchester United waiting to pounce.” Ronaldo has reportedly grown disillusioned with life at Real Madrid. He feels the club hasn’t shown him enough public support, which has had a negative impact on his image. Early this month, Spanish media reported that he is demanding a transfer at the end of the 2012-13 season.
 
Marca reports that Madrid's in initial talks with Bale. Are Bale and Ronaldo redundant playing on the left? Does this mean it's likely that Ronaldo's headed elsewhere?
They're very different players and there's a few ways they could co-exist. Bale could play as an ultra-offensive wingback, overlapping when Ronaldo cuts inside. Or Ronaldo could play somewhere else up front and Bale could play left wing. Or RM could just spend a ton on a player they don't need because that's what they do.All that said, I think it's most likely just a crazy rumor.
 
I think Bale is as good as gone. He's simply worth too much for Spurs to keep him. The transfer fee they will get for him will allow them to sign at least 3-4 quality players in return.

Also think he goes to RM. This domestic season has been a disaster so far, and that's a club that likes to make big moves. The notion that he and CRonaldo wouldn't be able to play together is pretty laughable, that's a duo that you make work. Bale's pretty versatile player. Also it wouldn't shock me to see Ronaldo moved, but it would surprise me. Beside the fact only a handful of teams could really afford him, RM would really be hard pressed to look at themselves in the mirror moving one of the best players in the world, still in his prime. ManUnited was under significant debt pressures to make a move, and they received a kings ransom in return, so no one can really blame them there.

And the notion that Walcott would start and play 90 for some of those teams is just crazy. He's too small a player, and by small I mean he sucks. Sure, coming off a fantastic performance I'm sure a few will say I'm fishing, but I've been saying he sucks forever now, and stand by it still. He came up HUGE in a game in which they scored 7 against a beat up and #### opponent. Whoooopdeeedoooo. Lets see him come up big once in a big game for club or country. I can see Gunner fans wanting to keep him, that's fine and good. But you seriously think a team he could start on Juve, or Shalke, or a healthy AC Milan? or even Valencia? He's not a brilliant player. He's fast, and shows flashes of brilliance, but all too often is pure ####. You know who else shows flashes of brilliance? Nani. United would sell him for a used pair of boots if they could. Walcott's not a difference maker to the best of clubs.

bet on QPR today.

 
I think Bale is as good as gone. He's simply worth too much for Spurs to keep him. The transfer fee they will get for him will allow them to sign at least 3-4 quality players in return.Also think he goes to RM. This domestic season has been a disaster so far, and that's a club that likes to make big moves. The notion that he and CRonaldo wouldn't be able to play together is pretty laughable, that's a duo that you make work. Bale's pretty versatile player. Also it wouldn't shock me to see Ronaldo moved, but it would surprise me. Beside the fact only a handful of teams could really afford him, RM would really be hard pressed to look at themselves in the mirror moving one of the best players in the world, still in his prime. ManUnited was under significant debt pressures to make a move, and they received a kings ransom in return, so no one can really blame them there. And the notion that Walcott would start and play 90 for some of those teams is just crazy. He's too small a player, and by small I mean he sucks. Sure, coming off a fantastic performance I'm sure a few will say I'm fishing, but I've been saying he sucks forever now, and stand by it still. He came up HUGE in a game in which they scored 7 against a beat up and #### opponent. Whoooopdeeedoooo. Lets see him come up big once in a big game for club or country. I can see Gunner fans wanting to keep him, that's fine and good. But you seriously think a team he could start on Juve, or Shalke, or a healthy AC Milan? or even Valencia? He's not a brilliant player. He's fast, and shows flashes of brilliance, but all too often is pure ####. You know who else shows flashes of brilliance? Nani. United would sell him for a used pair of boots if they could. Walcott's not a difference maker to the best of clubs. bet on QPR today.
I don't think Bale and Ronaldo are incompatible by any stretch, I just wonder where you play them, and given that both are going to play nearly every game, who gets bumped. And playing Bale at LB seems like a waste of his talents, really.
 
'Good said:
I don't think Bale and Ronaldo are incompatible by any stretch, I just wonder where you play them, and given that both are going to play nearly every game, who gets bumped. And playing Bale at LB seems like a waste of his talents, really.
It's not as if an attacking LB would be very novel for Real Madrid. They already have Marcelo. I don't think it would be waste of Bale, but I doubt he'd be any better than Marcelo already is as an attacking full back. If Jose is still in charge, I think the odd man out would probably be Di Maria (who is in the dog house, I understand). CR7 would move (mostly) to the right. Bale would be on the left. Benzema would be preferred at most times in the middle (particularly as Higuain is apparently a member of the group that Jose thinks tries to undermine him). I imagine Bale and Ronaldo would switch sides at times so that both could periodically cut inside on their stronger foot (neither really have a weak foot in truth, but I think we'd see a bit more of Bale on the right at Real).I do think Bale is a luxury on Real. And I don't think he's a truly world class winger when compared to Ronaldo, Ribery, or Robben. Part of that is likely because I don't think Spurs have really figured out exactly what his role is supposed to be. He cuts in more than a classic winger, but he isn't as clinical as Ronaldo or Robben.
 
Trying not to get my hopes up but the first real good news for Stewart Holden has come out.

Holden played over an hour in a scrimmage against Wigan and the Bolton manager said he played well and came out of it with no issues with his knee.

They are trying to arrange a couple of more friendlies and hope to have him rejoin the first team by end of January.
Fingers very gingerly crossed.
 
'Good said:
I don't think Bale and Ronaldo are incompatible by any stretch, I just wonder where you play them, and given that both are going to play nearly every game, who gets bumped. And playing Bale at LB seems like a waste of his talents, really.
It's not as if an attacking LB would be very novel for Real Madrid. They already have Marcelo. I don't think it would be waste of Bale, but I doubt he'd be any better than Marcelo already is as an attacking full back. If Jose is still in charge, I think the odd man out would probably be Di Maria (who is in the dog house, I understand). CR7 would move (mostly) to the right. Bale would be on the left. Benzema would be preferred at most times in the middle (particularly as Higuain is apparently a member of the group that Jose thinks tries to undermine him). I imagine Bale and Ronaldo would switch sides at times so that both could periodically cut inside on their stronger foot (neither really have a weak foot in truth, but I think we'd see a bit more of Bale on the right at Real).I do think Bale is a luxury on Real. And I don't think he's a truly world class winger when compared to Ronaldo, Ribery, or Robben. Part of that is likely because I don't think Spurs have really figured out exactly what his role is supposed to be. He cuts in more than a classic winger, but he isn't as clinical as Ronaldo or Robben.
He plays best as a winger, but he's shown he can do more. He's kind of stuck in that experimental stage. I'm guessing Real want to grab him now and mold him into what fits for them. He's only 23 and he was backing up Assou-Ekotto at left back three years ago so it's hard to know what his ceiling is.My understanding is he had growth issues in his mid-teens that limited him so he was a bit of a late bloomer. Given what RM will likely have to pay if they want him they obviously think he has a lot more potential.
 
'Good said:
I don't think Bale and Ronaldo are incompatible by any stretch, I just wonder where you play them, and given that both are going to play nearly every game, who gets bumped. And playing Bale at LB seems like a waste of his talents, really.
It's not as if an attacking LB would be very novel for Real Madrid. They already have Marcelo. I don't think it would be waste of Bale, but I doubt he'd be any better than Marcelo already is as an attacking full back. If Jose is still in charge, I think the odd man out would probably be Di Maria (who is in the dog house, I understand). CR7 would move (mostly) to the right. Bale would be on the left. Benzema would be preferred at most times in the middle (particularly as Higuain is apparently a member of the group that Jose thinks tries to undermine him). I imagine Bale and Ronaldo would switch sides at times so that both could periodically cut inside on their stronger foot (neither really have a weak foot in truth, but I think we'd see a bit more of Bale on the right at Real).I do think Bale is a luxury on Real. And I don't think he's a truly world class winger when compared to Ronaldo, Ribery, or Robben. Part of that is likely because I don't think Spurs have really figured out exactly what his role is supposed to be. He cuts in more than a classic winger, but he isn't as clinical as Ronaldo or Robben.
Geez, I'd forgotten about Marcelo. Out of sight, out of mind I guess.The other possibility is, of course, that RM are resigned to selling Ronaldo in the summer, and Bale will be his replacement on the left. Certainly a downgrade, but they'll also inevitably free up some pocket money to improve the team elsewhere. I hope Ronaldo's hot gf can't talk him into going to Paris instead of Manchester. The EPL is inevitably more interesting with him in it.If I'm RM, I think about cutting Mou go before the summer before he does more damage in that locker room. Ozil and Di Maria aren't the type of guys that you want to be putting in transfer slips.
 
http://m.espn.go.com...storyId=1283006

F Blatter. What a complete waste of a leadership position.
He's not wrong on many of those points. Sure, he's European elitist #####, doesn't understand the American sports marketplace, and probably corrupt as hell, but the MLS certainly still does have its issues.
His only legit point is that the current schedule impacts the MLS product. However, the schedule is not the reason the MLS doesn't compete with the Euro leagues - thats all about TV money. Its just not there for soccer in America right now. However, even without significant TV revenue, the MLS has shown significant growth and staying power. Considering the fractured nature of the sports market in general and the soccer market in particular, the progress of the MLS over the past 20 or so years is quite remarkable.Oh, and if that jackass was so concerned about the growth of the sport in the US, he shouldn't have rigged the 2022 WC bid for ####### Qatar.

 
http://m.espn.go.com/soccer/story?storyId=1283006

F Blatter. What a complete waste of a leadership position.
He's not wrong on many of those points. Sure, he's European elitist #####, doesn't understand the American sports marketplace, and probably corrupt as hell, but the MLS certainly still does have its issues.
I don't get it. How much more growth would any sane person have expected over the last 10 years both on and off the field for the league?When you couple that growth with the economic struggles of the country over that time period it is even more impressive.

We have gorgeous brand new stadiums all over the country

The league continues to produce talent that is good enough for some of the top leagues

We have academies being built from the ground up and being done right

The games are better, the tv coverage is better, the attendance is better, the atmosphere in the stadium is better., the media coverage is better...

This may be the most moronic article I have ever read that was not written by a soccer basher. How he brings up the schedule point without pointing the incredible progress the league has made is atrocious. At least the author of article tried to point out the inconsistencies of Blatter's point with the real data.

 
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My understanding is he had growth issues in his mid-teens that limited him so he was a bit of a late bloomer. Given what RM will likely have to pay if they want him they obviously think he has a lot more potential.
Welsh Messi?
I doubt we'll see another Messi in our lifetimes.
I am 45 and I have seen Pele, Maradona and Messi. I see no reason why the next 30 years would not produce another all time great.
 
My understanding is he had growth issues in his mid-teens that limited him so he was a bit of a late bloomer. Given what RM will likely have to pay if they want him they obviously think he has a lot more potential.
Welsh Messi?
I doubt we'll see another Messi in our lifetimes.
I am 45 and I have seen Pele, Maradona and Messi. I see no reason why the next 30 years would not produce another all time great.
Its kinda sacrilege, but Messi could be better than both Pele and Maradona when he's done. Afterall, he's only 25 right now.
 
My understanding is he had growth issues in his mid-teens that limited him so he was a bit of a late bloomer. Given what RM will likely have to pay if they want him they obviously think he has a lot more potential.
Welsh Messi?
I doubt we'll see another Messi in our lifetimes.
I am 45 and I have seen Pele, Maradona and Messi. I see no reason why the next 30 years would not produce another all time great.
Its kinda sacrilege, but Messi could be better than both Pele and Maradona when he's done. Afterall, he's only 25 right now.
I don't think it is sacrilege at all. If he can just get the one WC title, it will be next to impossible not to consider Messi the best ever unless he has a career killing injury.
 
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This guy is an utter embarrassment to the sport. And to think sadly there are people who are going to read his snippets with out any knowledge and believe him. Luckily he is getting skewered by the media for his gross level of ignorance.

Wherein FIFA president Sepp Blatter demonstrates his ignorance of MLS

Steve Davis Dec 30, 2012, 7:45 AM EST

At this point, does anyone take Sepp Blatter seriously? At this point, FIFA’s president is really is more cartoon than legitimate decision maker to be heard and respected.

FIFA’s wacky president is at it again, saying something that demonstrates how utterly out of touch he has become with the rest of us Earthlings.

This time Blatter has picked Major League Soccer for demonstrating his ignorance. He has reiterated, once again, that MLS must conform to the international soccer calendar for its own good.

What Blatter told Fox Soccer Channel’s Eric Wynalda in a series of interview outtakes:

"It would be better for US Soccer, and specifically also for the [united States] national team. And the popularity inside the country.”

He’s wrong. Dead wrong – at least about the popularity part. There are a dozen reasons why Major League Soccer operates on its current timetable. As I’ve written over and over, it may not be the right call 20 years down the road, but it continues to be the right call in 2012.

Still, you may agree with Blatter on this point. If so, that’s fine. But hopefully you have better rationale. Here is his:

"[MLS teams] have to play in summer because they are using the stadia of American football. And when they have their own stadium, they can change the calendar- they have to change the calendar.”

Now, in most eyes, the man has not a shred of credibility. Whatever he had left disappeared a few years ago when he said women’s soccer would find its popularity rising if they wore “tighter shorts.” Yes, he actually said that.

But if a shred or two still dangles in your eyes, consider this:

Two clubs in MLS continue to operate inside NFL stadiums, New England and Seattle. The Sounders would surely have gone another route by now, but the cooperative situation works great for them.

So, that’s two out of 19, Mr. Blatter.

Apparently, he’s not paying much attention. But why should that stop him from telling MLS what’s up?
 
http://m.espn.go.com/soccer/story?storyId=1283006

F Blatter. What a complete waste of a leadership position.
He's not wrong on many of those points. Sure, he's European elitist #####, doesn't understand the American sports marketplace, and probably corrupt as hell, but the MLS certainly still does have its issues.
It appears he has little to no knowledge of the MLS. I'm sure it has it's issues, but his rationale was completely inaccurate.
 
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My understanding is he had growth issues in his mid-teens that limited him so he was a bit of a late bloomer. Given what RM will likely have to pay if they want him they obviously think he has a lot more potential.
Welsh Messi?
I doubt we'll see another Messi in our lifetimes.
I am 45 and I have seen Pele, Maradona and Messi. I see no reason why the next 30 years would not produce another all time great.
Its kinda sacrilege, but Messi could be better than both Pele and Maradona when he's done. Afterall, he's only 25 right now.
I don't think it is sacrilege at all. If he can just get the one WC title, it will be next to impossible not to consider Messi the best ever unless he has a career killing injury.
If Messi does become the consensus all-time best, a level above Pele and Maradona, then you've been alive for 45 years and only 1 person will have reached the level projected for Messi in that time. Therefore, its not particularly likely that in another 30 years you'd see another player reach that level.Of course, Messi needs to be at a Jordan or Gretzky level for that to be true. He may be getting there, but Im not sure yet.
 
My understanding is he had growth issues in his mid-teens that limited him so he was a bit of a late bloomer. Given what RM will likely have to pay if they want him they obviously think he has a lot more potential.
Welsh Messi?
I doubt we'll see another Messi in our lifetimes.
I am 45 and I have seen Pele, Maradona and Messi. I see no reason why the next 30 years would not produce another all time great.
Its kinda sacrilege, but Messi could be better than both Pele and Maradona when he's done. Afterall, he's only 25 right now.
I don't think it is sacrilege at all. If he can just get the one WC title, it will be next to impossible not to consider Messi the best ever unless he has a career killing injury.
If Messi does become the consensus all-time best, a level above Pele and Maradona, then you've been alive for 45 years and only 1 person will have reached the level projected for Messi in that time. Therefore, its not particularly likely that in another 30 years you'd see another player reach that level.Of course, Messi needs to be at a Jordan or Gretzky level for that to be true. He may be getting there, but Im not sure yet.
I guess I look at it differently. I expect most will consider him the best of all time should he grab the brass ring at least once being by far the best player in the WC tournament as say Maradona was in 86. But even then it is not going to be a head and shoulders difference and you will likely get plenty of arguments from old timers who saw Maradona's brilliance at multiple club teams(2 in Argentina, and in Napoli and was still pretty great at Barca in between Argie and Napoli although he suffered a bad injury in his 2 years there), which is something Messi may never have on his résumé if he stays at Barca. So I still believe it is safe to group Pele, Maradona and Messi and say some where in the future another player will emerge to that level before most reading this thread die. Messi's best shot at immortality is in Brazil where he will be still young enough to dominate the tournament. He will be 31 come 2018 and may be just past his best at that point but still likely good enough to be an important member of the team.
 
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My understanding is he had growth issues in his mid-teens that limited him so he was a bit of a late bloomer. Given what RM will likely have to pay if they want him they obviously think he has a lot more potential.
Welsh Messi?
I doubt we'll see another Messi in our lifetimes.
I am 45 and I have seen Pele, Maradona and Messi. I see no reason why the next 30 years would not produce another all time great.
Its kinda sacrilege, but Messi could be better than both Pele and Maradona when he's done. Afterall, he's only 25 right now.
I don't think it is sacrilege at all. If he can just get the one WC title, it will be next to impossible not to consider Messi the best ever unless he has a career killing injury.
If Messi does become the consensus all-time best, a level above Pele and Maradona, then you've been alive for 45 years and only 1 person will have reached the level projected for Messi in that time. Therefore, its not particularly likely that in another 30 years you'd see another player reach that level.Of course, Messi needs to be at a Jordan or Gretzky level for that to be true. He may be getting there, but Im not sure yet.
I guess I look at it differently. I expect most will consider him the best of all time should he grab the brass ring at least once being by far the best player in the WC tournament as say Maradona was in 86.

But even then it is not going to be a head and shoulders difference and you will likely get plenty of arguments from old timers who saw Maradona's brilliance at multiple club teams(2 in Argentina, and in Napoli and was still pretty great at Barca in between Argie and Napoli although he suffered a bad injury in his 2 years there), which is something Messi may never have on his résumé if he stays at Barca.

So I still believe it is safe to group Pele, Maradona and Messi and say some where in the future another player will emerge to that level before most reading this thread die.

Messi's best shot at immortality is in Brazil where he will be still young enough to dominate the tournament. He will be 31 come 2018 and may be just past his best at that point but still likely good enough to be an important member of the team.
It's semantics of a sort, but I'm agreeing with Andy on this. If Messi wins the WC and IMO continues to up his dominance for country, then he'll easily join those two. I don't know that Pele was really part of Andy and my lifetimes (I'm basically the same age), but his legend obviously was (even if we count his Cosmos days). And I have no doubt we'll see at least another player in the next thirty years that will make people lump into the top tier. Hopefully he's from the US.
 
It's semantics of a sort, but I'm agreeing with Andy on this. If Messi wins the WC and IMO continues to up his dominance for country, then he'll easily join those two. I don't know that Pele was really part of Andy and my lifetimes (I'm basically the same age), but his legend obviously was (even if we count his Cosmos days). And I have no doubt we'll see at least another player in the next thirty years that will make people lump into the top tier. Hopefully he's from the US.
good point about Pele. I did see him play live so it instantly stuck in my mind but he was obviously well past prime when I saw him play when I was a kid.Then again I could have been 65 and been alive through his whole career and I still never would have seen him play outside of an odd highlight until the NASL days since there was virtually no tv coverage back then.

 
Speaking of seeing play live, has anyone seen Pele, Messi and Maradona live?

I have seen Pele and Maradona but never got the chance to see Messi yet.

 
In a related topic, ESPN.com is running a 5 month long poll in which they are trying to determine The Greatest Athlete of All Time. The definition is a bit loose and when looking at the candidates, they are really talking about the greatest players, not athletes specifically.

There are 16 different categories and each category gets one week to pick its winner and then the 16 winners face off in a NCAA bracket.

Categories include Basketball, hockey, baseball, golf, combat sports, soccer, football, tennis, swimming, auto sports, action sports etc

This week is soccer's turn.

The 5 choices are Messi, CRo, Pele, Maradona and Ronaldo

The winner of the soccer vote then goes against the winner of the action sport in the first knock out round.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sportsnation/feature/index?page=greatestofalltime

 
It's not that much different with Maradonna. I've seen Messi play well over 100 times, I'd wager. I'm not sure I can remember seeing Maradonna outside the World Cup (and really only remember him from the 86 and 90 versions because I only really remember Zico and Paulo Rossi from 82 and he was sent home in 94 before I got a chance to watch him). I'm not sure I ever saw a Napoli game.

By the same token, I've never seen Messi play with a bad team (Argentina is a flawed team, but no team with that much talent is bad.) I remember the 1990 Argentina team as having not much at all besides Maradonna. I remember thinking it was amazing that he carried that team to the final on the basis of one or two seeing eye passes a game.

I do think that, accounting for the talent around today, that Messi is the best player I've ever seen. Christiano Ronaldo is a great player, and he's frankly not even in the conversation with Messi. I'm not sure that I thought Maradonna was that much better than Zico or Platini before him or a healthy Van Basten after him. And goalkeeping alone now is just infinitely better than it was 30 years ago. The players are also far more fit.

 
In a related topic, ESPN.com is running a 5 month long poll in which they are trying to determine The Greatest Athlete of All Time. The definition is a bit loose and when looking at the candidates, they are really talking about the greatest players, not athletes specifically.There are 16 different categories and each category gets one week to pick its winner and then the 16 winners face off in a NCAA bracket.Categories include Basketball, hockey, baseball, golf, combat sports, soccer, football, tennis, swimming, auto sports, action sports etcThis week is soccer's turn.The 5 choices are Messi, CRo, Pele, Maradona and RonaldoThe winner of the soccer vote then goes against the winner of the action sport in the first knock out round.http://sports.espn.go.com/sportsnation/feature/index?page=greatestofalltime
Cristiano Ronaldo shouldn't even win the greatest ever Portugese footballer.
 
In a related topic, ESPN.com is running a 5 month long poll in which they are trying to determine The Greatest Athlete of All Time. The definition is a bit loose and when looking at the candidates, they are really talking about the greatest players, not athletes specifically.

There are 16 different categories and each category gets one week to pick its winner and then the 16 winners face off in a NCAA bracket.

Categories include Basketball, hockey, baseball, golf, combat sports, soccer, football, tennis, swimming, auto sports, action sports etc

This week is soccer's turn.

The 5 choices are Messi, CRo, Pele, Maradona and Ronaldo

The winner of the soccer vote then goes against the winner of the action sport in the first knock out round.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sportsnation/feature/index?page=greatestofalltime
Cristiano Ronaldo shouldn't even win the greatest ever Portugese footballer.
My link

 
Im constantly amazed at how small top salaries are in comparison to transfer fees.
Walcott is asking for $7-$8MM/year. That's quite a salary and Arsenal is pretty far down on the wage scale of big teams.Teams like RM, Barca, Bayern, Chelsea, City, Milan, etc. are much higher than Arsenal, Liverpool, or even United. I think Barca's average salary is more than what Walcott wants. On a per player basis the only other sports teams that can compete with these guys are organizations like the Yankees or the Lakers.
He's asking for what, 4M pounds per year? His transfer fee would be a multiple of that amount. Messi turned down 30M euro year season from the Russian team, but his buyout was 250M euro - 8 times more than his proposed salary. Ronaldo's 80M pound transfer was for a salary of 17.6M pounds - something Man U wasn't going to pay in the first place. Seems off to me that the system allows for teams to profit so much for the services of players they're unable/unwilling to afford.
Most of these top players sign 5 year guaranteed contracts, so when commentators discuss the cost of a player, it is typically transfer fee + total value of the contract. (FFP rules also amortize the transfer fee over the length of the contract.) I think Anzhi's reported offer for Messi is anomalous, since it never had a reasonable chance of being accepted and was based on his buy-out clause, not a market price. One recent example from Chelsea is Eden Hazard, a top transfer target last summer, with a transfer fee of approx. 35 mil. pounds and a total five year contract value of approx. 45 mil.
 
At what point do Arsenal, who have the highest ticket prices in the world, start keeping these guys?

Is it Wenger who won't pay out? Owners? Board?
The Swiss Ramble did an in=depth look at Arsenal's finances last fall --> Arsenal - The Song Remains The Same.While consistently one of the most profitable clubs in Europe, Arsenal has come to rely more and more on player sales to remain so. (I suppose we all knew that instinctively, without the need to slog through the typical Swiss Ramble 20 pages of charts and analysis). When I skimmed through this entry last Fall, my first thought was that Arsenal may be heading the way of Ajax - one of the perennial powerhouses in Euro football when I first started following the sport in the mid 80s, now essentially a feeder club; dominant in the Eredivisie and still a great club, but essentially irrelevant in Europe.

 
In a related topic, ESPN.com is running a 5 month long poll in which they are trying to determine The Greatest Athlete of All Time. The definition is a bit loose and when looking at the candidates, they are really talking about the greatest players, not athletes specifically.

There are 16 different categories and each category gets one week to pick its winner and then the 16 winners face off in a NCAA bracket.

Categories include Basketball, hockey, baseball, golf, combat sports, soccer, football, tennis, swimming, auto sports, action sports etc

This week is soccer's turn.

The 5 choices are Messi, CRo, Pele, Maradona and Ronaldo

The winner of the soccer vote then goes against the winner of the action sport in the first knock out round.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sportsnation/feature/index?page=greatestofalltime
Cristiano Ronaldo shouldn't even win the greatest ever Portugese footballer.
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I would cut and paste pictures of your children here, if I had them on my computer.
 
In a related topic, ESPN.com is running a 5 month long poll in which they are trying to determine The Greatest Athlete of All Time. The definition is a bit loose and when looking at the candidates, they are really talking about the greatest players, not athletes specifically.

There are 16 different categories and each category gets one week to pick its winner and then the 16 winners face off in a NCAA bracket.

Categories include Basketball, hockey, baseball, golf, combat sports, soccer, football, tennis, swimming, auto sports, action sports etc

This week is soccer's turn.

The 5 choices are Messi, CRo, Pele, Maradona and Ronaldo

The winner of the soccer vote then goes against the winner of the action sport in the first knock out round.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sportsnation/feature/index?page=greatestofalltime
Cristiano Ronaldo shouldn't even win the greatest ever Portugese footballer.
My link
I would cut and paste pictures of your children here, if I had them on my computer.
:lmao:

 
The rumored Ba/Chelsea deal has apparently been scuppered becaue Ba wanted somewhere around double his 20,000/wk and 20,000 appearance bonus. Chelsea's average 1st team player earns a bit over 70,000/wk. Considering the rush to get SuperFrank and Ashley Cole out the door, Chelsea certainly seems to be inordinately worried about the wage bill for a petrodollar club.

 
Speaking of seeing play live, has anyone seen Pele, Messi and Maradona live?I have seen Pele and Maradona but never got the chance to see Messi yet.
I was at the US v Argentina friendly in MetLife. That was fun but he hadn't really taken over the Argentina national team yet. The more special match was being in Barcelona for the 5-0 Classico to start the Mou era. We tried to get tickets, but I think the cheapest we could find were 600 euro each. The entire city shut down except for the bars showing the game. The game itself was breathtaking, tiki-taka may never be played at such a high level again. And after the match, the women folk were in quite a fine mood.
 

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