Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Anyone heard anything about Arsenal's interest in Mohamed Diame? Saw something on Twitter today that seemed to indicate they were ramping up their interest in him.
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T Bell
Footballguy
It's one of about 15-20 players they're linked to this transfer window. It's all speculation. What I'm most worried about is that they resign Theo Walcott and then call it a day.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Well, that's what I meant....has anyone seen anything detailed?Also, have I mentioned how much I enjoy cup football?
T Bell
Footballguy
He's just been a name mentioned, and I follow Arsenal closely - they're "my" team. The hot names at the moment are M'Vila (again), David Villa (which I think is a dumb move, given his age), and Adrian Lopez (who seems too similar to Giroud and not much of an improvement). Zaha is apparently on hold because Palace wants to keep him for the rest of the season and/or receive multiple PL level squad players to help them get promotion. They've mentioned Nani but that's fantasy - too expensive and I think there'd be a revolt by Gooners if they did more business with United after selling them RVP.In short, as usual I have no clue what they're going to do.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I agree with your comment insofar as there will be suspicions and accusations of fraud, but I disagree that means FFP has no teeth and that the EPL clubs will necessarily be penalized because they are more trustworthy than other leagues (my words). I also disagree that FFP depends entirely on accurate accounting. Besiktas is currently under a 2 year UEFA ban due to FFP violation for being late on payments to players and staff.There's no question that FFP is good for the big clubs. But I disagree that it will maintain the "status quo", as it is already affecting team behavior. I don't think there's any way Chelsea would be in a position to potentially lose Lampard and Cole if not for concerns regarding their salaries.That's a tad patronizing, isn't it? I explained why I thought FFP was BS. I've got a perfectly good understanding of the difference between what FFP aims for and what a salary cap does. In short, I explained the weaknesses, and you accused me of ignorance without addressing what I said. I'll let that speak for itself.Calling it "financial fair play" probably misleads people in to thinking it's about leveling the playing field, but it's really about finanical responsibility - making sure clubs pay their players, stay out of debt and ultimately keep from going under like Rangers.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Anyone familiar with the baby who played and scored for Man City today.?
Name is Marcos Lopes. I had never heard of him. He turned 17 just last week and is said to be the next big Portuguese star. Born in Brazil and raised in the Benfica's youth system. Man City scooped him up in late 2011 when he was still just 15.
I think he goes by the name Ron or Ronny.
Name is Marcos Lopes. I had never heard of him. He turned 17 just last week and is said to be the next big Portuguese star. Born in Brazil and raised in the Benfica's youth system. Man City scooped him up in late 2011 when he was still just 15.
I think he goes by the name Ron or Ronny.
T Bell
Footballguy
Besiktas (and Malaga) are great examples of what I'm talking about. Those are obvious problems, but not of teams bringing in "too much" outside cash, but of not having enough. Identifying such clubs has never been much of a problem - usually they're the ones with players complaining, right. It's also not a coincidence that those clubs have little political clout within Europe overall, so UEFA is more than happy to "get tough" with them and make examples of them. It's the ones who never have a problem meeting payroll, no matter how much they spend (e.g. Chelsea and Man City), who are the reason for FFP. In response to FFP, City signed a 400M pound sponsorship deal with Etihad, which is owned by the same Qatari investment company affiliated with Sheikh Mansour. It's way "above market", in other words it's a sweetheart deal meant to get around the FFP limitations. I haven't heard a peep out of the FA or UEFA about it. This is what I'm talking about. Until they can close these loopholes (and what will undoubtedly be dozens of variations of such loopholes), FFP will be toothless. Worse, clubs like mine (Arsenal) or the German clubs who want to honor it through solid financial practices are only punishing themselves in the meantime by holding themselves back competitively. Moroever, I can easily see these oil-rich clubs deciding that it's worth it to clean up on silverware for a few years, eat their FFP sanctions, and then start all over again.I agree with your comment insofar as there will be suspicions and accusations of fraud, but I disagree that means FFP has no teeth and that the EPL clubs will necessarily be penalized because they are more trustworthy than other leagues (my words). I also disagree that FFP depends entirely on accurate accounting. Besiktas is currently under a 2 year UEFA ban due to FFP violation for being late on payments to players and staff.There's no question that FFP is good for the big clubs. But I disagree that it will maintain the "status quo", as it is already affecting team behavior. I don't think there's any way Chelsea would be in a position to potentially lose Lampard and Cole if not for concerns regarding their salaries.That's a tad patronizing, isn't it? I explained why I thought FFP was BS. I've got a perfectly good understanding of the difference between what FFP aims for and what a salary cap does. In short, I explained the weaknesses, and you accused me of ignorance without addressing what I said. I'll let that speak for itself.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I think our disagreement is minor, but it is illustrated by the bolded sentence above. Many fans wrongly think the purpose of FFP is to bring the big-spending clubs down to earth. That's not the case. They do expect to reign in runaway wages and transfer fees, but that will also benefit big clubs as expeditures are tied to income. Arsenal have for years favored financial stability and profit-taking over spending. I'm sure they would continue to remain one of the most profitable clubs in Europe, regardless of FFP.Besiktas (and Malaga) are great examples of what I'm talking about. Those are obvious problems, but not of teams bringing in "too much" outside cash, but of not having enough. Identifying such clubs has never been much of a problem - usually they're the ones with players complaining, right. It's also not a coincidence that those clubs have little political clout within Europe overall, so UEFA is more than happy to "get tough" with them and make examples of them. It's the ones who never have a problem meeting payroll, no matter how much they spend (e.g. Chelsea and Man City), who are the reason for FFP. In response to FFP, City signed a 400M pound sponsorship deal with Etihad, which is owned by the same Qatari investment company affiliated with Sheikh Mansour. It's way "above market", in other words it's a sweetheart deal meant to get around the FFP limitations. I haven't heard a peep out of the FA or UEFA about it. This is what I'm talking about.I agree with your comment insofar as there will be suspicions and accusations of fraud, but I disagree that means FFP has no teeth and that the EPL clubs will necessarily be penalized because they are more trustworthy than other leagues (my words). I also disagree that FFP depends entirely on accurate accounting. Besiktas is currently under a 2 year UEFA ban due to FFP violation for being late on payments to players and staff.There's no question that FFP is good for the big clubs. But I disagree that it will maintain the "status quo", as it is already affecting team behavior. I don't think there's any way Chelsea would be in a position to potentially lose Lampard and Cole if not for concerns regarding their salaries.That's a tad patronizing, isn't it? I explained why I thought FFP was BS. I've got a perfectly good understanding of the difference between what FFP aims for and what a salary cap does. In short, I explained the weaknesses, and you accused me of ignorance without addressing what I said. I'll let that speak for itself.
Until they can close these loopholes (and what will undoubtedly be dozens of variations of such loopholes), FFP will be toothless. Worse, clubs like mine (Arsenal) or the German clubs who want to honor it through solid financial practices are only punishing themselves in the meantime by holding themselves back competitively. Moroever, I can easily see these oil-rich clubs deciding that it's worth it to clean up on silverware for a few years, eat their FFP sanctions, and then start all over again.
T Bell
Footballguy
We're saying the same thing.I think our disagreement is minor, but it is illustrated by the bolded sentence above. Many fans wrongly think the purpose of FFP is to bring the big-spending clubs down to earth. That's not the case. They do expect to reign in runaway wages and transfer fees, but that will also benefit big clubs as expeditures are tied to income. Arsenal have for years favored financial stability and profit-taking over spending. I'm sure they would continue to remain one of the most profitable clubs in Europe, regardless of FFP.Besiktas (and Malaga) are great examples of what I'm talking about. Those are obvious problems, but not of teams bringing in "too much" outside cash, but of not having enough. Identifying such clubs has never been much of a problem - usually they're the ones with players complaining, right. It's also not a coincidence that those clubs have little political clout within Europe overall, so UEFA is more than happy to "get tough" with them and make examples of them. It's the ones who never have a problem meeting payroll, no matter how much they spend (e.g. Chelsea and Man City), who are the reason for FFP. In response to FFP, City signed a 400M pound sponsorship deal with Etihad, which is owned by the same Qatari investment company affiliated with Sheikh Mansour. It's way "above market", in other words it's a sweetheart deal meant to get around the FFP limitations. I haven't heard a peep out of the FA or UEFA about it. This is what I'm talking about.I agree with your comment insofar as there will be suspicions and accusations of fraud, but I disagree that means FFP has no teeth and that the EPL clubs will necessarily be penalized because they are more trustworthy than other leagues (my words). I also disagree that FFP depends entirely on accurate accounting. Besiktas is currently under a 2 year UEFA ban due to FFP violation for being late on payments to players and staff.There's no question that FFP is good for the big clubs. But I disagree that it will maintain the "status quo", as it is already affecting team behavior. I don't think there's any way Chelsea would be in a position to potentially lose Lampard and Cole if not for concerns regarding their salaries.That's a tad patronizing, isn't it? I explained why I thought FFP was BS. I've got a perfectly good understanding of the difference between what FFP aims for and what a salary cap does. In short, I explained the weaknesses, and you accused me of ignorance without addressing what I said. I'll let that speak for itself.
Until they can close these loopholes (and what will undoubtedly be dozens of variations of such loopholes), FFP will be toothless. Worse, clubs like mine (Arsenal) or the German clubs who want to honor it through solid financial practices are only punishing themselves in the meantime by holding themselves back competitively. Moroever, I can easily see these oil-rich clubs deciding that it's worth it to clean up on silverware for a few years, eat their FFP sanctions, and then start all over again.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Joe Cole = playmaker
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Nice work by Daniel Hylton of Aldershot Town for getting a natural hat trick, and then getting thrown out of the game. Gordie Howe!
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Looks like Bedoya will be coming to the January camp along with Morales and EJ.
JK will announce full roster on Fox Soccer tomorrow at 1:00pm eastern on the Goals On Sunday show.
JK will announce full roster on Fox Soccer tomorrow at 1:00pm eastern on the Goals On Sunday show.
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Random Tidbits
*Robbie Keane looks to have turned down a loan with EPL and also signed a 2 year extension with the Galaxy
*NY continues their overhaul by trading Joel Lindpare to Chicago for an international slot. This is the 14th player NY has removed from last seasons roster.
*Zusi will be training with West Ham next week and Sean Johnson has returned from a 3 week training period with Stoke and Everton.
*Robbie Keane looks to have turned down a loan with EPL and also signed a 2 year extension with the Galaxy
*NY continues their overhaul by trading Joel Lindpare to Chicago for an international slot. This is the 14th player NY has removed from last seasons roster.
*Zusi will be training with West Ham next week and Sean Johnson has returned from a 3 week training period with Stoke and Everton.
El Floppo
Footballguy
He's lost a step, but he's been the heart and soul of that team since coming in. But given their form in that stretch, maybe that's not a great thing.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
They have certainly been busy so farIN
Kosuke Kimura D (Trade - PTFC)
Jamison Olave D (Trade - RSL)
Fabian Espindola F (Trade - RSL)
Josue Martinez F (Trade - PHI)
Santiago Castano GK (Homegrown)
Amando Moreno F (Homegrown)
Juninho M (Free - Vasco da Gama)
OUT
Teemu Tainio M (Released)
Jan Gunnar Solli M (Released)
Bill Gaudette GK (Released)
Jose Angulo F (Released)
Jhonny Arteaga F (Released)
Corey Hertzog F (Released)
Jonathan Borrajo D (Released)
Stephen Keel D (Released)
Tyler Ruthven D (Released)
Jeremy Vuolo GK (Released)
Sebastien Le Toux F (Trade - PHI)
Rafael Marquez D/M (Free - Leon)
Joel Lindpare M (Trade - Chic)
Other Considerations:
Allocation money to PTFC (in K Kimura trade)
HG rights to B Gallego to PTFC (in K Kimura trade)
2103 2nd Rd SuperDraft pick from PTFC (in K Kimura trade)
Allocation money to RSL (in J Olave trade)
Allocation money to RSL (in F Espindola trade)
Allocation money from PHI (in S Le Toux Trade)
International slot from Chic (in J Lindpare trade)
Yeah, wtf did Chicago give up?The longer we don't get a Beckham, Henri, etc. the more pissed I'm going to get.
El Floppo
Footballguy
You had Quaxitackiatocmoc- stop yer belly-achin'.And you're getting a very good pro in Lindpere.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
We were considering two Aztec sounding names for our babies the other day: Xocolatl and Crisantemoc
El Floppo
Footballguy
Not Hugo?
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Very simple. Each MLS team starts with 8 international slots (think of the old days in Serie A where you could only have 3 foreign players, it is similar to that). Only difference in MLS is that you can trade your slots so that means some teams will have more than 8, some teams will have less.
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Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
I'm not Andy but ill give it a shot. Each MLS team generally has 8 international player roster spots. Players that aren't either US citizens or hold a green card take up international slots. These slots can be used as tradable commodities within the league. So without regard to other slots that may or may not have been involved in prior deals, NY traded Lindpere to Chicago for one of Chicago's slots, so for at least this season, NY can field 9 int'l players and Chicago can only field 7.The length of time NY holds this slot is negotiated as part of the trade. Most times the slot is traded for one season, but it can be longer. Real Salt Lake once traded an international slot permanently.ETA - Andy beat me by one minute
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Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Xtapolapocetl down?
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Good trivia
. I never knew this. I wonder if they made this trade expecting the rules to eventually change (which I think they will in the next CBA).
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Rafa Marquez Z Machine has a nice ring to it. You could have Cobi Jones be the god father.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
I was mistaken - RSL actually traded two spots permanently, back in 2004 and 2005. We've had at least one new CBA since then so I think those spots are goneGood trivia
jonessed
Footballguy
That's cool as long as you are OK with people calling them Xoc and Cris.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Three of Zidane's sons are in the Real Madrid youth system.
The oldest, Enzo, (17) uses his mothers last name of Fernandez.
Enzo could represent either Spain or France if he is good enough.
The oldest, Enzo, (17) uses his mothers last name of Fernandez.
Enzo could represent either Spain or France if he is good enough.
T Bell
Footballguy
Kinda sucks to be a footballer with Zizou as your father. I think you'd want to get a job about as far away from that as possible, like marine biologist or something.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Enzo is said to be an excellent player in Madrid's youth system. I know nothing of the two younger sons. There is a 4th brother as well I think but he does not play at this level from what I can gather.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Maybe that's why he took his Mother's name
Having that lineage can be an advantage though. Definitely get some extra looks.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
What a turnaround for Arsenal. Fantastic volley from Gibbs to make it 2-1.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
And it's 2-2. What a game.
T Bell
Footballguy
Their defense is just awful. People keep talking about DM and how Arteta isn't good enough there, but I just think their back four have been pretty bad a lot this year, and in any combination of CB's you like between Mertesacker, Vermaelen and Koscielny. Gibbs is getting notorious for mental errors at LB, and even Sagna has had his moments. Frustrating.
Sebowski
Footballguy
And Pescara shuts out Fiorentina @ Fiorentina. Crazy day in the Serie A.10 man Samp come down from 0-1 to win 2-1 @ Juve
Sebowski
Footballguy
Diaby looked like a beast for a couple games earlier. He has never been the picture of consistency, but he will certainly help with the midfield.
T Bell
Footballguy
Diaby's a stud. His problem is that he's healthy for 3-5 games, and then is injured for three months. Rinse, repeat. I'm about ready to write him off. But yes, he's a first class talent and is great at linking up the defense with the attack, including by dribbling through the midfield.
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
I imagine it can be kind of rough. Cruyff's son Jordi played for Barcelona for a while and was a productive player. However, I think the fans' opinion of his play was affected by the fact he wasn't as good as his father.'T Bell said:
T Bell
Footballguy
That's what I mean. No matter how good you are, you're going to be compared to an all-time great. Even if he's the best player on his team, his father was arguably the best player of his (very good) generation. You'll never match up.
T Bell
Footballguy
This is not news.Suarez cheating against Mansfield Town
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
January USMNT Camp Cupcake roster
U.S. ROSTER BY POSITION – Detailed Roster
GOALKEEPERS (3): Tally Hall (Houston Dynamo), Bill Hamid (D.C. United), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire)
DEFENDERS (9): Steven Beitashour (San Jose Earthquakes), Tony Beltran (Real Salt Lake), Matt Besler (Sporting Kansas City), A.J. DeLaGarza (LA Galaxy), Omar Gonzalez (LA Galaxy), Connor Lade (New York Red Bulls), Alfredo Morales (Hertha Berlin), Justin Morrow (San Jose Earthquakes), Jeff Parke (Philadelphia Union)
MIDFIELDERS (8): Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Alejandro Bedoya (out of contract), Brad Davis (Houston Dynamo), Mix Diskerud (Rosenborg), Brad Evans (Seattle Sounders), Benny Feilhaber (Sporting Kansas City), Joshua Gatt (Molde), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City)
FORWARDS (5): Juan Agudelo (Chivas USA), Will Bruin (Houston Dynamo), Edson Buddle (Colorado Rapids), Eddie Johnson (Seattle Sounders), Chris Wondolowski (San Jose Earthquakes)
U.S. ROSTER BY POSITION – Detailed Roster
GOALKEEPERS (3): Tally Hall (Houston Dynamo), Bill Hamid (D.C. United), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire)
DEFENDERS (9): Steven Beitashour (San Jose Earthquakes), Tony Beltran (Real Salt Lake), Matt Besler (Sporting Kansas City), A.J. DeLaGarza (LA Galaxy), Omar Gonzalez (LA Galaxy), Connor Lade (New York Red Bulls), Alfredo Morales (Hertha Berlin), Justin Morrow (San Jose Earthquakes), Jeff Parke (Philadelphia Union)
MIDFIELDERS (8): Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Alejandro Bedoya (out of contract), Brad Davis (Houston Dynamo), Mix Diskerud (Rosenborg), Brad Evans (Seattle Sounders), Benny Feilhaber (Sporting Kansas City), Joshua Gatt (Molde), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City)
FORWARDS (5): Juan Agudelo (Chivas USA), Will Bruin (Houston Dynamo), Edson Buddle (Colorado Rapids), Eddie Johnson (Seattle Sounders), Chris Wondolowski (San Jose Earthquakes)
The Gator
Footballguy
No way. Bad no-call by the ref, but not cheating.Suarez cheating against Mansfield Town
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
About what we expected. Some comments1) Surprised no Jones. I figured with his suspension he would be at camp2) Not sure I like Bruin over Sappong. 3) Where is Nick Rimando? He has been the US number 3 keeper for a while now. Of this group, I figure Zusi, EJ, Gonzo, and maybe Beckerman might be considered for the qualifiers.
GoFishTN
Footballguy
It's only cheating if you're caught?No way. Bad no-call by the ref, but not cheating.Suarez cheating against Mansfield Town
The Gator
Footballguy
It wasn't deliberate imoIt's only cheating if you're caught?No way. Bad no-call by the ref, but not cheating.Suarez cheating against Mansfield Town
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