What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

***Official Soccer Discussion Thread*** (1 Viewer)

I assume both Sneijder and Drogba are allowed to play in the Champions League' knock out rounds starting in February right?
Yes, neither is cup-tied.What I want to know is where Galatasaray is getting all this money. I remember in the summer window they took Felipe Melo on loan from Juventus for a 2nd straight year because they couldn't afford to buy him outright. Now they can pay Sneijder and Drogba? I'm sure UEFA is going to be real interested to see their books.
 
I assume both Sneijder and Drogba are allowed to play in the Champions League' knock out rounds starting in February right?
Yes, neither is cup-tied.What I want to know is where Galatasaray is getting all this money. I remember in the summer window they took Felipe Melo on loan from Juventus for a 2nd straight year because they couldn't afford to buy him outright. Now they can pay Sneijder and Drogba? I'm sure UEFA is going to be real interested to see their books.
They're mostly taking on salary. The transfer fees aren't that significant.
 
I assume both Sneijder and Drogba are allowed to play in the Champions League' knock out rounds starting in February right?
Yes, neither is cup-tied.What I want to know is where Galatasaray is getting all this money. I remember in the summer window they took Felipe Melo on loan from Juventus for a 2nd straight year because they couldn't afford to buy him outright. Now they can pay Sneijder and Drogba? I'm sure UEFA is going to be real interested to see their books.
They're mostly taking on salary. The transfer fees aren't that significant.
One thing they offer, at least for Sneijder, was a lower tax rate. They could offer him the same ent pay per week at a less of a put out from the club. IIRC, it was something like 15-20% lower than Italy's rate.
 
I assume both Sneijder and Drogba are allowed to play in the Champions League' knock out rounds starting in February right?
Yes, neither is cup-tied.What I want to know is where Galatasaray is getting all this money. I remember in the summer window they took Felipe Melo on loan from Juventus for a 2nd straight year because they couldn't afford to buy him outright. Now they can pay Sneijder and Drogba? I'm sure UEFA is going to be real interested to see their books.
They're mostly taking on salary. The transfer fees aren't that significant.
One thing they offer, at least for Sneijder, was a lower tax rate. They could offer him the same ent pay per week at a less of a put out from the club. IIRC, it was something like 15-20% lower than Italy's rate.
Many clubs have paid a player's tax (or the difference in tax) before. They throw in the villa by the lake / beach and a chauffeured car too.
 
Interesting piece from the NY Times which focuses on Bedoya but really talks more about the vast choices American soccer players need to make in comparison to other American sports.

TORRANCE, Calif. — Imagine you are an American professional athlete entering free agency. You have to decide where next to play.Money will be a huge factor. Location matters, too. How about playing time? You have a whole list of concerns.Now imagine you are a promising American pro soccer player. Take those issues, pile on several more, and, just so you know, some of those issues you will need to translate from Swedish.“There are many, many, many variables,” Alejandro Bedoya, a player facing these issues, said last week, laughing. “So many more factors come into play.”Bedoya, a 25-year-old midfielder raised in Miami, has been participating this month in the United States national team’s training camp. Of the 25 players invited, he was the only one not attached to a club team, having become a free agent when his short-term contract with Helsingborgs IF, the reigning champion of Sweden, expired earlier this month.It is not that teams are not vying to sign him. Bedoya, who has also played in Scotland, has been receiving updates every morning from his agent, Lyle Yorks, about clubs coming forward with offers. As of Thursday night, he was considering opportunities from more than 15 clubs — in Germany, France, Spain, the Netherlands, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Russia, Sweden and Switzerland, as well as Major League Soccer.Last week, a national team staffer went around the team hotel asking players where they needed to fly after Tuesday’s exhibition match against Canada in Houston. “I was the only one who responded, ‘I don’t know,’ ” Bedoya said.Bedoya’s circumstance offers a glimpse of a process common among American soccer players, who continue to search far and wide for opportunities in the world’s most popular sport. And each choice comes stocked with dizzying implications.Athletes often have reservations about whether they will get along with their coach. Bedoya, who is fluent in English and Spanish and conversational in Swedish, cannot be sure whether they will even speak the same language.Players in other sports in the United States sometimes dislike the idea of moving from the West Coast to the East. Bedoya is pondering jobs more than 6,000 miles from where he grew up.Other things, Bedoya can ignore. He is single, so he does not have to worry about moving a family overseas. And he probably does not need to consider whether he will face overt racial abuse, a lingering problem in some European leagues.Add politics, climate and food — issues that concern players in all sports, but ones seemingly magnified for globe-trotting soccer players.“Maybe the culture is crazy and maybe I never pick up the language,” Bedoya said. “Maybe the money is really good. But am I going to be happy there? I think to play at your highest level, you have to be satisfied in life, also.”But there is more. For instance, in no other major sport does the national team represent such a life and career goal. Bedoya was on the United States’ preliminary 30-man roster for the 2010 World Cup before missing the final cut. He wants a better outcome for the World Cup next year in Brazil, assuming the United States is successful in the final regional qualifying round, which begins Feb. 6 at Honduras.“I can’t speak for everybody, but I assume that the World Cup represents the pinnacle for any soccer player,” Bedoya said. “I would take less money to find a club situation that will get me to playing time, a path to becoming a better player, and a spot for 2014.”For that reason, Bedoya said he was unlikely to sign for any of the interested clubs from Eastern Europe, out of the spotlight, even though they offered the most money. Growth and stability are his main concerns.United States Coach Jurgen Klinsmann said he wanted to see Bedoya find a stable environment.“He needs a club that challenges him,” Klinsmann said. “He has to be a regular starter. He has to be a consistent performer for his team. And once he breaks into the team, if it’s in Europe or even in M.L.S., he has to become a leader in the team.”But finding stability is not so simple. Teams that add players over the winter often do so while trying to avoid relegation to a lower league. Bedoya may settle nicely into a squad, only for it to be demoted.“Fighting relegation is not easy, and being a part of that, it can get messy,” Bedoya said. “For your future: it’s, ‘What happens if we’re relegated? Am I doing to have to switch clubs again? Is my salary cut?’ It’s just more to think about.”Despite his free-agent status, Bedoya said he felt pressed to find a team before February, when the international transfer period closes. But that feeling of urgency has clashed with the impulse to see what other offers might materialize.Maybe another team — maybe from another country, perhaps another continent, and bringing a whole set of professional and personal issues — will come calling.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Nick DeLeon has been called up again by T&T whom he is eligible to play for through his father. He turned them down once last year. Would have been nice if he got a call into the January camp to make him feel like he is on the US radar. He could be an important player for the 2018 cycle.
Today he officially turned down the call up. :thumbup:
 
Honduras looks like they have already release their roster for the US game. Saw this on TwitterLOS 23 CONVOCADOSPORTEROS 1. Noel Valladares (Olimpia)2. Donis Escober (Olimpia)3. José Mendoza (Marathón)DEFENSAS 4. Arnold Peralta (Vida)5. Brayan Beckeles (Olimpia)6. Victor Bernárdez (San José, MLS)7. Osman Chávez (Wisla Cracovia, Polonia)8. Maynor Figueroa ( Wigan, Inglaterra)9. Juan Pablo Montes (Platense)10. Emilio Izaguirre (Celtic)11. Juan Carlos García (Olimpia)VOLANTES 12. Luis Garrido (Estrella Roja, Belgrado)13. Jorge Claros (Hibernian, Escocia)14. Roger Espinoza (Wigan, Inglaterra)15. Alex López (Olimpia)16. Andy Najar (DC United, MLS)17. Boniek García (Dynamo, MLS)18. Mario Martínez (Seattle, MLS)19. Aldo Oviedo (Real España)DELANTEROS 20. Jerry Bengtson (New England, MLS)21. Roger Rojas (Olimpia)22. Carlo Costly (Veria, Grecia)23. Georgie Welcome (Motagua)

 
This is the kid who is eligible to play for the US (born in Alabama) that we have talked about earlier in the thread. I believe he was leading or at the top of the Danish league scoring charts. Wonder if this could indicate that AZ may be looking to move Jozy?Doug McIntyre (@DougMacESPN)1/28/13, 12:01 PMHearing Aron Johannsson's transfer to AZ, where he'll join #usmnt striker Jozy Altidore, is complete. Announcement tmrw.

 
Long article about US youth developmentI saw this tweeted earlier by Atlantic writer Derek Thompson. A simple albeit long read. Nothing really earth-shattering, but I'm always interested to read about the development of our young players.A couple of snippets that I found interesting:
1. Coaching: Who watches the watchmen?"In other countries being known as a developmental coach who passes players on from the under-14 level is a mark of pride," Mondelo said. "Here, the best coaches all gravitate to U-17 and U-18, and between the ages of 5 and 13, parents coaching soccer out of a book still predominate."Agoos believes a solution may be on the horizon. "Unlike other nations, most of our coaches never played the game at a high level, but we are starting to target the first generation of MLS players who have retired from the league. If we can engage and educate them, we will have a steady supply of intelligent individuals with experience."
4. Scouting and Recruitment: Beyond the suburbsIs the academy system doing a good job of recruiting talent from urban areas?"Part of good development is having an effective scouting network," Mondelo said. "In Spain, Barcelona scouts know every kid in Catalonia. Here we don't know what is going on in Brooklyn or in the Haitian community in the Bronx. That will change, but right now, even if we find a talented kid in upstate New York we have no club to plug him into.""Scouts from the Mexican Federation, Pachuca and Manchester City visit us far more than the U.S. national team scouts," said Fullerton Rangers coach Obleda.
Jeff Agoos and Alfonso Mondelo are technical directors for the MLS. I thought that comment from the Fullerton Rangers (one of the top youth teams in the country) was interesting.
 
Long article about US youth developmentI saw this tweeted earlier by Atlantic writer Derek Thompson. A simple albeit long read. Nothing really earth-shattering, but I'm always interested to read about the development of our young players.
Lots of good stuff in there. Thanks for linking! Here is one snippet I found eye opening
All three men articulated the values which underpin the academy system in well-drilled fashion, yet the passion they share could not help but bubble up, especially as they described the ways in which the transformative impact has been felt. "The first thing we realized was the 4,000 prospects we consider our elite were playing way too many games," Lepore said. A survey revealed the average under-15 player took to the field over 100 times a year, suiting up for high school, club, district, regional and national teams. Mondelo had witnessed the impact of these old habits firsthand. "Our kids were playing two or three games a week, then packing six matches at a weekend tournament," he said. "They became phenomenal athletes who could single-handedly win games, but by the time they were suddenly matched against international opposition at 18 years old, they were exposed for what they were -- which was average." Agoos outlined the new approach. "We wanted to move to a schedule of four to five days training, one game a week and one day of complete rest. We were looking to hit a ratio of at least four days training for every game, whereas before it was the other way around." Lepore eagerly reeled off the numbers. "The average American club used to offer just 12 hours of training a month. With our new emphasis on training, we are aiming for eight hours a week which, over the newly extended 10-month season, computes to 350 hours a year."
 
1. Coaching: Who watches the watchmen?"In other countries being known as a developmental coach who passes players on from the under-14 level is a mark of pride," Mondelo said. "Here, the best coaches all gravitate to U-17 and U-18, and between the ages of 5 and 13, parents coaching soccer out of a book still predominate."Agoos believes a solution may be on the horizon. "Unlike other nations, most of our coaches never played the game at a high level, but we are starting to target the first generation of MLS players who have retired from the league. If we can engage and educate them, we will have a steady supply of intelligent individuals with experience."
The coaching thing is HUGE. How many kids in Catalonia go play rec soccer on a team that had a dad end up coaching because there was no other person that volunteered to coach?That has a lot to do with the leagues, though. Most kids play rec soccer and don't have access to club teams. We're just now in the process of bringing US Club Soccer to my little town. Just by doing that it pushes the coaches to get their coaching licenses. So by virtue of a better parent organization, the coaching will improve and the youth development will improve.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Cameron's is now out with a hamstring issue. It does not sound serious but it is hard to stay positive when 3 of the US's 4 normal starting defenders are dealing with various problems with the qualifier so close. This weekend coming up will be huge to see if Cameron, Fab and Cherundolo can get back on the field. Because of all the injury uncertainty, I wonder if we won't see a US Roster released until Sunday.

 
Cool, looks like they got the deal done in time. Ives Galarcep (@SoccerByIves)1/28/13, 9:43 PMBREAKING: Shea being sold to Stoke City pending physical (set for Tuesday). Approx $3.5-$4 million: bit.ly/YAArHC #fcdallas #stoke

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Honduras looks like they have already release their roster for the US game. Saw this on Twitter

LOS 23 CONVOCADOS

PORTEROS

1. Noel Valladares (Olimpia)

2. Donis Escober (Olimpia)

3. José Mendoza (Marathón)

DEFENSAS

4. Arnold Peralta (Vida)

5. Brayan Beckeles (Olimpia)

6. Victor Bernárdez (San José, MLS)

7. Osman Chávez (Wisla Cracovia, Polonia)

8. Maynor Figueroa ( Wigan, Inglaterra)

9. Juan Pablo Montes (Platense)

10. Emilio Izaguirre (Celtic)

11. Juan Carlos García (Olimpia)

VOLANTES

12. Luis Garrido (Estrella Roja, Belgrado)

13. Jorge Claros (Hibernian, Escocia)

14. Roger Espinoza (Wigan, Inglaterra)

15. Alex López (Olimpia)

16. Andy Najar (DC United, MLS)

17. Boniek García (Dynamo, MLS)

18. Mario Martínez (Seattle, MLS)

19. Aldo Oviedo (Real España)

DELANTEROS

20. Jerry Bengtson (New England, MLS)

21. Roger Rojas (Olimpia)

22. Carlo Costly (Veria, Grecia)

23. Georgie Welcome (Motagua)
Costly and Welcome... still? And Bengston- I feel like I see him play for club and he's meh, but for country he's great- does that sound right?And interesting to see the Hondurans starting to play all over the place out of Honduras.

 
Honduras looks like they have already release their roster for the US game. Saw this on Twitter

LOS 23 CONVOCADOS

PORTEROS

1. Noel Valladares (Olimpia)

2. Donis Escober (Olimpia)

3. José Mendoza (Marathón)

DEFENSAS

4. Arnold Peralta (Vida)

5. Brayan Beckeles (Olimpia)

6. Victor Bernárdez (San José, MLS)

7. Osman Chávez (Wisla Cracovia, Polonia)

8. Maynor Figueroa ( Wigan, Inglaterra)

9. Juan Pablo Montes (Platense)

10. Emilio Izaguirre (Celtic)

11. Juan Carlos García (Olimpia)

VOLANTES

12. Luis Garrido (Estrella Roja, Belgrado)

13. Jorge Claros (Hibernian, Escocia)

14. Roger Espinoza (Wigan, Inglaterra)

15. Alex López (Olimpia)

16. Andy Najar (DC United, MLS)

17. Boniek García (Dynamo, MLS)

18. Mario Martínez (Seattle, MLS)

19. Aldo Oviedo (Real España)

DELANTEROS

20. Jerry Bengtson (New England, MLS)

21. Roger Rojas (Olimpia)

22. Carlo Costly (Veria, Grecia)

23. Georgie Welcome (Motagua)
Costly and Welcome... still? And Bengston- I feel like I see him play for club and he's meh, but for country he's great- does that sound right?And interesting to see the Hondurans starting to play all over the place out of Honduras.
You are correct about Bengtson.. He was ok for the Revs last season but typical of many summer signings in MLS he had some trouble acclimating in his first season. He was very good at club level in Honduras as he was the leagues leading scorer three times. He is pretty deadly at the international level. He had 3 goals in 4 games for the Honduran Olympic team and has scored a healthy 14 in just 24 caps for the senior side.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Looks like we will have more rankings to peruse for US games as the Castrol Index will be used from now on for all US Soccer games in 2013. In simple terms Castrol attempts to categorize and score the massive amount of Opta data available from each game and then ranks the players based on these scores.

What is the Castrol U.S. Soccer Index?The Castrol Index is the Official Performance Index of the U.S. Soccer Federation and uses the latest technology to objectively analyze player performance to help you see soccer from a completely different perspective.How is the Castrol Index calculated?The Castrol Index tracks every move on the field and assesses whether it has a positive or negative impact on a team's ability to score or concede a goal.A key factor for all areas of performance in the Castrol Index is in which zone on the pitch the action takes place. Players receive points for each successful pass they complete, but the number of points awarded depends on which zones the ball is passed from and received in. Similarly, misplaced or intercepted passes are penalized depending on how much trouble the mistake is likely to land the team in.The Castrol Index is also able to split up the rewards of a goal between penalizing the goalkeeper for letting in a shot he should have saved and rewarding the attacker for scoring a goal. The number of Castrol Index points awarded for tackles, interceptions and blocked shots also depends on which zone they are made. Successfully taking the ball from a striker near the penalty spot will earn more points than a tackle out on the wing. Conceding free kicks and penalties will result in deductions.Where does the data come from that powers the Castrol Index?Castrol uses the latest technology, working with U.S. Soccer and OPTA to log an average of 1,800 player movements per match. Castrol's team of performance analysts then crunch all the data and award each player a Castrol Index score - the higher the score the better the player's performance.What U.S. Soccer matches will be covered and how will the players be rated?Every U.S. MNT Friendly and FIFA World Cup™ qualifier will be analyzed in 2013. In each match, every on-the-ball action in the match is assessed to create ratings for all players. The ratings are combined to evaluate the average level at which the player is performing and to provide the total aggregate contribution from each player to the FIFA World Cup™ qualifying campaign.Is the opposing team or location of the match a factor when calculating the Index?Yes. Castrol performance analysts will take into account the location of the match and quality of the opponent when calculating the Castrol Index. A good performance against a strong team is rewarded more highly than an equivalent performance against a weaker team and is rewarded especially highly if the match is on the road.How often will the Castrol Index be updated?The Castrol Index will be update after each U.S. MNT friendly and FIFA World Cup™ qualifying match in 2013. Updates can be found at www.ussoccer.com/castrol.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
The Castrol Index will be update after each U.S. MNT friendly and FIFA World Cup™ qualifying match in 2013. Updates can be found at www.ussoccer.com/castrol.
Seems silly to announce this before you have live rankings.
I think they signed the deal with Castrol and are just letting everyone know that the system will be used starting tonight as some advertisement. Castrol was used in MLS last year. It was fun to look it but since the data they prioritize is obviously subjective, it can lead to some strange results as in my opinion it is too severely skewed towards forwards but if you group positions and then rank, it makes it easier to look at for comparison sake.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Current State of US Center backsTop 4 Choices in Europe1) Geoff Cameron(age 27) - Getting plenty of playing time at a decent EPL club but very little playing time at CB. He been playing primarily right and left back2) Carlos Bocanegra(age 33) - When not battling some small injuries, he has been a first choice starter for a very poor club. Racing Santander is dead last in the Spanish second division3) Clearence Goodson(age 30) - Has lost his spot at the worst team in the Danish first division.4) Gooch(age 30) Not playing (at least league games) at a very good club at Malaga=============================================Because of this mess, watching the hopeful pairing of Besler and Gonzalez tonight is going to be interesting.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Current State of US Center backs
Is it fair to say this is the weakest spot on the roster?
Yes, I think so. Left back has finally been supplanted after 20 or so years of giving the US headaches. :) . This could change in a blink of eye though with Gonzo and Besler. We just don't have any feel for how he or Besler will do at the next level. If they take to the international game the way Cameron did last year the US would be ok here for a few years. (Cameron is 27, Besler is 25 and Gonzo is 24)
 
Current State of US Center backsTop 4 Choices in Europe1) Geoff Cameron(age 27) - Getting plenty of playing time at a decent EPL club but very little playing time at CB. He been playing primarily right and left back2) Carlos Bocanegra(age 33) - When not battling some small injuries, he has been a first choice starter for a very poor club. Racing Santander is dead last in the Spanish second division3) Clearence Goodson(age 30) - Has lost his spot at the worst team in the Danish first division.4) Gooch(age 39) Not playing (at least league games) at a very good club at Malaga=============================================Because of this mess, watching the hopeful pairing of Besler and Gonzalez tonight is going to be interesting.
Ugh. Was wondering what's been going on for Boca and Goodson. Not good.Oh- Gooch can't be 39, can he? I thought he was part of that youth team with LD, so he'd be 30ish?
 
Current State of US Center backsTop 4 Choices in Europe1) Geoff Cameron(age 27) - Getting plenty of playing time at a decent EPL club but very little playing time at CB. He been playing primarily right and left back2) Carlos Bocanegra(age 33) - When not battling some small injuries, he has been a first choice starter for a very poor club. Racing Santander is dead last in the Spanish second division3) Clearence Goodson(age 30) - Has lost his spot at the worst team in the Danish first division.4) Gooch(age 39) Not playing (at least league games) at a very good club at Malaga=============================================Because of this mess, watching the hopeful pairing of Besler and Gonzalez tonight is going to be interesting.
Ugh. Was wondering what's been going on for Boca and Goodson. Not good.Oh- Gooch can't be 39, can he? I thought he was part of that youth team with LD, so he'd be 30ish?
typo. he is 30. I will fix in previous post
 
Current State of US Center backs
Is it fair to say this is the weakest spot on the roster?
Probably, at least on paper. You could probably take issue with the performance of our strikers in actual game play. Or, if you think wide attacking players are important, the US is definitely short on established wingers (I'm not sure that really matters). But much of that comes down to timing and not seeing guys in the national team much. There's no real reason to think that Boca is going to slip below the level to be able to start if need be. And Gonzalez was a better CB "prospect" than Cameron. It would be nice if Cameron played CB for Stoke, but he seems to understand what JK needs of him in the position. I'm not in love with Goodson, but I doubt he's suddenly become much worse. He's probably the same player he's always been, a guy who contributed to US teams before. And there are guys in the pipeline. John Anthony Brooks has apparently been very good in the 2 Bundesliga this year. Seb Hines would like to play for us and he's been good in the Championship from what I understand. Andrew Farrell is highly regarded and will play as a CB in MLS. And Besler likely could have gone to Europe. Even Tim Ream seems to have found his feet to some extent at Bolton. It could be a weakness, or Gonzo and Cameron could lock the spots down for 5 years.
 
Good god. Patrick Ianni, Seattle's projected starting defender, looks to possibly have seriously injured his ankle/foot.He injured it by doing a jump test of all things.Good old Sigi :) “That's a first. That's a history maker,” Schmid said about the nature of Ianni’s injury. “I don't know how anybody injures himself on the jump test, but he did. Landed funny, I guess. So we've just got to wait and see what the MRI says."

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Current State of US Center backs
Is it fair to say this is the weakest spot on the roster?
Probably, at least on paper. You could probably take issue with the performance of our strikers in actual game play. Or, if you think wide attacking players are important, the US is definitely short on established wingers (I'm not sure that really matters). But much of that comes down to timing and not seeing guys in the national team much. There's no real reason to think that Boca is going to slip below the level to be able to start if need be. And Gonzalez was a better CB "prospect" than Cameron. It would be nice if Cameron played CB for Stoke, but he seems to understand what JK needs of him in the position. I'm not in love with Goodson, but I doubt he's suddenly become much worse. He's probably the same player he's always been, a guy who contributed to US teams before.
The concern with Boca and Goodson is not their skill level but perhaps more their age. I think it there is real reason to be concerned that Boca is going to start diminishing in overall play fairly soon. He will be 34 in May. While his game was never based on athleticism, I still think this is a valid concern.Goodson, on the other hand, really benefited from being an extremely good athlete. If he can't even start for the worst team in the Danish league, with out seeing him play, I do have to wonder if his age is starting to affect his play even though he is not old per say for a CB.
 
'NewlyRetired said:
Current State of US Center backsTop 4 Choices in Europe1) Geoff Cameron(age 27) - Getting plenty of playing time at a decent EPL club but very little playing time at CB. He been playing primarily right and left back2) Carlos Bocanegra(age 33) - When not battling some small injuries, he has been a first choice starter for a very poor club. Racing Santander is dead last in the Spanish second division3) Clearence Goodson(age 30) - Has lost his spot at the worst team in the Danish first division.4) Gooch(age 30) Not playing (at least league games) at a very good club at Malaga=============================================Because of this mess, watching the hopeful pairing of Besler and Gonzalez tonight is going to be interesting.
Is Gooch a significant upgrade over Parkhurst at this point? Just wondering what you think.Also, funny how a year changes things....if you'd posted this a year ago, Tim Ream might be at the top of that list.
 
Cameron's skill set also appears to give the US a formation option that they have rarely employed. Cameron has the skill set to be a natural sweeper, which would allow the US to experiment with a 3-5-2, allowing their two most mobile players (Fab and Chandler) to be be unleashed up and down the wings.Of course a formation like this would probably need both Gonzo and Besler to make the leap to the next level.

 
'NewlyRetired said:
Current State of US Center backsTop 4 Choices in Europe1) Geoff Cameron(age 27) - Getting plenty of playing time at a decent EPL club but very little playing time at CB. He been playing primarily right and left back2) Carlos Bocanegra(age 33) - When not battling some small injuries, he has been a first choice starter for a very poor club. Racing Santander is dead last in the Spanish second division3) Clearence Goodson(age 30) - Has lost his spot at the worst team in the Danish first division.4) Gooch(age 30) Not playing (at least league games) at a very good club at Malaga=============================================Because of this mess, watching the hopeful pairing of Besler and Gonzalez tonight is going to be interesting.
Is Gooch a significant upgrade over Parkhurst at this point? Just wondering what you think.Also, funny how a year changes things....if you'd posted this a year ago, Tim Ream might be at the top of that list.
I did not list Parkhurst because he has not played CB in years. I believe he was almost exclusively a wing back in Denmark. He did play CB for the Revs though so he does have the skills.Hopefully he can find some playing time in Germany.
 
@BrianSciaretta: Sources have told me that Nurnberg RB Timothy Chandler has accepted a call up for the #USMNT World Cup qualifier on February 6 vs Honduras

 
7 of the 8 Quarterfinalists are set now for the African Cup of Nations. South Africa vs MaliIvory Coast vs Nigeria (this should be fun) Ghana vs Cape VerdeBurkino Faso vs (Togo or Tunisia)

 
It took two late PKs for Nigeria to advance. After 78 minutes, Nigeria would have been eliminated due to more cards than Zambia. Victor Moses won and took the first penalty. Then the Nigerian keeper made a great save to keep the lead. Nigeria got a breakaway on the counter and Moses was taken down again, this time by the Ethiopian keeper who was sent off. After a 5 minute delay for one of the Ethiopian outfield players to find a keeper's shirt, Moses got his second.The rest of the game was pretty poor. Nigeria is going to have to turn it up a couple notches to stay on the field against CIV.

 
:(Awful scenes in Holland. AZ vs Den Bosch cup game was suspended due to racism chants against Jozy and bottles being thrown. AZ was up 4-0 at time with Jozy having drawn and converted a pk.

 
:(Awful scenes in Holland. AZ vs Den Bosch cup game was suspended due to racism chants against Jozy and bottles being thrown. AZ was up 4-0 at time with Jozy having drawn and converted a pk.
Game is back on as it appears Jozy wanted to keep playing. This is by far the worst aspect of European soccer.
 
:(Awful scenes in Holland. AZ vs Den Bosch cup game was suspended due to racism chants against Jozy and bottles being thrown. AZ was up 4-0 at time with Jozy having drawn and converted a pk.
Game is back on as it appears Jozy wanted to keep playing. This is by far the worst aspect of European soccer.
####.I know the racist dutch have had issues with muslim immigrants, but I always thought of holland as being a more open towards black people in general. I dont think of this kind of thing happening there.
 
'NewlyRetired said:
Current State of US Center backsTop 4 Choices in Europe1) Geoff Cameron(age 27) - Getting plenty of playing time at a decent EPL club but very little playing time at CB. He been playing primarily right and left back2) Carlos Bocanegra(age 33) - When not battling some small injuries, he has been a first choice starter for a very poor club. Racing Santander is dead last in the Spanish second division3) Clearence Goodson(age 30) - Has lost his spot at the worst team in the Danish first division.4) Gooch(age 30) Not playing (at least league games) at a very good club at Malaga=============================================Because of this mess, watching the hopeful pairing of Besler and Gonzalez tonight is going to be interesting.
Is Gooch a significant upgrade over Parkhurst at this point? Just wondering what you think.Also, funny how a year changes things....if you'd posted this a year ago, Tim Ream might be at the top of that list.
I did not list Parkhurst because he has not played CB in years. I believe he was almost exclusively a wing back in Denmark. He did play CB for the Revs though so he does have the skills.Hopefully he can find some playing time in Germany.
And good point bringing up Ream, Steve. Team aside, I still think the Championship is the flat out wrong league for him. Hopefully hes learning something, anything riding pine in a lower division..come home to NY timmah!
 
And good point bringing up Ream, Steve. Team aside, I still think the Championship is the flat out wrong league for him. Hopefully hes learning something, anything riding pine in a lower division..come home to NY timmah!
Ream has started and gone the distance in Bolton's last five league games and also started in the FA Cup tie against Everton last weekend. Lion of Vienna (kind of THE Bolton blog) has recently described Ream as the "cornerstone of the new and improved Bolton defense."Adjusting to the drop might have been good for Ream. I think some of the analysis of Ream in the Championship is kind of lazy anyway. When I watch Championship teams in the F.A. cup, I don't see a lot of Route 1 football. So I'm not sure that he was just being out muscled. But in any case, it's good for players to fight through rough patches and have to earn a spot again. It shows some spunk.
 
:(Awful scenes in Holland. AZ vs Den Bosch cup game was suspended due to racism chants against Jozy and bottles being thrown. AZ was up 4-0 at time with Jozy having drawn and converted a pk.
Game is back on as it appears Jozy wanted to keep playing. This is by far the worst aspect of European soccer.
####.I know the racist dutch have had issues with muslim immigrants, but I always thought of holland as being a more open towards black people in general. I dont think of this kind of thing happening there.
DMB had problems in Holland as well back in the dayhttp://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=366433&cc=5901
 
Didnt know or remember that. Ugh.:(Awful scenes in Holland. AZ vs Den Bosch cup game was suspended due to racism chants against Jozy and bottles being thrown. AZ was up 4-0 at time with Jozy having drawn and converted a pk.
Game is back on as it appears Jozy wanted to keep playing. This is by far the worst aspect of European soccer.
####.I know the racist dutch have had issues with muslim immigrants, but I always thought of holland as being a more open towards black people in general. I dont think of this kind of thing happening there.
DMB had problems in Holland as well back in the dayhttp://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=366433&cc=5901
 
And good point bringing up Ream, Steve. Team aside, I still think the Championship is the flat out wrong league for him. Hopefully hes learning something, anything riding pine in a lower division..come home to NY timmah!
Ream has started and gone the distance in Bolton's last five league games and also started in the FA Cup tie against Everton last weekend. Lion of Vienna (kind of THE Bolton blog) has recently described Ream as the "cornerstone of the new and improved Bolton defense."Adjusting to the drop might have been good for Ream. I think some of the analysis of Ream in the Championship is kind of lazy anyway. When I watch Championship teams in the F.A. cup, I don't see a lot of Route 1 football. So I'm not sure that he was just being out muscled. But in any case, it's good for players to fight through rough patches and have to earn a spot again. It shows some spunk.
Ill admit, my knowledge of the league is outdated. What I know of the last few years are the goals they sho on Skysports, and those seem to be mostly direct or dead ball types... exactly the kind of the thing ream struggled with in NY along with the increased ratio of reliance on physical play at that position vs foot skills and vision.Its great to hear hes back in the starting 11 and doing well.
 
Fascinating. I was wondering why ESPN2 was showing the Mexico friendlyGrant Wahl (@GrantWahl)1/29/13, 7:56 PMHere's the lowdown: ESPN has acquired English-language rights from Univision to show Mexican home WCQs and all friendlies thru WC2014.

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top