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Plus, didn't like 58 of that 60mil from Falcao go to his 3rd party ownership people and past teams?
Seems to be the case. Word is being in the CL was very important to him.
I thought the same - seems like tactics. But it is silly season and he's a fantastic player.
Benteke is a good player, sure, but IMO Lukaku has game-changer potential. Chelsea should just sell him to Arsenal...A few reports starting that Chelsea are looking to target Benteke from Aston Villa.
Lukaku> wait
I wonder if will still get the 11 million euros in wages he would have at Barcelona.
Oh they've been spending plenty, but the ROI they've been getting on their expenditures has been brutal. I don't even want to look up what they paid for Ibra, and then what they sold Ibra for.
Lukaku looks like another Droba in the making to me. They'd be fools to let him go.Benteke is a good player, sure, but IMO Lukaku has game-changer potential. Chelsea should just sell him to Arsenal...A few reports starting that Chelsea are looking to target Benteke from Aston Villa.
Lukaku> wait
Arsenal's taken them for a ride, the ONLY exception being Cesc who was bought for what is probably fair money. Alex Song for 15M?
THAT would be a hell of a fit for him.
"oldunsure" in between colons =THAT would be a hell of a fit for him.
Hope it doesn't happen
what a stupid looking smiley
Levy haggling over stupid #### like this is what cost Spurs Juininho last year, and that might have been the difference between CL and Europa League for them.
http://www.cartilagefreecaptain.com/2013/7/3/4490596/tottenham-hotspur-valencia-roberto-soldado-transfer-rumorsLevy haggling over stupid #### like this is what cost Spurs Juininho last year, and that might have been the difference between CL and Europa League for them.
GB Levy.
For those still watching this, last night's episode made me cry, I was laughing so hard. Monk might be the most genius sitcom character conceived, all time. Also loved the Facetime conversation with Monk a few episodes back. Comedy gold.
You need to spend at least that much for a good defensive mid these days.Arsenal's taken them for a ride, the ONLY exception being Cesc who was bought for what is probably fair money. Alex Song for 15M?
Some Arsenal fans (OK, me) thought we'd miss Song more than RvP. The lesson, as always, is that I'm an idiot.Good Posting Judge said:You need to spend at least that much for a good defensive mid these days.T Bell said:Arsenal's taken them for a ride, the ONLY exception being Cesc who was bought for what is probably fair money. Alex Song for 15M?Good Posting Judge said:
17 million Euro for Alex Hleb too. 19 appearances for Barca....approx. 895,000 Euro per appearance. He was a stud for Arsenal for the year or two before that move, too. Barca is the place where Arsenal players go to die.Good Posting Judge said:You need to spend at least that much for a good defensive mid these days.T Bell said:Arsenal's taken them for a ride, the ONLY exception being Cesc who was bought for what is probably fair money. Alex Song for 15M?Good Posting Judge said:
Henry did pretty well..17 million Euro for Alex Hleb too. 19 appearances for Barca....approx. 895,000 Euro per appearance. He was a stud for Arsenal for the year or two before that move, too. Barca is the place where Arsenal players go to die."Good said:You need to spend at least that much for a good defensive mid these days.T Bell said:Arsenal's taken them for a ride, the ONLY exception being Cesc who was bought for what is probably fair money. Alex Song for 15M?"Good said:
He only scored 35 goals in 80 league games over three seasons, and all that for a guy they paid over 20M for.Henry did pretty well..17 million Euro for Alex Hleb too. 19 appearances for Barca....approx. 895,000 Euro per appearance. He was a stud for Arsenal for the year or two before that move, too. Barca is the place where Arsenal players go to die."Good said:You need to spend at least that much for a good defensive mid these days.T Bell said:Arsenal's taken them for a ride, the ONLY exception being Cesc who was bought for what is probably fair money. Alex Song for 15M?
Barcelona has spent 430 million net euros in the transfer business over the last decade. That is about 180 million less than Real Madrid, incidently. That is an outrageous amount of money, but it is hard to argue with the silverware.He only scored 35 goals in 80 league games over three seasons, and all that for a guy they paid over 20M for. Another one in the long line was Emmanuel Petit in 2001 for 7M. Like Song, he was a DM who was moved back to play CB and he was pretty ineffective there and not worth the money, though they recouped it in their transfer to Chelsea the following year.Henry did pretty well..17 million Euro for Alex Hleb too. 19 appearances for Barca....approx. 895,000 Euro per appearance. He was a stud for Arsenal for the year or two before that move, too. Barca is the place where Arsenal players go to die.You need to spend at least that much for a good defensive mid these days.T Bell said:Arsenal's taken them for a ride, the ONLY exception being Cesc who was bought for what is probably fair money. Alex Song for 15M?
This interview with Petit, although bizarrely done, is pretty interesting for what it says about how Barca handles players. Barca would seem to be a meat grinder for transfer talent.
For the last decade they're net spenders of something like 10M... on players. They've bought a stadium of course, and funded it in no small part with transfer fees.
I'm trying to remember where I read it, but there was a decent piece comparing the four CL semifinalists. Real, Barca, Bayern, and Dortmund based on transfer expenses and value per dollar (including sell on fees).Barcelona has spent 430 million net euros in the transfer business over the last decade. That is about 180 million less than Real Madrid, incidently. That is an outrageous amount of money, but it is hard to argue with the silverware.He only scored 35 goals in 80 league games over three seasons, and all that for a guy they paid over 20M for. Another one in the long line was Emmanuel Petit in 2001 for 7M. Like Song, he was a DM who was moved back to play CB and he was pretty ineffective there and not worth the money, though they recouped it in their transfer to Chelsea the following year.Henry did pretty well..17 million Euro for Alex Hleb too. 19 appearances for Barca....approx. 895,000 Euro per appearance. He was a stud for Arsenal for the year or two before that move, too. Barca is the place where Arsenal players go to die.You need to spend at least that much for a good defensive mid these days.T Bell said:Arsenal's taken them for a ride, the ONLY exception being Cesc who was bought for what is probably fair money. Alex Song for 15M?
This interview with Petit, although bizarrely done, is pretty interesting for what it says about how Barca handles players. Barca would seem to be a meat grinder for transfer talent.
It would be interesting to see what other successful clubs in England, Germany, and Italy look like over that time frame.
It's Spain. There's only really two teams with much of a shot to win anything so I'm going to save my applause for Barca's and RM's hardware.Barcelona has spent 430 million net euros in the transfer business over the last decade. That is about 180 million less than Real Madrid, incidently. That is an outrageous amount of money, but it is hard to argue with the silverware.He only scored 35 goals in 80 league games over three seasons, and all that for a guy they paid over 20M for. Another one in the long line was Emmanuel Petit in 2001 for 7M. Like Song, he was a DM who was moved back to play CB and he was pretty ineffective there and not worth the money, though they recouped it in their transfer to Chelsea the following year.Henry did pretty well..17 million Euro for Alex Hleb too. 19 appearances for Barca....approx. 895,000 Euro per appearance. He was a stud for Arsenal for the year or two before that move, too. Barca is the place where Arsenal players go to die.You need to spend at least that much for a good defensive mid these days.T Bell said:Arsenal's taken them for a ride, the ONLY exception being Cesc who was bought for what is probably fair money. Alex Song for 15M?
This interview with Petit, although bizarrely done, is pretty interesting for what it says about how Barca handles players. Barca would seem to be a meat grinder for transfer talent.
It would be interesting to see what other successful clubs in England, Germany, and Italy look like over that time frame.
Not just winning titles in Spain...It's Spain. There's only really two teams with much of a shot to win anything so I'm going to save my applause for Barca's and RM's hardware.Barcelona has spent 430 million net euros in the transfer business over the last decade. That is about 180 million less than Real Madrid, incidently. That is an outrageous amount of money, but it is hard to argue with the silverware.He only scored 35 goals in 80 league games over three seasons, and all that for a guy they paid over 20M for. Another one in the long line was Emmanuel Petit in 2001 for 7M. Like Song, he was a DM who was moved back to play CB and he was pretty ineffective there and not worth the money, though they recouped it in their transfer to Chelsea the following year.Henry did pretty well..17 million Euro for Alex Hleb too. 19 appearances for Barca....approx. 895,000 Euro per appearance. He was a stud for Arsenal for the year or two before that move, too. Barca is the place where Arsenal players go to die.You need to spend at least that much for a good defensive mid these days.T Bell said:Arsenal's taken them for a ride, the ONLY exception being Cesc who was bought for what is probably fair money. Alex Song for 15M?
This interview with Petit, although bizarrely done, is pretty interesting for what it says about how Barca handles players. Barca would seem to be a meat grinder for transfer talent.
It would be interesting to see what other successful clubs in England, Germany, and Italy look like over that time frame.
I'm sure Arsenal fans view this reality as a source of pain rather than pride. Consistently profitable, very high ticket prices, but no trophies. Meanwhile, the invincibles season is now 10 years in the past. Man United earns far more than any other EPL club but it's debt service and management fees from the IPO are crushing. Something like £80mil per year.
Yeah, I don't think any sports fan can really take much solace in the fact that their favorite team is a well-run business. Arsenal has managed to get the kit and sponsorship deals to put them on very good footing. And they're already at the very top in game day revenue. So there's really very little excuse now.
The Suarez offer was obviously just a ploy to spark the Higuain talks. I didn't take it as serious, at all. Why would Liverpool, who are desperately trying to reach the Top 4, sell their best player to a team that is in direct competition for one of those spots? It reeked of BS.
Well, then it was a singularly ineffective ploy. All it did was establish that 30 million pounds is insufficient market value for Suarez (and by extension making it seem more appropriate for a player of Higuain's stature). Even with a fake ploy, why not a late ploy for Gomez (knowing full well that he'd likely turn them down) at a price below Higuian's? It didn't make sense as leverage for Higuain. And while I don't necessarily believe Perez, Arsenal apparently hasn't even made a bid for Higuain yet.
If you believe Perez, which I don't.
Looking for a sleeper team in this area, how about Shakhtar Donetsk? Look at there moves this calendar year alone:
This is why I feel they did it. Nothing other than "Hey Real, we'll bid on your guy if you want to hold firm on Higuian" and if the bid also unsettles Suarez..win/win
I think it's clear that the model is that there are buying teams and selling teams. Top teams in smaller leagues, like Porto, Shaktar, and Ajax have had to embrace this model for years. Ajax, in particular with its home grown players. Even if Chelsea were to buy Sheffield United Legend in Fifa13, Wellington Nem, they'd have to loan him out anyway. So the smaller leagues are the perfect place to develop them.
This was a good call.
A slightly different way to look at it for me is that some clubs have to view player transactions as a source of revenue, while I think most top clubs don't, or shouldn't. Arsenal's brand value is massive. Brand new stadium, huge potential for sponsorship revenue, massive new TV deal, yet to most outsiders they still seem focused on taking profits from player transfers. 17 straight years or whatever it is in the CL is extremely impressive, but I think gunner fans want trophies, doubles, etc. not topwhatever finishes. Almost all their player sales and purchases, viewed individually, seem to make sense. But the overall program could be be frustrating from a fan's perspective I'd think.
Yes. I think that's exactly right. I'd argue that if a big club is doing its job, it will lose money on transfers. Because it should be buying top players at the peak of their careers, and selling them past the peak of their careers (after the club has received the benefit of their best football).
