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El Floppo
Footballguy
so he made the call against the attacking player?Here's the situation. U16 youth game (rec)
[SIZE=10pt]Thru ball played into just inside the 18. Keeper comes out late, attacker narrowly beats him to ball and puts into net, Keeper's momentum carries him into attacker. They go down in a heap with keeper on top.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Call was no goal[/SIZE]. Among other really bad calls, I had to talk with the ref afterwards. His explanation was No Goal because "the keeper could have still made the save" even though the ball was past him once the attacker won the ball and although the attacker "won the ball" it was a "late challenge".
I just wanted to make sure his explanations were as contradictory (oxymoromic?) as I thought they were.
if so- that's the call. if not, I'm still
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
More like Fart of Midlothian...right?
Native
Footballguy
Lots of players missing from this game - Rooney, Falcao, Costa, Azpilicueta, etc. Neither team looking particularly dangerous. All attacks for Chelsea going through Hazard on the the left. Havent seen much of Filipe Luis this year but he has been class over the last week. Very savvy with his passes.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Fair result, I think. Both teams played pretty well, although it's tough to stand up to the quality on display in the Clasico yesterday. Shame for Ivanovic, who was immense, but I can't really fault any of Dowd's decisions too much.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
That's a good result for United I think. Should be a small confidence builder. Chelsea, they only have City to worry about so while they are probably irritated at giving up the late goal it won't mean much really.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Chelsea was by far the better team, and I hate Chelsea. united didn't do enough to deserve a point. They conceded the entire middle of the pitch as Chelsea pushed them so wide that they were impotent. ADM needs to cut in from the flank, bu there was no one making runs off him into the space at the top of the box. Just poor play from an overmatched United. Chelsea took their foot off the gas and thought that united was so poor that they could win 1-0 without breaking a sweat. Too bad they didn't get the message that Dowd was card happy and they were playing with fire.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
The EPL is as competitive as the Bundesliga now. Don't give me any of this "top to bottom" BS. English teams not named Chelsea are sucking in Europe and they are all getting Mou's sloppy seconds domestically.
There are 5 teams in la liga within 2 points of each other at the top of the table:
1 - Barcelona, 22 points, +20 GD
2 - Sevilla, 22 points +8 GD
3 - Real Madrid, 21 points, +23 GD
4 - Valencia, 20 points, +12 GD
5 - Atlético de Madrid, 20 points, +8 GD
Sure, Barça and RM are throwing up huge scores, but that's not the only way to win a title, as last year proved. Valencia is the team to look at for as they don't have any European commitments and a young, talented squad with a quality coach.
There are 5 teams in la liga within 2 points of each other at the top of the table:
1 - Barcelona, 22 points, +20 GD
2 - Sevilla, 22 points +8 GD
3 - Real Madrid, 21 points, +23 GD
4 - Valencia, 20 points, +12 GD
5 - Atlético de Madrid, 20 points, +8 GD
Sure, Barça and RM are throwing up huge scores, but that's not the only way to win a title, as last year proved. Valencia is the team to look at for as they don't have any European commitments and a young, talented squad with a quality coach.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Very good win for Swansea to get off the schneid. The Sigurdsson/Bony combo is gelling quite nicely and I look for big things from them the rest of the season. The next four matches will be a real test, although neither Liverpool nor Everton look like world-beaters at the moment.
And not that it matters much at this point, but 14 points through the first 9 matches is Swansea's best Premier League start since they came back up in 2011-12.
And not that it matters much at this point, but 14 points through the first 9 matches is Swansea's best Premier League start since they came back up in 2011-12.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I'm surprised we don't see more of this. Or maybe we do and wiki does a good job of editing it out right away.
Being coached[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]From an early age, Fraser attended Aberdeen F.C. Community Training Programmes. Weekly sessions were held locally in Stonehaven. He also attended Easter, summer and autumn programmes in Aberdeen, in both general football and goalkeeping. During this time, Fraser had come across Colin Cockle and showed interest in attending his specialised goalkeeper sessions. He began to attend the Colin Cockle Goalkeeping Academy,[6] which included an Elite Training Programme, and continued weekly sessions until Fraser's team commitments took over. Fraser didn't attend Colin's Academy for a further eight months, but started to attend sessions regularly again once his season was over. Fraser now helps give back into the Academy what he gained from it by helping out during sessions on a Monday night.[7]
I'm surprised we don't see more of this. Or maybe we do and wiki does a good job of editing it out right away.
Jaysus
Good times!
I assumed he was implying that someone other than Real, Barca, or maybe Atleti has an actual shot at winning the league this year.The Z Machine said:
The favorite just drops points to a struggling team and "now" it's not competitive? You Spanished people really are obsessed with this
I assumed he was implying that someone other than Real, Barca, or maybe Atleti has an actual shot at winning the league this year.The Z Machine said:
The favorite just drops points to a struggling team and "now" it's not competitive? You Spanished people really are obsessed with this
Lets wait until at least January before we go predicting crazy stuff. I will be shocked if anyone other than Barca or RM win la Liga. I suspect Z is already lining up reasons why Atletico won't make Champions League next year, but I don't see any other team overtaking the top-2 over the course of this season.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
My point was that you EPLers cite the duopoly of RM and Barça to be a reason that la liga isn't a quality league, yet Chelsea are running roughshod over England (and Wales) yet, "it's the best league in the world." Rubbish.
United isn't struggling as much as playing exactly how a team of the caliber should be playing against a quality opponent.
United isn't struggling as much as playing exactly how a team of the caliber should be playing against a quality opponent.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Man, reading you EPL vs. La Liga people argue is like watching my parents divorce all over again. 
I think a lot of people like la liga - maybe not to the extent that you do. But most on here recognize that Atletico has a quality squad, and deserved its trophy last season. Most recognize that Barca and RM are both currently among the very best teams in the world (that money can buy). I would guess that you would find most people in this thread to agree that the next tier of teams in La Liga, are pretty decent squads, even if they cannot compete with Barca and RM over the course of a season.
Since 2004/5 season, both RM and Barcelona have finished in the top-3 every season. That is a top-heavy league. At the same time, I think most would agree that EPL has been dominated by Chelsea, ManUtd, ManCity, Arsenal and Liverpool over that same time period - and nobody has really threatened their collective existence at the top of the table. Its still an exclusive club at the top - but it is a little bit bigger than in La Liga.
There are no signs that either league is going to change any time soon - the sport rewards the rich, and makes it very difficult to get into that group. EPL is blessed with more "rich" teams than La Liga, and that is unlikely to change any time soon.
At least its not Bundesliga, which is Bayern and the 19 dwarves, or Seria A or Ligue 1, who nobody really cares about.
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Quite funny to watch the reactions to you giving them a taste of their own medicine
The Gator
Footballguy
Quite funny to watch the reactions to you giving them a taste of their own medicine
You people bring it up more than anyone else. I enjoy both leagues, some of you need to get over your inferiority complex.
This is bull#### and you've been one of the worst ones at this. The same lazy memes are posted anytime people even mention another league besides the EPL in here. I'd say the ones with an inferiority complex are the ones that can't help themselves from putting down other leagues and teams constantly.Quite funny to watch the reactions to you giving them a taste of their own medicine
You people bring it up more than anyone else. I enjoy both leagues, some of you need to get over your inferiority complex.
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The Gator
Footballguy
You're talking about Z here, right?This is bull#### and you've been one of the worst ones at this. The same lazy memes are posted anytime people even mention another league besides the EPL in here. I'd say the ones with an inferiority complex are the ones that can't help themselves from putting down other leagues and teams constantly.Quite funny to watch the reactions to you giving them a taste of their own medicine
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
United has had significant injury issues, probably as much or more than Arsenal, and is still adjusting to a new manager. They spent a ton, but It does appear they bought wisely for the most part. The jury is still out on Falcao I suppose. It seems to me they are playing better week to week, and will certainly be in the mix for top 4. Arsenal and Liverpool are the early disappointments imo, but both could still come around. The EPL season is still very early, barely a quarter in - way too early to call a runaway for Chelsea.
You're talking about Z here, right?This is bull#### and you've been one of the worst ones at this. The same lazy memes are posted anytime people even mention another league besides the EPL in here. I'd say the ones with an inferiority complex are the ones that can't help themselves from putting down other leagues and teams constantly.Quite funny to watch the reactions to you giving them a taste of their own medicine
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I think some very weird things would have to happen in order for Chelsea to lose this lead. Many of the worst case scenarios (extended injuries for Costa and Cesc) pretty much just make Chelsea "only" as good as they were last year. And I think you'd have to look pretty hard to find a Mourinho team with the type of prolonged run of bad results that would let most of the teams back in.
Most importantly, Chelsea have, by far, the best defense of the contenders. If Chelsea has a a bad day in front of goal, they're infinitely more likely to salvage a point (or even points) out of it than City, much less Arsenal, United, or Liverpool. No other teams have an experienced, rock-solid CB tandem like Terry/Cahill. No other teams have 2! truly world class goaltenders (including one who's in any conversation of the best GK in the world). And only City has the same versatility at fullback.
This.
Chelsea is very good this season - it would take a string of things to go wrong for them not to run away with the title this year. It could happen, but it would be very surprising. I think the quality of their depth this season is better than any of the other contenders.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Just trying to stir the pot here, people, and maybe open your eyes to some other quality teams instead of arguing over the performance of Spurs or Stoke.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
The challenge for Chelsea is the same as the challenge for Bayern: how to stay in peak form for Europe when playing teams far below your talent level domestically
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Probably all true, but I would add that CB is a potential Achilles heel as well as #9. Terry has seemingly found the fountain of youth again so far this season, but I doubt he can maintain his current level. Cahill has played the most minutes of any Chelsea player, and gets full minutes in seemingly every England game. Backup CB is unproven 20 year old Kurt Zouma. The FA Cup and CL draw will be important in terms of travel and stress on the team.
Blasphemy
Seriously though, I think, most people will comment on their team, or if they are watching a particular game orif it involves a USMNT player. Not enough people watch la liga to really comment on it beyond the big teams.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
We can still argue about Spurs and Stoke though, right? Or is there some sort of "relevance" test like over in that college football thread? That's pretty gruesome to watch Tasker get ignored all the time, he's a good guy. Likes Faroe, etc.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Agree re: Chelsea. CB may be an issue, but I think you could say that for most teams if they take an injury. For a lot of teams it's an issue already.
Most EPL clubs would kill to have Kurt Zouma.
Most EPL clubs would kill to have Kurt Zouma.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Chelsea can always play Ivanovic at CB and "get by" with Dave and Felipe Luis at the fullbacks. Arsenal is playing Nacho Monreal at CB right now. Their third choice CB in a best case scenario is Calum Chambers, who had never played top flight minutes in the position. City has three quality centerbacks, but they're still gelling and leaking goals while doing so. Liverpool is Liverpool. They were soft at the back last year and have shown no signs of fixing it this year. United is still cobbling together what they need. I assume they'll get another piece in January, but until then, they have to rely on Jones and Evans to be their leaders.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Probably true -- I've only seen him play once, against Maribor last week which wasn't much of a test. I think he played a League Cup game as well. Almost certainly will start tomorrow against Shrewsbury Town. He's definitely got the size and the look of an EPL center back, but very young and inexperienced.
Its true that CB seems to be a tough spot for many teams these days. My feeling is a team needs to go 3 deep with good quality at CB to compete for 3 cups. I know its vogue to joke about David Luiz, but he was an important player that's not been replaced for Chelsea. Good business for sure though at that price.
edit - yes I did see him run around a bit yesterday, I think 3-4 minutes. Naturally, I think Bran would've had Fellaini marked to secure all 3 points.
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
fyi - From the Shrewsbury Town wiki - "Former Manchester United manager David Moyes played for Shrewsbury from 1987 to 1990."
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Still blows me away to see Calum Chambers playing an integral defensive role for one of the "big" clubs. Of course, it also blows me away to see Jose Fonte anchoring a PL defense that's conceded five goals in nine matches.
Also helps to have a player like Luiz who can fit in at other spots if everyone does stay healthy and the calendar stays calm.
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