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Gator/fellow Liverpool fans:

Thoughts on rest of season for Liverpool?

Right now the team is playing great. Sturridge is bringing a new dimension, Sterling seems to be learning the striker position quite well, and Coutinho is playing out of his mind.

I don't know whether guys on Liverpool message boards are always so over-the-top, but it seems that they are all of the consensus that this is a do-or-die season, in terms of getting to the CL, as we can't afford to fall behind Arsenal in revenue another 50M dollars.

I'm still learning the game and the financial aspects, but this team is one of the top ten in the world in revenue and is full of youth. I'd say the future is extremely bright.
Well, many questions, and somewhat complex ones, which opens things up for opinions and interpretations.

Liverpool (and I suspect most teams') message boards are nuts. Most are poorly moderated, or just run over by twelve year olds. You have to pick and choose your battles with those, they can be excellent, but also very frustrating. 0.1% of RAWK is worth reading, if that, but the insight you can gain from reading it is excellent. I find that I don't have the time or patience to keep that up though.

In my opinion, it's not a do or die situation, as I don't think those exist, except for very special circumstances. Our former owners were like that, and they nearly brought the club to the brink of ruin. Many of the fans have lived through that mismanagement, and are itching to get back to former glory. Also 26 years of not lifting the trophy is a very very long time, especially watching those teams up the M62 lifting it 15 times in the process. Sure, there's been Champions League, FA Cup and League Cup titles sprinkled in, but that isn't enough.

I feel FSG has done an excellent job turning our financial struggles around, and their methodology/strategy has been very successful so far (kind of a bastardized moneyball concept), but while all (most) acknowledge that the youth movement and level of play from it has been phenomenal, they are impatient and want the big splashes in the transfer market which the richer clubs can do. Most are not used to Liverpool being in 10th place in the money league, or any league. Only 1st place is good enough, and some fans don't feel the club is taking strides to get there fast enough.

I think it's a case of the club overperforming last year, and people's expectation were raised sky high, while the long term plan from management and the manager, was to finish top 4, get CL football, and repeat that again this year (this has been documented in multiple interviews). The idea is that next season, we will have a team that can push for the title. I don't know if we are quite there yet, but there are very promising signs that we are well on our way. We have a young manager though, and he is still learning, and learning well, but he has had a lot of struggles figuring out how to man manage for a large number of games, setting up the right formations for the squad he has available, and how to find time to tactically prepare for a condensed schedule. A lot of people just see Shanks and Paisley, and anything less isn't good enough. I feel BR will be a very good manager for us when it's all said and done.

From a financial perspective, CL footy next year comes with a big boost in revenue from TV deal, to the tune of an extra 30M I believe. If looking historically during the premier league era, the biggest spenders on wages are the clubs finishing the highest. There is a direct correlation between wage spend and points in the league (exceptions exist of course), and we want to win, hence we need to close the gap financially with the richer clubs. Getting the stadium expansion finalized (10 years, at least, delayed), new sponsors, but also TV revenue from PL and CL will help a ton in doing it. We don't have an oil baron with unlimited resources available, so we have to close the gap by doing well on the pitch, earning extra revenue and planning for the long term. I think we are 10+ years away from breaking into the top 5, and that is if everything goes great along the way.
Isn't this why people are saying "do or die" about top 4 this year? It's already well established that the longer you're out of the top 4, the harder it is to get back in.

I agree that the "or die" shouldn't be taken literally - Liverpool at its worst won't finish lower than 10th, such is its inherent commercial power and stature, but with the increased CL revenue kicking in the division between the CL "haves" and the non-CL "have nots" will be greater than ever. It's frankly why United are ####ting themselves about Southampton seemingly being a legit challenger for the top 4 as it means they're at risk for missing out for a 2nd year running, which would spell big trouble even for them (they're already having trouble attracting top talent because of the lack of CL).
Yeah, that's true. I guess I view it more long term. Not getting CL footy next year is a big loss financially, one that could take 5 years to dig out from...
Yeah, it is basically like top 4 is a trophy in and of itself.

 
Just saw that Chelsea sold Bertrand to Southhampton for 10M pounds at the signing day buzzer. Didnt realized they cashed in on him and stunned they got so much!

 
Just saw that Chelsea sold Bertrand to Southhampton for 10M pounds at the signing day buzzer. Didnt realized they cashed in on him and stunned they got so much!

 
El Floppo said:
B Maverick said:
On this day, Feb 5th, some of the greatest players in the futbol world were born!

Cristiano Ronaldo

Neymar

Carlos Tevez

Gheorghe Hagi

van Brockhorst

C Maldini

Adnan Januzaj

B Maverick

:headbang: :banned:

What a great day!!
Nice- HB, gb!

and by "gb" I mean Hagi.
Hagi was amazing in the 94 cup!
I loved that Romanian team. They were the first team that taught me how gorgeous countet attacking soccer could. http://youtu.be/9jYEwQyR3tI
Watching that replay... A US hosted world cup would be such a tremendous success. Fífa chould charge $500 / ticket for most matches and they'd fill 90,000+ seats.
 
El Floppo said:
B Maverick said:
On this day, Feb 5th, some of the greatest players in the futbol world were born!

Cristiano Ronaldo

Neymar

Carlos Tevez

Gheorghe Hagi

van Brockhorst

C Maldini

Adnan Januzaj

B Maverick

:headbang: :banned:

What a great day!!
Nice- HB, gb!

and by "gb" I mean Hagi.
Hagi was amazing in the 94 cup!
I loved that Romanian team. They were the first team that taught me how gorgeous countet attacking soccer could. http://youtu.be/9jYEwQyR3tI
Watching that replay... A US hosted world cup would be such a tremendous success. Fífa chould charge $500 / ticket for most matches and they'd fill 90,000+ seats.
It is a frightening thought and probably true.

As we talked about earlier in the thread, the growth of our nation soccer fandom wise is orders of magnitude bigger than back then and even then we packed the stadiums.

Combining the US's love of big events with the now sizable soccer watching/loving audience would be pretty potent for FIFA.

Sadly not as potent as getting a million dollar check in bank from an anonymous Qatari person. :(

 
Gator/fellow Liverpool fans:

Thoughts on rest of season for Liverpool?

Right now the team is playing great. Sturridge is bringing a new dimension, Sterling seems to be learning the striker position quite well, and Coutinho is playing out of his mind.

I don't know whether guys on Liverpool message boards are always so over-the-top, but it seems that they are all of the consensus that this is a do-or-die season, in terms of getting to the CL, as we can't afford to fall behind Arsenal in revenue another 50M dollars.

I'm still learning the game and the financial aspects, but this team is one of the top ten in the world in revenue and is full of youth. I'd say the future is extremely bright.
Well, many questions, and somewhat complex ones, which opens things up for opinions and interpretations.Liverpool (and I suspect most teams') message boards are nuts. Most are poorly moderated, or just run over by twelve year olds. You have to pick and choose your battles with those, they can be excellent, but also very frustrating. 0.1% of RAWK is worth reading, if that, but the insight you can gain from reading it is excellent. I find that I don't have the time or patience to keep that up though.

In my opinion, it's not a do or die situation, as I don't think those exist, except for very special circumstances. Our former owners were like that, and they nearly brought the club to the brink of ruin. Many of the fans have lived through that mismanagement, and are itching to get back to former glory. Also 26 years of not lifting the trophy is a very very long time, especially watching those teams up the M62 lifting it 15 times in the process. Sure, there's been Champions League, FA Cup and League Cup titles sprinkled in, but that isn't enough.

I feel FSG has done an excellent job turning our financial struggles around, and their methodology/strategy has been very successful so far (kind of a bastardized moneyball concept), but while all (most) acknowledge that the youth movement and level of play from it has been phenomenal, they are impatient and want the big splashes in the transfer market which the richer clubs can do. Most are not used to Liverpool being in 10th place in the money league, or any league. Only 1st place is good enough, and some fans don't feel the club is taking strides to get there fast enough.

I think it's a case of the club overperforming last year, and people's expectation were raised sky high, while the long term plan from management and the manager, was to finish top 4, get CL football, and repeat that again this year (this has been documented in multiple interviews). The idea is that next season, we will have a team that can push for the title. I don't know if we are quite there yet, but there are very promising signs that we are well on our way. We have a young manager though, and he is still learning, and learning well, but he has had a lot of struggles figuring out how to man manage for a large number of games, setting up the right formations for the squad he has available, and how to find time to tactically prepare for a condensed schedule. A lot of people just see Shanks and Paisley, and anything less isn't good enough. I feel BR will be a very good manager for us when it's all said and done.

From a financial perspective, CL footy next year comes with a big boost in revenue from TV deal, to the tune of an extra 30M I believe. If looking historically during the premier league era, the biggest spenders on wages are the clubs finishing the highest. There is a direct correlation between wage spend and points in the league (exceptions exist of course), and we want to win, hence we need to close the gap financially with the richer clubs. Getting the stadium expansion finalized (10 years, at least, delayed), new sponsors, but also TV revenue from PL and CL will help a ton in doing it. We don't have an oil baron with unlimited resources available, so we have to close the gap by doing well on the pitch, earning extra revenue and planning for the long term. I think we are 10+ years away from breaking into the top 5, and that is if everything goes great along the way.
Isn't this why people are saying "do or die" about top 4 this year? It's already well established that the longer you're out of the top 4, the harder it is to get back in.

I agree that the "or die" shouldn't be taken literally - Liverpool at its worst won't finish lower than 10th, such is its inherent commercial power and stature, but with the increased CL revenue kicking in the division between the CL "haves" and the non-CL "have nots" will be greater than ever. It's frankly why United are ####ting themselves about Southampton seemingly being a legit challenger for the top 4 as it means they're at risk for missing out for a 2nd year running, which would spell big trouble even for them (they're already having trouble attracting top talent because of the lack of CL).
Yeah, that's true. I guess I view it more long term. Not getting CL footy next year is a big loss financially, one that could take 5 years to dig out from...
Yeah, it is basically like top 4 is a trophy in and of itself.
:lol: Sadly it's a top 3 financially right now, with two oil rich clubs, and the brand of Man U. Liverpool, Tottenham, Arsenal has catching up to do to consistently compete.

I'm not a fan of the Arsenal strategy of late, to consistently take a top 4 spot, without making that final push, but they have put themselves in a spot where they can close the gap. If they can push forward and gain extra attendance revenue, coupled with CL and extra sponsorship money they could make a splash quickly. Others I'm sure are more familiar with the gunners finances, but it seems there are funds available to really make a splash in the transfer market and at least close the gap on the field.

From an outside perspective it seems Arsenal is building the revenue first, then trying to get players to compete, while Pool is trying to compete with a money ball-ish concept and have the revenue increase come out of that.

 
Gator/fellow Liverpool fans:

Thoughts on rest of season for Liverpool?

Right now the team is playing great. Sturridge is bringing a new dimension, Sterling seems to be learning the striker position quite well, and Coutinho is playing out of his mind.

I don't know whether guys on Liverpool message boards are always so over-the-top, but it seems that they are all of the consensus that this is a do-or-die season, in terms of getting to the CL, as we can't afford to fall behind Arsenal in revenue another 50M dollars.

I'm still learning the game and the financial aspects, but this team is one of the top ten in the world in revenue and is full of youth. I'd say the future is extremely bright.
Well, many questions, and somewhat complex ones, which opens things up for opinions and interpretations.Liverpool (and I suspect most teams') message boards are nuts. Most are poorly moderated, or just run over by twelve year olds. You have to pick and choose your battles with those, they can be excellent, but also very frustrating. 0.1% of RAWK is worth reading, if that, but the insight you can gain from reading it is excellent. I find that I don't have the time or patience to keep that up though.

In my opinion, it's not a do or die situation, as I don't think those exist, except for very special circumstances. Our former owners were like that, and they nearly brought the club to the brink of ruin. Many of the fans have lived through that mismanagement, and are itching to get back to former glory. Also 26 years of not lifting the trophy is a very very long time, especially watching those teams up the M62 lifting it 15 times in the process. Sure, there's been Champions League, FA Cup and League Cup titles sprinkled in, but that isn't enough.

I feel FSG has done an excellent job turning our financial struggles around, and their methodology/strategy has been very successful so far (kind of a bastardized moneyball concept), but while all (most) acknowledge that the youth movement and level of play from it has been phenomenal, they are impatient and want the big splashes in the transfer market which the richer clubs can do. Most are not used to Liverpool being in 10th place in the money league, or any league. Only 1st place is good enough, and some fans don't feel the club is taking strides to get there fast enough.

I think it's a case of the club overperforming last year, and people's expectation were raised sky high, while the long term plan from management and the manager, was to finish top 4, get CL football, and repeat that again this year (this has been documented in multiple interviews). The idea is that next season, we will have a team that can push for the title. I don't know if we are quite there yet, but there are very promising signs that we are well on our way. We have a young manager though, and he is still learning, and learning well, but he has had a lot of struggles figuring out how to man manage for a large number of games, setting up the right formations for the squad he has available, and how to find time to tactically prepare for a condensed schedule. A lot of people just see Shanks and Paisley, and anything less isn't good enough. I feel BR will be a very good manager for us when it's all said and done.

From a financial perspective, CL footy next year comes with a big boost in revenue from TV deal, to the tune of an extra 30M I believe. If looking historically during the premier league era, the biggest spenders on wages are the clubs finishing the highest. There is a direct correlation between wage spend and points in the league (exceptions exist of course), and we want to win, hence we need to close the gap financially with the richer clubs. Getting the stadium expansion finalized (10 years, at least, delayed), new sponsors, but also TV revenue from PL and CL will help a ton in doing it. We don't have an oil baron with unlimited resources available, so we have to close the gap by doing well on the pitch, earning extra revenue and planning for the long term. I think we are 10+ years away from breaking into the top 5, and that is if everything goes great along the way.
Isn't this why people are saying "do or die" about top 4 this year? It's already well established that the longer you're out of the top 4, the harder it is to get back in.

I agree that the "or die" shouldn't be taken literally - Liverpool at its worst won't finish lower than 10th, such is its inherent commercial power and stature, but with the increased CL revenue kicking in the division between the CL "haves" and the non-CL "have nots" will be greater than ever. It's frankly why United are ####ting themselves about Southampton seemingly being a legit challenger for the top 4 as it means they're at risk for missing out for a 2nd year running, which would spell big trouble even for them (they're already having trouble attracting top talent because of the lack of CL).
Yeah, that's true. I guess I view it more long term. Not getting CL footy next year is a big loss financially, one that could take 5 years to dig out from...
Yeah, it is basically like top 4 is a trophy in and of itself.
:lol: Sadly it's a top 3 financially right now, with two oil rich clubs, and the brand of Man U. Liverpool, Tottenham, Arsenal has catching up to do to consistently compete.

I'm not a fan of the Arsenal strategy of late, to consistently take a top 4 spot, without making that final push, but they have put themselves in a spot where they can close the gap. If they can push forward and gain extra attendance revenue, coupled with CL and extra sponsorship money they could make a splash quickly. Others I'm sure are more familiar with the gunners finances, but it seems there are funds available to really make a splash in the transfer market and at least close the gap on the field.

From an outside perspective it seems Arsenal is building the revenue first, then trying to get players to compete, while Pool is trying to compete with a money ball-ish concept and have the revenue increase come out of that.
Arsenal's revenue streams haven't changed much and they really haven't closed any gaps in recent years. The table is incredibly static at this point. United had its dip, but that's about it.

Fans can gnash teeth about making a push, but it's a money league and anything that upsets that balance is temporary.

 
Gator/fellow Liverpool fans:

Thoughts on rest of season for Liverpool?

Right now the team is playing great. Sturridge is bringing a new dimension, Sterling seems to be learning the striker position quite well, and Coutinho is playing out of his mind.

I don't know whether guys on Liverpool message boards are always so over-the-top, but it seems that they are all of the consensus that this is a do-or-die season, in terms of getting to the CL, as we can't afford to fall behind Arsenal in revenue another 50M dollars.

I'm still learning the game and the financial aspects, but this team is one of the top ten in the world in revenue and is full of youth. I'd say the future is extremely bright.
Well, many questions, and somewhat complex ones, which opens things up for opinions and interpretations.

Liverpool (and I suspect most teams') message boards are nuts. Most are poorly moderated, or just run over by twelve year olds. You have to pick and choose your battles with those, they can be excellent, but also very frustrating. 0.1% of RAWK is worth reading, if that, but the insight you can gain from reading it is excellent. I find that I don't have the time or patience to keep that up though.

In my opinion, it's not a do or die situation, as I don't think those exist, except for very special circumstances. Our former owners were like that, and they nearly brought the club to the brink of ruin. Many of the fans have lived through that mismanagement, and are itching to get back to former glory. Also 26 years of not lifting the trophy is a very very long time, especially watching those teams up the M62 lifting it 15 times in the process. Sure, there's been Champions League, FA Cup and League Cup titles sprinkled in, but that isn't enough.

I feel FSG has done an excellent job turning our financial struggles around, and their methodology/strategy has been very successful so far (kind of a bastardized moneyball concept), but while all (most) acknowledge that the youth movement and level of play from it has been phenomenal, they are impatient and want the big splashes in the transfer market which the richer clubs can do. Most are not used to Liverpool being in 10th place in the money league, or any league. Only 1st place is good enough, and some fans don't feel the club is taking strides to get there fast enough.

I think it's a case of the club overperforming last year, and people's expectation were raised sky high, while the long term plan from management and the manager, was to finish top 4, get CL football, and repeat that again this year (this has been documented in multiple interviews). The idea is that next season, we will have a team that can push for the title. I don't know if we are quite there yet, but there are very promising signs that we are well on our way. We have a young manager though, and he is still learning, and learning well, but he has had a lot of struggles figuring out how to man manage for a large number of games, setting up the right formations for the squad he has available, and how to find time to tactically prepare for a condensed schedule. A lot of people just see Shanks and Paisley, and anything less isn't good enough. I feel BR will be a very good manager for us when it's all said and done.

From a financial perspective, CL footy next year comes with a big boost in revenue from TV deal, to the tune of an extra 30M I believe. If looking historically during the premier league era, the biggest spenders on wages are the clubs finishing the highest. There is a direct correlation between wage spend and points in the league (exceptions exist of course), and we want to win, hence we need to close the gap financially with the richer clubs. Getting the stadium expansion finalized (10 years, at least, delayed), new sponsors, but also TV revenue from PL and CL will help a ton in doing it. We don't have an oil baron with unlimited resources available, so we have to close the gap by doing well on the pitch, earning extra revenue and planning for the long term. I think we are 10+ years away from breaking into the top 5, and that is if everything goes great along the way.
Isn't this why people are saying "do or die" about top 4 this year? It's already well established that the longer you're out of the top 4, the harder it is to get back in.

I agree that the "or die" shouldn't be taken literally - Liverpool at its worst won't finish lower than 10th, such is its inherent commercial power and stature, but with the increased CL revenue kicking in the division between the CL "haves" and the non-CL "have nots" will be greater than ever. It's frankly why United are ####ting themselves about Southampton seemingly being a legit challenger for the top 4 as it means they're at risk for missing out for a 2nd year running, which would spell big trouble even for them (they're already having trouble attracting top talent because of the lack of CL).
Yeah, that's true. I guess I view it more long term. Not getting CL footy next year is a big loss financially, one that could take 5 years to dig out from...
Yeah, it is basically like top 4 is a trophy in and of itself.
I love Wenger but I hate that ####### quote!

 
Gator/fellow Liverpool fans:

Thoughts on rest of season for Liverpool?

Right now the team is playing great. Sturridge is bringing a new dimension, Sterling seems to be learning the striker position quite well, and Coutinho is playing out of his mind.

I don't know whether guys on Liverpool message boards are always so over-the-top, but it seems that they are all of the consensus that this is a do-or-die season, in terms of getting to the CL, as we can't afford to fall behind Arsenal in revenue another 50M dollars.

I'm still learning the game and the financial aspects, but this team is one of the top ten in the world in revenue and is full of youth. I'd say the future is extremely bright.
Well, many questions, and somewhat complex ones, which opens things up for opinions and interpretations.Liverpool (and I suspect most teams') message boards are nuts. Most are poorly moderated, or just run over by twelve year olds. You have to pick and choose your battles with those, they can be excellent, but also very frustrating. 0.1% of RAWK is worth reading, if that, but the insight you can gain from reading it is excellent. I find that I don't have the time or patience to keep that up though.

In my opinion, it's not a do or die situation, as I don't think those exist, except for very special circumstances. Our former owners were like that, and they nearly brought the club to the brink of ruin. Many of the fans have lived through that mismanagement, and are itching to get back to former glory. Also 26 years of not lifting the trophy is a very very long time, especially watching those teams up the M62 lifting it 15 times in the process. Sure, there's been Champions League, FA Cup and League Cup titles sprinkled in, but that isn't enough.

I feel FSG has done an excellent job turning our financial struggles around, and their methodology/strategy has been very successful so far (kind of a bastardized moneyball concept), but while all (most) acknowledge that the youth movement and level of play from it has been phenomenal, they are impatient and want the big splashes in the transfer market which the richer clubs can do. Most are not used to Liverpool being in 10th place in the money league, or any league. Only 1st place is good enough, and some fans don't feel the club is taking strides to get there fast enough.

I think it's a case of the club overperforming last year, and people's expectation were raised sky high, while the long term plan from management and the manager, was to finish top 4, get CL football, and repeat that again this year (this has been documented in multiple interviews). The idea is that next season, we will have a team that can push for the title. I don't know if we are quite there yet, but there are very promising signs that we are well on our way. We have a young manager though, and he is still learning, and learning well, but he has had a lot of struggles figuring out how to man manage for a large number of games, setting up the right formations for the squad he has available, and how to find time to tactically prepare for a condensed schedule. A lot of people just see Shanks and Paisley, and anything less isn't good enough. I feel BR will be a very good manager for us when it's all said and done.

From a financial perspective, CL footy next year comes with a big boost in revenue from TV deal, to the tune of an extra 30M I believe. If looking historically during the premier league era, the biggest spenders on wages are the clubs finishing the highest. There is a direct correlation between wage spend and points in the league (exceptions exist of course), and we want to win, hence we need to close the gap financially with the richer clubs. Getting the stadium expansion finalized (10 years, at least, delayed), new sponsors, but also TV revenue from PL and CL will help a ton in doing it. We don't have an oil baron with unlimited resources available, so we have to close the gap by doing well on the pitch, earning extra revenue and planning for the long term. I think we are 10+ years away from breaking into the top 5, and that is if everything goes great along the way.
Isn't this why people are saying "do or die" about top 4 this year? It's already well established that the longer you're out of the top 4, the harder it is to get back in.

I agree that the "or die" shouldn't be taken literally - Liverpool at its worst won't finish lower than 10th, such is its inherent commercial power and stature, but with the increased CL revenue kicking in the division between the CL "haves" and the non-CL "have nots" will be greater than ever. It's frankly why United are ####ting themselves about Southampton seemingly being a legit challenger for the top 4 as it means they're at risk for missing out for a 2nd year running, which would spell big trouble even for them (they're already having trouble attracting top talent because of the lack of CL).
Yeah, that's true. I guess I view it more long term. Not getting CL footy next year is a big loss financially, one that could take 5 years to dig out from...
Yeah, it is basically like top 4 is a trophy in and of itself.
:lol: Sadly it's a top 3 financially right now, with two oil rich clubs, and the brand of Man U. Liverpool, Tottenham, Arsenal has catching up to do to consistently compete.

I'm not a fan of the Arsenal strategy of late, to consistently take a top 4 spot, without making that final push, but they have put themselves in a spot where they can close the gap. If they can push forward and gain extra attendance revenue, coupled with CL and extra sponsorship money they could make a splash quickly. Others I'm sure are more familiar with the gunners finances, but it seems there are funds available to really make a splash in the transfer market and at least close the gap on the field.

From an outside perspective it seems Arsenal is building the revenue first, then trying to get players to compete, while Pool is trying to compete with a money ball-ish concept and have the revenue increase come out of that.
:confused:

Arsenal have used a moneyball concept (not by that name of course) throughout Wenger's tenure. They only had to scale it back due to stadium debt and the correspondingly poor long term stadium sponsorship and kit deals they had to strike in order to self-fund the stadium. That debt service meant that they literally had to at least break even if not get a profit in the transfer market in order to stay afloat, and missing out on the 25m+ pounds that the CL brings each year would have spelled disaster for them.

But as of 2013-14 those constraints are off as has been shown by their drastically increased spending (Ozil; Alexis, etc.).

I've seen club officials acknowledge that they're not as far along commercially as they'd like, but consider that United had the perfect accumulation of circumstances as a club in order to get its lead in that category: right at the start of the rich Premier League era, when the league would be marketed worldwide, they enjoyed their greatest era of success with arguably the greatest club manager in world history, and already with a stadium that could both be adapted to an all-seater and expanded to the largest capacity (by far) in the country.

Arsenal (and Liverpool too) is a worldwide brand, but United have almost a 20-year head start on fully exploiting the marketing that the PL offers as a platform. That gap can and will be closed over time, at least partially, and maybe more than partially if Arsenal start winning the league again and United don't return to their winning ways soon.

 
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Arsenal have used a moneyball concept (not by that name of course) throughout Wenger's tenure. They only had to scale it back due to stadium debt and the correspondingly poor long term stadium sponsorship and kit deals they had to strike in order to self-fund the stadium. That debt service meant that they literally had to at least break even if not get a profit in the transfer market in order to stay afloat, and missing out on the 25m+ pounds that the CL brings each year would have spelled disaster for them.

But as of 2013-14 those constraints are off as has been shown by their drastically increased spending (Ozil; Alexis, etc.).

I've seen club officials acknowledge that they're not as far along commercially as they'd like, but consider that United had the perfect accumulation of circumstances as a club in order to get its lead in that category: right at the start of the rich Premier League era, when the league would be marketed worldwide, they enjoyed their greatest era of success with arguably the greatest club manager in world history, and already with a stadium that could both be adapted to an all-seater and expanded to the largest capacity (by far) in the country.

Arsenal (and Liverpool too) is a worldwide brand, but United have almost a 20-year head start on fully exploiting the marketing that the PL offers as a platform. That gap can and will be closed over time, at least partially, and maybe more than partially if Arsenal start winning the league again and United don't return to their winning ways soon.
:thumbup:

Thanks, good insight.

 
Fascinating article about former Chelsea and West Ham manager Avram Grant's 2009 visit to Russia in search of his grandparents' graves. They were Polish Jews deported to USSR labor camps during the early days of WWII.

Grant turns 60 today and his Ghana team plays for the AFCON title on Sunday.

 
Fascinating article about former Chelsea and West Ham manager Avram Grant's 2009 visit to Russia in search of his grandparents' graves. They were Polish Jews deported to USSR labor camps during the early days of WWII.

Grant turns 60 today and his Ghana team plays for the AFCON title on Sunday.
Did the article talk about his 2010 visit to East London in search of sex workers?

 
I was talking with my mom about the NLD yesterday. We both agreed that knowing that both Pierce Morgan AND Chris Christie were Arsenal fans while Harry Kane played for Tottenham (I think my mom rolls back menopause for a few minutes every time she talks about Prince Harry) was making this fixture a serious test of our loyalties.

 
I was talking with my mom about the NLD yesterday. We both agreed that knowing that both Pierce Morgan AND Chris Christie were Arsenal fans while Harry Kane played for Tottenham (I think my mom rolls back menopause for a few minutes every time she talks about Prince Harry) was making this fixture a serious test of our loyalties.
4th place in the republican nomination equals a presidential bid?

 
I missed the Liverpool Bolton game (I really need to put down the PS4 controller :) )

Can any of you guys who watched it comment on how Tim Ream looked for Bolton?

 
I missed the Liverpool Bolton game (I really need to put down the PS4 controller :) )

Can any of you guys who watched it comment on how Tim Ream looked for Bolton?
I wasn't paying complete attention to it until the end. I thought he had good moments of defending and some really bad, stupid, giveaways. In particular I remember two times he was a little too calm on the ball and passed the ball right back to Liverpool who alms scored both times. Could be those were his only two bad passes all game. I don't know. They are just the two I remember.

 
I watched that Danny Rose goal live (on TV)... ridiculous shot. just kept accelerating... crazy amazing. I scored a couple of volley goals off of corners from closer in and with less run up than that- when you hit it right. :abondanza:

 
I missed the Liverpool Bolton game (I really need to put down the PS4 controller :) )

Can any of you guys who watched it comment on how Tim Ream looked for Bolton?
I watched the game twice, and I thought he was really good, with the exception of some late give aways. He tired a lot late, but was run ragged by the liverpool attacks, many times having to keep up with fast counters, but did really well. From a USMNT perspective I thought he showed tons of promise.
 
I missed the Liverpool Bolton game (I really need to put down the PS4 controller :) )

Can any of you guys who watched it comment on how Tim Ream looked for Bolton?
I watched the game twice, and I thought he was really good, with the exception of some late give aways. He tired a lot late, but was run ragged by the liverpool attacks, many times having to keep up with fast counters, but did really well. From a USMNT perspective I thought he showed tons of promise.
Thanks.

With the US experimenting with many different formations and Ream's ability to play various positions, he might factor into this cycle.

 
I watched that Danny Rose goal live (on TV)... ridiculous shot. just kept accelerating... crazy amazing. I scored a couple of volley goals off of corners from closer in and with less run up than that- when you hit it right. :abondanza:
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Its auction week for EPL domestic television rights for 2016-2019 - Sky, BT, BeIn and possibly others involved. Current contract averages £6.53m per game. The overseas packages are also in play.

Impressive
Stalemate after round 1. This could get silly.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11396602/Premier-League-TV-bidding-rights-on-a-knife-edge.html
This happens every time. The EPL always forces a second round of bidding to up the price. This happened even here in the US on the last contract.

The US EPL deal has gone from $26.7m a year to the current $83.3m.

I can't even guess how high this bid will be. I don't know if NBC has exclusive rights to start the bidding or if Fox/ESPN will jump back in at the beinning. Either way, the next contract number should see another big jump.

 
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