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I'm scared of Dos Santos schooling Bornstein. He's better than Wynne, but I'm not sold.
there is no need to be sold. They play different positions. Wynne is strictly a right back and Bornstein, so far, has been strictly a left back. I am not sure who is starting for the US against Dos Santos. My guess is that if Bradley has concerns, DMB will get the start as he is by far the best US wing midfielder for defense.
I'm just comparing 2 young wing backs that are likely starting against Mexico. I never said they played the exact same position.
I got confused because you were referring to Dos Santos. It seemed like you were saying that you were slightly happier that Bornstein would play against DS instead of Wynne. I was just pointing out that there was no need to compare the two.
 
Knowing that Bradley wants two holding midfielders, and knowing he only plays a 4-4-2, list your 6 middies and strikers that has Kljestan in the lineup...
why does he insist on always doing those two things? If he really wants to use two holding midfield players why not try out a 4-2-3-1? I'd love to see...Altidore/Dempsey up front with

Beasley/Torres Kljestan/Dempsey/Donovan Dempsey/Donovan.

I think you could even get away with playing Donovan Dempsey and Kljestan together (then you could put Altidore up front) but the full backs would have to get forward and provide some of the width, cause like many have said multiple times in this thread Donovan isn't at his best out wide. Cherundolo is pretty good at getting forward and crossing, right? Is Wynne a left back? He was pretty impressive going forward in the olympics, maybe he could be a homeless man's Bosingwa (except on the left). Then you have two big holding players with good vision and passing skills that can help out on d. Bradley seems to fit this role pretty well, and as a bonus he's a good attacking player with a knack for scoring. Put Edu, Clark, or whoever next to him.

If we're gonna play with four midfielders I think our best best is to put our best two way players out there. If Bradley is going to play CM in a 4-4-2 I think we need to employ his attacking abilities more effectively.

 
Knowing that Bradley wants two holding midfielders, and knowing he only plays a 4-4-2, list your 6 middies and strikers that has Kljestan in the lineup...
why does he insist on always doing those two things?
I have no idea but to date, I think almost every lineup he has used has been a 4-4-2 with 2 holding midfielders.Maybe the new year will bring a new formation (but I am not holding my breath).

 
andy_b said:
Moe. said:
andy_b said:
Steve Tasker for Prez said:
Knowing that Bradley wants two holding midfielders, and knowing he only plays a 4-4-2, list your 6 middies and strikers that has Kljestan in the lineup...
why does he insist on always doing those two things?
I have no idea but to date, I think almost every lineup he has used has been a 4-4-2 with 2 holding midfielders.Maybe the new year will bring a new formation (but I am not holding my breath).
Neither am I. He seems wedded to having 2 strikers. I think you need to put LD or Adu in an attacking MF / playmaker / second striker position. Let DMB and Dempsey play out wide or drop further back if need be. Play Sasha in the middle with Edu or Bradley to link up with the AMC.
 
Beckham on the bench today vs. Spain.

I'm interested to see how Phil Jagielka plays....he's always looked like a hard worker....not sure he's quite England caliber, but we'll see.

I'll never forget that Arsenal vs. Sheffield game from a few years back.... :lmao:

 
David James

Glen Johnson ------------ John Terry ---------- Phil Jagielka ------------Ashley Cole

Shaun Wright-Phillips ------ Michael Carrick ------- Gareth Barry ------ Stewart Downing

Emile Heskey ------- Gabriel Agbonlahor
I know England's got some injuries, but....my how the mighty have fallen. I honestly think that a top USMNT squad could draw this team on a good day or beat them on US soil. Just my opinion...
 
David James

Glen Johnson ------------ John Terry ---------- Phil Jagielka ------------Ashley Cole

Shaun Wright-Phillips ------ Michael Carrick ------- Gareth Barry ------ Stewart Downing

Emile Heskey ------- Gabriel Agbonlahor
I know England's got some injuries, but....my how the mighty have fallen. I honestly think that a top USMNT squad could draw this team on a good day or beat them on US soil. Just my opinion...
Gerrard and Defore are hurt and honestly I haven't been keeping up with too much premeirship lately (or English players at all) but what's happened with Lampard, Rooney, Crouch, Rio, Lennon? Haregreeves on the bench? I agree that this is a less than intimidating line-up.Edited to add:

Just checked and saw Rio and Lampard on the bench. Pretty interesting stuff. I've never felt that Lampard performed for the English National team like he does for Chelsea and I'm actually impressed to see him on the bench.

Nice to see Spain pretty much put the full strength squad out there. I feel like Spain might maul them.

 
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David James

Glen Johnson ------------ John Terry ---------- Phil Jagielka ------------Ashley Cole

Shaun Wright-Phillips ------ Michael Carrick ------- Gareth Barry ------ Stewart Downing

Emile Heskey ------- Gabriel Agbonlahor
I know England's got some injuries, but....my how the mighty have fallen. I honestly think that a top USMNT squad could draw this team on a good day or beat them on US soil. Just my opinion...
Gerrard and Defore are hurt and honestly I haven't been keeping up with too much premeirship lately (or English players at all) but what's happened with Lampard, Rooney, Crouch, Rio, Lennon? Haregreeves on the bench? I agree that this is a less than intimidating line-up.
Rooney's hurt too. But I doubt you'd see him in this game. Lampard, Crouch, Ferdinand and Beckham are on the bench. It's a friendly and Capello is still trying to see what he has.
 
Edited to add:Just checked and saw Rio and Lampard on the bench. Pretty interesting stuff. I've never felt that Lampard performed for the English National team like he does for Chelsea and I'm actually impressed to see him on the bench. Nice to see Spain pretty much put the full strength squad out there. I feel like Spain might maul them.
Lampard has been a major disappointment at the international level.
 
David James

Glen Johnson ------------ John Terry ---------- Phil Jagielka ------------Ashley Cole

Shaun Wright-Phillips ------ Michael Carrick ------- Gareth Barry ------ Stewart Downing

Emile Heskey ------- Gabriel Agbonlahor
I know England's got some injuries, but....my how the mighty have fallen. I honestly think that a top USMNT squad could draw this team on a good day or beat them on US soil. Just my opinion...
Name a current US international (i.e. not Friedel) that would make that team. The only one who come close is Howard. I think you're being quite optimistic in your judgement.
 
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David James

Glen Johnson ------------ John Terry ---------- Phil Jagielka ------------Ashley Cole

Shaun Wright-Phillips ------ Michael Carrick ------- Gareth Barry ------ Stewart Downing

Emile Heskey ------- Gabriel Agbonlahor
I know England's got some injuries, but....my how the mighty have fallen. I honestly think that a top USMNT squad could draw this team on a good day or beat them on US soil. Just my opinion...
Name a current US international (i.e. not Friedel) that would make that team. The only one who come close is Howard. I think you're being quite optimistic in your judgement.
I'm as big an EPL homer that there is around...but this is a week English side. James is old and not very good anymore. There are three US keepers better than him. Ashley Cole, Terry, Heskey, SWP and Agbonhlahor are the only guys out there that are very good. The rest could pretty easily be replaced by a number of top Americans.
 
David James

Glen Johnson ------------ John Terry ---------- Phil Jagielka ------------Ashley Cole

Shaun Wright-Phillips ------ Michael Carrick ------- Gareth Barry ------ Stewart Downing

Emile Heskey ------- Gabriel Agbonlahor
I know England's got some injuries, but....my how the mighty have fallen. I honestly think that a top USMNT squad could draw this team on a good day or beat them on US soil. Just my opinion...
Name a current US international (i.e. not Friedel) that would make that team. The only one who come close is Howard. I think you're being quite optimistic in your judgement.
Dempsey
 
And Spain is dominating England right now. Becks warming up :unsure:

I'm pretty surprised with England's effort so far. Capello's return to Spain, a lot of guys on England fighting for spots and trying to regain World class form for England again :shrug:

 
David James

Glen Johnson ------------ John Terry ---------- Phil Jagielka ------------Ashley Cole

Shaun Wright-Phillips ------ Michael Carrick ------- Gareth Barry ------ Stewart Downing

Emile Heskey ------- Gabriel Agbonlahor
I know England's got some injuries, but....my how the mighty have fallen. I honestly think that a top USMNT squad could draw this team on a good day or beat them on US soil. Just my opinion...
Name a current US international (i.e. not Friedel) that would make that team. The only one who come close is Howard. I think you're being quite optimistic in your judgement.
Dempsey
Gooch and Bocanegra are underrated at this level IMHO...I would put them ahead of Dempsey.
 
David James

Glen Johnson ------------ John Terry ---------- Phil Jagielka ------------Ashley Cole

Shaun Wright-Phillips ------ Michael Carrick ------- Gareth Barry ------ Stewart Downing

Emile Heskey ------- Gabriel Agbonlahor
I know England's got some injuries, but....my how the mighty have fallen. I honestly think that a top USMNT squad could draw this team on a good day or beat them on US soil. Just my opinion...
Name a current US international (i.e. not Friedel) that would make that team. The only one who come close is Howard. I think you're being quite optimistic in your judgement.
Dempsey
Gooch and Bocanegra are underrated at this level IMHO...I would put them ahead of Dempsey.
Gooch and Boca over Terry and Jagielka is silly talk. I'm not saying that is what you are suggesting, but the question was, what American should start over that squad. I'm assuming Christo meant Dempsey over Downing which I could give some consideration to. Jagielka is under rated in my opinion and Terry gets the nod on experience alone.
 
David James

Glen Johnson ------------ John Terry ---------- Phil Jagielka ------------Ashley Cole

Shaun Wright-Phillips ------ Michael Carrick ------- Gareth Barry ------ Stewart Downing

Emile Heskey ------- Gabriel Agbonlahor
I know England's got some injuries, but....my how the mighty have fallen. I honestly think that a top USMNT squad could draw this team on a good day or beat them on US soil. Just my opinion...
Name a current US international (i.e. not Friedel) that would make that team. The only one who come close is Howard. I think you're being quite optimistic in your judgement.
Dempsey
Gooch and Bocanegra are underrated at this level IMHO...I would put them ahead of Dempsey.
You must be joking.
 
David James

Glen Johnson ------------ John Terry ---------- Phil Jagielka ------------Ashley Cole

Shaun Wright-Phillips ------ Michael Carrick ------- Gareth Barry ------ Stewart Downing

Emile Heskey ------- Gabriel Agbonlahor
I know England's got some injuries, but....my how the mighty have fallen. I honestly think that a top USMNT squad could draw this team on a good day or beat them on US soil. Just my opinion...
Name a current US international (i.e. not Friedel) that would make that team. The only one who come close is Howard. I think you're being quite optimistic in your judgement.
Dempsey
Gooch and Bocanegra are underrated at this level IMHO...I would put them ahead of Dempsey.
I wouldn't. There's no WAY either of those guys are half the player of John Terry or Ashley Cole. I don't know enough about Phil Jagielka to say what kind of player he is or isn't.Now Stewart Downing, he's unproven at the international level, and has looked good at times, but I think that DMB could give him a run in that lineup.

 
I wouldn't. There's no WAY either of those guys are half the player of John Terry or Ashley Cole. I don't know enough about Phil Jagielka to say what kind of player he is or isn't.Now Stewart Downing, he's unproven at the international level, and has looked good at times, but I think that DMB could give him a run in that lineup.
Jagielka is a huge reason that Everton is near the top of the table in the Premier league. The guy has been fantastic.
 
I wouldn't. There's no WAY either of those guys are half the player of John Terry or Ashley Cole. I don't know enough about Phil Jagielka to say what kind of player he is or isn't.Now Stewart Downing, he's unproven at the international level, and has looked good at times, but I think that DMB could give him a run in that lineup.
Jagielka is a huge reason that Everton is near the top of the table in the Premier league. The guy has been fantastic.
I believe it. I just pay so little attention to the mid-tier teams in the Premiership, that I hadn't noticed his play.
 
David James

Glen Johnson ------------ John Terry ---------- Phil Jagielka ------------Ashley Cole

Shaun Wright-Phillips ------ Michael Carrick ------- Gareth Barry ------ Stewart Downing

Emile Heskey ------- Gabriel Agbonlahor
I know England's got some injuries, but....my how the mighty have fallen. I honestly think that a top USMNT squad could draw this team on a good day or beat them on US soil. Just my opinion...
Name a current US international (i.e. not Friedel) that would make that team. The only one who come close is Howard. I think you're being quite optimistic in your judgement.
Dempsey
Gooch and Bocanegra are underrated at this level IMHO...I would put them ahead of Dempsey.
Gooch and Boca over Terry and Jagielka is silly talk. I'm not saying that is what you are suggesting, but the question was, what American should start over that squad.
Oh....I was just listing who I think would have the best shot of making the squad...I definitely wasn't suggesting they'd start.
 
David James

Glen Johnson ------------ John Terry ---------- Phil Jagielka ------------Ashley Cole

Shaun Wright-Phillips ------ Michael Carrick ------- Gareth Barry ------ Stewart Downing

Emile Heskey ------- Gabriel Agbonlahor
I know England's got some injuries, but....my how the mighty have fallen. I honestly think that a top USMNT squad could draw this team on a good day or beat them on US soil. Just my opinion...
Name a current US international (i.e. not Friedel) that would make that team. The only one who come close is Howard. I think you're being quite optimistic in your judgement.
I'm as big an EPL homer that there is around...but this is a week English side. James is old and not very good anymore. There are three US keepers better than him. Ashley Cole, Terry, Heskey, SWP and Agbonhlahor are the only guys out there that are very good. The rest could pretty easily be replaced by a number of top Americans.
Which American MF could easily replace Carrick or Barry? Any one of those guys (maybe excluding Jagielka and Johnson) would be our best player.
 
Looks like this will be settled soon. I would hate to see Becks leave in Dec with nothing to show for it. Would be better to sell him now for $10M and be done with it.

Andy

The ongoing transfer saga involving the Los Angeles Galaxy's David Beckham and AC Milan is set for conclusion, one way or another, by the end of the week.

MLS commissioner Don Garber told the media Wednesday that he has notified the Galaxy that if a transfer agreement for Beckham is not completed by Friday, MLS will not approve a transfer.

"There is no reason why this should drag on," Garber said. "They [AC Milan] either want to do it or don't want to do it.

"This Friday, we need to know if they want to buy David Beckham or not."

Garber said he notified the Galaxy on Tuesday that the league wants the Beckham situation resolved by Friday, with AC Milan either making a bid or passing on Beckham.

"They need to understand that this is getting very close to the start of our season," said Garber, who revealed that Milan had yet to make a formal offer for Beckham. "We have plans that we need to make if David Beckham is part of those plans."

Garber also confirmed that Beckham does have an out clause in his MLS contract that he can exercise after the 2009 season.

 
Watching a little of the ESP/ENG friendly this morning. Spain's David Villa's goal against England was some damn fine footwork.

 
Landon has 4 chances to feed the ball through around the 18 and gets denied each time. He needs to get better at that.

 
wow...maybe I should take back all the bad things I've said about Bradley.

Maybe he's ready to take it to the next level.

 
Even without the goals, that's the best I've ever seen Bradley play. He broke up plays and (for once) managed to not have so many stupid giveaways.

I was a little shocked with how shaky Gooch looked at times, though. Not his best game.

 

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