NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Who is pulling the strings on these big early moves by Philly in the off season? I thought Stewart was not starting until January?
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El Floppo
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Earnie Stewart begins Philadelphia shakeup http://www.socceramerica.com/article/66874/earnie-stewart-begins-philadelphia-shakeup.html?edition=14856
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I was a bit shocked by that. I guess he was the one real asset that Philly had though.
Unfortunately, it is very difficult to judge trades because they won't release the allocation money that was exchanged. The TAM and regular allocation money are VERY important in this league so with out knowing the amount, I can't say off hand if it was a good or bad deal.
I do very much like that Stewart (or whom ever did this) realizes that they can't sit still. I would rather a GM be very active with a poor team than one who was too conservative. It is not like things can get too much worse.
El Floppo
Footballguy
good player... I like Pontius though. but if he's not healthy, that's a losing trade. I've always liked Neagle- but the article implies he's lost his spot this season...wonder why.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Neagle is not going to Philly, he is going to DC.
I think Pontius is nothing more than a body for Philly. The key part of the Philly deal was the money to give them some cap flexibility for future moves.
Neagle played a lot for Seattle last season but this trade to DC could be an indication that Seattle thinks they are going to get Jordan Morris signed which would make Neagle expendable.
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
It always amazes me that home field advantage is so large in soccer. It's got to be bigger there than any other sport.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Fab is really feeling his oats. As storming run from midfield sets up Korb's goal. Only getting the vines, but lots of good goals early today. Martial, Silva, Nando.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
wow - great team goal by the VW's to take the lead at home.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I'm currently engaged in a job search and just came across this listing on Indeed:
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Wow, live action didn't even do it justice. Two big switches to discombobulate the defense, then Draxler skips right past the midfielder and plays the quick one two to get into the box before squaring for the easy goal. Like a team drill or something.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
That was awesome. This Wolfsburg team is fun to watch.
This game probably big in the coefficient race as well. England can't afford another year of all its teams crashing and burning in the CL.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Luckily, I'm "working from home" today to see this one. Its pretty entertaining. Draxler and Kruse are merciless, having fun embarrassing Schweinie. United just had a goal disallowed on a close offside call. Both Manchester clubs now losing to Germans.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Sevilla just scored, so the two teams with nothing to play for in the group are both winning. Will Pelligrini claim he wasn't aware City could win the group today?
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Complete #### show from United today. Well deserved when they go out.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
How long until Giggs makes a power play to get LvG out?
AAABatteries
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Well - United were horrible but if the goal is to actually win the CL then getting eliminated this season isn't the end of the world. They were never going to win the competition - no chance. And it has to help their top-4 chances for this year (even if just a little) because I don't see them taking Europa too seriously. Also - it may mean that LvG is gone sooner rather than later which could be good. Sucks they didn't advance but they didn't deserve to go through. The funny thing is that I think LvG panicked somewhat today. I don't think he trusted his team to get a 1-0 win so he set them up to score and not defend. May have been their undoing - they were horrible defensively. And the fact that
continues to play is mind-boggling. Hopefully they don't compound things by panic-buying during the window.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Just goes to show what a wizard Fergie was. That last team of his had absolutely no business winning the title. Even with a fit and in form RVP.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Even if they were the best team (not the case) or one of the best teams (maybe but probably not) it's still unlikely percentage-wise that they would win the title. It seems much more likely to me that they would stay in the top-4 than win the Europa league.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Should take any cup seriously....United don't have the luxury to decide which ones are worthy of their effort anymore.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
How much longer until England loses their 4th CL spot? Just a matter of time at this point right?
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
The coefficients are a look ahead model.
At the end of this year, the rankings will determine 2017-2018 teams.
England will probably not lose any ranking spots this year, as Italy is too far behind right now in the running average. Italy and England have earned the exact same amount of points so far this season and even if Italy goes on a massive run, I don't see them getting enough separation to affect the running 5 season average this season.
But next year it could be ripe for Italy passing England as Italy will be dropping a very low score from their average.
But even if that does happen next year, it won't affect things until 2018-2019.
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Tom Hagen
Footballguy
Is the Champions league weighted heavier than Europa? For example, if a team like Chelsea or Arsenal drops to Europa and goes on to win, how does that compare to getting knocked out in the next stage of the CL?
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
It's a little complicated. You get four points for participation in the CL group stage. You get 2 points for participation in the EL group stage. Obviously United gets those 4 CL points. Once in the group stage or knockout round of either competition, you get 2 points for a win and 1 point for a draw. Getting beyond the first knockout round of the CL gives you a big boost. 5 points. The EL has no comparable boost. Participation in each subsequent round (quarters, semis, and finals) earns 1 point a piece in both competitions.
So yes, the EL winner would presumably earn more points just by virtue of earning a lot of 2 point victories. But if Man City, for instance got into the round of 16, it might be close. Particularly if the EL winner came out of the groups as opposed to being one of the 3rd place CL teams (because they'd have 7 points to have to make up).
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Put in practical terms, Man City has earned 12 coefficient points to date (4 for being in the group stage and 8 pts for 4 wins in the group stage). Man United has earned 10 coefficient points to date (4 for being in the group stage and 6 pts for two wins and two draws).
Let's assume that Man City wins their first knockout tie with an away draw and a home win but are then blitzed by Barca or someone in the round of 16 . They'd earn 8 additional pts. (5 for advancing to the round of 16 and 3 pts for a win and draw). So 20 pts total.
Now let's assume that United win the final of the EL but advance in each knockout round with home wins and away draws and then a win in the final. They'd earn 17 additional points (3 pts each for the first knockout round and the round of 16, 4 pts for the quarters and semis, and 3 pts for the final). So 27 pts total.
Let's assume that Man City wins their first knockout tie with an away draw and a home win but are then blitzed by Barca or someone in the round of 16 . They'd earn 8 additional pts. (5 for advancing to the round of 16 and 3 pts for a win and draw). So 20 pts total.
Now let's assume that United win the final of the EL but advance in each knockout round with home wins and away draws and then a win in the final. They'd earn 17 additional points (3 pts each for the first knockout round and the round of 16, 4 pts for the quarters and semis, and 3 pts for the final). So 27 pts total.
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Tom Hagen
Footballguy
Thanks for the explanation. For all the joking about a 4th place trophy, it seems like there is a pretty large financial incentive for the EPL to keep that 4th CL spot (even with the new TV money). I would think teams like United, Liverpool and Spurs might be a little more motivated to take Europa seriously this year but the league is so wide open they may all decide to focus on that.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Swans have fired Gary Monk. Brendan Rogers rumors are flying high.
http://www.swanseacity.net/news/article/swansea-city-part-company-with-garry-monk-2843467.aspx
http://www.swanseacity.net/news/article/swansea-city-part-company-with-garry-monk-2843467.aspx
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Almost as baffling a team as Chelsea. Doing way worse this season with essentially the same roster. I don't get it.
Jaysus
Good times!
Yeah - though to be fair I thought they sent a decent squad to their game, and just lost.
West Ham, on the other hand, tanked their playoff games...
berndog
Footballguy
I'm a big fan of continuity but it was time for him to go. He consistently trotted out the same formation and players and the results never changed. To be fair they never found an adequate replacement for Bony. Gomis is flat out horrible and lazy.
Sebowski
Footballguy
I really hate the "focus on the league" excuses. Seems like only an EPL thing to say. I don't hear it about the Spanish, Italian, or German clubs. You don't pick and choose which games you want to win at that level. You want to win them all. That should be the bloody focus, you Brits.
Spurs have fielded strong teams for every Europa game so far - really only rotating the fullbacks and 1-2 others from the starting squad. So, I think they are taking it seriously.
The funny thing is - the past few years Spurs have heavily rotated the squad, and then done poorly in the league game following a Europa game - fans typically blaming the schedule despite the fact that most players did not play in both games.
This year, with very limited rotation, Spurs are undefeated in league games following Europa matches - so it seems a bit disingenuous to blame Europa schedule for poor performances on the weekend.
And, with the knockout games - really no excuse (other than injury) to not field strong teams - play for the draw on the road, and go for the win at home.
