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That was my point which I made badly.
I don't really know anything so you're probably right. I'm like a 12 year old kid in the soccer world at the moment. My ramblings are usually quite non-sensical.
These old grunts in here need some fresh eyeballs on the situation. They're lucky to have us.
Forming sweeping opinions is what I do. I'm often wrong, and there's no need to get annoyed. Just think " this crazy idiot thought soccer was a sport for girls just 36 months ago" and move on.
Leicester City might be an interesting test case. They have a billionaire owner, but their brand can't hope to generate the commercial revenue necessary to support a top club while complying with the FFP break-even analysis, even with Champions League money. The King Power shirt sponsor deal is probably as sweet as they can make it, but we know from the City and PSG cases that any insider deals will be heavily scrutinized and they'll be sanctioned if deemed not FMV.
That's fair. Certainly wasn't really annoyed with you, just speaking more broadly about it.
Such a fun sport. I'm just glad to be able to have a conversation about it and feel somewhat enlightened.Gotta love Shader's self awareness.
It was already hard. This just says you can't break through by operating the club at a substantial annual deficit. At least I think so?
I don't think Barca earns more than Man United, at least not before debt service, and I think its reasonable United will surpass Real within a year or two.Sammy3469 said:
I wouldn't say that as you have some valid points but the signings were hardly wasted money for the big teams:shader said:
Is any club in Football League (top four divisions) in financial trouble right now?wdcrob said:
This is true, but it also prevents a club from "breaking through" via owner debt investment (or even equity investment to some degree). Essentially, the big clubs' comfortable hegemony was threatened by Chelsea, and later PSG and City. Those clubs all got in under the wire, not without some pain, particularly for the two latecomers. Monaco seems to have been too late, not sophisticated enough, perhaps not dedicated enough, and probably never really had a chance in terms of revenue capability.wdcrob said:
Homegrown talent is lean in English football so their fee's are inflated above their overall value imo. Otamendi was typed in before I went to the bust zone and then I remember Falcao and forgot to move him over. Just typing Falcao
speaking of debt, I saw this tweet this morningwdcrob said:
Sure, but you also pulled players out of La Liga, Bundesliga, La Ligue, and Serie A. So, if EPL has 1/5th of players in the top 50 and the other 40 are split over 4 leagues, that seems, well, about right. The issue moreso is that those players are concentrated on just 1 team in 3 of those 4 leagues and on 3 teams in La Liga whereas it's a little more split among 6 teams in the EPL and that the top of that list doesn't reside there.Mjolnirs said:
I'm confused by what you mean by top club, Man U is a top club. He'll be there through his contract unless United think they can sell him off to a team for more than they paid. Ronaldo is a perfect example, the guy was all world at ManU and probably could have won them more trophies had Sir Alex kept him but the amount of money Real Madrid offered to the club for him was absurd and a no brainer.
I agree with you, btw, on KDB, Otamendi and Martial. Although I wonder if Martial is one of those guys that flourishes and then wants to leave ManU for a top club.
Money and success are always going to be the most important factors but I do think this has to affect Liverpool and the Manchester clubs. I'm not sure how players view Munich but Madrid, Barcelona and Paris are some of the top cities in the world and Turin is no slouch. Remember the stories about how uncomfortable DiMaria was in Manchester?Sebowski said:
at footy porn.
Not arguing one side or another at this point. Just posting data.
That is awesome.
Roy's squad for France will have a lot of new faces. Someone will emerge as a star next month although he probably won't be English.
Griezmann is already a star playing at the top level, but I think a lot more people are going to realize it in the Euros.
