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It seems the Premier League indeed has a net positive transfer balance from the winter window, after net spending of nearly a billion Euros this past summer.

 
Its been another pretty good matchweek for Chelsea, getting a point at Anfield while everyone else in the top 6 but City dropped points.  With the point yesterday, Chelsea is now mathematically safe from relegation and is in a great position for a top 4 finish, having already played away to all of the 4 clubs behind them in the table.

 
Sammy3469 said:
Here's a tweet that has the statement for those that don't want their screen blowing up ;)

https://twitter.com/SacRepublicFC/status/826836262724202497

I'd say it inflammatory. 
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The Mayor of Sacramento checked in a with a strongly worded statement himself (see link below).

Seems like this would have been more useful to say a couple of weeks ago instead of letting it blow up like this publicly and doing the PR harm that they allowed to happen.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3nDygVUYAANsrN.jpg:large

 
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NewlyRetired said:
The Mayor of Sacramento checked in a with a strongly worded statement himself (see link below).

Seems like this would have been more useful to say a couple of weeks ago instead of letting it blow up like this publicly and doing the PR hard that they allowed to happen.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3nDygVUYAANsrN.jpg:large
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It's sounds like Garber knew about the split for some time and was dealing with them with/without the USL guys.  Still a giant cluster duck on all sides if this was the #1 expansion target.

 
NYCFC bringing in Stephane Badji on loan after signing Alexander Ring yesterday.  Neither are DPs, both are defensive midfieldish type guys.  Looks like they'll hold off on using the 3rd DP until the summer.  They may end up only starting 2 US players in Johnson and McNamara.  

 
not a surprise, and I'd figure it's already posted here somewhere... but congrats to Lamps on his retirement. one of my favorite english players evah. 

 
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The new Italian striker scored but otherwise, oof. I've been saying that a lot lately.

Crap, this should've gone in teh game day thread.

NEED MOAR LIVERPOOL

 
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Finally.....

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The ownership dispute that threatened to derail Sacramento’s bid for a Major League Soccer team has been settled.

Sacramento Republic FC founder Warren Smith and investor Kevin Nagle reached an agreement in principle that will allow Nagle, the wealthy pharmaceutical executive who’s spearheading the MLS effort, to use the popular Republic FC brand in the bid for the expansion team. The agreement was announced early Saturday by Mayor Darrell Steinberg, who mediated a combined 12 hours of negotiations between the two men Thursday and Friday nights.

Financial terms of the deal, which was reached late Friday or early Saturday, weren’t disclosed.

 
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This is an interesting stat that seems to clearly indicate the direction the league wants to take.  While mostly positive, I do think there is a financial component to this in the league seemingly as a whole deciding not to overpay for the big name older player.

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59 MLS foreign signings this winter, only nine of those players are age 30 or older

 
4 cities are going to get a spot from the 12 that bid on expansion teams for MLS.I don't see why Beckham does not look at the 8 cities/groups who don't get in and simply join the one he likes the most if and when he finally gives up on Miami.Almost every ownership group would love to have him not only for his obvious notoriety, but he that he comes with a golden ticket that makes the $150m expansion fee dwindle to just $25m.That $125m difference then could be put towards stadium, training facility, academies or what ever the teams needs. It would be a nice cash injection to start a franchise with.

 
Top-6 EPL teams: since January 1

Team(games) W-D-L  PTS  GS-GA

Spurs(5)  3-2-0 11pts  9-2

Chelsea(5) 3-1-1 10pts 9-4

Arsenal(5) 2-1-2 7pts 11-9

Man City(4) 2-1-1 7pts 8-6

Man United(4) 1-3-0 6pts 4-2

Liverpool(5) 0-3-2 3pts 6-9

Big match next week is Liverpool hosting Spurs.  Liverpool will be happy to not play a team that sits back with 10 behind the ball.  Spurs will still be without 2 defensive starters.  I expect Liverpool will turn up for this one and get the result they need to stay in the fight for a top-4 finish.

 
EPL Teams with the biggest net spend from transfers over the last five seasons (technically since Summer 2012). From Transfermarkt


#


Team


Net Spend


Expenditures


 Income


1


Manchester City


-501,73 Mill. £


£587.13m


£160.66m


2


Manchester United


-470,29 Mill. £


£578.65m


£178.90m


3


Arsenal FC


-247,58 Mill. £


£311.30m


£100.85m


4


Liverpool FC


-167,86 Mill. £


£412.62m


£269.93m


5


Chelsea FC


-156,18 Mill. £


£510.89m


£378.14m


6


West Ham United


-145,72 Mill. £


£186.36m


£62.50m


7


Crystal Palace


-119,65 Mill. £


£165.33m


£63.63m


8


Sunderland AFC


-115,40 Mill. £


£165.56m


£67.47m


9


Watford FC


-94,22 Mill. £


£138.96m


£58.88m


10


Everton FC


-93,24 Mill. £


£194.39m


£115.13m


11


Stoke City


-93,24 Mill. £


£105.97m


£26.72m


12


Leicester City


-90,45 Mill. £


£144.71m


£67.83m


13


Aston Villa


-84,09 Mill. £


£171.19m


£99.72m


14


Newcastle United


-83,69 Mill. £


£215.43m


£144.30m


15


AFC Bournemouth


-74,52 Mill. £


£89.51m


£26.16m


16


West Bromwich Albion


-69,64 Mill. £


£107.42m


£48.23m


17


Middlesbrough FC


-69,24 Mill. £


£81.29m


£22.44m


18


Queens Park Rangers


-60,04 Mill. £


£114.18m


£63.14m


19


Hull City


-54,03 Mill. £


£117.01m


£71.09m


20


Norwich City


-52,70 Mill. £


£115.16m


£70.37m

 
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Native said:
EPL Teams with the biggest net spend from transfers over the last five seasons (technically since Summer 2012). From Transfermarkt


#


Team


Net Spend


Expenditures


 Income


1


Manchester City


-501,73 Mill. £


£587.13m


£160.66m


2


Manchester United


-470,29 Mill. £


£578.65m


£178.90m


3


Arsenal FC


-247,58 Mill. £


£311.30m


£100.85m


4


Liverpool FC


-167,86 Mill. £


£412.62m


£269.93m


5


Chelsea FC


-156,18 Mill. £


£510.89m


£378.14m


6


West Ham United


-145,72 Mill. £


£186.36m


£62.50m


7


Crystal Palace


-119,65 Mill. £


£165.33m


£63.63m


8


Sunderland AFC


-115,40 Mill. £


£165.56m


£67.47m


9


Watford FC


-94,22 Mill. £


£138.96m


£58.88m


10


Everton FC


-93,24 Mill. £


£194.39m


£115.13m


11


Stoke City


-93,24 Mill. £


£105.97m


£26.72m


12


Leicester City


-90,45 Mill. £


£144.71m


£67.83m


13


Aston Villa


-84,09 Mill. £


£171.19m


£99.72m


14


Newcastle United


-83,69 Mill. £


£215.43m


£144.30m


15


AFC Bournemouth


-74,52 Mill. £


£89.51m


£26.16m


16


West Bromwich Albion


-69,64 Mill. £


£107.42m


£48.23m


17


Middlesbrough FC


-69,24 Mill. £


£81.29m


£22.44m


18


Queens Park Rangers


-60,04 Mill. £


£114.18m


£63.14m


19


Hull City


-54,03 Mill. £


£117.01m


£71.09m


20


Norwich City


-52,70 Mill. £


£115.16m


£70.37m
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This list really shows how powerful the transfer of Bale was for the bottom line for Spurs......

 
NewlyRetired said:
This list really shows how powerful the transfer of Bale was for the bottom line for Spurs......
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Thats a fun narrative, but not really true.

If you go back to the summer of 2013 - Transfers In:

Lamela

Eriksen

Soldado

Paulinho

Chiriches

Chadli

Capoue

Total cost: €121.9

Bale: €101

On top of that, the subsequent sales of Soldado, Paulinho, Chiriches, Chadli, and Capoue resulted in a net loss of a further €15.5M.

Certainly, the sale of Bale facilitated a big spend that summer, but Spurs have generally been very frugal in the transfer market, funding purchases with player sales.  If anything, Spurs really wasted the Bale transfer money and could have gone south quickly with 5 of the 7 players brought in failing to stick with the club.

The biggest reason why Spurs have been able to remain competitive, despite no net spend has little to do with Bale, and more to do with hitting the lottery a few times.  Harry Kane is from the academy - so no cost for a world-class striker.  Dele came at a modest cost of €6.6M, but is worth far more than that now.  Dier had a buyout clause of €5M.  Hugo Lloris came at a bargain price of €12.6M.  Rose and Walker cost a combined €6.9 back in 2007 and 2009 respectively.  Alderweireld and Vertonghen cost a combined €31M, or less than David Luiz, or Eric Bailey, or Shkodran Mustafi, or Johns Stones (or Otamendi) each cost individually.

 
Native said:
EPL Teams with the biggest net spend from transfers over the last five seasons (technically since Summer 2012). From Transfermarkt


#


Team


Net Spend


Expenditures


 Income


1


Manchester City


-501,73 Mill. £


£587.13m


£160.66m


2


Manchester United


-470,29 Mill. £


£578.65m


£178.90m


3


Arsenal FC


-247,58 Mill. £


£311.30m


£100.85m


4


Liverpool FC


-167,86 Mill. £


£412.62m


£269.93m


5


Chelsea FC


-156,18 Mill. £


£510.89m


£378.14m


6


West Ham United


-145,72 Mill. £


£186.36m


£62.50m


7


Crystal Palace


-119,65 Mill. £


£165.33m


£63.63m


8


Sunderland AFC


-115,40 Mill. £


£165.56m


£67.47m


9


Watford FC


-94,22 Mill. £


£138.96m


£58.88m


10


Everton FC


-93,24 Mill. £


£194.39m


£115.13m


11


Stoke City


-93,24 Mill. £


£105.97m


£26.72m


12


Leicester City


-90,45 Mill. £


£144.71m


£67.83m


13


Aston Villa


-84,09 Mill. £


£171.19m


£99.72m


14


Newcastle United


-83,69 Mill. £


£215.43m


£144.30m


15


AFC Bournemouth


-74,52 Mill. £


£89.51m


£26.16m


16


West Bromwich Albion


-69,64 Mill. £


£107.42m


£48.23m


17


Middlesbrough FC


-69,24 Mill. £


£81.29m


£22.44m


18


Queens Park Rangers


-60,04 Mill. £


£114.18m


£63.14m


19


Hull City


-54,03 Mill. £


£117.01m


£71.09m


20


Norwich City


-52,70 Mill. £


£115.16m


£70.37m
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Some of those teams have been relegated even.  coughQPRcoughNewcastlecoughAstonVillacough

 
 


#


Net Spend last 5 Years


Purchased Gross


Sold


Nett


Per Season


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


1


Manchester City


£565,650,000


£163,100,000


£402,550,000


£80,510,000


 


2


Manchester United


£528,800,000


£160,150,000


£368,650,000


£73,730,000


 


4


Arsenal


£298,340,000


£92,450,000


£205,890,000


£41,178,000


 


3


Chelsea


£507,459,000


£315,150,000


£192,309,000


£38,461,800


 


5


West Ham


£151,300,000


£26,000,000


£125,300,000


£25,060,000


 


6


Liverpool


£365,600,000


£244,080,000


£121,520,000


£24,304,000


 


7


Leicester


£129,700,000


£41,300,000


£88,400,000


£17,680,000


 


8


Sunderland


£124,480,000


£51,050,000


£73,430,000


£14,686,000


 


9


Stoke City


£86,300,000


£24,000,000


£62,300,000


£12,460,000


 


14


Watford


£88,400,000


£28,800,000


£59,600,000


£11,920,000


 


10


West Bromwich Albion


£89,350,000


£30,209,000


£59,141,000


£11,828,200


 


11


Crystal Palace


£125,535,000


£68,900,000


£56,635,000


£11,327,000


 


15


AFC Bournemouth


£76,850,000


£24,750,000


£52,100,000


£10,420,000


 


12


Everton


£191,300,000


£116,316,000


£74,984,000


£14,996,800


 


15


Hull City 


£92,625,000


£45,700,000


£46,925,000


£9,385,000


 


16


Middlesbrough


£53,725,000


£17,675,000


£36,050,000


£7,210,000


 


17


Southampton


£221,100,000


£187,850,000


£33,250,000


£6,650,000


 


18


Burnley


£46,900,000


£23,450,000


£23,450,000


£4,690,000


 


19


Tottenham


£315,450,000


£309,950,000


£5,500,000


£1,100,000


 


20


Swansea


£109,875,000


£119,560,000


-£9,685,000


-£1,937,000





This is the table I get at transfermarkt now

Not sure what constitutes the time frame of the last 5 years.

 
That's pretty amazing for Tottenham.  I think that's what Klopp is trying to do, build the Tottenham way.  His problem is his fanbase have ManU envy and want him to splash the cash.

Sinn Fein said:
Top-6 EPL teams: since January 1

Team(games) W-D-L  PTS  GS-GA

Spurs(5)  3-2-0 11pts  9-2

Chelsea(5) 3-1-1 10pts 9-4

Arsenal(5) 2-1-2 7pts 11-9

Man City(4) 2-1-1 7pts 8-6

Man United(4) 1-3-0 6pts 4-2

Liverpool(5) 0-3-2 3pts 6-9

Big match next week is Liverpool hosting Spurs.  Liverpool will be happy to not play a team that sits back with 10 behind the ball.  Spurs will still be without 2 defensive starters.  I expect Liverpool will turn up for this one and get the result they need to stay in the fight for a top-4 finish.
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Certainly a big game.  With a win, Liverpool would move back to within a point of Spurs and then get a 2 week break to sort themselves out and get some rest for the final 13 games.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Manager on manager handbags!
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Yeah, I almost forgot about the jaw-to-jaw dustup between managers. Apparently, Huddersfield's German manager celebrated the winning goal, which came pretty late in the game, a little too Kloppishly for Gary Monk's taste and Monk had words with him that almost resulted in some hilarious head butting.

 
I still think Tottenham is going to have problems holding on to those values.  Rose and Walker are great examples.  They are homegrown English fullbacks.  Every top four team needs homegrown players for the CL and fullback is a weak position for many teams.  If Man City is willing to pay what they did for Stones, what will they pay for Walker, who is closer to the finished article?

So Spurs are either going to have to blow up their salary structure, because these guys can make 100 to 150, 000 pounds a week elsewhere, or they're going to be a selling club. 

Just going through the roster:

Kane -- Definite interest from bigger domestic teams, probably some continental interest.

Dele -- No brainer for any top four domestic team.  Interest as far up the ladder as Real Madrid

Dier -  Definite interest from bigger domestic teams

Rose - Ditto

Walker -- Ditto

Lloris -- Could easily see a PSG bid.  A top tier keeper on an affordable salary.  You'd think that Liverpool would kill to bid on him.  If Real Madrid starts the keeper dominos falling, he could easily end up replacing whoever Real poaches.  Could also be a Pep target if Bravo continues to struggle. 

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
I still think Tottenham is going to have problems holding on to those values.  Rose and Walker are great examples.  They are homegrown English fullbacks.  Every top four team needs homegrown players for the CL and fullback is a weak position for many teams.  If Man City is willing to pay what they did for Stones, what will they pay for Walker, who is closer to the finished article?

So Spurs are either going to have to blow up their salary structure, because these guys can make 100 to 150, 000 pounds a week elsewhere, or they're going to be a selling club. 

Just going through the roster:

Kane -- Definite interest from bigger domestic teams, probably some continental interest.

Dele -- No brainer for any top four domestic team.  Interest as far up the ladder as Real Madrid

Dier -  Definite interest from bigger domestic teams

Rose - Ditto

Walker -- Ditto

Lloris -- Could easily see a PSG bid.  A top tier keeper on an affordable salary.  You'd think that Liverpool would kill to bid on him.  If Real Madrid starts the keeper dominos falling, he could easily end up replacing whoever Real poaches.  Could also be a Pep target if Bravo continues to struggle. 
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Kane - already on 100K+ (with incentives)

Dele - will get a new deal this summer, not going to a domestic team, eventually will end up in Spain

Dier - One of the most important players for Spurs - he will get his money, and be a future captain.

Rose - Rose has an unusually strong relationship with Pochettino.  If Spurs keep Pochettino happy, Rose will be happy.

Walker - has said in the last few weeks that he hopes to retire at Spurs.

Lloris - I think he could end up back at PSG to end his career, but I get the sense that his wife likes London.

You keep talking about Spurs having to "Blow up" their salary structure as if they won't do that.  They have given new contracts to key players (excepting Lamela, who is not currently in the starting XI when healthy).  They have signed Pochettino to a new deal - and he is the lynchpin to the squad cohesiveness.  It is as close a squad as I have seen in nearly any sport (albeit I don't watch any other team as closely as I watch Spurs).  They generally like playing with each other, and for Pochettino.  Spurs are also fortunate not to have any true mercenaries on their roster right now.

When I look at the squad, I don't anticipate any of the starters to leave in the next few years.  Dembele would be the one exception I could see if China comes in with a big bid, for a big pay day.  Spurs have not sold to a "bigger" domestic club since 2008, and they are unlikely to do so for financial reasons now.

With the new TV revenue, and upcoming stadium revenue, Spurs won't have to sell anyone they want to keep.  Spurs also have the advantage now of being able to spend transfer money on new deals.  There are no gaping holes in the line-up that require a big spend - they will continue to rely on continuity, and natural progression by the players to improve, as they are still the youngest squad in the league.  They are on pace this season to improve on total points for the 3rd year under Pochettino.  Having said that, the goal here is to win something - and this team will need to win a trophy or 2 in the next couple of years to keep everyone together long-term.  

Of the players currently on the roster - most likely to leave: Bentaleb (on loan at Schalke); Fazio (on loan at Roma); Sissoko, Lamela (says he wants to stay - but if Spurs can get Isco this summer, Lamela will be sold - I don't think they can get Isco); Wimmer - back up to Vertonghen, but not comfortable in a 3-back system; Davies - back up to Rose, but not good enough as a wingback - could stay as a back-up to Vertonghen.  All of those would be sold as surplus to requirements, or to bring in a better replacement.  Nobody is agitating to leave (except Bentaleb) - that has been Spurs biggest problem the last couple of summers - convincing some of the fringe players to leave.

And the cupboard is not bare coming from the Academy -  Winks has developed into a good squad player this season, I expect Carter-Vickers to have a bigger role next season.  And, we will start to see a few appearances from Marcus Edwards, who will be Eriksen's heir apparent down the road.

Spurs don't have silly money to spend in the transfer market (or on wages), but they have enough money to stay competitive.  And right now, I would not trade the starting XI for Spurs:  Lloris, Dier, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Walker, Wanyama, Dembele, Rose, Eriksen, Dele, Kane with any roster in the league.

 
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