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Zlatan was cracking me up yesterday. The 2 teams are in the field to start the 2ND half but the big guy is nowhere to be found. All of a sudden he comes galloping out of the tunnel,  chest out and man bun bouncing in the wind. I fully expected fireworks to start going off.

 
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#


Net Spend last 5 Years


Purchased Gross


Sold


Nett


Per Season


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


1


Manchester City


£565,650,000


£163,100,000


£402,550,000


£80,510,000


 


2


Manchester United


£528,800,000


£160,150,000


£368,650,000


£73,730,000


 


4


Arsenal


£298,340,000


£92,450,000


£205,890,000


£41,178,000


 


3


Chelsea


£507,459,000


£315,150,000


£192,309,000


£38,461,800


 


5


West Ham


£151,300,000


£26,000,000


£125,300,000


£25,060,000


 


6


Liverpool


£365,600,000


£244,080,000


£121,520,000


£24,304,000


 


7


Leicester


£129,700,000


£41,300,000


£88,400,000


£17,680,000


 


8


Sunderland


£124,480,000


£51,050,000


£73,430,000


£14,686,000


 


9


Stoke City


£86,300,000


£24,000,000


£62,300,000


£12,460,000


 


14


Watford


£88,400,000


£28,800,000


£59,600,000


£11,920,000


 


10


West Bromwich Albion


£89,350,000


£30,209,000


£59,141,000


£11,828,200


 


11


Crystal Palace


£125,535,000


£68,900,000


£56,635,000


£11,327,000


 


15


AFC Bournemouth


£76,850,000


£24,750,000


£52,100,000


£10,420,000


 


12


Everton


£191,300,000


£116,316,000


£74,984,000


£14,996,800


 


15


Hull City 


£92,625,000


£45,700,000


£46,925,000


£9,385,000


 


16


Middlesbrough


£53,725,000


£17,675,000


£36,050,000


£7,210,000


 


17


Southampton


£221,100,000


£187,850,000


£33,250,000


£6,650,000


 


18


Burnley


£46,900,000


£23,450,000


£23,450,000


£4,690,000


 


19


Tottenham


£315,450,000


£309,950,000


£5,500,000


£1,100,000


 


20


Swansea


£109,875,000


£119,560,000


-£9,685,000


-£1,937,000





This is the table I get at transfermarkt now

Not sure what constitutes the time frame of the last 5 years.
Lovely formatting - another detail that separates me from the rest of you guys bringing the quality data in here.  But what about "Nett" - is that a British thing, or a German thing?

 
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Lovely formatting - another detail that separates me from the rest of you guys bringing the quality data in here.  But what about "Nett" - is that a British thing, or a German thing?
Transfermarkt always uses that term - I always assumed it was like "maths"  just a British phrasing for "Net" spend :shrug:

 
I know the focus on "net spend" is a humorous meme of sorts, probably something from twitter or reddit, but it strikes me as a bit odd.  No doubt Spurs have done very well to put that team together by buying wisely without deficit spending, but that's the owner's decision.  Joe Lewis may not have sheikh money, but he's got as much as Ambramovich, Glaser, Henry or Kroenke and its solely up to him whether he wants to play for a championship or is happy challenging for top 4 year after year. The Fords are also billionaires, but I've never head a Detroit Lions fan praise their frugality - its purely a euro footy thing and very odd imo.  When Abramovich bought Chelsea, I only knew a couple other supporters and we were all very happy to see him spend like a drunken sailor. Crespo, Veron and Mutu for 20mil each? Yes please. Then, after five years or so and a couple cups, the supporters start acting embarrassed by all the crazy spending, and start complaining about promotion of youth and the like. I don't really understand the point of that. If Roman is willing to put another billion into the team, and he can do it within the rules, have at it.

 
I know the focus on "net spend" is a humorous meme of sorts, probably something from twitter or reddit, but it strikes me as a bit odd.  No doubt Spurs have done very well to put that team together by buying wisely without deficit spending, but that's the owner's decision.  Joe Lewis may not have sheikh money, but he's got as much as Ambramovich, Glaser, Henry or Kroenke and its solely up to him whether he wants to play for a championship or is happy challenging for top 4 year after year. The Fords are also billionaires, but I've never head a Detroit Lions fan praise their frugality - its purely a euro footy thing and very odd imo.  
I don't think it is a Euro thing specifically, I think it is a non salary capped league thing.   Most US leagues have salary caps, with very very high salary floors, keeping the teams relatively close in spending.  There are still salary gaps between teams of course but no where near the gaps that a non salary capped league creates.

The only league that does not employ a salary cap in the US is MLB, and you hear every year fans and media alike praise teams that can build on a budget vs the Red Sox/Yankees "spend more than every one else" model.

The idea of "Moneyball" is fairly well known and respected with in baseballs world I think.

 
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This is an interesting article discussing the possibility with multiple MLS gm's that some MLS team is going to break a league investment record by going after Chicharito

Speculation about the future of Javier “Chicharito” Hernandez has centered around whether the Mexican star will land in MLS. Conversations with multiple MLS general managers and league sources over the last few weeks revealed that the prevailing belief is not just that an MLS team should make a play for Chicharito in the summer window, but that a team will move to sign the Bayer Leverkusen forward.

The price tag will be a hefty one. When Chicharito last negotiated with an MLS team – Orlando City in 2015 – he set his number above $10 million in salary. One source said it was as high as $12 million per year. The total investment, including a transfer fee, could end up in the $50 million range over the life of a four-year contract.

For context, Kaká signed for approximately $30 million over four years and Sebastian Giovinco for around $35 million over five years. Despite that price tag, most GMs believe money, at least compared to previous Designated Players, shouldn’t be a deterrent.

“He’s worth more than any team has spent on any player,” one general manager said.

Multiple people around the league said they believe Chicharito, 28, falls into a category reserved for only a select few players this league has ever seen: those who can move the needle in attendance, marketing and TV numbers and can transcend multiple soccer markets. David Beckham leads this list in MLS history. Freddy Adu, Cuauhtémoc Blanco and Jorge Campos also gave the league bumps in regards to business impact.

Just one GM expressed reservations that “overpaying” Chicharito might inflate the market and make it tougher to navigate for MLS teams in the future. Others believe Chicharito’s stature in North America is well known and would combat that potential problem.  

Chicharito would undoubtedly fill stadiums and bring sponsors on board – and he’d do it while scoring a ton of goals on the field. The question is whether those sponsorships, jersey sales and ticket profits would be enough to balance out the substantial financial package necessary to sign him, and whether Chicharito would be willing to step into the responsibilities that come with that spotlight, as Beckham did. One MLS general manager said the price of a contract might hinge on whether a team owns all of Chicharito’s marketing rights.

Of course, MLS will face stiff competition for Mexico’s biggest star. If Leverkusen opts to sell the goal-scorer in the summer window, there will be plenty of suitors in Europe. PSG is one team that has come up in recent rumors. That’s what ultimately killed the Orlando City negotiations; Chicharito wanted to play Champions League football. (One source said MLS never expressed reservations about the hefty price tag in 2015.) In addition to European suitors, there will be the temptation of returning to Liga MX to play. There are some questions about whether a Mexican team can compete financially for Chicharito, though. MLS teams have shown an ability to outspend for top-end players, even if they don’t spend across the entire roster the way Liga MX does.

Wherever Chicharito lands – and two sources think LAFC will ultimately sign him, perhaps this summer before loaning him out ahead of the 2018 season – MLS will not allow discovery rights to hold up a deal for a player of this caliber. As one source put it, the process would be, essentially: “Here’s the price. If you can pay it speak up, otherwise step aside.”

If that price exceeds $10 million for a transfer fee, it makes an MLS move a bit more unrealistic. One source indicated the league has also backed away from the days when it would assist teams with transfer fees. That was confirmed by MLS commissioner Don Garber when I spoke with him at the MLS All-Star game announcement in Chicago last week.

“There was a time, particularly when we created the Designated Player rule, where the league was very involved in helping our clubs make decisions that we believed would be in their best interest,” Garber said. “In fact, we subsidized many of those decisions. Those days are long gone. There are no more subsidies, and our clubs are first and foremost making the decisions about what kind of players they want to sign, particularly as Designated Players, that can create value for them on and off the field.”

If that price exceeds $10 million for a transfer fee, it makes an MLS move a bit more unrealistic. One source indicated the league has also backed away from the days when it would assist teams with transfer fees. That was confirmed by MLS commissioner Don Garber when I spoke with him at the MLS All-Star game announcement in Chicago last week.

“There was a time, particularly when we created the Designated Player rule, where the league was very involved in helping our clubs make decisions that we believed would be in their best interest,” Garber said. “In fact, we subsidized many of those decisions. Those days are long gone. There are no more subsidies, and our clubs are first and foremost making the decisions about what kind of players they want to sign, particularly as Designated Players, that can create value for them on and off the field.”

“He’s worth more than any team has spent on any player.”

Many of the newer ownership groups now involved in MLS don’t need the league’s financial aid anymore. At Chicharito’s price point, however, there are only a few teams really capable of splashing the cash: LAFC, LA Galaxy, New York City FC, New York Red Bulls, Toronto FC, Seattle Sounders and Atlanta United.

It feels like a realistic possibility now, though, that a team in MLS is going to sign a player many believe would be a game-changer – off the field as much as on it.
 
This is an interesting article discussing the possibility with multiple MLS gm's that some MLS team is going to break a league investment record by going after Chicharito

Speculation about the future of Javier “Chicharito” Hernandez has centered around whether the Mexican star will land in MLS. Conversations with multiple MLS general managers and league sources over the last few weeks revealed that the prevailing belief is not just that an MLS team should make a play for Chicharito in the summer window, but that a team will move to sign the Bayer Leverkusen forward.

The price tag will be a hefty one. When Chicharito last negotiated with an MLS team – Orlando City in 2015 – he set his number above $10 million in salary. One source said it was as high as $12 million per year. The total investment, including a transfer fee, could end up in the $50 million range over the life of a four-year contract.

For context, Kaká signed for approximately $30 million over four years and Sebastian Giovinco for around $35 million over five years. Despite that price tag, most GMs believe money, at least compared to previous Designated Players, shouldn’t be a deterrent.

“He’s worth more than any team has spent on any player,” one general manager said.

Multiple people around the league said they believe Chicharito, 28, falls into a category reserved for only a select few players this league has ever seen: those who can move the needle in attendance, marketing and TV numbers and can transcend multiple soccer markets. David Beckham leads this list in MLS history. Freddy Adu, Cuauhtémoc Blanco and Jorge Campos also gave the league bumps in regards to business impact.

Just one GM expressed reservations that “overpaying” Chicharito might inflate the market and make it tougher to navigate for MLS teams in the future. Others believe Chicharito’s stature in North America is well known and would combat that potential problem.  

Chicharito would undoubtedly fill stadiums and bring sponsors on board – and he’d do it while scoring a ton of goals on the field. The question is whether those sponsorships, jersey sales and ticket profits would be enough to balance out the substantial financial package necessary to sign him, and whether Chicharito would be willing to step into the responsibilities that come with that spotlight, as Beckham did. One MLS general manager said the price of a contract might hinge on whether a team owns all of Chicharito’s marketing rights.

Of course, MLS will face stiff competition for Mexico’s biggest star. If Leverkusen opts to sell the goal-scorer in the summer window, there will be plenty of suitors in Europe. PSG is one team that has come up in recent rumors. That’s what ultimately killed the Orlando City negotiations; Chicharito wanted to play Champions League football. (One source said MLS never expressed reservations about the hefty price tag in 2015.) In addition to European suitors, there will be the temptation of returning to Liga MX to play. There are some questions about whether a Mexican team can compete financially for Chicharito, though. MLS teams have shown an ability to outspend for top-end players, even if they don’t spend across the entire roster the way Liga MX does.

Wherever Chicharito lands – and two sources think LAFC will ultimately sign him, perhaps this summer before loaning him out ahead of the 2018 season – MLS will not allow discovery rights to hold up a deal for a player of this caliber. As one source put it, the process would be, essentially: “Here’s the price. If you can pay it speak up, otherwise step aside.”

If that price exceeds $10 million for a transfer fee, it makes an MLS move a bit more unrealistic. One source indicated the league has also backed away from the days when it would assist teams with transfer fees. That was confirmed by MLS commissioner Don Garber when I spoke with him at the MLS All-Star game announcement in Chicago last week.

“There was a time, particularly when we created the Designated Player rule, where the league was very involved in helping our clubs make decisions that we believed would be in their best interest,” Garber said. “In fact, we subsidized many of those decisions. Those days are long gone. There are no more subsidies, and our clubs are first and foremost making the decisions about what kind of players they want to sign, particularly as Designated Players, that can create value for them on and off the field.”

If that price exceeds $10 million for a transfer fee, it makes an MLS move a bit more unrealistic. One source indicated the league has also backed away from the days when it would assist teams with transfer fees. That was confirmed by MLS commissioner Don Garber when I spoke with him at the MLS All-Star game announcement in Chicago last week.

“There was a time, particularly when we created the Designated Player rule, where the league was very involved in helping our clubs make decisions that we believed would be in their best interest,” Garber said. “In fact, we subsidized many of those decisions. Those days are long gone. There are no more subsidies, and our clubs are first and foremost making the decisions about what kind of players they want to sign, particularly as Designated Players, that can create value for them on and off the field.”

“He’s worth more than any team has spent on any player.”

Many of the newer ownership groups now involved in MLS don’t need the league’s financial aid anymore. At Chicharito’s price point, however, there are only a few teams really capable of splashing the cash: LAFC, LA Galaxy, New York City FC, New York Red Bulls, Toronto FC, Seattle Sounders and Atlanta United.

It feels like a realistic possibility now, though, that a team in MLS is going to sign a player many believe would be a game-changer – off the field as much as on it.
It is strange to see him compared to Beckham because on a global status he is not even in the same universe, but in the US, he might be just as big

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If I’m Chicharito’s agent I’m asking for a fixed-price @MLS expansion team option clause like Beckham. He’s one of few who might get it.
 
I'm not sure I see Chicharito as being that type of marketable star outside of LA. 
I think the Mexican National Team might be the single most popular team in America.  

They can sell out almost any where they go.  Ten years ago it used to be limited to a handful of major US cities but the expansion and growth of the Mexican population in the US has spread dramatically.

And for better or worse, I think Chicharito is seen as their biggest star.   I think he would be relatively easy to market across the US.

That being said I don't know if he is worth the kind of money they are talking about, especially if they start thinking about golden tickets like Becks got.

 
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I think the Mexican National Team might be the single most popular team in America.  

They can sell out almost any where they go.  Ten years ago it used to be limited to some major cities but the expansion and growth of the of Mexican's in the US has spread dramatically.

And for better or worse, I think Chicharito is seen as their biggest star.   I think he would be relatively easy to market across the US.

That being said I don't know if he is worth the kind of money they are talking about, especially if they start thinking about golden tickets like Becks got.
agree with that, doemstically. 

from a talent standpoint- he's capable, in the same way becks was. but yeah- he's kind of the face of el tri across the country... (sorry) talismanic. plus, he'd make for a good villain for the non-el tri fans.

but becks gave MLS a global presence in a way that chachi never will- plus becks really did work hard on the PR side of things for the league, let alone global jersey sales. 

 
I think the Mexican National Team might be the single most popular team in America.  

They can sell out almost any where they go.  Ten years ago it used to be limited to some major cities but the expansion and growth of the of Mexican's in the US has spread dramatically.

And for better or worse, I think Chicharito is seen as their biggest star.   I think he would be relatively easy to market across the US.

That being said I don't know if he is worth the kind of money they are talking about, especially if they start thinking about golden tickets like Becks got.
So, he's definitely their biggest star, but Gio was a pretty big star and he hasn't been a transformational marketing figure for MLS.  How long is Chicharito an autostart for El Tri, when they have some big time talent coming up and when Peralta is sometimes better for their system?  I don't know. 

 
agree with that, doemstically. 

from a talent standpoint- he's capable, in the same way becks was. but yeah- he's kind of the face of el tri across the country... (sorry) talismanic. plus, he'd make for a good villain for the non-el tri fans.

but becks gave MLS a global presence in a way that chachi never will- plus becks really did work hard on the PR side of things for the league, let alone global jersey sales. 
You are absolutely correct that Beckham crushed anything Chach could do for MLS globally.   This move would have to be judged purely on what he could provide off the field in the US.

If memory serves, I think that while Becks sold a ridiculous amount of shirts for the Galaxy, that he controlled the shirt revenue as part of his contract.  

 
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Another solid signing by Atlanta today.  They signed Carlos Carmona from Atalanta in Serie A.  He is 29 and has almost 50 caps for Chile.

 
DFB Pokal third round
Tuesday 2/7
Köln at Hamburger
Arminia Bielefeld (2nd division) at Astoria-Walldorf (4th division)
Wolfsburg at Bayern München
Greuther Fürth (2nd division) at Borussia Mönchengladbach

Wednesday 2/8
Sportfreunde Lotte (3rd division) at 1860 München (2nd division)
Schalke at Sandhausen (2nd division)
Hertha Berlin at Borussia Dortmund
Eintracht Frankfurt at Hannover (2nd division)

 
I'm not sure I see Chicharito as being that type of marketable star outside of LA. 
I think the Mexican National Team might be the single most popular team in America.  

They can sell out almost any where they go.  Ten years ago it used to be limited to a handful of major US cities but the expansion and growth of the Mexican population in the US has spread dramatically.

And for better or worse, I think Chicharito is seen as their biggest star.   I think he would be relatively easy to market across the US.

That being said I don't know if he is worth the kind of money they are talking about, especially if they start thinking about golden tickets like Becks got.
I can definitely see the thinking behind that...I know it'd be a big deal here locally.  

I'm "coaching" a mixed U12/U13 travel team in an urban league that's 90% hispanic (my 10yr old's coach asked me to run the team to get the boys exposed to a different style of play).  I've seen quite a few Chicharito jerseys in the stands.  Hell, this Sunday we're playing a team named "Mexico" where they have the full blown 2016 Mexico kits.  

 
Cosmos are moving to coney island, brooklyn cyclones stadium (mets farm team)- finally easily accessible by public transit. now they just need to replenish their team.

 
West Ham. Who knew the Irons were such ratings magnets?
The data is poorly presented IMO.

Because West Ham has a high percentage of games that they have played on NBC (25%), their average numbers are given a boost since NBC always draws significantly more viewers than NBCSN does.  For example you can compare the 25% number West Ham has to Man United which is only running at a 8% of their games on NBC.

It is always more useful for ratings data to compare apples to apples and as such NBCSN averages should be compared with NBCSN averages and NBC with NBC.  Mixing the numbers across networks with the significant imbalance in the schedule can lead to faulty conclusions.

 
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Cosmos are moving to coney island, brooklyn cyclones stadium (mets farm team)- finally easily accessible by public transit. now they just need to replenish their team.
I've watched a baseball game at that stadium.  The location is great but the seating for soccer won't be ideal.  The Cyclones play in a short season Class A league so they should be able to work out schedule conflicts but I wonder what their plan is for the infield dirt.

 
I've watched a baseball game at that stadium.  The location is great but the seating for soccer won't be ideal.  The Cyclones play in a short season Class A league so they should be able to work out schedule conflicts but I wonder what their plan is for the infield dirt.
Tbh, it looks like the same crappy seating-in microcosm- as Yankee stadium. But I can take my F train from door to door

 
Lahm hanging 'em up after this season. :(
His managers seemed to be of the opinion that his understanding of the game was unsurpassed. After  I read that  I tried to watch him and grok what they were saying but it was way too subtle for my novice eyes to detect. I wish  I understood this game better.

 
Doesn't he have the most FK goals in Barca history, or has Messi broken that one too?
Messi just broke it last weekend against Athletic.  A pretty soft one to break the record, but they all count.  

My first Barca jersey was a Koeman #4.  When he hit that laser against Sampdoria to win Barca's first European Cup, I screamed so loud I had neighbors asking if I was okay.  

 
So, he's definitely their biggest star, but Gio was a pretty big star and he hasn't been a transformational marketing figure for MLS.  How long is Chicharito an autostart for El Tri, when they have some big time talent coming up and when Peralta is sometimes better for their system?  I don't know. 
I agree that Gio is far from transformational but it is also worth noting that last year LA was both the largest road draw and largest TV draw on Univision channels in the league.  I am sure Gio was an important variable (among-st many variables obviously) in both of those stats.

 

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