Kafka
Footballguy
Just call him "Idiota"...or think of him as such...How dare you assume to know what Gator thinks...no wonder you're such a misanthrope.
@The Gator...correct Portuguese translation?
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@The Gator...correct Portuguese translation?
El Floppo
Footballguy
it's a carrot in terms of United- has nothing to do with AM. without CL, united are just a paycheck for now. with CL, they clearly have more appeal- to him as a player, and to the public's perception of him as a player- relative to united WITHOUT CL... not relative to AM, who are obviously the better team and better coached team.
Kafka
Footballguy
re: Floppo/Gator's "carrot talk"...WRONG THREAD.
...take it to the Triple Crown thread.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Don't forget Griezeman's best bud is Pogba!
CL makes United more attractive. Plus the EPL there is a better chance of a league title. Not sure AM has a title shot with RM and Barca. But I can see an argument for staying at AM, esp since they have been going deeper into the CL comp then any English team
CL makes United more attractive. Plus the EPL there is a better chance of a league title. Not sure AM has a title shot with RM and Barca. But I can see an argument for staying at AM, esp since they have been going deeper into the CL comp then any English team
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Atlético ended with 78 points (+43 GD) to Real's 93 and Barça's 90. United ended with 69 points (+25 GD) to Chelsea's 93 points and Spurs 86. I don't think United is that much closer to a domestic title than Atlético. Sure there's been more churn in EPL title winners over the last 5 years, but United hasn't been close in 4 seasons, where as Atlético won the la liga title 3 seasons ago. I'd say they are about even in odds for a domestic title win next season (below 10%).
B Maverick
Footballguy
Damn, didn't remember AM won the title 3 seasons ago. Still doesn't change my opinion much.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Carrot was a terrible way to put it. You don't chase carrots when you live in a carrot farm. And now I have one of my favorite Copyrights songs stuck in my head. Here's the opening:
Running after carrots on a stick
One day you'll finally catch up to it
And it tastes... just like... a carrot
Supposedly they help you see
But you don't want to see that clearly
Better off in a world blurred slightly
Then you won't notice
What will never be yours
It'll never be yours
https://youtu.be/wp13_lGm0mo
El Floppo
Footballguy
Just looking at betting Odds - United seem to be about the 3rd favorite in the EPL ~ 4/1 on average (behind Man City, Chelsea, ahead of Tottenham, Liverpool, Arsenal in that order)
Atletico are also 3rd favorite to win La Liga - but the odds are 55/1 behind the obvious.
Atletico are also 3rd favorite to win La Liga - but the odds are 55/1 behind the obvious.
B Maverick
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
Spurs were probably 6th favorite going into this season. A lot more betters on Man United/Liverpool/Arsenal in general.
If I were handicapping today - I'd say Chelsea, Spurs, United, City, Liverpool, Arsenal
But, so much unknown right now in terms of roster turnover. City and United both look to have heavy turnover - how long until they have a settled squad? Chelsea look to be in the best position to add to an existing squad - but if they lose Hazard and Costa - big boots to fill imo. I am not convinced Liverpool will ever play a style conducive to winning the EPL under Klopp. Arsenal are in for a few years in transition - imo. And Spurs will be playing in Wembley all season - that will be disruptive.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
B Maverick
Footballguy
and united/city were supposed to be battling for the top spot...
Agree with the above.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Did Lalas say anything about the difficulty Griez will have adjusting to the pace in England?One of the dumbest things I've heard Lalas say (yes, it's a long list) is that the "carrot of CL soccer at united" might lure him away from Atletico after Atletico has been in the QFs the past three years
I expect United would probably send him out for a Championship loan so he can get acclimated to the faster, more physical English game.
Kafka
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
I didn't hit on many, but I wasn't that far off other than Stoke. not bad, IMO.
eta: huh... I also got all my top 6 completely opposite.
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Kafka
Footballguy
tambien/ancora...in other Serie A news, your boys from Internazionale will sign Roma's coach Spalletti for next year. So typical...although instead of throwing lira around haphazardly, this time it's yen...
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EPL predictions sure to be wrong:
1. Man United - TSO has assembled the best team money can buy, outside of Spain and Germany. It remains to see how he will manage Europa, or if he sends a stand-in manager in his stead, along with a fully rotated squad. But, barring injury(s), I think this is the team that ends up on top by the end of the season. It may take a little bit to adjust to the style he wants to play, but I think they will figure it out soon enough.
2. Spurs -- Nothing flashy about this team, but it is the most settled squad among the contenders, essentially returning the same line-up, which was the youngest in the league last season. Wanyama is a better CM rotation candidate than last season, and I think Janssen will do well keeping Kane fresh all season. Not terribly deep, and stayed mostly injury free-last season, so that will also be key again this year - but most prolific attack, and stingiest defense from a year ago, should be better this season. Will once again be overlooked by many until about Christmas time.
3. Man City - On paper, the team most likely to compete with Man United for most talented. Last year was a frustrating year, for a team more-talented than the 4th place finish. Pep has his work cut out in moving out some of the old pieces, but a lot of talent on both sides of the ball.
4. Arsenal - might struggle at the start of the season with the injuries in the back, but should settle in for the long season and end in their preferred 4th slot.
5. Liverpool - Klopp, no European distractions, but it still feels like they are accumulating players more than they are building a team. A good team, but Klopp is just killing time until the German National team job opens up in a couple of years.
6. Chelsea - This may be optimistic. New coach, new system, same old players - emphasis on old. I expect Chelsea to struggle to get back to top-4 status until they can make some of the sweeping changes United made this summer.
7. Everton - top-5 or 6 maybe out of reach for the near term. But I like what Koeman did at Soton, and I think they will be right at the top of that next tier. Lets see how they spend the Stones (and maybe Lukaku) money.
8. Leicester City - not quite the highs of winning the league in 2016, nor the lows of fighting off relegation of 2015. Not a deep squad, but talented in what they do. If they can hold onto Mahrez, they can be in the mix for a Euro slot, if they can sign Gabigol, I might move them ahead of Man United...
9. Soton - Love what they did with Koeman - really don't know how the new manager will settle, but always a fun team to watch, and I am FM-nerd-fan of Hojbjerg, so I hope he settles well.
10. Meh - the rest don't matter. Hull is certain to be relegated, I'll go with West Brom and Middlesbrough to join Hull in the Championship in 2017/18
Got Spurs, City, and Everton right. Whiffed completely on United and Chelsea. Liverpool/Arsenal were always a toss-up. Soton was close. Really over-estimated Leicester.
Nailed Hull and Boro. West Brom finished in the top-half...oops.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
But the odds are forever not in their favor to do so again (while CR7 and Messi can still play).
shader
Footballguy
To all City fans on the board: 
City has already announced the following departures:
Clichy, Caballero, Navas, Sagna, Zabaleta
Pep clearing house.
Looking on their boards, they are quite confident of Kyle Walker @Sinn Fein
City has already announced the following departures:
Clichy, Caballero, Navas, Sagna, Zabaleta
Pep clearing house.
Looking on their boards, they are quite confident of Kyle Walker @Sinn Fein
Yeah - Walker is going to Manchester - either City or United. Reasons are reported to be partly money, partly personal. Nothing done yet, but its been reported he has close to burned his bridges at Spurs - though he is on the post-season tour to Hong Kong, and also represented Spurs at a PR event in South Korea yesterday.To all City fans on the board:
City has already announced the following departures:
Clichy, Caballero, Navas, Sagna, Zabaleta
Pep clearing house.
Looking on their boards, they are quite confident of Kyle Walker @Sinn Fein
I would guess ~£45M
ETA - his "marketing team" also posted a "Thank You" on instagram - so lots of people reading into that today. Probably just an end-of-the-season social media post by his team, but he is expected to be leaving shortly.
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El Floppo
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
Although Walker terrified me streaking downfield, I feel like Davies/Trippier are pretty good replacements.
Correct.
Right now Trippier would step up to number 1 (that was one of Walker's issues - he was rotated for some key matches - Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester United...). Spurs top prospect is Kyle Walker-Peters - which is ultimately what cost Yedlin a shot at Spurs (he could not beat out Trippier, and was not going to block KWP).
But Spurs, ITK have said they are looking to bring in a RB to compete with Trippier, and newspaper reports have linked Spurs with Danny Alves - though that seems far-fetched - given Spurs preference to sign younger players.
ETA - Trippier was just called up to England for the first time today...
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El Floppo
Footballguy
I really overvalued the Jose, Pogba, Zlat arrivals. I think each was good alone- but not optimal in combo with each other.
feel good about leicester. nailed that one.
El Floppo
Footballguy
alves... huh. yeah, that seems antithetical to the spurs mo. but it would be fun to see.
wonder where barkley ends up... he'd be another nice piece at spurs, behind kane and alli
shader
Footballguy
Big help to my Rotherham FM save. As was some guy named Onomah. A couple Tott loans smoked the Championship.
Walker is a better fullback, but Trippier is a better wingback - and Spurs seem to be moving towards a more regular 3-man back line.
Trippier had as many assists as Walker in the league (joint best with 5 each) - but Trippier played 570 minutes, Walker played 2700 minutes.
He is a controversial topic on Spurs Community - half want, half hate.
I think he would do well backing up Eriksen (and/or Dele) in the 2 spots behind Kane. The one position where Spurs currently have no adequate cover - is for Eriksen. They need to find a guy who can create, but can also chip in a few goals. I think Barkley can be that kind of guy - but a lot of folks think he is simply too dumb to be effective in the final third.
I think Spurs are leading the way for him - assuming Everton let him go. Koeman has been very critical of him, and gave an end of the season deadline for him to sign a new deal or be sold - he has 12 months remaining on his deal. But Everton have also quoted £50M - which will never happen for a guy in the last year of his contract. Even in an inflated market - can't see him going for more than £25-30M - at least to Spurs.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Thanks Moyesnice work on Leicester and the bottom 3
Jaysus
Good times!
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Native
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I'm trying not to laugh about this.
United qualifying for CL via Europa League final pushes Spurs to pot 3 in the draw
F'kn Spurs ...
United qualifying for CL via Europa League final pushes Spurs to pot 3 in the draw
F'kn Spurs ...
I promise - no more politics in here - but this was funny...
Ivanka Trump mistakes Legendary Lazio striker Giorgio Chinaglia for a saint
The President's daughter saw the Chinaglia photo and, according to the owner, asked: "Which saint is he?" to which Pantalone replied: "He is not a saint, but a great champion of Lazio."
Next lesson: Francesco Totti.
Ivanka Trump mistakes Legendary Lazio striker Giorgio Chinaglia for a saint
The President's daughter saw the Chinaglia photo and, according to the owner, asked: "Which saint is he?" to which Pantalone replied: "He is not a saint, but a great champion of Lazio."
Next lesson: Francesco Totti.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
That is brutal.
But I might be misunderstanding the article, specifically this part:
Ajax (67,212) would have joined Spurs in Pot 3 if they won at the Friends Arena
Why would Spurs be in Pot 3 if Ajax won? I thought the point of the article was that Spurs moved to pot 3 because Man U won.....?
No - Spurs were destined for Pot 3 - absent a slew of unlikely events in the play-offs leading to the Group stage - even if Ajax had won.
Spurs were in Pot 3 this year also...so not a new problem. They should have advanced this year - Monaco was a surprise legit team, but Spurs should have beaten Leverkusen.
Kafka
Footballguy
Yeah, but that would not be a mistake.I promise - no more politics in here - but this was funny...
Ivanka Trump mistakes Legendary Lazio striker Giorgio Chinaglia for a saint
The President's daughter saw the Chinaglia photo and, according to the owner, asked: "Which saint is he?" to which Pantalone replied: "He is not a saint, but a great champion of Lazio."
Next lesson: Francesco Totti.
shader
Footballguy
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40061812
It's official. Man City signed Bernardo Silva. That's an impressive signing, especially impressive how they did it so fast.
It's official. Man City signed Bernardo Silva. That's an impressive signing, especially impressive how they did it so fast.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I guess City will be competing fior ...
[puts on glasses]
Silva ware.
YEAAAHHHH!
[puts on glasses]
Silva ware.
YEAAAHHHH!
Kafka
Footballguy
Kafka
Footballguy
Ok guys, gonna have to grant me some leeway here this weekend with all the the Santo Totti rhetoric (I know, I know..."why should this weekend be any different?") Anyways, Maradonna stated yesterday that Totti was the greatest he's ever seen play, to which Er Pupone replied: "Now, I can retire!" Given Diego's penchant for hyperbole, especially considering current events, it still was pretty cool...marching powder or not. 
..,good to see you back amongst the heathens...
