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QuizGuy66
Footballguy
The dynamics of the whole thing are fascinating.
Platini stupidly/corruptly being in favor of Qatar is incidental at this point - the corruption investigations really are just part of the larger dynamics at play. (Part of me also wonders if Blatter not supporting Qatar was as much about plausible deniability as anything else). Then again for Platini maybe it's about always being on the opposite side of Blatter and if Blatter was pro-Qatar than Platini would have had red white and blue underoos on.
UEFA's bigger beef is a system whereby Montserrat and Germany have the same voting strength. And that the situation is proving to put them on the wrong side of too many votes. And at the end of the day they know who really drives the train.
For the countries in the minnow confederations, with UEFA upping the ante, they now have to decide if Sepp is really the hill they want to die on (I suspect that most of them really don't care and will stay with the crook that brought them). I do think the possilbility of UEFA blowing it all up though is more than a little real, taking the lions share of the top 15 countries with them.
The other confeds end up with a choice, and it's not necessarily a pleasant one.
The new alignment may have the new UEFIFA pluck the top CONCACAF sides (I think the US would have no issue going with them and Canada probably too). As for Mexico - that depends on what CONMEBOL decides. While there are implications about the Copa bidding CONMEBOL w/o the bulk of UEFA teams stands to lose a lot. Whereas UEFA (minus Eastern bloc) plus CONMEBOL plus US and Mexico (okay Canada too) keeps the largest share of money there for them.
A reflective African or Asian country will have to think about this and gauge if the UEFA threat is real. This is where the chance comes in for Sepp to lose. Though I still think it's a long shot.
The winner needs, what, like 105 votes. IfBin Haman Ali is going to get there, I think ultimately the path is through Asia (after all he is an Asian confed candidate) and South America (if they legitimately think UEFA is serious about leaving).
Figure about 45 votes from UEFA. Maybe 5 from CONCACAF (if say the likes of Puerto Rico were to vote with big brother). If you can get say 7 from CONMEBOL that's 52. Still a very tough hill to climb - it depends on how cohesive CAF is - if nothing at all can be gotten out of theirBin Haman Ali is sunk.
Soccer World War!!!!!!
-QG
Platini stupidly/corruptly being in favor of Qatar is incidental at this point - the corruption investigations really are just part of the larger dynamics at play. (Part of me also wonders if Blatter not supporting Qatar was as much about plausible deniability as anything else). Then again for Platini maybe it's about always being on the opposite side of Blatter and if Blatter was pro-Qatar than Platini would have had red white and blue underoos on.
UEFA's bigger beef is a system whereby Montserrat and Germany have the same voting strength. And that the situation is proving to put them on the wrong side of too many votes. And at the end of the day they know who really drives the train.
For the countries in the minnow confederations, with UEFA upping the ante, they now have to decide if Sepp is really the hill they want to die on (I suspect that most of them really don't care and will stay with the crook that brought them). I do think the possilbility of UEFA blowing it all up though is more than a little real, taking the lions share of the top 15 countries with them.
The other confeds end up with a choice, and it's not necessarily a pleasant one.
The new alignment may have the new UEFIFA pluck the top CONCACAF sides (I think the US would have no issue going with them and Canada probably too). As for Mexico - that depends on what CONMEBOL decides. While there are implications about the Copa bidding CONMEBOL w/o the bulk of UEFA teams stands to lose a lot. Whereas UEFA (minus Eastern bloc) plus CONMEBOL plus US and Mexico (okay Canada too) keeps the largest share of money there for them.
A reflective African or Asian country will have to think about this and gauge if the UEFA threat is real. This is where the chance comes in for Sepp to lose. Though I still think it's a long shot.
The winner needs, what, like 105 votes. If
Figure about 45 votes from UEFA. Maybe 5 from CONCACAF (if say the likes of Puerto Rico were to vote with big brother). If you can get say 7 from CONMEBOL that's 52. Still a very tough hill to climb - it depends on how cohesive CAF is - if nothing at all can be gotten out of their
Soccer World War!!!!!!
-QG
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QuizGuy66
Footballguy
See but this is where it's interesting - with Switzerland taking the lead in the 2018/2022 part of the probe it's possible that any Swiss nationals involved would be tried in Swiss courts.
-QG
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
I think Blatter has been planning this for a while - hence Russia and Qatar as the next two WCs. No chance either country extradites to US (or any other western-leaning country).
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Platini's corruption has a more legitimate veneer as it was done via the French government with established international French companies getting the Qatari contracts. That's almost impossible to prove in court. These CONCACAF/CONMEBOL guys are just your typical foot soldiers who know the basics, but not how to really properly shield themselves these days. I mean to actually have a contract listing the $110 million kickback is just unbelievable (and frankly sounds like an FBI sting operation...roll the sports media guys and have them put it in written form).
This is also why the Blatter part is so hard to prove. He knows what he's doing and frankly I wouldn't be too shocked if never took a penny. All he really has to do is travel/live on everyone else's dime and maintain the status quo.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Ukraine not weak. Ukraine strong.The dynamics of the whole thing are fascinating.
Platini stupidly/corruptly being in favor of Qatar is incidental at this point - the corruption investigations really are just part of the larger dynamics at play. (Part of me also wonders if Blatter not supporting Qatar was as much about plausible deniability as anything else). Then again for Platini maybe it's about always being on the opposite side of Blatter and if Blatter was pro-Qatar than Platini would have had red white and blue underoos on.
UEFA's bigger beef is a system whereby Montserrat and Germany have the same voting strength. And that the situation is proving to put them on the wrong side of too many votes. And at the end of the day they know who really drives the train.
For the countries in the minnow confederations, with UEFA upping the ante, they now have to decide if Sepp is really the hill they want to die on (I suspect that most of them really don't care and will stay with the crook that brought them). I do think the possilbility of UEFA blowing it all up though is more than a little real, taking the lions share of the top 15 countries with them.
The other confeds end up with a choice, and it's not necessarily a pleasant one.
The new alignment may have the new UEFIFA pluck the top CONCACAF sides (I think the US would have no issue going with them and Canada probably too). As for Mexico - that depends on what CONMEBOL decides. While there are implications about the Copa bidding CONMEBOL w/o the bulk of UEFA teams stands to lose a lot. Whereas UEFA (minus Eastern bloc) plus CONMEBOL plus US and Mexico (okay Canada too) keeps the largest share of money there for them.
A reflective African or Asian country will have to think about this and gauge if the UEFA threat is real. This is where the chance comes in for Sepp to lose. Though I still think it's a long shot.
The winner needs, what, like 105 votes. If Bin Haman is going to get there, I think ultimately the path is through Asia (after all he is an Asian confed candidate) and South America (if they legitimately think UEFA is serious about leaving).
Figure about 45 votes from UEFA. Maybe 5 from CONCACAF (if say the likes of Puerto Rico were to vote with big brother). If you can get say 7 from CONMEBOL that's 52. Still a very tough hill to climb - it depends on how cohesive CAF is - if nothing at all can be gotten out of their Bin Haman is sunk.
Soccer World War!!!!!!
-QG
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Yeah, that's what I was getting at with Blatter yesterday (and also why I don't think he'll just resign and cut and run to an extradition unfriendly country). Sepp Blatter gets everything he wants in life by being the head of FIFA. He has as much money as he desires and as opulent a lifestyle as he could want. And more importantly, he has a powerful fiefdom he can control simply by being in the position to assure people that he can make sure that the bodies they bury don't turn up. Why mess it up by taking bribes himself?
What hurts Blatter, IMO, is the possible perception that if Blatter can't protect these nine guys, he can't protect anyone else. And there goes the basis for his power. But that's why, IMO, Blatter is trying to float the perception that FIFA is cooperating. Its not so much PR as a threat. Come after me and everyone's house of cards falls. Of course, it sounds like Uncle Jack may already be in a position to do that.
Capella
Footballguy
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Native
Footballguy
Why would the US ever leave CONCACAF? They are the big dog in the region and are essentially assured a spot in every World Cup. Joining UEFA sounds like a conspiracy theory and doesn't make much sense IMO.The dynamics of the whole thing are fascinating.
Platini stupidly/corruptly being in favor of Qatar is incidental at this point - the corruption investigations really are just part of the larger dynamics at play. (Part of me also wonders if Blatter not supporting Qatar was as much about plausible deniability as anything else). Then again for Platini maybe it's about always being on the opposite side of Blatter and if Blatter was pro-Qatar than Platini would have had red white and blue underoos on.
UEFA's bigger beef is a system whereby Montserrat and Germany have the same voting strength. And that the situation is proving to put them on the wrong side of too many votes. And at the end of the day they know who really drives the train.
For the countries in the minnow confederations, with UEFA upping the ante, they now have to decide if Sepp is really the hill they want to die on (I suspect that most of them really don't care and will stay with the crook that brought them). I do think the possilbility of UEFA blowing it all up though is more than a little real, taking the lions share of the top 15 countries with them.
The other confeds end up with a choice, and it's not necessarily a pleasant one.
The new alignment may have the new UEFIFA pluck the top CONCACAF sides (I think the US would have no issue going with them and Canada probably too). As for Mexico - that depends on what CONMEBOL decides. While there are implications about the Copa bidding CONMEBOL w/o the bulk of UEFA teams stands to lose a lot. Whereas UEFA (minus Eastern bloc) plus CONMEBOL plus US and Mexico (okay Canada too) keeps the largest share of money there for them.
A reflective African or Asian country will have to think about this and gauge if the UEFA threat is real. This is where the chance comes in for Sepp to lose. Though I still think it's a long shot.
The winner needs, what, like 105 votes. If Bin Haman Ali is going to get there, I think ultimately the path is through Asia (after all he is an Asian confed candidate) and South America (if they legitimately think UEFA is serious about leaving).
Figure about 45 votes from UEFA. Maybe 5 from CONCACAF (if say the likes of Puerto Rico were to vote with big brother). If you can get say 7 from CONMEBOL that's 52. Still a very tough hill to climb - it depends on how cohesive CAF is - if nothing at all can be gotten out of their Bin Haman Ali is sunk.
Soccer World War!!!!!!
-QG
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Jon Stewart says FIFA reps are going to jail for all the money they STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLE!
If UEFA and CONMEBOL pull out, the WC is meaningless.Why would the US ever leave CONCACAF? They are the big dog in the region and are essentially assured a spot in every World Cup. Joining UEFA sounds like a conspiracy theory and doesn't make much sense IMO.The dynamics of the whole thing are fascinating.
Platini stupidly/corruptly being in favor of Qatar is incidental at this point - the corruption investigations really are just part of the larger dynamics at play. (Part of me also wonders if Blatter not supporting Qatar was as much about plausible deniability as anything else). Then again for Platini maybe it's about always being on the opposite side of Blatter and if Blatter was pro-Qatar than Platini would have had red white and blue underoos on.
UEFA's bigger beef is a system whereby Montserrat and Germany have the same voting strength. And that the situation is proving to put them on the wrong side of too many votes. And at the end of the day they know who really drives the train.
For the countries in the minnow confederations, with UEFA upping the ante, they now have to decide if Sepp is really the hill they want to die on (I suspect that most of them really don't care and will stay with the crook that brought them). I do think the possilbility of UEFA blowing it all up though is more than a little real, taking the lions share of the top 15 countries with them.
The other confeds end up with a choice, and it's not necessarily a pleasant one.
The new alignment may have the new UEFIFA pluck the top CONCACAF sides (I think the US would have no issue going with them and Canada probably too). As for Mexico - that depends on what CONMEBOL decides. While there are implications about the Copa bidding CONMEBOL w/o the bulk of UEFA teams stands to lose a lot. Whereas UEFA (minus Eastern bloc) plus CONMEBOL plus US and Mexico (okay Canada too) keeps the largest share of money there for them.
A reflective African or Asian country will have to think about this and gauge if the UEFA threat is real. This is where the chance comes in for Sepp to lose. Though I still think it's a long shot.
The winner needs, what, like 105 votes. If Bin Haman Ali is going to get there, I think ultimately the path is through Asia (after all he is an Asian confed candidate) and South America (if they legitimately think UEFA is serious about leaving).
Figure about 45 votes from UEFA. Maybe 5 from CONCACAF (if say the likes of Puerto Rico were to vote with big brother). If you can get say 7 from CONMEBOL that's 52. Still a very tough hill to climb - it depends on how cohesive CAF is - if nothing at all can be gotten out of their Bin Haman Ali is sunk.
Soccer World War!!!!!!
-QG
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
He's talking about UEFA going nuclear and leaving FIFA here, at which point the World Cup isn't really a "World" Cup anymore.Why would the US ever leave CONCACAF? They are the big dog in the region and are essentially assured a spot in every World Cup. Joining UEFA sounds like a conspiracy and doesn't make much sense IMO.The dynamics of the whole thing are fascinating.
Platini stupidly/corruptly being in favor of Qatar is incidental at this point - the corruption investigations really are just part of the larger dynamics at play. (Part of me also wonders if Blatter not supporting Qatar was as much about plausible deniability as anything else). Then again for Platini maybe it's about always being on the opposite side of Blatter and if Blatter was pro-Qatar than Platini would have had red white and blue underoos on.
UEFA's bigger beef is a system whereby Montserrat and Germany have the same voting strength. And that the situation is proving to put them on the wrong side of too many votes. And at the end of the day they know who really drives the train.
For the countries in the minnow confederations, with UEFA upping the ante, they now have to decide if Sepp is really the hill they want to die on (I suspect that most of them really don't care and will stay with the crook that brought them). I do think the possilbility of UEFA blowing it all up though is more than a little real, taking the lions share of the top 15 countries with them.
The other confeds end up with a choice, and it's not necessarily a pleasant one.
The new alignment may have the new UEFIFA pluck the top CONCACAF sides (I think the US would have no issue going with them and Canada probably too). As for Mexico - that depends on what CONMEBOL decides. While there are implications about the Copa bidding CONMEBOL w/o the bulk of UEFA teams stands to lose a lot. Whereas UEFA (minus Eastern bloc) plus CONMEBOL plus US and Mexico (okay Canada too) keeps the largest share of money there for them.
A reflective African or Asian country will have to think about this and gauge if the UEFA threat is real. This is where the chance comes in for Sepp to lose. Though I still think it's a long shot.
The winner needs, what, like 105 votes. If Bin Haman Ali is going to get there, I think ultimately the path is through Asia (after all he is an Asian confed candidate) and South America (if they legitimately think UEFA is serious about leaving).
Figure about 45 votes from UEFA. Maybe 5 from CONCACAF (if say the likes of Puerto Rico were to vote with big brother). If you can get say 7 from CONMEBOL that's 52. Still a very tough hill to climb - it depends on how cohesive CAF is - if nothing at all can be gotten out of their Bin Haman Ali is sunk.
Soccer World War!!!!!!
-QG
If they do that, the U.S. almost certainly joins up with them. I think/hope it won't come to that though.
B Maverick
Footballguy
instead of EuroCup we could have the Europe vs the Americas Cup!He's talking about UEFA going nuclear and leaving FIFA here, at which point the World Cup isn't really a "World" Cup anymore.Why would the US ever leave CONCACAF? They are the big dog in the region and are essentially assured a spot in every World Cup. Joining UEFA sounds like a conspiracy and doesn't make much sense IMO.The dynamics of the whole thing are fascinating.
Platini stupidly/corruptly being in favor of Qatar is incidental at this point - the corruption investigations really are just part of the larger dynamics at play. (Part of me also wonders if Blatter not supporting Qatar was as much about plausible deniability as anything else). Then again for Platini maybe it's about always being on the opposite side of Blatter and if Blatter was pro-Qatar than Platini would have had red white and blue underoos on.
UEFA's bigger beef is a system whereby Montserrat and Germany have the same voting strength. And that the situation is proving to put them on the wrong side of too many votes. And at the end of the day they know who really drives the train.
For the countries in the minnow confederations, with UEFA upping the ante, they now have to decide if Sepp is really the hill they want to die on (I suspect that most of them really don't care and will stay with the crook that brought them). I do think the possilbility of UEFA blowing it all up though is more than a little real, taking the lions share of the top 15 countries with them.
The other confeds end up with a choice, and it's not necessarily a pleasant one.
The new alignment may have the new UEFIFA pluck the top CONCACAF sides (I think the US would have no issue going with them and Canada probably too). As for Mexico - that depends on what CONMEBOL decides. While there are implications about the Copa bidding CONMEBOL w/o the bulk of UEFA teams stands to lose a lot. Whereas UEFA (minus Eastern bloc) plus CONMEBOL plus US and Mexico (okay Canada too) keeps the largest share of money there for them.
A reflective African or Asian country will have to think about this and gauge if the UEFA threat is real. This is where the chance comes in for Sepp to lose. Though I still think it's a long shot.
The winner needs, what, like 105 votes. If Bin Haman Ali is going to get there, I think ultimately the path is through Asia (after all he is an Asian confed candidate) and South America (if they legitimately think UEFA is serious about leaving).
Figure about 45 votes from UEFA. Maybe 5 from CONCACAF (if say the likes of Puerto Rico were to vote with big brother). If you can get say 7 from CONMEBOL that's 52. Still a very tough hill to climb - it depends on how cohesive CAF is - if nothing at all can be gotten out of their Bin Haman Ali is sunk.
Soccer World War!!!!!!
-QG
If they do that, the U.S. almost certainly joins up with them. I think/hope it won't come to that though.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
I think there's a greater likelihood UEFA leaves FIFA than Blatter leaving the presidency. This is UEFA's best shot of getting world football setup how they want it.He's talking about UEFA going nuclear and leaving FIFA here, at which point the World Cup isn't really a "World" Cup anymore.Why would the US ever leave CONCACAF? They are the big dog in the region and are essentially assured a spot in every World Cup. Joining UEFA sounds like a conspiracy and doesn't make much sense IMO.The dynamics of the whole thing are fascinating.
Platini stupidly/corruptly being in favor of Qatar is incidental at this point - the corruption investigations really are just part of the larger dynamics at play. (Part of me also wonders if Blatter not supporting Qatar was as much about plausible deniability as anything else). Then again for Platini maybe it's about always being on the opposite side of Blatter and if Blatter was pro-Qatar than Platini would have had red white and blue underoos on.
UEFA's bigger beef is a system whereby Montserrat and Germany have the same voting strength. And that the situation is proving to put them on the wrong side of too many votes. And at the end of the day they know who really drives the train.
For the countries in the minnow confederations, with UEFA upping the ante, they now have to decide if Sepp is really the hill they want to die on (I suspect that most of them really don't care and will stay with the crook that brought them). I do think the possilbility of UEFA blowing it all up though is more than a little real, taking the lions share of the top 15 countries with them.
The other confeds end up with a choice, and it's not necessarily a pleasant one.
The new alignment may have the new UEFIFA pluck the top CONCACAF sides (I think the US would have no issue going with them and Canada probably too). As for Mexico - that depends on what CONMEBOL decides. While there are implications about the Copa bidding CONMEBOL w/o the bulk of UEFA teams stands to lose a lot. Whereas UEFA (minus Eastern bloc) plus CONMEBOL plus US and Mexico (okay Canada too) keeps the largest share of money there for them.
A reflective African or Asian country will have to think about this and gauge if the UEFA threat is real. This is where the chance comes in for Sepp to lose. Though I still think it's a long shot.
The winner needs, what, like 105 votes. If Bin Haman Ali is going to get there, I think ultimately the path is through Asia (after all he is an Asian confed candidate) and South America (if they legitimately think UEFA is serious about leaving).
Figure about 45 votes from UEFA. Maybe 5 from CONCACAF (if say the likes of Puerto Rico were to vote with big brother). If you can get say 7 from CONMEBOL that's 52. Still a very tough hill to climb - it depends on how cohesive CAF is - if nothing at all can be gotten out of their Bin Haman Ali is sunk.
Soccer World War!!!!!!
-QG
If they do that, the U.S. almost certainly joins up with them. I think/hope it won't come to that though.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Well we kinda get put in a tough spot though. What's the value of winning or going far in a World Cup where none of the real European powers are in it? FIFA minus UEFA countries isn't really FIFA.Native said:Why would the US ever leave CONCACAF? They are the big dog in the region and are essentially assured a spot in every World Cup. Joining UEFA sounds like a conspiracy theory and doesn't make much sense IMO.The dynamics of the whole thing are fascinating.
Platini stupidly/corruptly being in favor of Qatar is incidental at this point - the corruption investigations really are just part of the larger dynamics at play. (Part of me also wonders if Blatter not supporting Qatar was as much about plausible deniability as anything else). Then again for Platini maybe it's about always being on the opposite side of Blatter and if Blatter was pro-Qatar than Platini would have had red white and blue underoos on.
UEFA's bigger beef is a system whereby Montserrat and Germany have the same voting strength. And that the situation is proving to put them on the wrong side of too many votes. And at the end of the day they know who really drives the train.
For the countries in the minnow confederations, with UEFA upping the ante, they now have to decide if Sepp is really the hill they want to die on (I suspect that most of them really don't care and will stay with the crook that brought them). I do think the possilbility of UEFA blowing it all up though is more than a little real, taking the lions share of the top 15 countries with them.
The other confeds end up with a choice, and it's not necessarily a pleasant one.
The new alignment may have the new UEFIFA pluck the top CONCACAF sides (I think the US would have no issue going with them and Canada probably too). As for Mexico - that depends on what CONMEBOL decides. While there are implications about the Copa bidding CONMEBOL w/o the bulk of UEFA teams stands to lose a lot. Whereas UEFA (minus Eastern bloc) plus CONMEBOL plus US and Mexico (okay Canada too) keeps the largest share of money there for them.
A reflective African or Asian country will have to think about this and gauge if the UEFA threat is real. This is where the chance comes in for Sepp to lose. Though I still think it's a long shot.
The winner needs, what, like 105 votes. If Bin Haman Ali is going to get there, I think ultimately the path is through Asia (after all he is an Asian confed candidate) and South America (if they legitimately think UEFA is serious about leaving).
Figure about 45 votes from UEFA. Maybe 5 from CONCACAF (if say the likes of Puerto Rico were to vote with big brother). If you can get say 7 from CONMEBOL that's 52. Still a very tough hill to climb - it depends on how cohesive CAF is - if nothing at all can be gotten out of their Bin Haman Ali is sunk.
Soccer World War!!!!!!
-QG
If UEFA pulls out of FIFA it really is open season and that's more my point.
-QG
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Sammy3469 said:I think there's a greater likelihood UEFA leaves FIFA than Blatter leaving the presidency. This is UEFA's best shot of getting world football setup how they want it.Spartans Rule said:He's talking about UEFA going nuclear and leaving FIFA here, at which point the World Cup isn't really a "World" Cup anymore.Native said:Why would the US ever leave CONCACAF? They are the big dog in the region and are essentially assured a spot in every World Cup. Joining UEFA sounds like a conspiracy and doesn't make much sense IMO.The dynamics of the whole thing are fascinating.
Platini stupidly/corruptly being in favor of Qatar is incidental at this point - the corruption investigations really are just part of the larger dynamics at play. (Part of me also wonders if Blatter not supporting Qatar was as much about plausible deniability as anything else). Then again for Platini maybe it's about always being on the opposite side of Blatter and if Blatter was pro-Qatar than Platini would have had red white and blue underoos on.
UEFA's bigger beef is a system whereby Montserrat and Germany have the same voting strength. And that the situation is proving to put them on the wrong side of too many votes. And at the end of the day they know who really drives the train.
For the countries in the minnow confederations, with UEFA upping the ante, they now have to decide if Sepp is really the hill they want to die on (I suspect that most of them really don't care and will stay with the crook that brought them). I do think the possilbility of UEFA blowing it all up though is more than a little real, taking the lions share of the top 15 countries with them.
The other confeds end up with a choice, and it's not necessarily a pleasant one.
The new alignment may have the new UEFIFA pluck the top CONCACAF sides (I think the US would have no issue going with them and Canada probably too). As for Mexico - that depends on what CONMEBOL decides. While there are implications about the Copa bidding CONMEBOL w/o the bulk of UEFA teams stands to lose a lot. Whereas UEFA (minus Eastern bloc) plus CONMEBOL plus US and Mexico (okay Canada too) keeps the largest share of money there for them.
A reflective African or Asian country will have to think about this and gauge if the UEFA threat is real. This is where the chance comes in for Sepp to lose. Though I still think it's a long shot.
The winner needs, what, like 105 votes. If Bin Haman Ali is going to get there, I think ultimately the path is through Asia (after all he is an Asian confed candidate) and South America (if they legitimately think UEFA is serious about leaving).
Figure about 45 votes from UEFA. Maybe 5 from CONCACAF (if say the likes of Puerto Rico were to vote with big brother). If you can get say 7 from CONMEBOL that's 52. Still a very tough hill to climb - it depends on how cohesive CAF is - if nothing at all can be gotten out of their Bin Haman Ali is sunk.
Soccer World War!!!!!!
-QG
If they do that, the U.S. almost certainly joins up with them. I think/hope it won't come to that though.
They get to blow things up without being blamed so much for it.
Think about it along the lines of the Big Power Conferences possibly leaving the NCAA.
-QG
Native
Footballguy
One of my favorite Twitter accounts. He was money all last summer. Man United looking to do business early and often this window. Gaitan is a 27 year old Attacking Mid. Does this signal the end of Mata's time with the club? Cost will supposedly be 20-25M pounds.
Futbol Agent @Futbol_Agent_ 5m5 minutes ago
BREAKING: Nicolas Gaitan to Man United is done. Deal expected to be done after Benfica's match on Friday. #MUFC
Futbol Agent @Futbol_Agent_ 5m5 minutes ago
BREAKING: Nicolas Gaitan to Man United is done. Deal expected to be done after Benfica's match on Friday. #MUFC
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Gaitan strikes me as more of a true winger than a central AM. But that's pretty much solely based on signing him in Football Manager and playing with Benfica in the My Player mode on FIFA. I don't see a ton of Benfica games.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Native
Footballguy
Such a noob. Until you watch his youtube highlights and read transfrmarkt/squaka like me, please keep the color commentary to yourself and leave the analysis to the experts.
Native
Footballguy
Ah I get it now.Spartans Rule said:He's talking about UEFA going nuclear and leaving FIFA here, at which point the World Cup isn't really a "World" Cup anymore.Native said:Why would the US ever leave CONCACAF? They are the big dog in the region and are essentially assured a spot in every World Cup. Joining UEFA sounds like a conspiracy and doesn't make much sense IMO.The dynamics of the whole thing are fascinating.
Platini stupidly/corruptly being in favor of Qatar is incidental at this point - the corruption investigations really are just part of the larger dynamics at play. (Part of me also wonders if Blatter not supporting Qatar was as much about plausible deniability as anything else). Then again for Platini maybe it's about always being on the opposite side of Blatter and if Blatter was pro-Qatar than Platini would have had red white and blue underoos on.
UEFA's bigger beef is a system whereby Montserrat and Germany have the same voting strength. And that the situation is proving to put them on the wrong side of too many votes. And at the end of the day they know who really drives the train.
For the countries in the minnow confederations, with UEFA upping the ante, they now have to decide if Sepp is really the hill they want to die on (I suspect that most of them really don't care and will stay with the crook that brought them). I do think the possilbility of UEFA blowing it all up though is more than a little real, taking the lions share of the top 15 countries with them.
The other confeds end up with a choice, and it's not necessarily a pleasant one.
The new alignment may have the new UEFIFA pluck the top CONCACAF sides (I think the US would have no issue going with them and Canada probably too). As for Mexico - that depends on what CONMEBOL decides. While there are implications about the Copa bidding CONMEBOL w/o the bulk of UEFA teams stands to lose a lot. Whereas UEFA (minus Eastern bloc) plus CONMEBOL plus US and Mexico (okay Canada too) keeps the largest share of money there for them.
A reflective African or Asian country will have to think about this and gauge if the UEFA threat is real. This is where the chance comes in for Sepp to lose. Though I still think it's a long shot.
The winner needs, what, like 105 votes. If Bin Haman Ali is going to get there, I think ultimately the path is through Asia (after all he is an Asian confed candidate) and South America (if they legitimately think UEFA is serious about leaving).
Figure about 45 votes from UEFA. Maybe 5 from CONCACAF (if say the likes of Puerto Rico were to vote with big brother). If you can get say 7 from CONMEBOL that's 52. Still a very tough hill to climb - it depends on how cohesive CAF is - if nothing at all can be gotten out of their Bin Haman Ali is sunk.
Soccer World War!!!!!!
-QG
If they do that, the U.S. almost certainly joins up with them. I think/hope it won't come to that though.
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Rog was on one of the big morning talk shows this morning. They seemed uncomfortable with the way he slips between serious commentary and over the top historical (comparing this to the Marshall Plan) or pop culture references. Also had an unfortunate if perhaps expected moment when the male just referred to,our new USAG as "Loretta Lynn." Otherwise a pretty good appearance.
Also saw on Twitter today, all ten of the top ten most clicked sports stories at NYT were FIFA stories.
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@SamBorden: BREAKING: Sunil Gulati, US Soccer pres, says USA will vote for Prince Ali in #FIFA election. Canada Soccer Assoc. also supporting Prince Ali
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None of this is as exciting as Rog and Davo having the True Geordie on the Pod yesterday.
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Good Posting Judge
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*flamenco music starts playing* *crowd starts screaming* *man with mariachi mask starts running down the ramp towards the ring*
"BAH GAWD, It's Luis Figo!"
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CletiusMaximus
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I'll have to track that down. Have given up on the MiB since Brazil over saturation.
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Sunil expressed some doubts about next years Copa :(
Shame, while the Copa was not going to be a WC, it was going to be enormous here in every way if all the big players came.
Shame, while the Copa was not going to be a WC, it was going to be enormous here in every way if all the big players came.
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The DOJ has evidence of massive bribes occurring related to the Copa. Sunil said that might cause the US not to be able to host it. It will still be played but probably down in South America I guess.
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Sunil also acknowledged that voting against Blatter will likely end any possibility of the US hosting the WC if he retains, not that it was in play anyway with the DOJ actions.
