titusbramble
Footballguy
Back to being a season ticket holder as of this morning. Less than 20 quid a game for what is a pretty good seat and Championship football is good value as far as I'm concerned
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Mjolnirs
Footballguy
Just to follow up.
BL1 playoff, Match 2, Hertha Berlin 2-0 Hamburg. Berlin stay in BL1, Hamburg stay in BL2
BL2 playoff, Match 2, Kaiserslautern 2-0 Dresden. Kaiserslautern earn promotion to BL2, Dresden drops to BL3
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
A 3rd division team in the quarter finals! 
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U.S. Open Cup quarterfinals:
Sacramento (USLC) at LA Galaxy, June 21
NYCFC at Red Bulls, June 22
Omaha (USLL1) at Kansas City, June 22
Nashville at Orlando, June 29
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U.S. Open Cup quarterfinals:
Sacramento (USLC) at LA Galaxy, June 21
NYCFC at Red Bulls, June 22
Omaha (USLL1) at Kansas City, June 22
Nashville at Orlando, June 29
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
69% of all Champions League Final appearances (93/134), and 81% of all CL titles (54/67), come from just 12 teams, who have each appeared in a final at least three times.
Who are they and how many times has each team made the finals?
Can you name the three teams that have a losing record in their 3+ finals appearances? Which of the three appeared three times without a win?
Which two teams, not on the list above, have appeared in exactly two finals and won it twice?
Who are they and how many times has each team made the finals?
Can you name the three teams that have a losing record in their 3+ finals appearances? Which of the three appeared three times without a win?
Which two teams, not on the list above, have appeared in exactly two finals and won it twice?
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
OK, trying this off the top of my head
Real Madrid, Benfica, AC Milan, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Liverpool, Manchester United, Ajax, Inter Milan, Juventus, Dortmund, Frankfurt
Dortmund, Juventus, Frankfurt (0-3)
Chelsea, Gladbach
Not sure about Frankfurt, but I know they lost at least one final to the DiStefano Madrid team. I also can only remember two Dortmund finals, so I’m guessing they made a third. Those Gladbach/Nottingham Forrest 70s years are tough without googling.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Bah, I totally thought of every miss (the three time loser and the two two-winners with no losses). Just talked myself out of them.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
10/12 (not Dortmund, not Frankfurt)
1/3 (not Dortmund, not Frankfurt)
0/2 (Chelsea are 2/3)
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Chelsea could be part of the first group, having appeared in three finals and won 2.
I think Atletico Madrid are 0-3 in finals. Porto are 2-0 in the Champions League era, but they may have played in one back in the day that I don't know about.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Yep, Chelsea are the 11th team with 3+ appearances.
Yep, Porto are one of the two who've played twice and won twice.
Yep, Atletico is the 12th team with 3+ finals, and is one of the teams (along with Juve, already named) that have played 3+ and have a losing record.
Still missing one of the teams with 3+ appearances and a losing record, and one of the teams that is 2-0 in finals.
Hint for the first team: both Juventus and this team are 2-7, having made nine finals appearances.
Hint for the second team: you'll need to try 'n rough this one out -- it's not an obvious team from a 2022 POV.
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Desert_Power
Footballguy
Oh, this one is Nottingham Forest right? They won two in a row sometime before I was born
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
try n' rough, Brian Clough
Correct, Nottingham Forest in 1979 and 1980 -- part of a Liverpool, Liverpool, Forest, Forest, Liverpool, Aston Villa six-year run for English teams.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Juve (2-7), Atletico (0-3), and Benfica (2-7) are the three teams with 3+ appearances and a losing record.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Love this. Monster crowds for two hours despite the loss last night.
Each of the last few seasons has been incredible. 2018 was the unexpected CL final. 2019 was the fight to the death with City and the CL win. 2020 and the first title in 30 years. 2021 they go 3-1-8 in the new year with half the team out, then close 8-2-0 with Nat Phillips and Rhys Williams in central defense to make the CL this year. And now the Cup double, fight to the death with City II, and another CL final appearance.
Golden times. The Big Red Machine of my youth, DC United's run as a young adult, and now this. Lived a lucky sporting life.
Each of the last few seasons has been incredible. 2018 was the unexpected CL final. 2019 was the fight to the death with City and the CL win. 2020 and the first title in 30 years. 2021 they go 3-1-8 in the new year with half the team out, then close 8-2-0 with Nat Phillips and Rhys Williams in central defense to make the CL this year. And now the Cup double, fight to the death with City II, and another CL final appearance.
Golden times. The Big Red Machine of my youth, DC United's run as a young adult, and now this. Lived a lucky sporting life.
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McBokonon
Footballguy
Charlotte FC fires Ramirez
I still don’t follow MLS too closely (hard for me when I don’t have a favorite team) but is this a little rash?
I still don’t follow MLS too closely (hard for me when I don’t have a favorite team) but is this a little rash?
Poke_4_Life
Footballguy
(I follow the league but not real closely.)
Initial reactions I read online said it was quite rash.
Expansion team hovering near a playoff position. A loss at Seattle 2-1 was right before the sacking. Seattle is traditionally a powerhouse, so losing there is the final nail? Doesn't make sense to me.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
He's (rightly) criticized the roster construction and David Tepper just seems every bit the image of a thin-skinned multibillionaire. His organization that runs FC and the Panthers has also had a lot of turnover in the front office recently.
As a coach he is OK. Pretty likable and seemed a straight shooter. Tried to play a possession oriented approach not unlike his somewhat doppleganger Pep, but the team has a pretty weak midfield. Didn't help that Charlotte sold their most talented MF a couple of weeks before the season starts. As a result, the team wins points based on having a really good keeper (Kahlina) and some impressive interplay among the forwards (Swiderski, Bender, and Shinyashiki).
There is room to criticize the tactics, but not even close to enough to sack the coach. Particularly with the team doing much better than expectations and being among the league leaders in attendance.
Tepper seems like a clown and is also running the Panthers very poorly. Glad he opened the checkbook for a team, but he really needs to let other people run the day-to-day.
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Desert_Power
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
He's (rightly) criticized the roster construction and David Tepper just seems every bit the image of a thin-skinned multibillionaire. His organization that runs FC and the Panthers has also had a lot of turnover in the front office recently.
As a coach he is OK. Pretty likable and seemed a straight shooter. Tried to play a possession oriented approach not unlike his somewhat doppleganger Pep, but the team has a pretty weak midfield. Didn't help that Charlotte sold their most talented MF a couple of weeks before the season starts. As a result, the team wins points based on having a really good keeper (Kahlina) and some impressive interplay among the forwards (Swiderski, Bender, and Shinyashiki).
There is room to criticize the tactics, but not even close to enough to sack the coach. Particularly with the team doing much better than expectations and being among the league leaders in attendance.
Tepper seems like a clown and is also running the Panthers very poorly. Glad he opened the checkbook for a team, but he really needs to let other people run the day-to-day.
with an answer like this below I can only come to one of two conclusions.
1) Something happened off the field
2) Imcompetance in the front office
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Charlotte FC's Sporting Director Zoran Krneta on the club firing Miguel Angel Ramirez after 14 games: "There's not much point to speculate what exactly happened. I don’t want to go into details. It’s not going to help anybody. ... We wanted to change direction, that's it. That's all I can say."
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titusbramble
Footballguy
Nothing more he can do domestically, Bayern seem a bit off being able to do anything in the CL, maybe wants to try something new
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
ohhhhhhhh
I am never a big fan of the inmates running the asylum but this may provide some context
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John Hayes
@JohnHayesOnAir
What I’ve come to understand regarding Charlotte FC firing Miguel Angel Ramirez is that a Designated Player refused to play for the club after the international break if MAR was still in charge. This provides context on Zoran’s statement “we had no choice, we had to do it.”
I am never a big fan of the inmates running the asylum but this may provide some context
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John Hayes
@JohnHayesOnAir
What I’ve come to understand regarding Charlotte FC firing Miguel Angel Ramirez is that a Designated Player refused to play for the club after the international break if MAR was still in charge. This provides context on Zoran’s statement “we had no choice, we had to do it.”
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Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
This is rash. There has to be something more to this. Like a Petr Nowak at Union like a decade ago type issue going on here. If you don't know about that incident look it up. PN basically physically and mentally abused the players. There was also rumors he got take from one of the Union scouts for purchasing South American Players from specific countries as PN was also the Technical Director as well.
So this seems rash unless there is behind the scenes issues we don't know about yet.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Contract is out soon and he's dominated Domestically. Bayern has struggled in the CCL and maybe he wants to go somewhere he could win the CCL sooner then later. He's getting up there in age and is 1 1/2 months younger then me as we're both 34 this summer. So you can see why he might want to try something new.
It's a pipe dream but Lewandowski is the type of Striker Milan could use right now but they don't have the money nor do I think they'd go for an older player like him. If he was in his young 2Os Id say there was a chance to get him.
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
It really depends on the player. If this was say a Messi/Ibra or back in the day Totti/Maldini and this happened I'd say yeah you side with the player. But in MLS for a DP? Your DP better be one of the top stars in the league for that to happen. If not just tell the player suck it up butter cup or we'll transfer you but until then you're suspended without pay.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I think they low balled him on his contract extension and he said he felt disrespected as well. Not only that but I think he'd like to try going somewhere else now.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Didn't see the initial article but Milan's Ivan Gazidis who use to run Arsenal had some choice words about the Super League
TTLTR Version: Basically he says the EPL is a Super League already and the league was viewed quite differently in Italy then England. Saying the English clubs were the bigger pushes for creating the league. Inter and Milan only joined do to financial reasons and nothing. He was against it at Arsenal as well he says. Also says if the EPL continues to have the power they do in UEFA he fears the worse for soccer eventually. Goes after FFP but too many loopholes to work the way it was intended right now. He then goes on to praise the job Elliot the owners of Milan and everyone has done to get the club financials in good health again and how big winning the League was this year despite everything.
TTLTR Version: Basically he says the EPL is a Super League already and the league was viewed quite differently in Italy then England. Saying the English clubs were the bigger pushes for creating the league. Inter and Milan only joined do to financial reasons and nothing. He was against it at Arsenal as well he says. Also says if the EPL continues to have the power they do in UEFA he fears the worse for soccer eventually. Goes after FFP but too many loopholes to work the way it was intended right now. He then goes on to praise the job Elliot the owners of Milan and everyone has done to get the club financials in good health again and how big winning the League was this year despite everything.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I've seen speculation he is the one.Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
#9s seem to rarely like this type of system, but he has looked pretty tired at times to me. Game against Vancouver and it was clear how much more energy the attack had after he came off. Rios scored quickly.
Second time there has been some drama with him this year.
DJackson10
Footballguy
B Maverick
Footballguy
Oh darn, United has announced that Pogba has officially left the club.
Oh darn, United has announced that Lingard has officially left the club.
Pogba has all the talent in the world but he doesn't fit in the EPL. He is inconsistent and you never know what you will get from game to game. His agent (RIP) was also a major issue. Pogba was not someone to build around and probably should have been sold a few years ago. To be fair to him, his return did come with unrealistic expectations. I believe his stats lined up with his time at Juve, but United fans expected more due to his price tag and his return "home". Did he have his moments? Yes. Was he a bust? No, it just didn't work out.
Lingard is another example of someone who should have left years ago. He did produce some great moments but he was never good enough for a team challenging for titles. The loyalty to an academy player was over the top and he was always treated like he was young and could improve. He'll be 30 in Dec. As teams packed it in vs United, it exposed his lack of vision. His effort was excellent but he needed to learn to work smarter not harder. He would make any mid table team better but will not put a challenger over the top. His wage demands may keep him out until he humbles himself.
Oh darn, United has announced that Lingard has officially left the club.
Pogba has all the talent in the world but he doesn't fit in the EPL. He is inconsistent and you never know what you will get from game to game. His agent (RIP) was also a major issue. Pogba was not someone to build around and probably should have been sold a few years ago. To be fair to him, his return did come with unrealistic expectations. I believe his stats lined up with his time at Juve, but United fans expected more due to his price tag and his return "home". Did he have his moments? Yes. Was he a bust? No, it just didn't work out.
Lingard is another example of someone who should have left years ago. He did produce some great moments but he was never good enough for a team challenging for titles. The loyalty to an academy player was over the top and he was always treated like he was young and could improve. He'll be 30 in Dec. As teams packed it in vs United, it exposed his lack of vision. His effort was excellent but he needed to learn to work smarter not harder. He would make any mid table team better but will not put a challenger over the top. His wage demands may keep him out until he humbles himself.
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
As others have mentioned, I think he wants a new experience. He's won all he can in Munich. His contract runs through next season, and maybe they did low ball him on the extension.
El Floppo
Footballguy
thanks guys. I figured he wanted new challenges, but the media I've been skimming keeps inferring it was contentious. thought it was something more than just the contract dispute.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Redbird has bought Milan for $1.3B with Elliot keeping 3O% and if a stadium is built will receive another payday for that. Gerry Cardinale the owner of the Company based in NYC USA is a Philadelphia Suburbs native so I got some local ties to the new owner here.
El Floppo
Footballguy
B Maverick
Footballguy
Mata joins the exodus. He is one I wouldn't have minded if he stayed and am ok with him leaving. Proper professional, still good on the ball. Often left out by Ole and his inability to rotate, and usually played out of position in his time at United. Good luck Juan.
Pogba, Lingard, Mata, Grant, Matic, Cavani all gone. Saves almost £1M per week in wages.
Up next, hopefully: Pereirra and Jones.
Other potential departures: Telles, AWB, Martial, Bailley
To bad on Martial and Bailley, both have the potential to be class.
titusbramble
Footballguy
Mata might be one of the most underappreciated players of the last decade
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
This is heartbreaking. 
I have always considered it a toss up as to whether FIFA or UEFA is the most despicable sporting organization on earth but this whole ordeal in France at the finals is putting UEFA over the top, especially in blaming the fans.
https://i.imgur.com/GCF9o8w.jpg
I have always considered it a toss up as to whether FIFA or UEFA is the most despicable sporting organization on earth but this whole ordeal in France at the finals is putting UEFA over the top, especially in blaming the fans.
https://i.imgur.com/GCF9o8w.jpg
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Damn, I really liked Arlo.
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John Ourand
@Ourand_SBJ
Reports have @arlowhite moving on from NBC's Premier League coverage
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Arlo White
@arlowhite
Thank you gents. One day I’ll tell you how it all went down. I appreciate your kindness
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John Ourand
@Ourand_SBJ
Reports have @arlowhite moving on from NBC's Premier League coverage
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Arlo White
@arlowhite
Thank you gents. One day I’ll tell you how it all went down. I appreciate your kindness
El Floppo
Footballguy
I didn't feel like he knew the game terribly well- but well enough. and I still loved his pacing and calls- has a great sense of when to shut up, when to defer to color commentator... key for a play by play guy.
I'm sure we'll get that clown they tried to foist on us for that WC a couple cycles ago... american super genius.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
When I am watching, sometimes my daughter raises her nose out of her book and utters some of the few words she will say all day, like "is that the guy from Ted Lasso?" before lowering her head again.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Peter Drury (widely regarded as the best English play-by-play announcer) will be replacing Arlo.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I realize that it's mostly only the last resort of qualifying but Holland thrashed Belgium in Nation's League and look to be a tough out in November. They've paired up Nathan Ake with Virgil in back, De Jong might have been the best middie on the pitch and Memphis had a brace, the second of which was pretty sweet.
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