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since "big" money bought City and Chelsea, it's tilted the field in their favor to be repeatedly in the hunt for top 2. United and Arsenal have to keep up $$-wise, or drop out of that top 2 hunt. Liverpool, etc... regardless of history, can't appear to keep up- so will have to do their best to fight it out for scraps.

we're all aware of that bit of kinda obviousness... right? that the money of new-ownership this century created a sea-change for Chelsea and City?

 
El Floppo said:
since "big" money bought City and Chelsea, it's tilted the field in their favor to be repeatedly in the hunt for top 2. United and Arsenal have to keep up $$-wise, or drop out of that top 2 hunt. Liverpool, etc... regardless of history, can't appear to keep up- so will have to do their best to fight it out for scraps.

we're all aware of that bit of kinda obviousness... right? that the money of new-ownership this century created a sea-change for Chelsea and City?
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It was the double whammy of new money, followed shortly by restrictions on teams using owner money.

I do think that Spurs and Liverpool can close the gap, financially. Spurs are obviously getting a new stadium with nearly double the capacity, and I think Liverpool are expanding Anfield.

The problem then becomes you have 6 teams with the financial clout to attract key players - but only 4 (maybe 3) CL spots. So, soon you may not have any "guaranteed" CL teams. On top of that, we saw the effect of the new TV money on the mid-table teams this year - 1. they can spend and bring in their own talent, and 2. they can't be forced to sell to the top teams.

The FA is working hard to reduce the number of foreign players in the PL, which will create further pressure on the teams to produce players from within their own academies, and make it more difficult for teams to rely on foreigners. Thus, money will not be the determining factor - but rather the ability to sign the "right" players will become more important. (Teams won't be able to afford expensive "misses"). I think the net effect will be to bunch the top-6 teams, and allow teams like Everton or Southampton to make the occasional run at a top spot - because there will not be much separating the teams

 
El Floppo said:
since "big" money bought City and Chelsea, it's tilted the field in their favor to be repeatedly in the hunt for top 2. United and Arsenal have to keep up $$-wise, or drop out of that top 2 hunt. Liverpool, etc... regardless of history, can't appear to keep up- so will have to do their best to fight it out for scraps.

we're all aware of that bit of kinda obviousness... right? that the money of new-ownership this century created a sea-change for Chelsea and City?
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My only quibble would be with United. I thought they'd have a much tougher time reloading, and while the process is still going on, I've been more than impressed with both their financial wherewithal and ability to get most (obviously not all) of the talent they wanted.

I think the current pecking order is:

City

United

Chelsea

Arsenal

Liverpool

Tottenham

Everyone else

 
The other downside to parity in the PL is that EPL teams will continue to struggle against the giants from Spain, Germany, Italy and even France, where the system still pushes the best domestic talents to the top of those leagues.

 
Sammy3469 said:
El Floppo said:
since "big" money bought City and Chelsea, it's tilted the field in their favor to be repeatedly in the hunt for top 2. United and Arsenal have to keep up $$-wise, or drop out of that top 2 hunt. Liverpool, etc... regardless of history, can't appear to keep up- so will have to do their best to fight it out for scraps.

we're all aware of that bit of kinda obviousness... right? that the money of new-ownership this century created a sea-change for Chelsea and City?
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My only quibble would be with United. I thought they'd have a much tougher time reloading, and while the process is still going on, I've been more than impressed with both their financial wherewithal and ability to get most (obviously not all) of the talent they wanted.

I think the current pecking order is:

City

United

Chelsea

Arsenal

Liverpool

Tottenham

Everyone else
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I'd actually put United at the top - I think they generate far more global revenue than any other team

Man United £433.2m

Man City £348.3m

Chelsea £324.4m

Arsenal £300.5m

Liverpool £255.8m

Tottenham £180.5m

In the era of FFP - which limits owner-funded spending sprees - revenue is going to drive spending, and nobody can match United.

 
Despite the obvious and plentiful reasons against doing it, I feel compelled to point out that I am currently in first place in our little fantasy league. This may never happen again in our lifetimes.

:agueromumblemumble:

 
Sinn Fein said:
I'd actually put United at the top - I think they generate far more global revenue than any other team

Man United £433.2m

Man City £348.3m

Chelsea £324.4m

Arsenal £300.5m

Liverpool £255.8m

Tottenham £180.5m

In the era of FFP - which limits owner-funded spending sprees - revenue is going to drive spending, and nobody can match United.
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I was, but their debt scares me a little bit (for the purposes of this discussion). They can obviously service it, but until it's diminished, their full spending power won't be released.

 
roadkill1292 said:
Despite the obvious and plentiful reasons against doing it, I feel compelled to point out that I am currently in first place in our little fantasy league. This may never happen again in our lifetimes.

:agueromumblemumble:
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Pretty sure I am in last place... even with Aguero :bag:

 
Kinda surprised Arsenal's worldwide revenue isn't higher. They always make a point to talk about how they have a huge international following. I can't imagine Chelsea and City have the same level of international following that Arsenal does.

 
Steve Tasker said:
Kinda surprised Arsenal's worldwide revenue isn't higher. They always make a point to talk about how they have a huge international following. I can't imagine Chelsea and City have the same level of international following that Arsenal does.
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Chelsea's I can see, but not City's. I think it's inflated like their attendances at home and whatever the Shiek can pay for through one of his other companies.

 
The Gator said:
Steve Tasker said:
Kinda surprised Arsenal's worldwide revenue isn't higher. They always make a point to talk about how they have a huge international following. I can't imagine Chelsea and City have the same level of international following that Arsenal does.
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Chelsea's I can see, but not City's. I think it's inflated like their attendances at home and whatever the Shiek can pay for through one of his other companies.
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Yeah, makes you wonder exactly what goes into the figures.

 
Steve Tasker said:
The Gator said:
Steve Tasker said:
Kinda surprised Arsenal's worldwide revenue isn't higher. They always make a point to talk about how they have a huge international following. I can't imagine Chelsea and City have the same level of international following that Arsenal does.
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Chelsea's I can see, but not City's. I think it's inflated like their attendances at home and whatever the Shiek can pay for through one of his other companies.
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Yeah, makes you wonder exactly what goes into the figures.
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I assume Etihad pays the bulk of it in kit sponsorship...

 
Sinn Fein said:
Steve Tasker said:
The Gator said:
Steve Tasker said:
Kinda surprised Arsenal's worldwide revenue isn't higher. They always make a point to talk about how they have a huge international following. I can't imagine Chelsea and City have the same level of international following that Arsenal does.
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Chelsea's I can see, but not City's. I think it's inflated like their attendances at home and whatever the Shiek can pay for through one of his other companies.
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Yeah, makes you wonder exactly what goes into the figures.
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I assume Etihad pays the bulk of it in kit sponsorship...
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City's FFP sanctions last year were a result of sweetheart deals that were determined to be above FMV (same with PSG). There are likely still some insider deals that are not arm's length, but at least someone is watching so they can't go hog wild. I've no doubt that Arsenal's brand is still much stronger than City or Chelsea worldwide, but that doesn't automatically translate into commercial revenue. These two new money clubs are very much focused on marketing and generating commercial revenue, building the brand, etc. Chelsea's new kit deal with Yokahama is part of the Asia strategy - including preseson tours and other commercial partnerships.

 
El Floppo said:
Sinn Fein said:
FIFA provisionally suspends Blatter for 90 days.

The end is nigh!
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I think these comments pretty much sum up FIFA

Blatter's adviser Klauss Stohlker told BBC Sport: "The news was communicated to the president this afternoon. He is calm. Remember he is the father of the ethics committee.

"This is provisional for 90 days but he is not actually suspended. The committee has not yet made a decision and their meetings continue."
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I've decided to suspend myself for 90 days. However, I will be appealing my suspension indefinitely.

 
Steve Tasker said:
El Floppo said:
Sinn Fein said:
FIFA provisionally suspends Blatter for 90 days.

The end is nigh!
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I think these comments pretty much sum up FIFA

Blatter's adviser Klauss Stohlker told BBC Sport: "The news was communicated to the president this afternoon. He is calm. Remember he is the father of the ethics committee.

"This is provisional for 90 days but he is not actually suspended. The committee has not yet made a decision and their meetings continue."
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I've decided to suspend myself for 90 days. However, I will be appealing my suspension indefinitely.
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and really.. how wrong can I possibly be?

 
Let's suppose Klopp is able to have success at Liverpool that is similar to what he did at Borussia. Is Liverpool really that far off Arsenal and Chelsea? Not financially. Liverpool is still a very rich club. Just not quite as rich as the other four at the moment.

But things can change quickly. If Liverpool becomes the most exciting attractive team in England, and Klopp makes Liverpool a fixture in the top 4, don't you think they have a chance to break into the top four financially? I do.

But most importantly, if Liverpool can win a title or two, that could really shake things up in England.

 
shader said:
Let's suppose Klopp is able to have success at Liverpool that is similar to what he did at Borussia. Is Liverpool really that far off Arsenal and Chelsea? Not financially. Liverpool is still a very rich club. Just not quite as rich as the other four at the moment.

But things can change quickly. If Liverpool becomes the most exciting attractive team in England, and Klopp makes Liverpool a fixture in the top 4, don't you think they have a chance to break into the top four financially? I do.

But most importantly, if Liverpool can win a title or two, that could really shake things up in England.
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Sure, but to be fair, if West Ham can win a title or two that would also really shake things up in England...and since West Ham already beat Liverpool 0-3 this year, I'd say they are more likely to win this year than Liverpool

 
Sinn you are doing good work in here. The delusional 'poolies keep wanking about Klopp, you keep beating them down w/ facts.

Carry on GB.

 
shader said:
Let's suppose Klopp is able to have success at Liverpool that is similar to what he did at Borussia. Is Liverpool really that far off Arsenal and Chelsea? Not financially. Liverpool is still a very rich club. Just not quite as rich as the other four at the moment.

But things can change quickly. If Liverpool becomes the most exciting attractive team in England, and Klopp makes Liverpool a fixture in the top 4, don't you think they have a chance to break into the top four financially? I do.

But most importantly, if Liverpool can win a title or two, that could really shake things up in England.
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Will Liverpool ever win another title? Probably. So will Arsenal and other teams, in the long run. Is Klopp going to turn Liverpool into an immediate title contender like within the next year or two? And I mean legit title contender, not the Arsenal-type content to lose the title by 10-15 points but finish top 4? I would be extremely surprised.

 
Steve Tasker said:
shader said:
Let's suppose Klopp is able to have success at Liverpool that is similar to what he did at Borussia. Is Liverpool really that far off Arsenal and Chelsea? Not financially. Liverpool is still a very rich club. Just not quite as rich as the other four at the moment.

But things can change quickly. If Liverpool becomes the most exciting attractive team in England, and Klopp makes Liverpool a fixture in the top 4, don't you think they have a chance to break into the top four financially? I do.

But most importantly, if Liverpool can win a title or two, that could really shake things up in England.
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Will Liverpool ever win another title? Probably. So will Arsenal and other teams not named Tottenham, in the long run.
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I like it when the Liverpool boys have their spunk back. Board is always more exciting with their false hope!

I am sure the headlines in about 6 months will be "Clip Klopp?"

 
FIFA = Serious Businesstm

Fifa: Sepp Blatter, Michel Platini & Jerome Valcke suspended

Fifa has provisionally suspended its president Sepp Blatter, secretary general Jerome Valcke and vice-president Michel Platini for 90 days.

Looks like the sponsors have gotten their attention....

 
Sinn Fein said:
FIFA = Serious Businesstm

Fifa: Sepp Blatter, Michel Platini & Jerome Valcke suspended

Fifa has provisionally suspended its president Sepp Blatter, secretary general Jerome Valcke and vice-president Michel Platini for 90 days.

Looks like the sponsors have gotten their attention....
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FIFA's new boss is Issa Hayatou for FIFA. I won't be that shocked if he holds it for a long, long time.

 
Sammy3469 said:
Sinn Fein said:
FIFA = Serious Businesstm

Fifa: Sepp Blatter, Michel Platini & Jerome Valcke suspended

Fifa has provisionally suspended its president Sepp Blatter, secretary general Jerome Valcke and vice-president Michel Platini for 90 days.

Looks like the sponsors have gotten their attention....
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FIFA's new boss is Issa Hayatou for FIFA. I won't be that shocked if he holds it for a long, long time.
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Guess I spoke to soon as ESPN is saying he won't run for the presidency.

 
Huge match for Ireland today...Germany at home, while Scotland hosts Poland. Eire has a good chance to qualify for Euro '16 due to the new format(3rd will essentially get you in), with Scotland being their obstacle ( you know, the country that accepts the crown as their abject rulers). Up the Provos!...(jk)...Ireland does have a good team; Hoolihan!

ETA: not sure why Keane & McCready aren't starting, but the absence of wunderkind Jack Grealish is unforgiveable! ...he might as well go play for "The Butcher's Apron"...maybe he'll get more playing time.

 
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RE: Ireland not starting Robbie Keane...looks like they're going with youth up front with Walters & Murphy...totally understandable.

 
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