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As a Revs fan who hates how unprofessional the organization is (seriously, if Chicago did not exist the Revs would be the butt of every off field joke) watching how other teams approach things in MLS drives me nuts.

SJ just made an interesting signing, grabbing a member of Roma's staff to be their new gm.  But more than the person, look at the process they went through to find him

The Earthquakes’ search team identified more than 270 candidates and it eventually talked to 65 of them. The team conducted in-depth interviews with 29 prospects before narrowing the final list to six.

 
@El FloppoThe guy who is poised to save the Cosmos looks to have ties to Columbia soccer.  Do you have any knowledge of this guy?  I think the little soccer stadium at Columbia is named after him.

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Such is the power of the Cosmos, however, that their resurrection would impact the entire league. A source with knowledge of the negotiations told SI.com Thursday that New York City cable TV entrepreneur Rocco Commisso, who played soccer at Columbia University, has agreed in principle to become the Cosmos’ majority owner. Commisso, 67, is the founder and CEO of Mediacom Communications, the country’s fifth-largest cable company.

His purchase is contingent on one very critical variable, however. The Cosmos will play only in the NASL, and the NASL—despite its issues and the USL’s application—must maintain D2 status.

 
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Obi Mikel off to China. Another one of my favorite players. Won a truckload of trophies at Chelsea, still just 29. Never found a role in Conte's team. I don't believe he played a single minute in a real game for the new manager. 

 
Obi Mikel off to China. Another one of my favorite players. Won a truckload of trophies at Chelsea, still just 29. Never found a role in Conte's team. I don't believe he played a single minute in a real game for the new manager. 
he did not even get a chance thanks to his international duty at the start of the season.  I am kinda glad he is cashing in in China now while he can.

 
These are not official @shader rankings, but have fun with them nonetheless:

Mid-season Rank -- Pre-season Rank -- Current Skybet Odds

1 -- 6 -- 8/11   Chelsea -- The Leicester City of 2016/17, fairy tale season from a mid-table squad.  What I got wrong: I ranked them 6th primarily because I saw the back line as a bigly liability: Cahill-Terry-Ivanovic combo was slow and old.  Apparently Conte agreed, and brought in David Luiz, and eventually moved to a back 3.  Two things stand out from that - Improved the shape and pace of the back-line, but more importantly, Conte showed he is a better manager than Pep or Jose in terms of being able to come to a new squad and instill his philosophy.  What they need:  depth in the back line.  I don't know how Zouma is doing, but if Luiz or Azpilicueta went down with an injury, I think they could be in a spot of trouble.

2 -- 2 -- 12/1  Tottenham -- The Best Value squad of 2016/17 - if you had to shop at the discount store.  In the pre-season ranking, I noted that Spurs were relatively injury free last season.  That has not been the case this year, with Lloris, Alderweireld, Rose, Dembele, Lamela, and Kane all missing time due to injury and/or suspension.  But, despite that, Spurs have scored more, and conceded fewer than at this point last season.  Spurs are probably the 2nd most complete squad in the league - better than Chelsea defensively, but lagging behind on the attacking end.  Pochettino is having another fine season, despite crashing out of Champions League.  Spurs are still evolving tactically - last season they played 37 matches in a 4231, this season they have played a variety of formations, including a variation of Chelsea's 343, which seems to put their best XI on the pitch.  What they need:  Spurs are unlikely to add in January - too expensive.  But, realistically, they still need depth - particularly to back up Wanyama and/or Dier, if they stick with the 343.  Spurs are still involved in Europa - which they punted last season to concentrate on the leaguetm - that could be a distraction.

3 -- 5 -- 4/1  Liverpool -- Best team with no defense.  Klopp has done a good job installing his pressing and attacking style.  But they might need to raid the South Coast again to help shore up the defense.  Schedule works in their favor - they alternate "tough" and "easy" matches, which should protect them from a bad run of form.  Liverpool do not play any of the top-6 after March 18 - so they should be sprinting towards the finish line.  Pool also have a decent chance at silverware - Semi-finals of League Cup against Soton, Final will be against Man United.  It remains to be seen how they will approach the FA Cup.  A real dark horse.

4 -- 1 -- 16/1 Manchester United -- Its not for a lack of money.  What I got wrong:  I assumed Jose could manage.  I still like the players they bought - hard not to.  But I had anticipated that Mourinho would have them playing better sooner.  I am still not sure I understand their tactics - but it should not be much harder than get the ball to the wings, cross to Zlatan, and score.  Jose's reputation has taken a hit though...Right now, I would say Chelsea and Spurs are much stronger defensively, and Liverpool are stronger attacking, but United will makes things tough on anyone they play.  Interesting factoid - on December 4, United were in 6th place;  they have won 6 matches in a row since then; they are still in 6th place.  6-6-6 Red devils :oldunsure:

5 -- 3 -- 13/2  Manchester City -- Most square pegs in round holes.  Once considered unbeatable - now: :shrug:  On paper - this is a very good squad.  But, like Jose, Pep is struggling to adapt his tactics to his squad.  Two key acquisitions: Bravo and Stones have been nothing short of a hot-mess.  Pep continues to insist on playing out of the defense, despite having no players capable of playing out of the defense.  Aguero and DeBruyne should be enough by themselves to keep City in the race for top-4.  Not sure Jesus himself can keep them in a title race though.

6 -- 4 -- 12/1  Arsenal -- Dead man walking.  This is almost assuredly Wenger's last year.  Sanchez looks like he is ready to walk, Ozil probably not far behind.  Maybe Wenger will surprise with a January purchase, but this squad seems to lack the nebulous "steel" needed for a title run.  Gunners next 3 league matches: at Swans, home to Burnley and Watford before traveling to Chelsea.  That should give them a good false sense of security heading into the Chelsea match.

Despite what you might read elsewhere, the title race is over.  I know everyone wants to hype a 6-team race to the finish, but I just don't see that happening.  Chelsea are sitting on a 5 point lead, which by itself is not insurmountable, but they are left with only 4 matches against the top-6, and its hard to see them dropping many points against the bottom-14.  And, while Chelsea could drop points against the top-6, all those teams also play each other - which should keep everyone pretty close to even in the standings.  Chelsea and Liverpool are the only 2 squads with no European football, though Arsenal likely only have 2 matches left.

Key matches remaining

Week 21 - Man United v. Liverpool

Week 22 - Man City v. Spurs

Week 23 - Liverpool v. Chelsea

Week 24 - Chelsea v. Arsenal

Week 25 - Liverpool v. Spurs

Week 26 - Man City v. Man United

Week 27 - Liverpool v. Arsenal

Week 28 - None

Week 29 - Man City v. Liverpool

Week 30 - Arsenal v. Man City

Week 31 - Chelsea v. Man City

Week 32 - None

Week 33 - Man United v. Chelsea

Week 34 - None

Week 35 - Spurs v. Arsenal

Week 36 - Arsenal v. Man United

Week 37 - Spurs v. Man United

Week 38 - None

 
he did not even get a chance thanks to his international duty at the start of the season.  I am kinda glad he is cashing in in China now while he can.
Just posted about him in the other thread. Can't believe it's been 10.5 years. While he never quite lived up to his prodigy status as a teenager (when so many big clubs fought over his rights), he was a great steward for CFC. He was an anchor in Midfield for many years, won numerous trophies during his tenure, and famously battled for 120 minutes in the Champions League final in Munich vs Bayern in 2012.

 
These are not official @shader rankings, but have fun with them nonetheless:

Mid-season Rank -- Pre-season Rank -- Current Skybet Odds

4 -- 1 -- 16/1 Manchester United -- Its not for a lack of money.  What I got wrong:  I assumed Jose could manage.  I still like the players they bought - hard not to.  But I had anticipated that Mourinho would have them playing better sooner.  I am still not sure I understand their tactics - but it should not be much harder than get the ball to the wings, cross to Zlatan, and score.  Jose's reputation has taken a hit though...Right now, I would say Chelsea and Spurs are much stronger defensively, and Liverpool are stronger attacking, but United will makes things tough on anyone they play.  Interesting factoid - on December 4, United were in 6th place;  they have won 6 matches in a row since then; they are still in 6th place.  6-6-6 Red devils :oldunsure:

Despite what you might read elsewhere, the title race is over.  I know everyone wants to hype a 6-team race to the finish, but I just don't see that happening.  Chelsea are sitting on a 5 point lead, which by itself is not insurmountable, but they are left with only 4 matches against the top-6, and its hard to see them dropping many points against the bottom-14.  And, while Chelsea could drop points against the top-6, all those teams also play each other - which should keep everyone pretty close to even in the standings.  Chelsea and Liverpool are the only 2 squads with no European football, though Arsenal likely only have 2 matches left.

Key matches remaining

Week 21 - Man United v. Liverpool

Week 26 - Man City v. Man United

Week 33 - Man United v. Chelsea

Week 36 - Arsenal v. Man United

Week 37 - Spurs v. Man United
Excellent write up over all.  For United despite what the pundits say I agree they are not in the title race.  They let to many early season struggles and draws leave them a bit behind.  8 points isnt so much the issue as the 5 teams in between them and the title.  Top 4 is the goal at this point and if everything lands perfectly perhaps a title shot but i'm not counting on it. But every team will drop points so I am not handing Chelsea the title yet.

As for Jose, I think he initially fell into the same trap that Moyes and LVG fell into.... Wayne Rooney and what to do with him.  As he has moved to the bench and even been unavailable the team has played better and looked more like the United of SAF.  More attacking, counter attacks with pace, etc.  Some of that is the reintro of Carrick back into the squad giving a calmness and passing ability that also frees up Pogba to be the star.  Defensively Carrick has helped but the Jones/Rojo combo has been surprisingly good.  Need to secure a LB but the defense has been solid overall.  They are starting to look like what United fans have missed for 3 years.

I also think he has almost found his base starting XI.  LB is the only ? to me.
               De Gea
Valnencia, Jones, Rojo, ? (Blind/ShawDarmien?)
                 Carrick
Mkhi, Herrera, Pogba, Martial
                Zlatan

The wk 21 game vs Liverpool will probably dictate the rest of the season.  United wins and they are 2 behind Liverpool and can start looking at jumping teams.  A loss puts them 8 behind LP and could open the gap to 5 depending on other results.  36 and 37 at Arsenal and Spurs, back to back will also play a heavy role in the final finish going into the final week.

 
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I don't think you can turn down that offer....

According to ESPN sources, interested Chinese clubs have solicited the assistance of European brokers to try to work out a deal for Alli. The proposed sum would see the 20-year-old become the highest paid player on the planet, with a £809,323-a-week wage offer said to be on the table.

Heads of certain Asian clubs are thought to be preparing a hefty sum for Tottenham as well, and it's all left to the imagination. But one could very well assume that the transfer fee could surpass £250m.

Alli is one of the best young players in Europe right now, and has scored 20 goals in 52 appearances from midfield, more than England legends Frank Lampard, David Beckham and Steven Gerrard had scored by their 52nd appearance.

Snagging this sort of player would do well to raise the prestige of the Chinese league. They have already attracted the likes of Carlos Tevez, Oscar, John Obi Mikel and Axel Witsel this season, and have made offers for Cristiano Ronaldo, Robert Lewandowski and Alexis Sanchez as well.

Alli is also a target for La Liga giants Real Madrid, but they certainly wouldn't be able to compete with Chinese clubs when it comes to finance.
 
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@El FloppoThe guy who is poised to save the Cosmos looks to have ties to Columbia soccer.  Do you have any knowledge of this guy?  I think the little soccer stadium at Columbia is named after him.

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Such is the power of the Cosmos, however, that their resurrection would impact the entire league. A source with knowledge of the negotiations told SI.com Thursday that New York City cable TV entrepreneur Rocco Commisso, who played soccer at Columbia University, has agreed in principle to become the Cosmos’ majority owner. Commisso, 67, is the founder and CEO of Mediacom Communications, the country’s fifth-largest cable company.

His purchase is contingent on one very critical variable, however. The Cosmos will play only in the NASL, and the NASL—despite its issues and the USL’s application—must maintain D2 status.
he was always around- I never really knew him though. I went up for the rededication ceremony at the field. had no idea he was worth enough to float a pro sports team. would be a nice CU connection with Cosmos if he does and my teammate stays on.

 
Not sure if this is just a cop out or a good decision but here is what US Soccer came up with

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"After an exhaustive process working with both leagues, in the best interest of the sport the U.S. Soccer Board of Directors has decided to grant provisional Division 2 status to the NASL and USL," said U.S. Soccer President Sunil Gulati in a statement. "U.S. Soccer will create an internal working group that will work with each league to set a pathway to meet the full requirements for Division II and allow for the larger goal of creating a sustainable future. We look forward to another productive year for professional soccer in this country."

 
John Terry's red card yesterday presents an interesting situation regarding the new "triple-punishment" rule I hadn't considered ("players committing accidental fouls that deny goal-scoring opportunities in the penalty area will not be automatically sent off.")  It was the correct call, but its interesting the same foul committed in the penalty area would have been yellow rather than red.  https://streamable.com/d8spq

 
I guess I'll have to see the team when it's announced.  Seems to me that Kante and Alderweireld were at least deserving of consideration. Sergio Ramos makes this team every year, and he's an excellent player, but I'm not sure he's the best CB in the world.  I imagine Bonucci is the second CB.  Odds are that the entire team is going to come from Barca, Real, Bayern and Juve so I'm not sure its a huge indictment on the Prem. 

 
I think I posted this in the USMNT thread - but if this comes to pass, as expected, FIFA are exploring a joint CONCACAF/CONMEBOL qualifying effort - for 14 slots.

It sounds fun, but it will probably end up being 14 groups of 4 - so the "big" countries have very little risk of not making it.
I've heard that this is no longer on the table.  Latest I'm hearing is that Comnebol and Concacaf would both get 6.5 qualifying slots.  Asia would get 8.5, Africa would get 9.  Oceania would get 1.  Europe would get 16.5.

 
I've heard that this is no longer on the table.  Latest I'm hearing is that Comnebol and Concacaf would both get 6.5 qualifying slots.  Asia would get 8.5, Africa would get 9.  Oceania would get 1.  Europe would get 16.5.
I dislike this whole thing quite a lot but nothing more than the three team, two game group stage that has been rumored as the format. 

Qualifying is going to be significantly less interesting across the board

 
I dislike this whole thing quite a lot but nothing more than the three team, two game group stage that has been rumored as the format. 

Qualifying is going to be significantly less interesting across the board
In fairness, the links I'm seeing have Europe at 16, meaning there's a half qualifier I can't account for, so maybe it's not the best source.

I'm probably in the minority, but I'd rather see combined CONCACAF / COMNEBOL qualification if we go to 48 than this.  CONCACAF qualifying would be a total snore for the US, Mexico, and Costa Rica. 

 
In fairness, the links I'm seeing have Europe at 16, meaning there's a half qualifier I can't account for, so maybe it's not the best source.

I'm probably in the minority, but I'd rather see combined CONCACAF / COMNEBOL qualification if we go to 48 than this.  CONCACAF qualifying would be a total snore for the US, Mexico, and Costa Rica. 
Asian qualification would be equally boring now.  

The rumored 14 spot qualification for the Americas would be a travel nightmare but would be a little more fun to watch.   But even in that format, there would be little risk of failure.  Even if one makes the leap to assume 9 Comnebol teams are better, that still leaves 5 spots for Cconcacaf teams.  If you assume only 7 or 8 are better then there is even more ease to qualify for the top Concacaf teams.

Worst case scenario you spend 4 years of boring qualification, have one bad game in the group stage and you are done.

 
Asian qualification would be equally boring now.  

The rumored 14 spot qualification for the Americas would be a travel nightmare but would be a little more fun to watch.   But even in that format, there would be little risk of failure.  Even if one makes the leap to assume 9 Comnebol teams are better, that still leaves 5 spots for Cconcacaf teams.  If you assume only 7 or 8 are better then there is even more ease to qualify for the top Concacaf teams.

Worst case scenario you spend 4 years of boring qualification, have one bad game in the group stage and you are done.
I assume the combined American qualification would be a lot like European qualification.  Probably group based.  The CONCACAF "powers" would probably be 1 seeds, but but they could always draw a tricky 2 seed like Venezuela or Jamaica.  So I think there might be at least a little more excitement.  Plus, we could see games like Belize against Argentina.  Great fun. 

 
I assume the combined American qualification would be a lot like European qualification.  Probably group based.  The CONCACAF "powers" would probably be 1 seeds, but but they could always draw a tricky 2 seed like Venezuela or Jamaica.  So I think there might be at least a little more excitement.  Plus, we could see games like Belize against Argentina.  Great fun. 
That format would also preclude the US vs Mexico, Brazil vs Argie type meetings which are two of the best rivalries in the entire world.  God this whole idea just blows :(

 
That format would also preclude the US vs Mexico, Brazil vs Argie type meetings which are two of the best rivalries in the entire world.  God this whole idea just blows :(
Yeah, I'm not too thrilled with this entire idea.  Even discounting missing those matchups, the WC itself will just suck.  For the US (assuming we aren't one of the chosen first 16), we basically get a game against a top Euro side and then a AFC/CAFside.  If we don't blow the game against the AFC/CAF (keep in mind a tie could see you out of the tourney if you lose by more than they do to the Euro side); we're then facing another top 16 side in the round of 32.  

So we've basically gone from having to beat 8-16 or 17-24 team to make the top 16 (depending on where you slot us into having to beat at least one 1-16th ranked teams to make the round of 16.   Nevermind the fact that you could end up with Germany-Brazil in the round of 32 which would such for pure sporting reasons.  If they don't go straight off their FIFA-rankings (and yes I know they're seriously flawed) in setting up the tourney, they are going to run into a whole host of problems in the knock-out rounds (and this doesn't even get into the fact that Europe will have even more inflated FIFA rankings since they will most likely still have the same qualifying procedure while most of the rest of the world's gets watered down with more spots).

 
Yeah, I'm not too thrilled with this entire idea.  Even discounting missing those matchups, the WC itself will just suck.  For the US (assuming we aren't one of the chosen first 16), we basically get a game against a top Euro side and then a AFC/CAFside.  If we don't blow the game against the AFC/CAF (keep in mind a tie could see you out of the tourney if you lose by more than they do to the Euro side); we're then facing another top 16 side in the round of 32.  ).
and they were also considering having pk shoot outs in the group stage to have a winner in every game :(

I can't believe my favorite sporting event is getting torn apart.

With qualification almost meaningless now, our only hope is that a combined huge Copa exists one every 4 years just to generate some basic interest.

 
and they were also considering having pk shoot outs in the group stage to have a winner in every game :(

I can't believe my favorite sporting event is getting torn apart.

With qualification almost meaningless now, our only hope is that a combined huge Copa exists one every 4 years just to generate some basic interest.
Well you either need PKs every game or you'll come down to GD against the non-tied team.  I'm not sure which is worse (and yes I realize GD will still come into play if everyone wins one and loses one).  Just a disaster in every aspect.  

Likewise, I do think it'll put added importance of the regional championships.    

 
I don't think qualification generates much interest among the casual US sports fan.  It generates interest among people like us, who already care.

I don't think a 48 team World Cup is an improvement, but I doubt it will curb my enthusiasm for the event.  I like the World Cup because it's lots of soccer to watch.  It's not always the best soccer, but a lot of it.  There's already plenty that's not perfect about the World Cup. 

 
I don't think qualification generates much interest among the casual US sports fan.  It generates interest among people like us, who already care.. 
For soccer fans, the tv viewing numbers say differently..  beIn Sport and Univision traditionally both receive their highest numbers of the cycle for qualifiers and the english language channels also do very well.

Only the big games in the WC itself attract casuals so they never factor into any equation for me.

 
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Well you either need PKs every game or you'll come down to GD against the non-tied team.  I'm not sure which is worse (and yes I realize GD will still come into play if everyone wins one and loses one).  Just a disaster in every aspect.  

Likewise, I do think it'll put added importance of the regional championships.    
There was a long post on reddit with lots of math that I was too lazy to digest but the general theory was that this format was going to significantly increase the chances for collusion in the group stage..

 
I don't think qualification generates much interest among the casual US sports fan.  It generates interest among people like us, who already care.

I don't think a 48 team World Cup is an improvement, but I doubt it will curb my enthusiasm for the event.  I like the World Cup because it's lots of soccer to watch.  It's not always the best soccer, but a lot of it.  There's already plenty that's not perfect about the World Cup. 
I do think it'll be fun once you get to the knock-out round, but some of those Slovakia-Nigeria matchups in the group stages will be snooze-fest.  More than anything though, it introduces even more volatility that is suppose to be figuring out the "best" team in the world.  

 
There was a long post on reddit with lots of math that I was too lazy to digest but the general theory was that this format was going to significantly increase the chances for collusion in the group stage..
Basic gist is the team that finishes it's two group games first with a win and a loss and a GD of zero/negative (team A) is screwed since there is a result the other 2 can "set" in the final group game to finish ahead of team A.  It won't be that bad since team A most likely will be very good or very bad compared to another team in the group, but I'd fully expect some shenanigans in some group.  

 
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yet another Ghana signing by an MLS club.

KC just signed 20 year old Latif Blessing, current player of the year in the Ghana Premier League. 

 
I dislike this whole thing quite a lot but nothing more than the three team, two game group stage that has been rumored as the format. 

Qualifying is going to be significantly less interesting across the board
Wouldn't a 3-team group stage also lend itself to situations where the two teams in the final game "fix the game"?  For instance if a draw saves both teams, they both kick it around for 90 minutes?  

 
FA Cup 4th Rd Draw

Tottenham vs Wycombe
Derby vs Leicester
Oxford vs Newcastle/Birmingham
AFC Wimbledon/Sutton United vs Cambridge/Leeds
Plymouth/Liverpool vs Wolves
Southampton/Norwich vs Arsenal
Lincoln/Ipswich vs Brighton
Chelsea vs Brentford
Manchester United vs Wigan
Millwall vs Watford
Rochdale vs Huddersfield
Burnley/Sunderland vs Fleetwood/Bristol City
Blackburn vs Barnsley/Blackpool
Fulham vs Hull
Middlesbrough vs Accrington Stanley
Crystal Palace/Bolton vs Manchester City

 
God, I love looking at those Fifa Player of the Year ballots.  Who will pick only club teammates (Ronaldo's ballot:  Bale, Modric, Ramos, Messi's Ballot:  Suarez, Neymar, Iniesta).  Who will only countrymen (Neuer's ballot:  Kroos, Ozil, Lewandowski (ok, a little club love), Jogi's ballot:  Kroos, Ozil. Neuer).  Chile's coach named Alexis Sanchez and nobody else.   Mahrez and Ozil seem to pick up lots of votes from Muslim countries.  Samoa's coach with the hot fire ballot of Alexis, Pogba, and Payet.  Well done. 

EDIT:  All three voters for Wales (Coleman, Ashley Williams, and the media guy) put Gareth Bale first on their ballot.  Solidarity!

 
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I never know how I feel about those extreme knucklers.  I get that its a legitimate technique, but it just feels when you hit to knuckle like that you're just praying it ends up on frame.  It doesn't feel so much like the result matches the intent, if you know what I mean. 

 

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