What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

***Official Soccer Discussion Thread*** (8 Viewers)

I like how I'm an Arsenal fan as scoobygang and a Dortmund fan as this name.  I suppose I should finally list Real, at least until Benzema leaves.  Might as well give me Roma and St. Etienne just to have representation in all the major leagues.  And DCU, I suppose, because I'm a masochist (are they really going to give El Pitbull $10 million a year)?

 
About time for the @shader tm rankings.
Was it like this last year?  I felt I had a pretty good handle on teams last year and there weren't a lot of transfers hanging in the balance. 

But how am I suppose to rank Liverpool for instance when's Qatar and Barca are having a mini-bidding war for their best player and VVD just put in a transfer requests and LFC could soon have a massive Coutinho-size hole in their team?  I have no idea.

Then there is Arsenal who still have Sanchez/Ox/Ozil on final year contracts, and Chelsea who to me look worse but are still supposedly after 2-3 more signings.

Ive no idea how it's going to play out.  As for Tott, I think 4th place would be a tremendous success for them this year.

 
:goodposting:

also... take me off of NYCFC. I'll stay redstarbullmetros for now.

but give me s####horpe.

also cosmos in the NASL (at least for now).
Traitor!

Give me (or little Sammyinho) NYCFC, Chelsea (until Willian leaves...hoping soon!), Hajduk Split, and Croatia.  

 
Traitor!

Give me (or little Sammyinho) NYCFC, Chelsea (until Willian leaves...hoping soon!), Hajduk Split, and Croatia.  
:shrug:

couldn't be both, could I? like picking the yankees AND the mets. still like what villa and harrison are slinging up there in the bronx.

 
:shrug:

couldn't be both, could I? like picking the yankees AND the mets. still like what villa and harrison are slinging up there in the bronx.
We're technically both since whenever we do any rec league stuff it's affiliated with the Red Bull staff.  May I interest you in 8 weeks on lovely Randall's island this fall?  

 
Switch me off Brighton and onto Leeds, please, and add Crotchdale for Leeg 1 and INTER for Serie Ahhhhh.

Altoona for the future?

 
Last edited by a moderator:
My Spain is suppose to read: "Only during the Euro and in the World Cup after USA and Argentina are eliminated". Or just scratch them all together. I really just rooted for them when they were basically Barcelona sans Messi. 

 
lol @Sebowski

My Schalke 04 is supposed to read: "Only after I've had at least 7 liters of pilsner, 4 snapps and shared a joint with the Gelsenkirchen ultras on the way to the grounds."

 
Philadelphia Union - Z's wife, eagles2007, editor47, Ted Lange as your Bartender, otello, Jaysus, Autumn Wind, Ned

As many fans as wins this season.......

 
Was it like this last year?  I felt I had a pretty good handle on teams last year and there weren't a lot of transfers hanging in the balance. 

But how am I su:ppose to rank Liverpool for instance when's Qatar and Barca are having a mini-bidding war for their best player and VVD just put in a transfer requests and LFC could soon have a massive Coutinho-size hole in their team?  I have no idea.

Then there is Arsenal who still have Sanchez/Ox/Ozil on final year contracts, and Chelsea who to me look worse but are still supposedly after 2-3 more signings.

Ive no idea how it's going to play out.  As for Tott, I think 4th place would be a tremendous success for them this year.
You've come a long way grasshopper, for now you know what you dont know   :grad:   

 
Who is running things in DC?  This is crazy money for what he could possibly effect on the field or in the stands.   If he was young, like Almiron, you could understand it since there would be a chance to re-coop, but Medel is already over 30 I think.

This is no slight at the player, he has obviously had a solid career (over a 100 caps for Chile and nice run at Inter)

=================================

Steven Goff‏Verified account @SoccerInsider

DCU was willing to pay $4.5m transfer fee and $4-5m salary for Gary Medel. $$$$$. He and Inter exploring other options.

 
Jumping on the slow moving Eintracht Frankfurt bandwagon seemed like a good idea at the time but now I'm rolling with Timmy Chandler and Carlos Salcedo. 

 
Good NY Times piece today on MLS expansion, the good and the bad

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/sports/soccer/mls-expansion-nashville-cincinnati.html

NASHVILLE — Major League Soccer Commissioner Don Garber was having a moment.

On a sunny morning in mid-July, Garber arrived in Nashville to meet with politicians, business leaders and sports executives eager to bring an M.L.S. team to the city. The two-day fact-finding mission was part of a 12-city tour being conducted by Garber and his deputy, Mark Abbott, to determine which of the dozen cities will be chosen as home to the two expansion teams M.L.S. plans to approve this year.

Already Garber had been greeted by a marching band in Cincinnati and by fans waving giant cardboard cutouts of his face in Sacramento.

So for Garber, who stood at the lectern in Nashville, the latest warm reception seemed as much a validation as an opportunity. He had taken over a struggling 12-team league in 1999 and contracted it to 10 clubs two years later to stave off its collapse. Now, the league is executing a plan to grow to 28 clubs by 2020, and interest in professional soccer in the United States — in M.L.S. and far beyond it — has surged.

Instead of seeing teams fold or move, the league has investors ready to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on expansion fees and stadium construction. The new stadiums, the new sponsors, the new players emerging from the league’s new academy programs “empower anyone running a sports league,” Garber said.

“But really my favorite part of the job,” he added, “are days like this.”

Days like this have become a big part of Garber’s job in recent years. The pace of M.L.S. expansion has been dizzying; the league added at least one team a year from 2007 to 2012, and with the next round, it will have doubled in size in a decade. The league’s 23rd team, Los Angeles F.C., will begin play next season, and, after years of delays, the former star player David Beckham and a group of investors look set to receive approval for another one in Miami.

Then, by the end of this year, the owners will award franchises to two additional cities from a list that includes not just Nashville, Cincinnati and Sacramento but also Raleigh, Charlotte, Tampa, Detroit, Indianapolis, St. Louis, San Antonio, Phoenix and San Diego. And next year, the owners will pick two more from the group that remains.

Critics of M.L.S. contend that the league’s chase for new markets — and ever-rising expansion fees, now at $150 million per club — have diluted the quality of the product on the field, since every time a team is added to the league, another expansion draft of existing players must be held. And even as M.L.S. boasts of record attendance, its television ratings regularly lag behind those of games streamed in from Mexico and Europe.

“They do enough to get the stadium full, but can they transcend that?” asked Steve Gans, who helps broker team sales and is generally bullish on the future of M.L.S. “When fans watch two Premier league games in the morning, will they also watch an M.L.S. game in the afternoon?”

The league’s growing roster of teams has also cost lower-division leagues like the second-tier North American Soccer League and United Soccer League some of their best franchises. Several of them have jumped to M.L.S. at the first opportunity, and left those that remain locked out of any route into the top tier because of M.L.S.’s closed ownership structure.

The league’s expansion drive has hit other potholes. A bid for a team in St. Louis, which lost the N.F.L.’s Rams last year, faltered after voters rejected a proposal to provide public funds for a new stadium. An investment group in Charlotte and another in San Diego, which includes the former player Landon Donovan, have hit similar roadblocks.

Still, more than enough viable bids remain, particularly in Cincinnati and Sacramento, where well-heeled bidders own two of the most successful teams in the U.S.L. and have well-formed plans for new stadiums. Investors in Detroit are also hoping to build a new soccer stadium downtown.

“We felt like there was a pent-up demand for soccer,” said Carl Lindner III, the lead investor in the bid built around his successful U.S.L. club, F.C. Cincinnati, which regularly draws more than 20,000 fans a game. “I’m very excited by the upward trajectory of soccer in the U.S., in the M.L.S. and also the U.S.L.”

Garber is the first to admit that he did not predict the league’s upswing. For years, M.L.S. was an afterthought on the sports landscape. Its teams played before undersized crowds in oversize football stadiums, and television ratings were often microscopic.

The league tried focusing its marketing to Hispanic fans and then to soccer moms and their children, often with limited success. Fans of European or South American leagues routinely deride the league as an inferior product.

But M.L.S. finally found its footing about a decade ago, in an earlier round of expansion that added cities like Toronto, Seattle and Portland, Ore. The league began to make smarter signings, and a wave of construction of smaller, soccer-only stadiums filled with diverse, young crowds. Suddenly, the league had a hipper, urban sheen.

Attendance and television ratings, still small, perked up. And as they rose, so did expansion fees. When Toronto entered the league in 2007, its investors did so after paying an expansion fee of $10 million. The two franchises that will be selected this year must fork over $150 million. In another sign of confidence, Adidas last week agreed to pay $700 million over the next six years to be the exclusive merchandise rights sponsor for M.L.S., a nearly fivefold increase over the value of its existing deal.

“Eight, 10 years ago, the discussion was whether the league was going to survive,” said Jonathan Kraft, a co-owner of the New England Revolution and the chairman of the league’s expansion committee. “Now, it’s how high is the ceiling? I think we’re only getting started.”

Yet as its roster of teams expands, M.L.S. must wrestle with a question that never goes away: whether to adopt the promotion and relegation model in use by nearly every other national league system in the world. Supporters of the so-called pro/rel model argue that it rewards investment and punishes failure on the field.

But Garber has repeatedly rejected the idea, mostly because it would discourage owners and cities from investing in stadiums and player development if there were a risk they would be demoted to a lower division.

The issue continues to bubble, however. In July, the media company MP & Silva offered to pay M.L.S. $4 billion for its worldwide media rights, beginning in 2023, on the condition that the league adopt a promotion and relegation system with the country’s lower divisions. M.L.S. said its current rights deals forbade it to even consider the offer, and it was lost on no one involved that MP & Silva’s owner, Riccardo Silva, stood to benefit directly from a potential promotion-relegation system since he owns a team in the second-tier N.A.S.L.

So last week, Silva signed on to a complaint with the Court of Arbitration for Sport seeking to require that FIFA impose such a structure in the United States.

Still, that investors — including Silva — are trying to join M.L.S. one way or another suggests they believe top-level American soccer still has room to grow. That is certainly true in Nashville, where business leaders, sports executives and politicians shepherded Garber and Abbott around town in July as if they were visiting heads of state.

There were no marching bands or festivals with massive crowds of soccer fans. But at meeting after meeting, including one with Tennessee’s Republican governor, Bill Haslam, Garber and Abbott were told about Nashville’s concentration of Fortune 500 companies, its low unemployment rate, its diverse and increasingly young residents, and its global reputation as a music and entertainment capital.

“It’s a great moment for soccer in this country when you’ve got 12 cities vying for a handful of spots,” said John Ingram, who owns Nashville’s U.S.L. club and is leading the campaign for an M.L.S. team.

In a twist, the presidents of the N.F.L.’s Tennessee Titans and the N.H.L.’s Nashville Predators even turned up to pitch to Garber on why having a soccer team would be good for the city. It was a sign, perhaps, that M.L.S. has elbowed its way onto a bigger sports stage.

“Having another competitor for sports dollars will make us work harder,” said Steve Underwood, the president of the Titans. “It makes you do your job.”
 
it could be worse, you could follow my team :(
But your owner still give nice pithy quotes:

“Eight, 10 years ago, the discussion was whether the league was going to survive,” said Jonathan Kraft, a co-owner of the New England Revolution and the chairman of the league’s expansion committee. “Now, it’s how high is the ceiling? I think we’re only getting started.”

 
But your owner still give nice pithy quotes:
any time you want to keep the minimum salary down, every owner looks to Sonny Kraft and says "go get em champ!"

I always cringe every CBA and they eventually sign late because the players cave.  At some point the players have to take a stand.

The Adidas contract is going to be huge in their case this time around I think.

 
I just want to know when MLS will start to move to a more standard operating regime where the rights of players are truly owned by the individual clubs, not collectively.  

 
I just want to know when MLS will start to move to a more standard operating regime where the rights of players are truly owned by the individual clubs, not collectively.  
My guess is not until 2026 (i.e. after the CONCACAF WC).  Having said that, they are slowly allowing a more open transfer system with the teams keeping more of what is earned as the development academies produce more talent.  

I also think they the Adidas money and a new TV contract (2023) will end up further evolving league movement.  At that point each club will probably have north of 10 million a year from just those two revenue streams (5 million from Adidas and another 6-7 from national TV rights...guessing on the TV rights, but I don't think doubling in rights to 200 million a year is absurd especially with ESPN needing content for their coming web streaming service).  To put that in some perspective, most teams today are operating at 5-10 million dollar player budget this year (i.e most clubs will basically should be able to easily increase their salary-transfer budget by 50-100%).  Some of that money will either go to salaries and/or into transfer fees.  So if a club pays a transfer fee to acquire someone, they will want the backend as well.  

The Adidas deal was a precursor to increased spending across the board.  

 
...guessing on the TV rights, but I don't think doubling in rights to 200 million a year is absurd especially with ESPN needing content for their coming web streaming service).
$200m is close to tripling the rights.  

MLS gets around $70m of the $90m in the TV contract today.  The other $20m goes to US Soccer.  The TV rights are bundled.  I expect them to stay bundled at least one more time.

I have no guesses as to what the new contract could be.  The Adidas deal is so off the charts and the changing TV landscape are just two variables that make it interesting to watch.

 
$200m is close to tripling the rights.  

MLS gets around $70m of the $90m in the TV contract today.  The other $20m goes to US Soccer.  The TV rights are bundled.  I expect them to stay bundled at least one more time.

I have no guesses as to what the new contract could be.  The Adidas deal is so off the charts and the changing TV landscape are just two variables that make it interesting to watch.
The better way of saying it, is I won't be shocked if the rights for mobile/streaming seem fairly absurd.  Whether that's ESPN paying up for product for its new BamTech streaming service, Facebook, Google, or someone else the rights for that type of thing will be much larger next time (and I'm guessing decoupled from USNT rights) especially with the way the Internet companies can use targeting advertising.  Soccer in general is just a great streaming product the league, streaming service, and consumer.    

 
I just want to know when MLS will start to move to a more standard operating regime where the rights of players are truly owned by the individual clubs, not collectively.  
It would probably take a court case challenging the single-entity structure on antitrust grounds again.  The players lost that case in Fraser v. MLS, but the 1st Circuit opinion is kind of equivocal.  Considering American Needle, I think there's a pretty good argument that you don't get to be single entity in some ways and not others and still enjoy the Copperweld exemption. 

 
It would probably take a court case challenging the single-entity structure on antitrust grounds again.  The players lost that case in Fraser v. MLS, but the 1st Circuit opinion is kind of equivocal.  Considering American Needle, I think there's a pretty good argument that you don't get to be single entity in some ways and not others and still enjoy the Copperweld exemption. 
and you didn't even mention the hasenfeffer paradigm 

in that list of madeup lawyer sounding gobbledy-#####.

eta: wtf... ##### is censored? the word "mook" with a g instead of an m.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Per this morning's MLS discussion:

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/why-mls-break-own-rules-grow-allocation-money-spending?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_m_medium=t

According to a source, the discussion around injecting that new TAM into the system has included the possibility of an additional discretionary amount of $800,000. So, owners can choose whether to or not to purchase that additional amount of TAM, in similar fashion to how teams can “purchase” a third Designated Player spot.

This is a big deal because we are starting to see change within the league as owners willing to spend continue to push for more money to build their teams. Whereas a move to add more mandatory TAM may have been blocked in the past, the league now appears willing to give more aggressive owners options to invest more on the top end of the rosters.

We have seen the impact of adding TAM players like Francisco Calvo, Jonathan Spector, Leandro Gonzalez Pirez and Ola Kamara; and in keeping players like Darlington Nagbe, Dom Dwyer and Lee Nguyen in the league. The level of MLS has improved. Now, if a discretionary $800,000 is approved, ownership groups likely willing to spend that additional money – Portland, Seattle, New York City FC, New York Red Bulls, LA Galaxy, LAFC, Atlanta United, Orlando City – would start to push other teams to keep up or miss out.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
headline on espn saying that chelsea are looking at drinkwater? just get mahrez, huth and morgan and be done with it already.

 
and you didn't even mention the hasenpfeffer doctrine 

in that list of madeup lawyer sounding gobbledy-#####.
Fixed to make it sound more lawyerly for you.  My dream is to have my law geek and soccer geek sides work as one.  Particularly since I think Stephen Bank, who does most of the legal analysis for the media of MLS issues, is frequently wrong. 

 
Fixed to make it sound more lawyerly for you.  My dream is to have my law geek and soccer geek sides work as one.  Particularly since I think Stephen Bank, who does most of the legal analysis for the media of MLS issues, is frequently wrong. 
I'm just in it for the scarves.

eta: apparently.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I did once get to do about two hours of legal research on the "super injunction" process in England in relation to an "undisclosed famous footballer."  Unfortunately, that ended when the partner said, "this is all very confidential, we can't let out who we're researching this for."  And I said, "It's Ryan Giggs, it's literally all over my Twitter feed."

 
I did once get to do about two hours of legal research on the "super injunction" process in England in relation to an "undisclosed famous footballer."  Unfortunately, that ended when the partner said, "this is all very confidential, we can't let out who we're researching this for."  And I said, "It's Ryan Giggs, it's literally all over my Twitter feed."
I still want to get into directing the live broadcasts. continuously pains me how wrong most of the US crews get it... especially cutting to replays and closeups when play is happening elsewhere. 

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top