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I have absolutely no skin in the game.  I don't care if the EPL season ends properly.  I don't care if Liverpool get an * or don't get any acknowledgement in the record books ever for this season.

In 25 years, if some one asks me what were the best teams in EPL history, I will with out a seconds thought have this seasons Liverpool at the very top of the list.

To me that is all that matters.
LFC are 100% getting the trophy this season.  I'm sure there are some that want to earn it over 38 games so rival fans won't talk crap, but everyone knows the trophy is coming.  So its' really about doing this the right way.  Health first, the financial future and sanctity of the game 2nd, then worry about all the rest.

 
I have absolutely no skin in the game.  I don't care if the EPL season ends properly.  I don't care if Liverpool get an * or don't get any acknowledgement in the record books ever for this season.

In 25 years, if some one asks me what were the best teams in EPL history, I will with out a seconds thought have this seasons Liverpool at the very top of the list.

To me that is all that matters.
As long as they are no better then 2nd on that list.  3rd if you believe the Invincibles were better.

LFC are 100% getting the trophy this season.  I'm sure there are some that want to earn it over 38 games so rival fans won't talk crap, but everyone knows the trophy is coming.  So its' really about doing this the right way.  Health first, the financial future and sanctity of the game 2nd, then worry about all the rest.
:goodposting:   Even though I am a United fan, and its fun to laugh about Liverpool not getting it this year, they deserve it with what they've done.  

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Ok, so I know EPL games show up occasionally on NBC over the air broadcast. 

I have ESPN+ (part of the Disney+ package). Does that one ever show Bundesliga games? 

Live is great, replays are acceptable as well. 
I don't think so. I have ESPN+ and it is an amazing value for soccer generally, especially for those of us who have a USL team to watch. But I think FX has American rights to Bundesliga. ESPN+ does have Serie A, FA Cup (Magpies are still alive if it's not cancelled!), eredivisie, EFL Championship and League 1, Indian Super league, Champions/Europa, I think Australia, a couple randos like the Russian and German Cups, Copa del Rey, and MLS. There might be a few more.

ETA: Looks like I hippled but @JaxBill mentioning Bundesliga will move to ESPN is welcome news.

 
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I have absolutely no skin in the game.  I don't care if the EPL season ends properly.  I don't care if Liverpool get an * or don't get any acknowledgement in the record books ever for this season.

In 25 years, if some one asks me what were the best teams in EPL history, I will with out a seconds thought have this seasons Liverpool at the very top of the list.

To me that is all that matters.
I dunno. They were fading pretty fast. It's not inconceivable they could have lost out the rest of the season, maybe even be relegated. 

 
Is there punctuation more damning than an asterisk? I don't feel like the asterisk will appropriately illustrate the total collapse we never got to see.

 
Not sure the implication, but I'd rather they cancel the remaining season, handle promotion/relegation as-is, assign European spots as is, and give Liverpool the title...  
I know I'm a broken record on this, but the pro/rel part is the fly in the ointment.  I don't have a good solution for that one and don't think there is one.  I don't think you can relegate a team that is even on points with two others, when they've played different schedules and have 9 games left.  Somehow playing out the season behind closed doors isn't much better.

 
I have absolutely no skin in the game.  I don't care if the EPL season ends properly.  I don't care if Liverpool get an * or don't get any acknowledgement in the record books ever for this season.

In 25 years, if some one asks me what were the best teams in EPL history, I will with out a seconds thought have this seasons Liverpool at the very top of the list.

To me that is all that matters.
That Invincibles team had 12 draws.  It's not even a discussion IMO.  34-2-2 (or whatever) is miles better.

I think the best Chelsea teams and the current City team have good argument.  Just fantastic sides.

 
I know I'm a broken record on this, but the pro/rel part is the fly in the ointment.  I don't have a good solution for that one and don't think there is one.  I don't think you can relegate a team that is even on points with two others, when they've played different schedules and have 9 games left.  Somehow playing out the season behind closed doors isn't much better.
Rub of the green ultimately.  Something has to happen.  But I think they try to spread the financial gain/pain somehow.

 
I know I'm a broken record on this, but the pro/rel part is the fly in the ointment.  I don't have a good solution for that one and don't think there is one.  I don't think you can relegate a team that is even on points with two others, when they've played different schedules and have 9 games left.  Somehow playing out the season behind closed doors isn't much better.
Promotion/relegation is why they haven't ended early, imo.  Look at baseball.  They will simply shorten the season, and play it.  Same with basketball.  

But when you have to make decisions that will cost teams potentially hundreds of millions of dollars, it's a different ballgame.  

They aren't trying to finish the season so that LFC can get a nicely wrapped 38-game season trophy.  They are trying to finish the season so that promotion/relegation and European spots can be decided fairly.

IMO.

 
Promotion/relegation is why they haven't ended early, imo.  Look at baseball.  They will simply shorten the season, and play it.  Same with basketball.  

But when you have to make decisions that will cost teams potentially hundreds of millions of dollars, it's a different ballgame.  

They aren't trying to finish the season so that LFC can get a nicely wrapped 38-game season trophy.  They are trying to finish the season so that promotion/relegation and European spots can be decided fairly.

IMO.
:lmao:

This has less to do with Promotion/Relegation, and more to do with money - lost revenue from broadcasters and sponsors.

If the EP could figure out how to get their money, the Pro/Rel issue is easily decided.

 
Promotion/relegation is why they haven't ended early, imo.  Look at baseball.  They will simply shorten the season, and play it.  Same with basketball.  

But when you have to make decisions that will cost teams potentially hundreds of millions of dollars, it's a different ballgame.  

They aren't trying to finish the season so that LFC can get a nicely wrapped 38-game season trophy.  They are trying to finish the season so that promotion/relegation and European spots can be decided fairly.

IMO.
:goodposting:  I have to believe this too.  LFC needed 2 wins, the title is theirs. 

But pro/reg and european spots is a huge issues, esp with the games in hand. 

1 team in the relegation zone is 1-2 points behind 17 with a game in hand.  Huge differnence in $$$. 

Sheffield is 1-2 points behind United for 5th, with a game in hand.  With City potentially banned, 5th means Chamions League and better $$, attract some players and Sheffield can solidify its future as a contender.  Huge for them.

 
:lmao:

This has less to do with Promotion/Relegation, and more to do with money - lost revenue from broadcasters and sponsors.

If the EP could figure out how to get their money, the Pro/Rel issue is easily decided.
Easy to decide?  You think the team in 18th place is going to meekly submit to relegation?  Lawsuits everywhere.

 
:lmao:

This has less to do with Promotion/Relegation, and more to do with money - lost revenue from broadcasters and sponsors.

If the EP could figure out how to get their money, the Pro/Rel issue is easily decided.
I think this is an added factory.  All the teams want their money and noone wants to lose it due to the TV contracts.  But teams who have 9 or even 10 games left to survive relegation are going to push to avoid that first.

 
I haven't seen many details, but apparently there was some movement today on expiring contracts being renewed until they end the season.  That is honestly the best way to do this. They are trying to jam the current season into June.  Why?  Because of the contracts.  Remove that stumbling block and then you can easily finish this thing and finish it safely.  

It makes no sense to try and rush a season so that we can get to another season, in the middle of a freaking pandemic!  Who knows if we'll get through even half of the new season, so why throw one away that is 80% done?

 
I think this is an added factory.  All the teams want their money and noone wants to lose it due to the TV contracts.  But teams who have 9 or even 10 games left to survive relegation are going to push to avoid that first.
If PL gets their money then money solves the other issues.

We would either see no teams relegated, and two teams promoted.  Or, the PL would increase the parachute money and duration for teams that are relegated - essentially buying them off.

 
I haven't seen many details, but apparently there was some movement today on expiring contracts being renewed until they end the season.  That is honestly the best way to do this. They are trying to jam the current season into June.  Why?  Because of the contracts.  Remove that stumbling block and then you can easily finish this thing and finish it safely.  

It makes no sense to try and rush a season so that we can get to another season, in the middle of a freaking pandemic!  Who knows if we'll get through even half of the new season, so why throw one away that is 80% done?
Sort of.

They cleared the way in terms of the soccer calendar - teams and players still have to reach agreements, and teams cannot increase the compensation to players to remain.

Biggest impact is not on players who are out of contract, but on loan players who will now have their loans extended until the end of the actual season.

 
If PL gets their money then money solves the other issues.

We would either see no teams relegated, and two teams promoted.  Or, the PL would increase the parachute money and duration for teams that are relegated - essentially buying them off.
Won't they have to play to get their money?  

Sort of.

They cleared the way in terms of the soccer calendar - teams and players still have to reach agreements, and teams cannot increase the compensation to players to remain.

Biggest impact is not on players who are out of contract, but on loan players who will now have their loans extended until the end of the actual season.
I've seen this with Ighalo.  His Chineese team wants him back for the start of their season or to have him bought outright.  United wants to keep him for the end of the season and isn't sure about buying him.  Will be interesting to see how this gets resolved.

 
I mean, you can't just extend a contract without mutual agreement... that is not how contracts work. 
Correct, nothing is finalized.  Players have to agree. But I can’t imagine that will be difficult. 

 
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Sort of.

They cleared the way in terms of the soccer calendar - teams and players still have to reach agreements, and teams cannot increase the compensation to players to remain.

Biggest impact is not on players who are out of contract, but on loan players who will now have their loans extended until the end of the actual season.
Very true, loans will be tough.  It’s a cluster no doubt. 

 
Won't they have to play to get their money?  

I've seen this with Ighalo.  His Chineese team wants him back for the start of their season or to have him bought outright.  United wants to keep him for the end of the season and isn't sure about buying him.  Will be interesting to see how this gets resolved.
I think they will play - behind closed doors, neutral venues.

That will be enough for the relegated teams to raise a legal issue - which will be enough for the league to find a financial settlement.

In the end - its always about the money.

 
I think they will play - behind closed doors, neutral venues.

That will be enough for the relegated teams to raise a legal issue - which will be enough for the league to find a financial settlement.

In the end - its always about the money.
Yes, its always about the money.

And reportedly today every team came out against neutral venues.

 
Sort of.

They cleared the way in terms of the soccer calendar - teams and players still have to reach agreements, and teams cannot increase the compensation to players to remain.

Biggest impact is not on players who are out of contract, but on loan players who will now have their loans extended until the end of the actual season.
Very true, loans will be tough.  It’s a cluster no doubt. 
Loans are a problem, but expiring contracts can be just as difficult.  Just looking at Chelsea, I'm thinking why would Willian, Pedro or Giroud extend?  Especially if they can't pay a sweetner to the existing contract.  They're looking for their next club - why bust your balls to get in shape and participate in this thing, risk injury, etc.?  These guys have been great players for the club, but they don't owe Chelsea anything after June 30.  There are probably dozens of players on teams up and down the table in similar situations.  Think about the clubs in the middle of the pack, who aren't playing for anything in terms of top or bottom.  The owners are desperate for leverage on their tv deal, but these players with expiring contracts have no incentive to come back and play.

 
Loans are a problem, but expiring contracts can be just as difficult.  Just looking at Chelsea, I'm thinking why would Willian, Pedro or Giroud extend?  Especially if they can't pay a sweetner to the existing contract.  They're looking for their next club - why bust your balls to get in shape and participate in this thing, risk injury, etc.?  These guys have been great players for the club, but they don't owe Chelsea anything after June 30.  There are probably dozens of players on teams up and down the table in similar situations.  Think about the clubs in the middle of the pack, who aren't playing for anything in terms of top or bottom.  The owners are desperate for leverage on their tv deal, but these players with expiring contracts have no incentive to come back and play.
I guess that depends on how much the open market will pay right now?  
 

I can’t imagine many teams are going to fork out big contracts when they don’t know what the future holds. So it’s a way to keep getting paid while the sport is in limbo.  

As an example, Adam Lallana will snap that deal up in two seconds, because his next contract will be half of this one. 
 

 
From Goff

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”MLS has proposed placing all 26 teams in the Orlando area this summer and playing matches without spectators at the Disney sports complex and possibly other locations, multiple people familiar with the plan said.”

 
According to BBC the latest on EPL sounds like-

- no neutral grounds

- possible curtailment of season broached for first time.

- June 12 return date eyed, looking go extend players past June 30

- teams to lose at least 340mil pounds

- pro/rel to go on

 
Some of the teams at the bottom of the league are whining about the neutral ground proposals.  They claim they need home field advantage.  To me, that seems absurd.  There are no fans!!!

I realize some teams have different pitch sizes at home vs away, but I don't think they are making such a fuss over pitch sizes..
It again comes down to finances, not pitch sizes or home field advantage per say.

Almost all EPL teams have sponsorship packages for signage in the stadium that is priced in part because it can be seen on tv.  The revenue will be lost if they can't play games in their own stadiums.

 
If they are going to lose 340M even if they reschedule, is it worth the effort?  I think not.  I expect the season to be curtailed.

 
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I don't think so. I have ESPN+ and it is an amazing value for soccer generally, especially for those of us who have a USL team to watch. But I think FX has American rights to Bundesliga. ESPN+ does have Serie A, FA Cup (Magpies are still alive if it's not cancelled!), eredivisie, EFL Championship and League 1, Indian Super league, Champions/Europa, I think Australia, a couple randos like the Russian and German Cups, Copa del Rey, and MLS. There might be a few more.

ETA: Looks like I hippled but @JaxBill mentioning Bundesliga will move to ESPN is welcome news.
How are they gonna fit Bundesliga in the ESPN feed? Are they really gonna cover it like Fox did or just shove it behind a paid wall with all the others? Pretty disappointed that ESPN has Serie A but does very little with it on the actual TV besides random matches at 6:30 am or a seldom 2:45 EST match featuring one of the top match ups. At least when Fox Sports had Serie A rights games were shown exclusively on the network and it helped for me that AC Milan was still good then. Only way to watch most of Serie A or other matches is on the phone on on the last top if you have a TV adapter and hook it up through an HDMI cable which I have but that's a hassle to go through a bunch of wires in the back and hook up the lap top for 2 hours 

 
I dunno. They were fading pretty fast. It's not inconceivable they could have lost out the rest of the season, maybe even be relegated. 
I'm currently watching the Champions league final Thrashing that AC Milan gave 'Pool in what we refer to as The Revenge Match. God the names on these teams is legendary and the coaches. Ole Special One Jose Mourinho vs Carlo ANcellotti. 

 
Is there punctuation more damning than an asterisk? I don't feel like the asterisk will appropriately illustrate the total collapse we never got to see.
Dude they were falling so fast I think 2nd division is too nice. They would've been in 3rd division which is impressive relegation in any standards. 

 
:goodposting:  I have to believe this too.  LFC needed 2 wins, the title is theirs. 

But pro/reg and european spots is a huge issues, esp with the games in hand. 

1 team in the relegation zone is 1-2 points behind 17 with a game in hand.  Huge differnence in $$$. 

Sheffield is 1-2 points behind United for 5th, with a game in hand.  With City potentially banned, 5th means Chamions League and better $$, attract some players and Sheffield can solidify its future as a contender.  Huge for them.
This is true in Serie A where the 6th and 7th spot is within reach of everyone from 10-6 at this point. Milan has a tall task in the Coppa Italia vs Juve to win if its even played to reach the finals and even then victory isn't guaranteed so their best hope is to get one of the final 2 European spots as that could be huge in what they do for the Mercado. These things have huge effects around Europe for leagues and clubs. Theres already some pushback in EPL of teams possible filing legal action if the season is ended without all matches played. 

 
I guess that depends on how much the open market will pay right now?  
 

I can’t imagine many teams are going to fork out big contracts when they don’t know what the future holds. So it’s a way to keep getting paid while the sport is in limbo.  

As an example, Adam Lallana will snap that deal up in two seconds, because his next contract will be half of this one. 
 
There's been chatter on Sky Sports Italy from the big guys that we might see a lot more player for player NBA type swaps then guys going for just cash this summer. There's belief smaller clubs who are loosing out on gate money and other match day revenue will more likely sell their better players for lower prices just because they need to sell them at this point. It's looking more like a buyers market for the summer experts are saying. 

 
According to BBC the latest on EPL sounds like-

- no neutral grounds

- possible curtailment of season broached for first time.

- June 12 return date eyed, looking go extend players past June 30

- teams to lose at least 340mil pounds

- pro/rel to go on
Great that means some of these clubs can't overspend. THere's talk from transfer experts that this whole Virus issue might be a blessing in disguise in terms of money lost will mean the market goes back down to a more normal transfer rates rather than players being sold to clubs for 2xs -3xs their market value. 

 

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