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Man, it looks like several teams with Aaron Rodgers as their QB are going down in flames this week. As a Rodgers owner (with Palmer and Leftwich as my other two QBs), it makes me feel a bit better about my chances. Still, unless Michael Turner and Ray Rice continue to post healthy numbers for the next several weeks, my team won't make it through to the second season. Fun to still be alive though! :thumbdown:

 
Here's a question. Who are you every week producers? Who on your squads has counted in the scoring each and every week? Mine are Dallas Clark (not surprising with only Finley there) and Harvin
For me excluding bye weeks here are the core guys who have scored every week for me.GrantV. JacksonN. BurlesonNext Celek has only failed me one week but thats the week Finley blew up.
 
Rodgers owners in general are doing quite well, with 2141 currently in the clear and 583 out. Of the 775 teams with guaranteed "0" at QB this week (I also added the few teams that had Anderson and McCown since they were below 1 point), 431 are currently in, compared to 334 who are not. Looks like the killer QB week was such a great equalizer that it was not a tremendous factor.
I gotta quit doing research on stuff like this right after I get up in the morning. I keep forgetting that the last thing I do after SNF is leaving the data populated with the MNF projected stats.Here's the real "as-is" condition heading into tonight's game. Currently 471/775 teams are listed as "in" with a guaranteed zero at QB, and 2124/2724 of Rodgers owners are listed as "in". Obviously, some of the Rodgers owners still have some key players left (possibly their backup QB), as it looks like the projection has a few more getting in than the current situation. It looks like the opposite is true if the guaranteed QB zeros, as the 471 that are in now dwindle to 431 with the projections. Looks like there is a penalty for not having a QB at all, as there are possibly a few teams of similar construction that end up benefiting from finally getting their QB score. Just a thought, no analysis on how these teams are actually constructed...
 
QuizGuy66 said:
Man, so my week one bomb entry still would be going if not for that egg at the start :excited: . Woulda had 135.2 plus more.Even worse, the theoretical optimal entry that I eschewed would still be alive and north of 150 this week. *sigh* :goodposting:Good luck to the folks sweating out the Turk for real this week :goodposting: -QG
I knew week 5 was my week to be very nervous because of Colston, VJAX, A.Rogers bye. But i thought Flacco/W.Parker/DMason would save my hide. They didn't and now I need Leon Johnson to go fro 90 yds, 8 receptions or a TD wouldnt hurt to hold on to this thing. I am at 97 with my lowest flex wiht 5 pts. Figure Leon needs about 19 pts. Also have feely but would need over 13 as R.Longwell already booked 10.
 
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I am toast...team 102258

QB - Matt Hasselbeck nice (38?)

RB - Ronnie Brown - yet to play

RB - Shonn Greene - yet to plat

WR - Chad Ochocinco - marginal

WR - Kevin Walter - minimal (5?)

WR - Davone Bess - yet to play

TE - Chris Baker - 0

PK - Rian Lindell - 3

TD - Washington Redskins - 9

Probably sitting at 65 pts.

QB - Carson Palmer - decent

QB - Marc Bulger - hurt

RB - Ryan Grant - bye

RB - Willie Parker - hurt

RB - Felix Jones - hurt

RB - Greg Jones - worthless

WR - Domenik Hixon - hurt

WR - Devin Hester - bye

TE - Jeremy Shockey - bye

TE - Martellus Bennett - 0

TD - New England Patriots - marginal

TD - Houston Texans - minimal

Unless Shonn Green, Ronnie Brown and Devon Bess each run wild, I am done.

 
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Looks like the cut is up to just below 106 after the first quarter of play...
Does TFS update in 15 minute intervals? as an owner of Leon and Feely, and at 97 pts, I am a bit on edge
I think the scoring updates every 10 minutes, but it has some delay in the stats at that time. I am running my cutoff update stats manually, which may have some scores that you aren't seeing right now.One VERY important note if you are near the cut is that the stat service we use isn't a perfect match to the FBG stats, although I try to adjust what I can. I fix the negative yard issue we know we have and make sure the DEF scores match, which are fairly easy to check. There may be a few minor 1-2 yard adjustments across the rest of the players that are still not showing up, which is why I can't confidently nail the exact cut with my scoring. Since a lot of teams near the cut tend to have a common score though, I can usually get to within .05, since a shift one way or the other usually will include several teams.BTW, the cut as of halftime is just below 108...
 
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109.7 this is going to be close.
you are correct sir, but unfortunately I think you just missed the good side of the line. on a preliminary stat cut (still need to verify my had scoring), the cut is showing......110.75I will recheck that total as it is very rough at this time and I may have some computational errors on the late activity.
 
Looks like there were a few glitches in my hand math, and the final UNOFFICIAL estimate from TFS is 110.9. Range to cover slight stat correction moves looks like 110.85-111.0.

 
Roster size report:

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+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| roster_size | number | alive | pct_alive |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| 20		  |   5181 |  1841 |	0.3553 || 21		  |   2032 |   810 |	0.3986 || 22		  |   1445 |   756 |	0.5232 || 23		  |   1291 |   689 |	0.5337 || 24		  |   3328 |  2021 |	0.6073 || TOTAL	   |  13277 |  6117 |	0.4607 |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+
 
Drew Brees 0.00

Matthew Stafford 0.00

Frank Gore 0.00

Ryan Grant 0.00

Willie Parker 0.00

Ladell Betts 1.80

Tashard Choice 15.20

Glen Coffee 14.60

James Davis 0.00

Anquan Boldin 15.40

Vincent Jackson 0.00

Nate Burleson 27.80

Joey Galloway 0.00

Percy Harvin 10.60

Jason Avant 2.20

Laurent Robinson 0.00

Chris Cooley 0.00

Greg Olsen 0.00

Rob Bironas 15.00

Robbie Gould 0.00

Josh Brown 4.00

Green Bay Packers 0.00

Seattle Seahawks 15.00

Oakland Raiders 2.00

Zero from QB. Zero from TE. 2.2 from my flex. I'll take it.

 
111.0

Updated ownership numbers

Querier, so you can do fun things like find the one Miles Austin owner who was eliminated this week.

Simulator accuracy report:

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surv	  #	 #prob   teams  surv	pct--------------------------100%	  81	81   100.090--99  4005  3798	94.880--89  1237  1063	85.970--79   675   522	77.360--69   413   276	66.850--59   268   150	56.040--49   224   109	48.730--39   142	67	47.220--29   107	31	29.010--19	74	14	18.9 0-- 9	48	 9	18.8
Great job on your analysis! I am thankful to all those people without QB's....helped to slide by in front of about 100 people. So glad to have Rivers and Rodgers and Coleson back this week. Hopefully next week will not be so close.
 
can not believe i am still alive, Mclin saved me

1 2 3 4 5

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Tom Brady $37 30.80 10.00 19.85 26.00 22.65

Mark Sanchez $9 19.20 13.95 26.55 6.30 15.20

Frank Gore $43 18.30 39.10 0.40 0.00 0.00

LaDainian Tomlinson $40 12.10 0.00 0.00 1.90 0.00

Ray Rice $21 13.00 10.70 15.50 17.70 23.80

Willie Parker $16 2.90 5.50 19.90 0.00 0.00

James Davis $2 2.40 0.00 1.60 0.00 0.00

Marques Colston $28 12.00 29.80 10.70 5.30 0.00

Josh Morgan $15 6.80 0.00 8.70 11.90 11.80

Chris Henry $12 2.80 7.50 2.90 5.60 12.20

Derrick Mason $9 8.70 6.10 22.80 21.80 0.00

Jeremy Maclin $4 0.00 3.20 7.20 0.00 32.20

Andre Davis $2 4.40 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00

Laurent Robinson $2 13.70 17.40 4.60 0.00 0.00

Desmond Clark $5 3.80 0.00 0.00 3.80 0.00

Daniel Graham $1 8.50 1.80 6.30 8.10 7.90

Jay Feely $1 6.00 12.00 7.00 5.00 13.00

Shaun Suisham $1 5.00 9.00 2.00 6.00 6.00

Cincinnati Bengals $1 3.00 8.00 9.00 12.00 6.00

New Orleans Saints $1 7.00 16.00 8.00 24.00 0.00

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TOTAL 130.10 154.35 133.65 128.30 129.55

CUTOFF 120.88 130.04 126.34 113.79 110.99

 
Roster size report:

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+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| roster_size | number | alive | pct_alive |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| 20		  |   5181 |  1841 |	0.3553 || 21		  |   2032 |   810 |	0.3986 || 22		  |   1445 |   756 |	0.5232 || 23		  |   1291 |   689 |	0.5337 || 24		  |   3328 |  2021 |	0.6073 || TOTAL	   |  13277 |  6117 |	0.4607 |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+
Does this settle the question as to the best roster size?
 
Roster size report:

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+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| roster_size | number | alive | pct_alive |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| 20		  |   5181 |  1841 |	0.3553 || 21		  |   2032 |   810 |	0.3986 || 22		  |   1445 |   756 |	0.5232 || 23		  |   1291 |   689 |	0.5337 || 24		  |   3328 |  2021 |	0.6073 || TOTAL	   |  13277 |  6117 |	0.4607 |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+
Does this settle the question as to the best roster size?
Week 5 elimination rates20 20.30%21 21.44%22 15.06%23 13.33%24 9.98%
 
Roster size report:

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+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| roster_size | number | alive | pct_alive |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| 20		  |   5181 |  1841 |	0.3553 || 21		  |   2032 |   810 |	0.3986 || 22		  |   1445 |   756 |	0.5232 || 23		  |   1291 |   689 |	0.5337 || 24		  |   3328 |  2021 |	0.6073 || TOTAL	   |  13277 |  6117 |	0.4607 |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+
Does this settle the question as to the best roster size?
Not unless the goal was to make it to week 6
 
Made it through even though all three of my dst's were on bye this week. Saved by the likes of bradshaw and burleson

 
As far as bye week troubles, this will be my worst with Gore/Coffee bye and P Manning bye:

These teams have Manning, Gore :

106776 my team, Sanchez as only QB backup

105079 no QB this week

106070 Delhomme backup

106114 Matt Ryan backup

106491 Delhomme backup, no Coffee handcuff

112277 Hasselback backup, no Coffee handcuff

If my and these teams make it this week, we are pretty unique. Obviously, fantastic rest of seasons for Manning and Gore would make or break us. Liking Manning thus far.

In order for me to do well I need Manning, Gore/Coffee, and each one of Ochocinco and Braylon make my team totally unique, will need perform. As good as anyone I would guess.

:(

:popcorn:

 
Roster size report:

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+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| roster_size | number | alive | pct_alive |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| 20		  |   5181 |  1841 |	0.3553 || 21		  |   2032 |   810 |	0.3986 || 22		  |   1445 |   756 |	0.5232 || 23		  |   1291 |   689 |	0.5337 || 24		  |   3328 |  2021 |	0.6073 || TOTAL	   |  13277 |  6117 |	0.4607 |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+
Does this settle the question as to the best roster size?
Not unless the goal was to make it to week 6
Yeah, that's a good point. But 65% of entrants with 20 players have already eliminated themselves. I'm trying to think of this in general terms... as in, what gives me the best chance to win vs. what is the winning entry. I guess you're right though and that won't be answered until later.
 
my biggest bargain has been austin collie $2

scored for me 3/5 weeks.

saints at $1 have been pretty good too. scoring for me every week except their bye over my steelers

next year going with 3 cheaper dsts

 
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Roster size report:

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+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| roster_size | number | alive | pct_alive |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| 20		  |   5181 |  1841 |	0.3553 || 21		  |   2032 |   810 |	0.3986 || 22		  |   1445 |   756 |	0.5232 || 23		  |   1291 |   689 |	0.5337 || 24		  |   3328 |  2021 |	0.6073 || TOTAL	   |  13277 |  6117 |	0.4607 |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+
Does this settle the question as to the best roster size?
Not unless the goal was to make it to week 6
I don't completely buy into the theory the more the merrier in the extreme sense. At some point you need to spend some money on getting some top studs. But it is pretty convincing that the optimal rooster is somewhere above 24.
 
Roster size report:

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+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| roster_size | number | alive | pct_alive |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| 20		  |   5181 |  1841 |	0.3553 || 21		  |   2032 |   810 |	0.3986 || 22		  |   1445 |   756 |	0.5232 || 23		  |   1291 |   689 |	0.5337 || 24		  |   3328 |  2021 |	0.6073 || TOTAL	   |  13277 |  6117 |	0.4607 |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+
Does this settle the question as to the best roster size?
Not unless the goal was to make it to week 6
I'm trying to think of this in general terms... as in, what gives me the best chance to win vs. what is the winning entry.
This the correct way to make your decision. The 20 roster guys have all been quiet lately in hopes that they will be vindicated if a 20-roster wins. If the current trend continues, the survival rates of each size when we get to the end will look something like this.20 0.59%21 0.89%22 2.36%23 2.54%24 4.04%So a random 24 is almost 8x more likely to advance to the final 250 than a random 20.
 
Does this settle the question as to the best roster size?
Not unless the goal was to make it to week 6
I'm trying to think of this in general terms... as in, what gives me the best chance to win vs. what is the winning entry.
This the correct way to make your decision. The 20 roster guys have all been quiet lately in hopes that they will be vindicated if a 20-roster wins. If the current trend continues, the survival rates of each size when we get to the end will look something like this.20 0.59%

21 0.89%

22 2.36%

23 2.54%

24 4.04%

So a random 24 is almost 8x more likely to advance to the final 250 than a random 20.
I think I saw that apalmer was eliminated, so I may be on my own defending the 20-teamers - but the argument was, and still is, that the 20-teamers were playing to have the best roster for the final three weeks of the season - understanding that they took the biggest risk of being eliminated early. These results are not surprising, nor do they validate either argument. Nobody has ever disputed that "random" teams with 24 players have a better chance at survival than "random" teams with 20 players. The trade off was a lower chance of survival v. a higher chance of success if you made it through.For the record, I have a 24-man roster - but that was primarily so that I would last longer into the contest. If I had the time, energy, foresight and balls I would have tried to go with a 20-man roster - improving at various positions - knowing that I had next to 0 margin for error (and therein lies the difference in the two philosophies - one gambling with no margin for error, and one building in a safety net).

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer in this debate.

 
Roster size report:

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+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+ | roster_size | number | alive | pct_alive | +-------------+--------+-------+-----------+ | 20		  |   5181 |  1841 |	0.3553 | | 21		  |   2032 |   810 |	0.3986 | | 22		  |   1445 |   756 |	0.5232 | | 23		  |   1291 |   689 |	0.5337 | | 24		  |   3328 |  2021 |	0.6073 | | TOTAL	   |  13277 |  6117 |	0.4607 | +-------------+--------+-------+-----------+
Does this settle the question as to the best roster size?
Not unless the goal was to make it to week 6
Well, the initial goal is to get to the final 250. If the elimination rates continue through the bye weeks (and there's no reason to think they won't), the rate for the 24 player teams will be about 20% and the rate for 20 player teams will be about 5% after week 10.
 
Roster size report:

Code:
+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| roster_size | number | alive | pct_alive |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| 20		  |   5181 |  1841 |	0.3553 || 21		  |   2032 |   810 |	0.3986 || 22		  |   1445 |   756 |	0.5232 || 23		  |   1291 |   689 |	0.5337 || 24		  |   3328 |  2021 |	0.6073 || TOTAL	   |  13277 |  6117 |	0.4607 |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+
Does this settle the question as to the best roster size?
Not unless the goal was to make it to week 6
I don't completely buy into the theory the more the merrier in the extreme sense. At some point you need to spend some money on getting some top studs. But it is pretty convincing that the optimal rooster is somewhere above 24.
:goodposting:
 
Roster size report:

Code:
+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| roster_size | number | alive | pct_alive |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| 20		  |   5181 |  1841 |	0.3553 || 21		  |   2032 |   810 |	0.3986 || 22		  |   1445 |   756 |	0.5232 || 23		  |   1291 |   689 |	0.5337 || 24		  |   3328 |  2021 |	0.6073 || TOTAL	   |  13277 |  6117 |	0.4607 |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+
Does this settle the question as to the best roster size?
Not unless the goal was to make it to week 6
Exactly. And I say that as a 24 team roster entry. Winning is what matters, not looking good during the season. Of course, you do have to get to the playoffs in order to win.....
 
decent chunk of Randy Moss owners eliminated. :thumbup:

Team LHUCKS surprisingly coasts through to week 6...that was almost the perfect storm at WR...whew.

 
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Roster size report:

Code:
+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| roster_size | number | alive | pct_alive |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+| 20		  |   5181 |  1841 |	0.3553 || 21		  |   2032 |   810 |	0.3986 || 22		  |   1445 |   756 |	0.5232 || 23		  |   1291 |   689 |	0.5337 || 24		  |   3328 |  2021 |	0.6073 || TOTAL	   |  13277 |  6117 |	0.4607 |+-------------+--------+-------+-----------+
Does this settle the question as to the best roster size?
Not unless the goal was to make it to week 6
I don't completely buy into the theory the more the merrier in the extreme sense. At some point you need to spend some money on getting some top studs. But it is pretty convincing that the optimal rooster is somewhere above 24.
:thumbup:
Well that is what my wife tells me, but she uses a different term for rooster.
 

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