***Official Super Bowl LII Thread*** - Eagles vs Patriots (1 Viewer)

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I'm not saying the exact same thing. I'm countering your nonsense about teams underestimating New England. Everyone knows what they are. At this point, there are ZERO fans or teams who think they are over-rated. I just think you hate being huge favorites in the game. You need an angle. 

 cute... but no. 8th Superbowl in 17 years.... there's no need for an angle. 

Congrats on beating Case Keenum.  That's a big win for you guys.   

 

[JuniorNB]

During the game I did hear the announcers mentioning that the Eagles have 22 of 24 starters under contract for next year.  I found that extraordinary.  if one were looking for them to get back next year that would bode well for them.  If one were looking for challengers one might point out Dallas could well have Elliot for the whole year, Green Bay could well have Rodgers for the whole year, and Minnesota could have Cook for the whole year while the Rams are young and still improving and the Seahawks seem unlikely to have quite so many injuries..  Of course the Eagles had challenges too, and with Wentz and Peters coming back they could be expected to be stronger as well, absent new injuries which are always a craps shoot.

I'm sort of pulling for the Eagles.  The last time they won it all I was alive, but I do not have a memory of the event.

I agree on Dallas, the Rams, and the Vikes. All have a ton of young talent and the NFC should be very competitive in the years to come.  Not real worried about Seattle. I think their time has come and gone. Defense is getting old and injury prone. 

 

[JuniorNB]

 cute... but no. 8th Superbowl in 17 years.... there's no need for an angle. 

Congrats on beating Case Keenum.  That's a big win for you guys.   

That's my point. Pats have no angle. So you're trying to invent some disrespect one. It's laughable. They are favored for a reason.

Also, congrats on beating Mariotta and Bortles to get there. That's a Mt Rushmore of QB awesomeness. 

 

[Zow]

Bitter nonetheless

We just got trounced as road favorites by a team whose fans aren't very endearing.  Can you blame us?

 

[JuniorNB]

We just got trounced as road favorites by a team whose fans aren't very endearing.  Can you blame us?

I didn't see one fan be disrespectful to you yesterday.   I can see feeling bitter. I'd feel bitter too if the Eagles lost. But I wouldn't be having a temper tantrum like the guy I quoted. 

 

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That's my point. Pats have no angle. So you're trying to invent some disrespect one. It's laughable. They are favored for a reason.

Also, congrats on beating Mariotta and Bortles to get there. That's a Mt Rushmore of QB awesomeness. 

You are way way way overanalyzing my comment. I was referring to actual posts... in this thread. You can say it's laughable... but scroll up.   

Again... you guys remind me of Falcons and Seattle fans. It's cute. 

 

[Osaurus]

This thread is dissolving 

 

[Pickle Rody]

You are way way way overanalyzing my comment. I was referring to actual posts... in this thread. You can say it's laughable... but scroll up.   

Again... you guys remind me of Falcons and Seattle fans. It's cute. 

Why are you being a d i c k?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I agree on Dallas, the Rams, and the Vikes. All have a ton of young talent and the NFC should be very competitive in the years to come.  Not real worried about Seattle. I think their time has come and gone. Defense is getting old and injury prone. 

A agree about Seattle, but I also think the may be able to parley some of their aging players into trades which help them to a quick turnaround.

 

[JuniorNB]

Why are you being a d i c k?

I think he's just being himself

 

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Why are you being a ####?

I made an observation in reference to a couple posts I read upthread. JuniorNB took it upon himself to try and play Freud, but whiffed. 

 

 

[Insein]

It's nice seeing the optimism from Eagles fans. I think it's normal for opponents to underestimate New England.... so by all means, continue to do so.

Double digit Philly win? Sure! Of course! Why not! Pats aren't very good at football.    

Who's underestimating whom? Eagles have been the best team in the league all year yet no one seems to give them credit for it. Wentz goes down and it's like the other 52 guys were just being carried by him. They should just go home. It took more than half the season for people to even acknowledge Doug P as a good coach. 

I know what NE is. They are the dynasty with the greatest coach ever and the greatest QB ever. We're still going to beat them because our 53 is better than theirs. 

 

[modogg]

wow, 2 weeks of Pats fans has to be the 6th or 7th circle of hell from Dante's Inferno

 

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Eagles have been the best team in the league all year yet no one seems to give them credit for it.

Actually, Sagarin has them as the 2nd best team in the league. Has been that way all year, though. You're right, there. 

 

[JuniorNB]

You are way way way overanalyzing my comment. I was referring to actual posts... in this thread. You can say it's laughable... but scroll up.   

Again... you guys remind me of Falcons and Seattle fans. It's cute. 

You think it's 'cute' that a team's fanbase thinks it has a chance in the game? Wow. Talk about a pompous ##### fan. And you wonder why 90% of the country hates the Pats and their fans. 

 

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You think it's 'cute' that a team's fanbase thinks it has a chance in the game? 

That's not at all what I said  

 

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wow, 2 weeks of Pats fans has to be the 6th or 7th circle of hell from Dante's Inferno

Eh I'm just having some fun trolling Iggles fans.  

 

[Amused to Death]

Who's underestimating whom? Eagles have been the best team in the league all year yet no one seems to give them credit for it. Wentz goes down and it's like the other 52 guys were just being carried by him. They should just go home. It took more than half the season for people to even acknowledge Doug P as a good coach. 

I know what NE is. They are the dynasty with the greatest coach ever and the greatest QB ever. We're still going to beat them because our 53 is better than theirs. 

This is the equalizer.  NE has the best QB and the best coach, but the Eagles are the better team this year.  And while Pederson may not be the coach BB is, he's far from a bad coach.  Its possible the moment becomes too big for Doug or Foles, but its laughable people would count them out before they even kickoff.

 

[JuniorNB]

Eh I'm just having some fun trolling Iggles fans.  

Lol  I love the retreat. It all started because you were upset that a few people were predicting a lopsided Eagles win. Perhaps they were trolling Patriots fans and only caught one fish. 

 

[Thunderlips]

Both teams fully healthy, I think there's a significant gap in talent & intangibles in the Pats' favor. This game could get ugly.

I generally root NFC & it's no different in this Super Bowl. That said, at this point, I'm just hoping for an enjoyable game. 

I'm afraid this could be a blowout if Philly has trouble on offense. They're likely going to have to catch some breaks to keep it close.

I'm not getting this talent discrepancy at all.

Sure...Phillys missing their starting LB, their starting Pro Bowl LT their starting Pro Bowl QB, their Pro Bowl ST player and their future HoF Change of Pace RB/PT...but even with that....Philly has depth.  

 

[Pickle Rody]

I made an observation in reference to a couple posts I read upthread. JuniorNB took it upon himself to try and play Freud, but whiffed. 

 

No....you're purposefully being a d-bag. Knock it off. 

 

[Skoo]

He did look good yesterday.  MINN's defense also didn't look nearly as good as they have been all season.  Let's see if Foles can play as good in back to back games against Belichick.  I'm not as confident he can.  There is a reason he is a back up.

Not after last night he isn't.

These last two games have proven Foles is EASILY better than a good number of starting QBs in the league right now.

As an Eagles fan, I fully admit, I had no hope after Wentz went down.

I was wrong.

 

[Thunderlips]

I remember the Lombardi Packers.  By Super Bowl II, if not Super Bowl I they were past their prime.  Many of their stars had left, moved on.  What they had left was moxy, their coach, their Q.B., and a few key defensive contributors, past their prime, probably, but smart.  They had been through the wars.  They won on smarts.

The Patriots may be coming towards the end, but they have their brain trust, they have experience, they will not be rattled, no matter what.  The Eagles are going to have to take this, it will not be handed to them. 

Good luck Eagles. 

That's it.

No team will capitalize on dumb mistakes better than the Pats.  No team can sneak you when you've taken your foot off the gas better than the Pats.  If Philly plays perfect....they have the talent to win. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

That's it.

No team will capitalize on dumb mistakes better than the Pats.  No team can sneak you when you've taken your foot off the gas better than the Pats.  If Philly plays perfect....they have the talent to win. 

The Mountain of Molten Lust knows stuff.

 

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No....you're purposefully being a d-bag. Knock it off. 

I think we see things differently.... but at least I'm not circumventing the language filter.

I've got that going for me, which is nice  

Should be a good Super Bowl. They always are  

 

[SengerCJ]

I don’t feel like creating a new thread and getting flamed, so I’ll just toss this in here and hope it fizzles out after a page if its received poorly. 

These playoffs(AFC side) would have been much more entertaining if wildcard teams weren’t decided by tie breakers, instead the teams tied for(and maybe one game out)the wildcard spot are chosen by the nfl to get in. Chargers @ Jaguars and Ravens @ Chiefs would have just been better games. Might have made it much more difficult on the pats as well. I’m just speaking with the perspective of wanting to put on the best possible product in the playoffs. I know it won’t happen in this day and age but this year is a clear example of how it would be an improvement.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Eagles gotta be the worst team to make a superbowl since the 94 Chargers 

 

[JuniorNB]

That's it.

No team will capitalize on dumb mistakes better than the Pats.  No team can sneak you when you've taken your foot off the gas better than the Pats.  If Philly plays perfect....they have the talent to win. 

There's a huge advantage to other teams and players watching you come from behind and win so many big the games over the years. The young Defenders on team like Jacksonville have seen this since they were kids. When you have a 10 point lead against them and they have a long drive and Brady throws a touchdown pass, that is so psychologically intimidating to teams. They win a lot just on Mystique alone. Team start playing on their heels. Playing not to lose instead of to win. They are completely psyched out by the Patriots. The Pats automatically have that going into every big game they play. And although this Eagles team is Young and fun and are really playing with house money at this point, they are not exempt of this human emotion. I'm just hoping it doesn't come down to that

 

[Anarchy99]

This is the equalizer.  NE has the best QB and the best coach, but the Eagles are the better team this year.  And while Pederson may not be the coach BB is, he's far from a bad coach.  Its possible the moment becomes too big for Doug or Foles, but its laughable people would count them out before they even kickoff.

Here's the thing. Over the years, there have been multiple times when the opponent was more physically gifted than NE has been (bigger, stronger, faster, younger). But they may not have been mentally better, better prepared, more experienced, or better coached. In those cases, which team is "better?"

Similarly, over the years, opponents have done things wrong or made mistakes that NE typically doesn't do. Turnovers, penalties, poor play calling, clock management, buckling under pressure, etc. So again, how do we define which team is "better?" I am not saying either team will win or lose, but the label of being a better team is in the eye of the beholder, just like the Who'S Better - Rodgers or Brady thread.

As far as the game goes, I would not be shocked by a very low scoring game in the first half (like 7-3) but a track meet in the second half (like 40 points scored). It has the feel of final drive one team scores to win or the defense holds to win. 

 

[Anarchy99]

There's a huge advantage to other teams and players watching you come from behind and win so many big the games over the years. The young Defenders on team like Jacksonville have seen this since they were kids. When you have a 10 point lead against them and they have a long drive and Brady throws a touchdown pass, that is so psychologically intimidating to teams. They win a lot just on Mystique alone. Team start playing on their heels. Playing not to lose instead of to win. They are completely psyched out by the Patriots. The Pats automatically have that going into every big game they play. And although this Eagles team is Young and fun and are really playing with house money at this point, they are not exempt of this human emotion. I'm just hoping it doesn't come down to that

Tom Brady = Keyser Söze

 

[JuniorNB]

Eagles gotta be the worst team to make a superbowl since the 94 Chargers 

Probably ever.  I'll be shocked if Belichick even bothers to dress Brady or Gronk. These are the games when you want to get your backups some big game experience.

 

[Thunderlips]

There's a huge advantage to other teams and players watching you come from behind and win so many big the games over the years. The young Defenders on team like Jacksonville have seen this since they were kids. When you have a 10 point lead against them and they have a long drive and Brady throws a touchdown pass, that is so psychologically intimidating to teams. They win a lot just on Mystique alone. Team start playing on their heels. Playing not to lose instead of to win. They are completely psyched out by the Patriots. The Pats automatically have that going into every big game they play. And although this Eagles team is Young and fun and are really playing with house money at this point, they are not exempt of this human emotion. I'm just hoping it doesn't come down to that

That's part of what they're paying Doug for.  Presumably.....that's what Malcom Jenkins, Chris Long and others who have Super Bowl experience will help with. 

 

[Thunderlips]

Just off the top...

I'd say that Philly is more NE like (let's take away the mystique and HoF talent/careers of both BB and TB on this one) than most teams NE has faced this year.  They're deep both on O and D.  The idea of BB taking away what you do best is going to be a bit more difficuly with PHI than with other teams as they spread the ball around well.*

* That being said...one thing I have to believe you'll see is NE running a no-huddle for the game as PHI has exceptional DL depth......and in fact, if NE wins a close one late....I'm sure the PHI DL being gassed will be a main reason.

 

[Amused to Death]

This is the equalizer.  NE has the best QB and the best coach, but the Eagles are the better team this year.  And while Pederson may not be the coach BB is, he's far from a bad coach.  Its possible the moment becomes too big for Doug or Foles, but its laughable people would count them out before they even kickoff.

Here's the thing. Over the years, there have been multiple times when the opponent was more physically gifted than NE has been (bigger, stronger, faster, younger). But they may not have been mentally better, better prepared, more experienced, or better coached. In those cases, which team is "better?"

Similarly, over the years, opponents have done things wrong or made mistakes that NE typically doesn't do. Turnovers, penalties, poor play calling, clock management, buckling under pressure, etc. So again, how do we define which team is "better?" I am not saying either team will win or lose, but the label of being a better team is in the eye of the beholder, just like the Who'S Better - Rodgers or Brady thread.

As far as the game goes, I would not be shocked by a very low scoring game in the first half (like 7-3) but a track meet in the second half (like 40 points scored). It has the feel of final drive one team scores to win or the defense holds to win. 

Agreed.

 

[voiceofunreason]

This is going to be awful. The 2 most insufferable fan bases in football, and we're never going to hear the end of it from the winner. Think I'll plan a bender in a couple weekends just to miss out on all of it.

How’d the hawks get back to the super bowl? They weren’t even in the playoffs. That’s a great comeback.

 

[Thunderlips]

How’d the hawks get back to the super bowl? They weren’t even in the playoffs. That’s a great comeback.

Legion of Boom is that powerful. 

 

[JuniorGong]

wow, 2 weeks of Pats fans has to be the 6th or 7th circle of hell from Dante's Inferno

Right up there with watching film of Fultz shooting jumpers for two weeks straight

 

[ProstheticRGK]

The most vile fan base vs the most hated fan base. Should be a great game, winner gets the Lombardi trophy and loser goes back to Philadelphia.

Cool. let me know which strip club Gronk will be at. id like to make some extra money selling a phone video to TMZ

 

[kyoun1e]

PHI can win this game. 

NE D was beyond  mediocre yesterday and it's mediocre in general. JAX dominated TOP. Made Bortles look like an all pro yesterday for most of the game. Serious problems covering RBs out of the backfield.

Think this comes down to Foles. If good Foles shows up, I think this game is a toss up. If bad Foles shows up and mistakes are made, game snowballs in NE's favor.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Bortles played well vs. PITT, and played a very good first half yesterday.  He's no Foles, mind you, but one big reason he didn't finish the way he started was NE's attack.  Bortles and Foles are the same level of QB, IMO.  Borderline backups.

I think you’re wrong. Foles just came off a huge win against the best D in the league, and threw roughly 80% completions, 350 yds 3 TD 0 INT. thats not a borderline back up. Minny’s D is better than NE’s. 

Foles never got 1st team reps, at all, until Carson went down. He’s showing a lot more rhythym now, and has obviously built some rapport with the WRs and TEs. Is he Brady level? No. Of course not. But I don’t think he has to be to win.

 

[JuniorGong]

I think the Eagles have been the best team in the NFL all season and certainly looked good ### beating a dome team at home in the elements yesterday. I expect a very close game in the SB and give Philly a 40% chance of winning.

For the Pats, the biggest revelation this playoffs has been Danny Amendola. He was clutch last year in the playoffs but he has basically been as good as peak Edelman this playoff run. 

 

[Casting Couch]

Reposting what I wrote in the Eagles' thread:

I can see us beating NE the way NYG did both times: Getting pressure on Brady and hitting him frequently while rushing 4, running the ball well, and making a big play or two in the passing game when it's most needed. 

Kind of what JAX tried to do ?

 

[Anarchy99]

I am going to throw stuff out here for the next two weeks . . .

In the week after Foles led Eagles teams have scored 35 or more points, PHI has gone 3-1 (but their scoring dropped off by an average of 18.3 ppg . . . from 44 ppg to 25.75 ppg ).

In the post season with TB, NE has gone 16-0 when a positive turnover differential, 4-3 with an equal turnover margin, and 7-6 allowing more turnovers.

Since Foles went crazy in 2013, this was the first time he posted back to back games in the same season with a 100+ passer rating (25 games played as a starter in that time).

 

[Yogibear]

I bet all of you are wondering why I think the Super Bowl is going into double overtime.  Well, based on my math during the regular season, the Eagles scored an average of 28.5625 points per game while giving up an average of 18.4375 points per game.  As for the Patriots, they scored an average of 28.625 points per game while giving up an average of 18.5 points per game.  So, if my math is correct, the Eagles and Patriots are guaranteed to score at least 23.53125 points apiece, which, if you round it up means at least 24 points apiece for both teams, which means: DOUBLE OVERTIME!

 

[JuniorNB]

How many Patriots would start on this Eagles team?

Let's see...

Offense:

Brady, Gronk, Cooks, probably Nate Solder at LT with Peters out.  So that's 4 of the 11. 

Defense:

McCourty and Gilmoure. 

So 6 Patriots on this team would break the starting 22 of the Eagles. And I'll throw in Gostkowski at kicker. 

While this may seem like a dig at the Patriots, it's more of a compliment to the talent of Brady and the genius of Belichick. Only 4 Pats would start on the Steelers. 

 

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PHI can win this game. 

NE D was beyond  mediocre yesterday and it's mediocre in general.

 oh come on. They're the top scoring defense in the NFL since October.. they've allowed the same amount of points as Philly this year. They give up yards, always have... They are a classic bend don't break defense. 

 

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I bet all of you are wondering why I think the Super Bowl is going into double overtime.  Well, based on my math during the regular season, the Eagles scored an average of 28.5625 points per game while giving up an average of 18.4375 points per game.  As for the Patriots, they scored an average of 28.625 points per game while giving up an average of 18.5 points per game.  So, if my math is correct, the Eagles and Patriots are guaranteed to score at least 23.53125 point apiece, which, if you round it up means at least 24 points apiece for both teams, which means: DOUBLE OVERTIME!

This is the worst shtick the Shark Pool has seen in years... and that's saying something. 

 

[Football Jones]

He's a Cowboys fan who insists that Prescott is better than Wentz. Disregard anything he says about football. And disregard it twice if it's about the eagles. 

LOL. That's a good one. 

I think you guys have had a great season, but I believe you're significantly outmanned in this one. I'm not the only one who believes it. 

My initial feeling once the matchups were decided is you're a pretty big underdog & the line supports that. Why are you shocked when somebody validates the line?

 

[JuniorNB]

LOL. That's a good one. 

I think you guys have had a great season, but I believe you're significantly outmanned in this one. I'm not the only one who believes it. 

My initial feeling once the matchups were decided is you're a pretty big underdog & the line supports that. Why are you shocked when somebody validates the line?

What were your thoughts on the Minnesota game?

 

[Anarchy99]

PHI can win this game. 

NE D was beyond  mediocre yesterday and it's mediocre in general. JAX dominated TOP. Made Bortles look like an all pro yesterday for most of the game. Serious problems covering RBs out of the backfield.

Think this comes down to Foles. If good Foles shows up, I think this game is a toss up. If bad Foles shows up and mistakes are made, game snowballs in NE's favor.

You just described the NE game plan for years. Let the other team make mistakes. I just posted a minute ago that in the playoffs, NE has gone 16-0 when winning the turnover battle. BB has figured out that opponents will make dumb mistakes whether it be in play calling, turnovers, penalties, clock management, coaching, etc. That's their thing.