***Official Survivor S29: San Juan Del Sur*** (1 Viewer)

[Dickies]

For an overall lackluster season, the finale was one of the best I can recall. Reed's speech was probably the best I have heard yet, and I thought this was one of the least bitter juries in the history of the show. Natalie definitely deserved to win, and played a damn good game throughout. I don't even think the people playing the game realized that she was in control.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

best survivor move ever!

GREAT move..just won it for her IF she makes the final 3

I'm confused on how it was a GREAT move? She swapped out Baylor for Jaclyn. She's had Baylor in her pocket for weeks and Jaclyn ended up beating her in the final immunity, putting her in jeopardy of being sent packing. Maybe Baylor beats her too, but that's a coin-flip at worst. Yes, she was able to convince Jac to boot Keith, but I think it's almost a lock that she could have made the exact same case to Baylor and Missy. Jaclyn already had a vote and supporter in Jon sitting on the jury, whereas neither Baylor or Missy seemed to have any support over there.

Sure it was GREAT entertainment watching Baylor and Missy's reaction, and it FELT like a big move, but strategically it was "meh" at best, IMO. If it's Nat, Baylor, and Missy in the final three, it might well have been 8-0 for Nat instead of 2-5-1.

Nat had to get to the final 3. If she lets Jaclyn get voted out at 5, she has a final 4 of her, Baylor, Missy and Keith. Missy had been worthless at challenges and Baylor not much better. That means she has to beat Keith or else go home and miss the final tribal. Not that Jaclyn was a much better option to win the ensuing challenge, but it atleast broke up a voting block. I think I'd have preferred her to send Missy home as Baylor would probably have been more likely to side with Nat in a vote, but either way it was the right move.

She broke up a voting block who had never given any indication they would go against her and whose only other option would have been Keith, which would have been even more suicidal for them. At least against Natalie they could make the case that they were a team and all equally instrumental in getting to that point in the game. I don't know what case they possibly could have made against Keith who had been dodging bullets for weeks.

You're completely ignoring the final immunity challenge.

How so? It's Jac or Baylor? Had either one done much in challenges to that point? Like you said, it's a coin flip.

Most probable outcome for the next challenge was a Keith win. If he wins when the other members are Nat, Baylor and Missy, then Nat can at best hope for a fire challenge. By breaking up the voting block she opened up the possibility of making the finals without winning final immunity.

Voting aside, she made the move in front of the jury. Having the balls to pull that in front of the jury is what won it for her because she doesnt have to explain it. she did it right then and there. the added benefit was baylor was gone, which meant one player couldnt compete so it helped her in the final challenge, in the voting situation as well as gets Jac on her side(even after blindsiding her man).

 

[jamny]

Baylor looked hot at the reunion.

 

[Mario Kart]

I don't think the jury was swayed one way or another from the answers the three gave them. Alec had a question that Natalie hit out of the park with her answer. Not sure it was a softball question but Natalie didn't dance around it at all.

Alec: What's your biggest one move of the game? And, how did it affect the turn out of the game?

Natalie didn't hesitate at all.

Natalie: (paraphrase) Voting you out because Keith would help me get Jon out.

Her answer solidified her manipulation of the tribe, her causing the people to get voted out and she openly admitted, "yeah, I screwed you over but I had to and look at me now." Perfect answer.

 

[JZilla]

Baylor looked hot at the reunion.

Hot Mess 101

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Baylor looked hot at the reunion.

Hot Mess 101

looked thick in those red yoga pants

 

[krsone21]

Getting Baylor voted out when she did was the right move and here is why. Going into the final challenge if it were Missy, Baylor, Jac, and Natalie and say Jac won which she did. There is no way in my opinion that Missy and Baylor were going to vote for each other so the only person left to vote out was Natalie unless Natalie could convince Jac to let the vote go to a tie. It was really a brilliant move by Natalie.

 

[parrot]

best survivor move ever!

GREAT move..just won it for her IF she makes the final 3

I'm confused on how it was a GREAT move? She swapped out Baylor for Jaclyn. She's had Baylor in her pocket for weeks and Jaclyn ended up beating her in the final immunity, putting her in jeopardy of being sent packing. Maybe Baylor beats her too, but that's a coin-flip at worst. Yes, she was able to convince Jac to boot Keith, but I think it's almost a lock that she could have made the exact same case to Baylor and Missy. Jaclyn already had a vote and supporter in Jon sitting on the jury, whereas neither Baylor or Missy seemed to have any support over there.

Sure it was GREAT entertainment watching Baylor and Missy's reaction, and it FELT like a big move, but strategically it was "meh" at best, IMO. If it's Nat, Baylor, and Missy in the final three, it might well have been 8-0 for Nat instead of 2-5-1.

Nat had to get to the final 3. If she lets Jaclyn get voted out at 5, she has a final 4 of her, Baylor, Missy and Keith. Missy had been worthless at challenges and Baylor not much better. That means she has to beat Keith or else go home and miss the final tribal. Not that Jaclyn was a much better option to win the ensuing challenge, but it atleast broke up a voting block. I think I'd have preferred her to send Missy home as Baylor would probably have been more likely to side with Nat in a vote, but either way it was the right move.

She broke up a voting block who had never given any indication they would go against her and whose only other option would have been Keith, which would have been even more suicidal for them. At least against Natalie they could make the case that they were a team and all equally instrumental in getting to that point in the game. I don't know what case they possibly could have made against Keith who had been dodging bullets for weeks.

You're completely ignoring the final immunity challenge.

How so? It's Jac or Baylor? Had either one done much in challenges to that point? Like you said, it's a coin flip.

Most probable outcome for the next challenge was a Keith win. If he wins when the other members are Nat, Baylor and Missy, then Nat can at best hope for a fire challenge. By breaking up the voting block she opened up the possibility of making the finals without winning final immunity.

I guess I can accept this logic. Maybe it did give her another potential out, though, even as poor a strategic player as Keith was, I find it hard to imagine even him taking Nat to final 3 over either Missy or Baylor. He voted for Nat at final so he obviously felt she was more deserving than Missy for sure. And of course Keith didn't win immunity, which actually left her in more danger than if she had booted Jac, IMO. Yes, she just saved Jac, but she also back-stabbed Jon, and Jac was something of a wild-card throughout the game. I still say it was a marginal move strategically, though highly entertaining.

 

[Instinctive]

How do we feel about the "collar" season for next season (starting February)?

 

[squidrope]

How do we feel about the "collar" season for next season (starting February)?

Watching the collarless team should be fun

 

[QuizGuy66]

How do we feel about the "collar" season for next season (starting February)?

Survivor: Class Warfare

- though I think they should've had a Mactor tribe too.

-QG

 

[Mile High]

How do we feel about the "collar" season for next season (starting February)?

Spoiled cast so far. Subject to change. Don't click if you don't want to know, just cast members no game spoilers.

http://truedorktimes.com/s30/survivometer30.htm

 

[Instinctive]

How do we feel about the "collar" season for next season (starting February)?

Survivor: Class Warfare

- though I think they should've had a Mactor tribe too.

-QG

I'm excited about the three tribe deal again

 

[offdee]

Getting Baylor voted out when she did was the right move and here is why. Going into the final challenge if it were Missy, Baylor, Jac, and Natalie and say Jac won which she did. There is no way in my opinion that Missy and Baylor were going to vote for each other so the only person left to vote out was Natalie unless Natalie could convince Jac to let the vote go to a tie. It was really a brilliant move by Natalie.

Not to mention one less player to compete against in the final immunity challenge cuz odds are Missy wouldn't be able to do it with her injury. Just for this, keep Missy over Baylor.

 

[Loan Sharks]

How do we feel about the "collar" season for next season (starting February)?

Survivor: Class Warfare

- though I think they should've had a Mactor tribe too.

-QG

I am pretty excited for it. I wanted something interesting and new or a classic no bull#### season. I was gonna lose it if it was blood/water, redemption, one world, all stars or beauty brains brawn etc.

Of course it will probably be terrible but I will give it a go. There is no chance that they white collar people will be likable they are going to stack it with douchy lawyers and stock brokers.

 

[Pop Tart]

How do we feel about the "collar" season for next season (starting February)?

They never said where this was happening, did they?

 

[oso diablo]

so Natalie spends her whole life with her twin, and the first moment that they spend apart, Natalie snags a $1mm prize. that's got to feel weird for them.

 

[QuizGuy66]

So it Otis on the White Collar tribe?

-QG

 

[blend]

I admit, I'm somewhat surprised that Nathalie's previous Amazing Race experience wasn't ever really brought up? I mean, they were so annoying on that show, that I find it hard to believe that impressions of them weren't at the front of many people's thought process. Cripes, it was for Rocker and in the past with previous Survivor contestants.

 

[EYLive]

I admit, I'm somewhat surprised that Nathalie's previous Amazing Race experience wasn't ever really brought up? I mean, they were so annoying on that show, that I find it hard to believe that impressions of them weren't at the front of many people's thought process. Cripes, it was for Rocker and in the past with previous Survivor contestants.

They are annoying as a pair only (apparently). And the other racers are probably too busy trying to win to pay attention to the twins. It's just the viewers that get to see all their meltdowns.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I admit, I'm somewhat surprised that Nathalie's previous Amazing Race experience wasn't ever really brought up? I mean, they were so annoying on that show, that I find it hard to believe that impressions of them weren't at the front of many people's thought process. Cripes, it was for Rocker and in the past with previous Survivor contestants.

All neutralized when the other twinnie was booted.

-QG

 

[jamny]

I admit, I'm somewhat surprised that Nathalie's previous Amazing Race experience wasn't ever really brought up? I mean, they were so annoying on that show, that I find it hard to believe that impressions of them weren't at the front of many people's thought process. Cripes, it was for Rocker and in the past with previous Survivor contestants.

All neutralized when the other twinnie was booted.

-QG

And separated right from the start.

Amazing Race is a much more high-paced game. Imagine an immunity challenge for the whole hour. Instincts come out much easier in that situation and the two of them together were very conniving and disrespectful to other teams. And the high-pitched yelling of "GO TWINNIE!" for the duration of the show was unbearable. I don't know if Nat is better than the other one because I still can't tell them apart, but I think in Survivor you have to be much more calculated which played to their strength.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

I never disliked the twinnies (probably because my wife is a twin and I'm used to the insanity) but I'm surprised and happy with the strategy that Nat played. she engineered the voting out of the last 4 people, and it really was brilliant.

1. "accidentally" vote out Alec to keep Keith, who will vote with her next time

2. use Keith's new vote with her alliance to blindside Jon

3. offer to "save" Jac to blindside Baylor

4. use Jac's new loyalty to get out Keith

it really was amazing, and as opposed to someone like Russell, she did it all without really pissing anyone off, assuring her that she would get the winning votes. amazing.

 

[QuizGuy66]

"Did you vote how I told you to, Jaclyn?"

Gangsta move - there's no way Jaclyn won't say "yes" to that.

Certainly a gamble - I mean how the hell they didn't vote her off at F4 is beyond me. But to make an irrefutable case in front of the jury like that is too much of a winning move to not take that gamble.

-QG

 

[Loan Sharks]

"Did you vote how I told you to, Jaclyn?"

Gangsta move - there's no way Jaclyn won't say "yes" to that.

Certainly a gamble - I mean how the hell they didn't vote her off at F4 is beyond me. But to make an irrefutable case in front of the jury like that is too much of a winning move to not take that gamble.

-QG

Yeah, when the jury can't stay quiet and are falling out of their seats at the epic Nat move apparently everyone noticed except dumb ### Jackie.

No matter what else happened taking her after that big balling theater, you probably have no brain or ######.

 

[parrot]

I never disliked the twinnies (probably because my wife is a twin and I'm used to the insanity) but I'm surprised and happy with the strategy that Nat played. she engineered the voting out of the last 4 people, and it really was brilliant.

1. "accidentally" vote out Alec to keep Keith, who will vote with her next time

2. use Keith's new vote with her alliance to blindside Jon

3. offer to "save" Jac to blindside Baylor

4. use Jac's new loyalty to get out Keith

it really was amazing, and as opposed to someone like Russell, she did it all without really pissing anyone off, assuring her that she would get the winning votes. amazing.

1. Why expose yourself here and in the process leave a strong challenge player in the game? If you just stick with the plan, what other options does Alec have at that point other than to go along just like Keith did?

2. See 1.

3. Keep Baylor instead and don't put Missy's loved one on the jury.

4. Trust that Baylor and Missy, who've been loyal far longer than Jac, see the same logic in voting out Keith.

Go to final tribal with Baylor and Missy.

By booting Baylor when she did, she essentially assured that two jury votes would not go to her if the plan to get rid of Keith at 4 worked. Jon's would go to Jac, and Baylor's would go to Missy. If she boots Jac instead, and assuming Keith still doesn't win immunity, both Baylor and Missy are in the final with no guaranteed votes, and Jac and Jon's votes are both up for grabs. I know it worked out, but her move essentially made a quarter of the votes off limits to her that otherwise would have been completely in play, and probably hers for the taking.

 

[jamny]

"Did you vote how I told you to, Jaclyn?"

Gangsta move - there's no way Jaclyn won't say "yes" to that.

Certainly a gamble - I mean how the hell they didn't vote her off at F4 is beyond me. But to make an irrefutable case in front of the jury like that is too much of a winning move to not take that gamble.

-QG

Great description.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I never disliked the twinnies (probably because my wife is a twin and I'm used to the insanity) but I'm surprised and happy with the strategy that Nat played. she engineered the voting out of the last 4 people, and it really was brilliant.

1. "accidentally" vote out Alec to keep Keith, who will vote with her next time

2. use Keith's new vote with her alliance to blindside Jon

3. offer to "save" Jac to blindside Baylor

4. use Jac's new loyalty to get out Keith

it really was amazing, and as opposed to someone like Russell, she did it all without really pissing anyone off, assuring her that she would get the winning votes. amazing.

1. Why expose yourself here and in the process leave a strong challenge player in the game? If you just stick with the plan, what other options does Alec have at that point other than to go along just like Keith did? Who would Alec think kept him in the game - Nat? Or Jon? Natalie gains no currency by sticking with the plan. Alec meekly goes at 6 and then it's 2 pairs and Natalie. If Natalie picks a side at that point she gets less strategic credit. It's just circumstance that placed her in that spot.

2. See 1. See 1. Alec comes into that vote not owing her anything - and probably has no relationship with her beforehand to rely on. And amazingly the dude had less strategic ability than Keith. At least Keith had the instinct of seeing what gets him ahead. Alec can't even keep his mouth closed. Literally.

3. Keep Baylor instead and don't put Missy's loved one on the jury. And then you're in a final 3 with Missy and Baylor where you aren't seen as having made any strategic moves whatsoever. You're seen as a passenger. Missy, while not well liked, is more likely to win a gruding victory b/c she'll be paired with 2 people in Baylor and move-free Nat and so by default is the only strategic mind left.

4. Trust that Baylor and Missy, who've been loyal far longer then Jac, see the same logic in voting out Keith. Again no resume building if you do that - you're just being a passenger on the Missy/Baylor express. Moves have to be seen to be given credit. And clearly Missy and Baylor didn't see the logic in voting out Keith - since they opted to not go with that as a plan.

Go to final tribal with Baylor and Missy.

By booting Baylor when she did, she essentially assured that two jury votes would not go to her if the plan to get rid of Keith at 4 worked. Jon's would go to Jac, and Baylor's would go to Missy. If she boots Jac instead, and assuming Keith still doesn't win immunity, both Baylor and Missy are in the final with no guaranteed votes, and Jac and Jon's votes are both up for grabs. I know it worked, but her move essentially made a quarter of the votes off limits to her that otherwise would have been completely in play, and probably hers for the taking.

Who is the last winner that won by going along with the plans of others? That was the silent partner in the alliance running the game?

-QG

 

[Mario Kart]

"Did you vote how I told you to, Jaclyn?"

Gangsta move - there's no way Jaclyn won't say "yes" to that.

Certainly a gamble - I mean how the hell they didn't vote her off at F4 is beyond me. But to make an irrefutable case in front of the jury like that is too much of a winning move to not take that gamble.

-QG

Great description.

Gansta move would have been Jaclyn telling Natalie she did vote for "who she was supposed to vote for" which Natalie uses her idol on Jaclyn to save her. Then, Natalie votes for Baylor and Jaclyn votes for Natalie. Then Baylor nor Natalie can't vote in the tie breaker and most likely Natalie goes home with Missy, Keith, and Jaclyn voting for Natalie.

Jaclyn makes Natalie use her idol on Jaclyn to save her but Jaclyn in the same tribal votes out Natalie while being saved by Natalie.

Gangsta!

 

[jamny]

"Did you vote how I told you to, Jaclyn?"

Gangsta move - there's no way Jaclyn won't say "yes" to that.

Certainly a gamble - I mean how the hell they didn't vote her off at F4 is beyond me. But to make an irrefutable case in front of the jury like that is too much of a winning move to not take that gamble.

-QG

Great description.

Gansta move would have been Jaclyn telling Natalie she did vote for "who she was supposed to vote for" which Natalie uses her idol on Jaclyn to save her. Then, Natalie votes for Baylor and Jaclyn votes for Natalie. Then Baylor nor Natalie can't vote in the tie breaker and most likely Natalie goes home with Missy, Keith, and Jaclyn voting for Natalie.

Jaclyn makes Natalie use her idol on Jaclyn to save her but Jaclyn in the same tribal votes out Natalie while being saved by Natalie.

Gangsta!

It wasn't so much the move that was gangsta, it was how and when she said it.

 

[Mile High]

"Did you vote how I told you to, Jaclyn?"

Gangsta move - there's no way Jaclyn won't say "yes" to that.

Certainly a gamble - I mean how the hell they didn't vote her off at F4 is beyond me. But to make an irrefutable case in front of the jury like that is too much of a winning move to not take that gamble.

-QG

Great description.

Gansta move would have been Jaclyn telling Natalie she did vote for "who she was supposed to vote for" which Natalie uses her idol on Jaclyn to save her. Then, Natalie votes for Baylor and Jaclyn votes for Natalie. Then Baylor nor Natalie can't vote in the tie breaker and most likely Natalie goes home with Missy, Keith, and Jaclyn voting for Natalie.

Jaclyn makes Natalie use her idol on Jaclyn to save her but Jaclyn in the same tribal votes out Natalie while being saved by Natalie.

Gangsta!

Jacklyn could have won the game if she was able to pull that off.

 

[parrot]

I never disliked the twinnies (probably because my wife is a twin and I'm used to the insanity) but I'm surprised and happy with the strategy that Nat played. she engineered the voting out of the last 4 people, and it really was brilliant.

1. "accidentally" vote out Alec to keep Keith, who will vote with her next time

2. use Keith's new vote with her alliance to blindside Jon

3. offer to "save" Jac to blindside Baylor

4. use Jac's new loyalty to get out Keith

it really was amazing, and as opposed to someone like Russell, she did it all without really pissing anyone off, assuring her that she would get the winning votes. amazing.

1. Why expose yourself here and in the process leave a strong challenge player in the game? If you just stick with the plan, what other options does Alec have at that point other than to go along just like Keith did? Who would Alec think kept him in the game - Nat? Or Jon? Natalie gains no currency by sticking with the plan. Alec meekly goes at 6 and then it's 2 pairs and Natalie. If Natalie picks a side at that point she gets less strategic credit. It's just circumstance that placed her in that spot. And exposing herself by going against her alliance? I don't think the marginal strategic gain was worth the risk here. I will give her credit for talking her way out of it though. This is why I say she was the one-eyed man in the land of the blind. Good players would have smoked her out right there.2. See 1. See 1. Alec comes into that vote not owing her anything - and probably has no relationship with her beforehand to rely on. And amazingly the dude had less strategic ability than Keith. At least Keith had the instinct of seeing what gets him ahead. Alec can't even keep his mouth closed. Literally. Alec may not "owe" her anything but he's still a rat in a trap and the rest of the alliance is still sticking to the plan for all appearances. And as far as keeping his mouth closed, Keith was the guy who made the huge tribal council blunder.

3. Keep Baylor instead and don't put Missy's loved one on the jury. And then you're in a final 3 with Missy and Baylor where you aren't seen as having made any strategic moves whatsoever. You're seen as a passenger. Missy, while not well liked, is more likely to win a gruding victory b/c she'll be paired with 2 people in Baylor and move-free Nat and so by default is the only strategic mind left. Missy was planning to go with Jon. She had to be forced into that move. You point that out to the jury.

4. Trust that Baylor and Missy, who've been loyal far longer then Jac, see the same logic in voting out Keith. Again no resume building if you do that - you're just being a passenger on the Missy/Baylor express. Moves have to be seen to be given credit. And clearly Missy and Baylor didn't see the logic in voting out Keith - since they opted to not go with that as a plan. They didn't "opt" for anything, they never got far enough to be in that position.

Go to final tribal with Baylor and Missy.

By booting Baylor when she did, she essentially assured that two jury votes would not go to her if the plan to get rid of Keith at 4 worked. Jon's would go to Jac, and Baylor's would go to Missy. If she boots Jac instead, and assuming Keith still doesn't win immunity, both Baylor and Missy are in the final with no guaranteed votes, and Jac and Jon's votes are both up for grabs. I know it worked, but her move essentially made a quarter of the votes off limits to her that otherwise would have been completely in play, and probably hers for the taking.

Who is the last winner that won by going along with the plans of others? That was the silent partner in the alliance running the game?

-QG

What plans of other? She was still calling the shots. She still would have engineered getting rid of Jon, she still would have had an outlier to deal with, but Alec instead of Keith, and she takes two people to the final that have no vote or real advocates on the jury. Resume building is nice, but you only need to have a better resume than the next best and I think she would have had that comfortably. She said several episodes ago that she would be totally comfortable sitting with Missy and BayLor at final tribal. She played a great social game, and a decent strategic game, just not the masterful one many are making it out to be. I think many of her moves were perceived as being more strategic than they really were, but that includes by the jury, which is all that really matters.

 

[Loan Sharks]

"Did you vote how I told you to, Jaclyn?"

Gangsta move - there's no way Jaclyn won't say "yes" to that.

Certainly a gamble - I mean how the hell they didn't vote her off at F4 is beyond me. But to make an irrefutable case in front of the jury like that is too much of a winning move to not take that gamble.

-QG

Great description.

Gansta move would have been Jaclyn telling Natalie she did vote for "who she was supposed to vote for" which Natalie uses her idol on Jaclyn to save her. Then, Natalie votes for Baylor and Jaclyn votes for Natalie. Then Baylor nor Natalie can't vote in the tie breaker and most likely Natalie goes home with Missy, Keith, and Jaclyn voting for Natalie.

Jaclyn makes Natalie use her idol on Jaclyn to save her but Jaclyn in the same tribal votes out Natalie while being saved by Natalie.

Gangsta!

Jacklyn could have won the game if she was able to pull that off.

Jacklyn didn't know she had it, and votes had already been cast at that point.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

People are questioning the moves by Natalie? I mean, the ones she made resulted in her winning the game but by all means FFA please continue to let us know how badly she played.

 

[Loan Sharks]

People are questioning the moves by Natalie? I mean, the ones she made resulted in her winning the game but by all means FFA please continue to let us know how badly she played.

You need to pipe down. You opinions of others views are null and void. Your opinion is so out of whack you think Natalie is a hottie.

 

[parrot]

People are questioning the moves by Natalie? I mean, the ones she made resulted in her winning the game but by all means FFA please continue to let us know how badly she played.

No one said she played badly.

She certainly played the best of anyone who got close to the end and deserved to win in a walk just like she did.

Yeah, I'm questioning the moves made by Natalie. I thought this was a Survivor discussion thread? I'm a Survivor fan and enjoy discussing things like whether supposed strategic moves were really all that strategic. I guess as long as a player wins any move they made is beyond question? I didn't mean to annoy any Natalie fan boys. :(

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

I never disliked the twinnies (probably because my wife is a twin and I'm used to the insanity) but I'm surprised and happy with the strategy that Nat played. she engineered the voting out of the last 4 people, and it really was brilliant.

1. "accidentally" vote out Alec to keep Keith, who will vote with her next time

2. use Keith's new vote with her alliance to blindside Jon

3. offer to "save" Jac to blindside Baylor

4. use Jac's new loyalty to get out Keith

it really was amazing, and as opposed to someone like Russell, she did it all without really pissing anyone off, assuring her that she would get the winning votes. amazing.

Go to final tribal with Baylor and Missy.

if she's in the final 4 with Missy & Baylor, she HAS to win immunity to even make the final 3. the odds were against her. she played it right.

 

[TheIronSheik]

People are questioning the moves by Natalie? I mean, the ones she made resulted in her winning the game but by all means FFA please continue to let us know how badly she played.

You need to pipe down. You opinions of others views are null and void. Your opinion is so out of whack you think Natalie is a hottie.

 

[parrot]

I never disliked the twinnies (probably because my wife is a twin and I'm used to the insanity) but I'm surprised and happy with the strategy that Nat played. she engineered the voting out of the last 4 people, and it really was brilliant.

1. "accidentally" vote out Alec to keep Keith, who will vote with her next time

2. use Keith's new vote with her alliance to blindside Jon

3. offer to "save" Jac to blindside Baylor

4. use Jac's new loyalty to get out Keith

it really was amazing, and as opposed to someone like Russell, she did it all without really pissing anyone off, assuring her that she would get the winning votes. amazing.

Go to final tribal with Baylor and Missy.

if she's in the final 4 with Missy & Baylor, she HAS to win immunity to even make the final 3. the odds were against her. she played it right.

With Keith being the 4th? The jury was all men to that point and Baylor and Missy were all about the girl power thing all along. They never showed any indication of flipping on Nat. Also Keith already has at least one sure jury vote, and a campaign manager in Wes. I think there's a good chance they would have voted Keith off rather than Nat.

 

[dparker713]

I never disliked the twinnies (probably because my wife is a twin and I'm used to the insanity) but I'm surprised and happy with the strategy that Nat played. she engineered the voting out of the last 4 people, and it really was brilliant.

1. "accidentally" vote out Alec to keep Keith, who will vote with her next time

2. use Keith's new vote with her alliance to blindside Jon

3. offer to "save" Jac to blindside Baylor

4. use Jac's new loyalty to get out Keith

it really was amazing, and as opposed to someone like Russell, she did it all without really pissing anyone off, assuring her that she would get the winning votes. amazing.

Go to final tribal with Baylor and Missy.

if she's in the final 4 with Missy & Baylor, she HAS to win immunity to even make the final 3. the odds were against her. she played it right.

With Keith being the 4th? The jury was all men to that point and Baylor and Missy were all about the girl power thing all along. They never showed any indication of flipping on Nat. Also Keith already has at least one sure jury vote, and a campaign manager in Wes. I think there's a good chance they would have voted Keith off rather than Nat.

With that final 4 it would have been about 90% that either Keith or Nat win immunity.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

People are questioning the moves by Natalie? I

mean, the ones she made resulted in her winning the game but by all means FFA please continue to let us know how badly she played.

You need to pipe down. You opinions of others views are null and void. Your opinion is so out of whack you think Natalie is a hottie.

She looked good at the reunion, I think a lot of you don't like her looks because she is brown

 

[Loan Sharks]

People are questioning the moves by Natalie? I

mean, the ones she made resulted in her winning the game but by all means FFA please continue to let us know how badly she played.

You need to pipe down. You opinions of others views are null and void. Your opinion is so out of whack you think Natalie is a hottie.

She looked good at the reunion, I think a lot of you don't like her looks because she is brown

Greasy, the word you are looking for is greasy not brown. And possibly retarted. A possibly retarted greasy co dependent dip #### adult who wears a dolphin tee shirt that crys because she hasn't seen her sister for 10 days.

 

[Mile High]

Having a three person final is always useless. No idea why they do it so often.

From what I gather the producers MB/JP feel it helps in not getting better players voted out right before the final.

 

[bryhamm]

I never disliked the twinnies (probably because my wife is a twin and I'm used to the insanity) but I'm surprised and happy with the strategy that Nat played. she engineered the voting out of the last 4 people, and it really was brilliant.

1. "accidentally" vote out Alec to keep Keith, who will vote with her next time

2. use Keith's new vote with her alliance to blindside Jon

3. offer to "save" Jac to blindside Baylor

4. use Jac's new loyalty to get out Keith

it really was amazing, and as opposed to someone like Russell, she did it all without really pissing anyone off, assuring her that she would get the winning votes. amazing.

1. Why expose yourself here and in the process leave a strong challenge player in the game? If you just stick with the plan, what other options does Alec have at that point other than to go along just like Keith did? Who would Alec think kept him in the game - Nat? Or Jon? Natalie gains no currency by sticking with the plan. Alec meekly goes at 6 and then it's 2 pairs and Natalie. If Natalie picks a side at that point she gets less strategic credit. It's just circumstance that placed her in that spot.

2. See 1. See 1. Alec comes into that vote not owing her anything - and probably has no relationship with her beforehand to rely on. And amazingly the dude had less strategic ability than Keith. At least Keith had the instinct of seeing what gets him ahead. Alec can't even keep his mouth closed. Literally.

3. Keep Baylor instead and don't put Missy's loved one on the jury. And then you're in a final 3 with Missy and Baylor where you aren't seen as having made any strategic moves whatsoever. You're seen as a passenger. Missy, while not well liked, is more likely to win a gruding victory b/c she'll be paired with 2 people in Baylor and move-free Nat and so by default is the only strategic mind left.

4. Trust that Baylor and Missy, who've been loyal far longer then Jac, see the same logic in voting out Keith. Again no resume building if you do that - you're just being a passenger on the Missy/Baylor express. Moves have to be seen to be given credit. And clearly Missy and Baylor didn't see the logic in voting out Keith - since they opted to not go with that as a plan.

Go to final tribal with Baylor and Missy.

By booting Baylor when she did, she essentially assured that two jury votes would not go to her if the plan to get rid of Keith at 4 worked. Jon's would go to Jac, and Baylor's would go to Missy. If she boots Jac instead, and assuming Keith still doesn't win immunity, both Baylor and Missy are in the final with no guaranteed votes, and Jac and Jon's votes are both up for grabs. I know it worked, but her move essentially made a quarter of the votes off limits to her that otherwise would have been completely in play, and probably hers for the taking.

Who is the last winner that won by going along with the plans of others? That was the silent partner in the alliance running the game?

-QG

The chick who perfected this play and is the only one to win the game twice.

 

[Ned]

People are questioning the moves by Natalie? I

mean, the ones she made resulted in her winning the game but by all means FFA please continue to let us know how badly she played.

You need to pipe down. You opinions of others views are null and void. Your opinion is so out of whack you think Natalie is a hottie.

She looked good at the reunion, I think a lot of you don't like her looks because she is brown

Greasy, the word you are looking for is greasy not brown. And possibly retarted. A possibly retarted greasy co dependent dip #### adult who wears a dolphin tee shirt that crys because she hasn't seen her sister for 10 days.

So tell us how you really feel.

 

[QuizGuy66]

People are questioning the moves by Natalie? I mean, the ones she made resulted in her winning the game but by all means FFA please continue to let us know how badly she played.

No one said she played badly.

She certainly played the best of anyone who got close to the end and deserved to win in a walk just like she did.

Yeah, I'm questioning the moves made by Natalie. I thought this was a Survivor discussion thread? I'm a Survivor fan and enjoy discussing things like whether supposed strategic moves were really all that strategic. I guess as long as a player wins any move they made is beyond question? I didn't mean to annoy any Natalie fan boys. :(

It's not like we're voting folks out of the thread I happen to think Nat had a solid win s'all.

The porn guy used car salesman in season 5 is still pretty tough to beat though. (In the most joyless survivor season ever)

-QG