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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (3 Viewers)

Sloppy writing and pacing on the show, IMO simply for the reason that they've subtlety bludgeoned us over the head so much with the menace of "the Wolves" that all the problems happening in Alexandria right now just seem flat out dumb. Why would I be invested in all of this more humane "man trying to find himself" drama when I KNOW all of these people are about to severely get got? (As much as I'd like to see it)...it's not the Wolves are showing up with matching satin gang jackets, snapping their fingers and challenging Alexandria to a dance off.......they're bad dudes.

This arc feels so much more rushed than it probably should have been. At least give me half season of "adjustment" storylines before you even start teasing these Wolves.
:lmao:

 
Sloppy writing and pacing on the show, IMO simply for the reason that they've subtlety bludgeoned us over the head so much with the menace of "the Wolves" that all the problems happening in Alexandria right now just seem flat out dumb. Why would I be invested in all of this more humane "man trying to find himself" drama when I KNOW all of these people are about to severely get got? (As much as I'd like to see it)...it's not the Wolves are showing up with matching satin gang jackets, snapping their fingers and challenging Alexandria to a dance off.......they're bad dudes.

This arc feels so much more rushed than it probably should have been. At least give me half season of "adjustment" storylines before you even start teasing these Wolves.
:lmao:
http://www.dancespirit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/thriller.jpg

It's about to go DOWN!

 
The preview for the finale shows Rick walking and talking to Glenn in the white t-shirt, and it also shows the preacher standing outside the gate in a white t-shirt with the gate being opened. Wonder what's going on there? Was he exiled and the gate is actually closing?
Was that him or Morgan?

 
Sloppy writing and pacing on the show, IMO simply for the reason that they've subtlety bludgeoned us over the head so much with the menace of "the Wolves" that all the problems happening in Alexandria right now just seem flat out dumb. Why would I be invested in all of this more humane "man trying to find himself" drama when I KNOW all of these people are about to severely get got? (As much as I'd like to see it)...it's not like the Wolves are showing up with matching satin gang jackets, snapping their fingers and challenging Alexandria to a dance off.......they're bad dudes and they've forces that down our throats.

This arc feels so much more rushed than it probably should have been. At least give me half season of "adjustment" storylines before you even start teasing these Wolves.
I thought we were building up to Noah confronting his family's slaughterers (still assuming that was the Wolves at this point, though). Lost that when we lost Noah :kicksrock:

 
I was thinking about the Goveror's town... before Rick got there, what was the worst that was happening? ####### with zombies, ####### with people who got on the wrong side of the "law"/governor by putting them in a zombie battle ground (or did I remember that from another one of these shows/movies?). Governor was obviously a psychopath, but for the hoi-poiloi- didn't they have a good thing going... until Rick and his gang ####ed their world up? Or am I forgetting more of the crazy ####.
In Rick's defense he was just rescuing people the Governor was holding hostage and torturing.

But we've been traveling down the road of just how good are Rick and his group really. That's been a huge theme of the show for awhile now. Last night Rick drove straight off the deep end.
The show keeps hammering that point home ("OMG Those people have done bad things!!!!"), but really Rick's group is basically good all things considered. Relative to everybody else they've encountered, they haven't done anything particularly evil. The worst thing they've done is killing a few cannibals that they technically didn't absolutely have to kill.

Rick wanting to kill a wife-beating drunk isn't exactly a fall into a Hobbesian state of nature. He wants to kill an unlikeable character that everybody in the viewing audience is preconditioned to hate. That's not exactly bold storytelling if the writers are going for some kind of anti-hero angle.

 
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I was thinking about the Goveror's town... before Rick got there, what was the worst that was happening? ####### with zombies, ####### with people who got on the wrong side of the "law"/governor by putting them in a zombie battle ground (or did I remember that from another one of these shows/movies?). Governor was obviously a psychopath, but for the hoi-poiloi- didn't they have a good thing going... until Rick and his gang ####ed their world up? Or am I forgetting more of the crazy ####.
In Rick's defense he was just rescuing people the Governor was holding hostage and torturing.

But we've been traveling down the road of just how good are Rick and his group really. That's been a huge theme of the show for awhile now. Last night Rick drove straight off the deep end.
The show keeps hammering that point home ("OMG Those people have done bad things!!!!"), but really Rick's group is basically good all things considered. Relative to everybody else they've encountered, they haven't done anything particularly evil. The worst thing they've done is killing a few cannibals that they technically didn't absolutely have to kill.

Rick wanting to kill a wife-beating drunk isn't exactly a fall into a Hobbesian state of nature. He wants to kill an unlikeable character that everybody in the viewing audience is preconditioned to hate. That's not exactly bold storytelling if the writers are going for some kind of anti-hero angle.
The whole, murdering a kid thing would probably not play out too great at the next cocktail party.

 
I was thinking about the Goveror's town... before Rick got there, what was the worst that was happening? ####### with zombies, ####### with people who got on the wrong side of the "law"/governor by putting them in a zombie battle ground (or did I remember that from another one of these shows/movies?). Governor was obviously a psychopath, but for the hoi-poiloi- didn't they have a good thing going... until Rick and his gang ####ed their world up? Or am I forgetting more of the crazy ####.
In Rick's defense he was just rescuing people the Governor was holding hostage and torturing.

But we've been traveling down the road of just how good are Rick and his group really. That's been a huge theme of the show for awhile now. Last night Rick drove straight off the deep end.
The show keeps hammering that point home ("OMG Those people have done bad things!!!!"), but really Rick's group is basically good all things considered. Relative to everybody else they've encountered, they haven't done anything particularly evil. The worst thing they've done is killing a few cannibals that they technically didn't absolutely have to kill.

Rick wanting to kill a wife-beating drunk isn't exactly a fall into a Hobbesian state of nature. He wants to kill an unlikeable character that everybody in the viewing audience is preconditioned to hate. That's not exactly bold storytelling if the writers are going for some kind of anti-hero angle.
The whole, murdering a kid thing would probably not play out too great at the next cocktail party.
You're referring to Carol?

 
I was thinking about the Goveror's town... before Rick got there, what was the worst that was happening? ####### with zombies, ####### with people who got on the wrong side of the "law"/governor by putting them in a zombie battle ground (or did I remember that from another one of these shows/movies?). Governor was obviously a psychopath, but for the hoi-poiloi- didn't they have a good thing going... until Rick and his gang ####ed their world up? Or am I forgetting more of the crazy ####.
In Rick's defense he was just rescuing people the Governor was holding hostage and torturing.

But we've been traveling down the road of just how good are Rick and his group really. That's been a huge theme of the show for awhile now. Last night Rick drove straight off the deep end.
The show keeps hammering that point home ("OMG Those people have done bad things!!!!"), but really Rick's group is basically good all things considered. Relative to everybody else they've encountered, they haven't done anything particularly evil. The worst thing they've done is killing a few cannibals that they technically didn't absolutely have to kill.

Rick wanting to kill a wife-beating drunk isn't exactly a fall into a Hobbesian state of nature. He wants to kill an unlikeable character that everybody in the viewing audience is preconditioned to hate. That's not exactly bold storytelling if the writers are going for some kind of anti-hero angle.
The whole, murdering a kid thing would probably not play out too great at the next cocktail party.
You're referring to Carol?
Yea,

The group has a fair amount of blood on their hands if they are telling their stories to a bunch of naive external post town dwellers

 
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:2cents: Nicholas getting Rick's hidden gun is a swerve for Glenn getting killed.
I'm not one to constantly ##### about the show, but this one made me roll my eyes a bit. Nicholaus seems like a pretty incompetent chump, the fact that he could find that gun out there and hide it somewhere else where there is a dead zombie right there was kind of silly. but if that is the silliest part I am ok

 
:2cents: Nicholas getting Rick's hidden gun is a swerve for Glenn getting killed.
I'm not one to constantly ##### about the show, but this one made me roll my eyes a bit. Nicholaus seems like a pretty incompetent chump, the fact that he could find that gun out there and hide it somewhere else where there is a dead zombie right there was kind of silly. but if that is the silliest part I am ok
I admit, I don't pay too much attention.

Is that Ricks gun?

Rick hid his in a blender and then it was gone.

This one was in a coffee can or something?

 
and nobody really talked about that scene... pretty brutal.

If I understood this right- the Ws tied a live girl naked to the tree for the walkers to eat, right before the guys get there? most appropriate/creative use of entrails to cover up frontal nudity in tv history.
It seems strange that the walkers didn't clean her better than they did. I thought it was possible that The "W"'s tied her up and raped her.. cut up her partner and took his head/torso with them and then slashed her open on their way out, sort of a dinner bell for the walkers?

Daryl said "This just happened", but why would walkers dine on her for a few minutes and then just disappear. There was a lot of meat on her bones, it appeared.
:goodposting: totally what I was thinking. I assume we find out more next week, but I can't imagine zombies would just leave it like that. Maybe she got bit, they started eating her, and then as she morphed into a zombie they stopped eating her?

 
:2cents: Nicholas getting Rick's hidden gun is a swerve for Glenn getting killed.
I'm not one to constantly ##### about the show, but this one made me roll my eyes a bit. Nicholaus seems like a pretty incompetent chump, the fact that he could find that gun out there and hide it somewhere else where there is a dead zombie right there was kind of silly. but if that is the silliest part I am ok
I admit, I don't pay too much attention.

Is that Ricks gun?

Rick hid his in a blender and then it was gone.

This one was in a coffee can or something?
good point. Could be another one, and would make more sense too

 
The group has a fair amount of blood on their hands if they are telling their stories to a bunch of naive external post town dwellers
I agree with that part.
We have the context of having seen why they've done what they've done. But taken without context (like, for example, the radio broadcasts Tyreese heard when he was dying) their actions could be viewed as reprehensible in many cases.

 
and nobody really talked about that scene... pretty brutal.

If I understood this right- the Ws tied a live girl naked to the tree for the walkers to eat, right before the guys get there? most appropriate/creative use of entrails to cover up frontal nudity in tv history.
It seems strange that the walkers didn't clean her better than they did. I thought it was possible that The "W"'s tied her up and raped her.. cut up her partner and took his head/torso with them and then slashed her open on their way out, sort of a dinner bell for the walkers?

Daryl said "This just happened", but why would walkers dine on her for a few minutes and then just disappear. There was a lot of meat on her bones, it appeared.
:goodposting: totally what I was thinking. I assume we find out more next week, but I can't imagine zombies would just leave it like that. Maybe she got bit, they started eating her, and then as she morphed into a zombie they stopped eating her?
I think she turned at that moment when Daryl lifted her head.

At least that is the way I took it

 
and nobody really talked about that scene... pretty brutal.

If I understood this right- the Ws tied a live girl naked to the tree for the walkers to eat, right before the guys get there? most appropriate/creative use of entrails to cover up frontal nudity in tv history.
It seems strange that the walkers didn't clean her better than they did. I thought it was possible that The "W"'s tied her up and raped her.. cut up her partner and took his head/torso with them and then slashed her open on their way out, sort of a dinner bell for the walkers?

Daryl said "This just happened", but why would walkers dine on her for a few minutes and then just disappear. There was a lot of meat on her bones, it appeared.
:goodposting: totally what I was thinking. I assume we find out more next week, but I can't imagine zombies would just leave it like that. Maybe she got bit, they started eating her, and then as she morphed into a zombie they stopped eating her?
I think she turned at that moment when Daryl lifted her head.

At least that is the way I took it
Yep, I was just about to say the same thing.

I like the theory that someone else mentioned earlier about her being the bait for the walkers that have not been collected and de-limbed by the yet to be seen bad guys

 
and nobody really talked about that scene... pretty brutal.

If I understood this right- the Ws tied a live girl naked to the tree for the walkers to eat, right before the guys get there? most appropriate/creative use of entrails to cover up frontal nudity in tv history.
It seems strange that the walkers didn't clean her better than they did. I thought it was possible that The "W"'s tied her up and raped her.. cut up her partner and took his head/torso with them and then slashed her open on their way out, sort of a dinner bell for the walkers?

Daryl said "This just happened", but why would walkers dine on her for a few minutes and then just disappear. There was a lot of meat on her bones, it appeared.
:goodposting: totally what I was thinking. I assume we find out more next week, but I can't imagine zombies would just leave it like that. Maybe she got bit, they started eating her, and then as she morphed into a zombie they stopped eating her?
I think she turned at that moment when Daryl lifted her head.

At least that is the way I took it
me too.

I posted a bit ago that an option for this is that the Wolves used her to attract zombies, then cut up the zombies before they could finish her off.

 
and nobody really talked about that scene... pretty brutal.

If I understood this right- the Ws tied a live girl naked to the tree for the walkers to eat, right before the guys get there? most appropriate/creative use of entrails to cover up frontal nudity in tv history.
It seems strange that the walkers didn't clean her better than they did. I thought it was possible that The "W"'s tied her up and raped her.. cut up her partner and took his head/torso with them and then slashed her open on their way out, sort of a dinner bell for the walkers?

Daryl said "This just happened", but why would walkers dine on her for a few minutes and then just disappear. There was a lot of meat on her bones, it appeared.
:goodposting: totally what I was thinking. I assume we find out more next week, but I can't imagine zombies would just leave it like that. Maybe she got bit, they started eating her, and then as she morphed into a zombie they stopped eating her?
I think she turned at that moment when Daryl lifted her head.

At least that is the way I took it
me too.

I posted a bit ago that an option for this is that the Wolves used her to attract zombies, then cut up the zombies before they could finish her off.
Yup, that makes perfect sense.

 
and nobody really talked about that scene... pretty brutal.

If I understood this right- the Ws tied a live girl naked to the tree for the walkers to eat, right before the guys get there? most appropriate/creative use of entrails to cover up frontal nudity in tv history.
It seems strange that the walkers didn't clean her better than they did. I thought it was possible that The "W"'s tied her up and raped her.. cut up her partner and took his head/torso with them and then slashed her open on their way out, sort of a dinner bell for the walkers?

Daryl said "This just happened", but why would walkers dine on her for a few minutes and then just disappear. There was a lot of meat on her bones, it appeared.
:goodposting: totally what I was thinking. I assume we find out more next week, but I can't imagine zombies would just leave it like that. Maybe she got bit, they started eating her, and then as she morphed into a zombie they stopped eating her?
I think she turned at that moment when Daryl lifted her head.

At least that is the way I took it
Yep, I was just about to say the same thing.

I like the theory that someone else mentioned earlier about her being the bait for the walkers that have not been collected and de-limbed by the yet to be seen bad guys
I don't think they de-limb walkers. They seem to mark them, but seeing the first camp they found and the bodies outside of Noah's place, I think they de-limb humans, those didn't look to be "zombie body parts" laying around in either case, I thought the skin looked smooth and clothing looked more normal.

 
:2cents: Nicholas getting Rick's hidden gun is a swerve for Glenn getting killed.
I'm not one to constantly ##### about the show, but this one made me roll my eyes a bit. Nicholaus seems like a pretty incompetent chump, the fact that he could find that gun out there and hide it somewhere else where there is a dead zombie right there was kind of silly. but if that is the silliest part I am ok
I admit, I don't pay too much attention.

Is that Ricks gun?

Rick hid his in a blender and then it was gone.

This one was in a coffee can or something?
good point. Could be another one, and would make more sense too
Pretty sure it was the one Rick hid. It had a "J" on the handle that they clearly showed, and I think they clearly showed that previously when Rick hid it. Agree with the eye roll on him being the one to spy on rick placing it, they don't seem to be too sharp to be able to sneak up on anyone and watch them.

Really thought the girl was going to pull it out of her backpack when she reached in to pull out the timer alarm, now she's sneaky enough where I could have seen her watching the newcomers arrive and place it.

 
Interesting irony where Pete hit his wife instinctively when she tried to break up the fight with Rick, and then Rick did the same to his own son moments later. Interesting facet to the question of whether there are morals/principles driving Rick's conduct or if he's just plain in love and not above hitting his own family member to that end.
I thought it was Deanna who tried to stop the fight, not his wife

 
I am going to go a different way here. I don't think Rick has gone Shane or rabid as some suggest.

I think he wanted to get kicked out. I have a couple of things that say to me Rick feels he needed to get out because he is not able to save everyone inside Alexandria.

1. The conversation with Glenn. The whole point of that was that they have to "teach" then Alexanders how it is now.

2. I think he let Pete "win" the fight. He wanted to show that Pete was brutal as well. WHY?

3. They paused and showed Petes fingers in Ricks mouth and he didn't bite him. Remember this is a guy that bit a guys neck out and he is letting Pete whoop on him and didn't bite? Also he didn't kill him.

4. People are biting on the Pete show. Seems people forgot that Ricks Firsts proposal was to separate the two so they could keep the surgeon and stop the beatings. Diana brought up the exile and Rick balked and said that can't work.

5. Rick is going to teach them while Exile doesn't work. Either someone is justly exiled like the guy in the prison who comes back and hurts you or wrongly like Carol, where you have lost a friend who has temporarily lost their way. Either you kill them or you don't. When Diana refused to make the hard decision about Pete he knew he had to take over. And is now going to Force her to decide what to do with him and Pete.

6. Glenn ask him in the sneak peek "Did you want this?" I think Glenn knows he wanted to get kicked out.

7. I think that whole you have to ask for my help with the chick was him mentally giving himself to take this #### over and save her(and other Alenandrians) no matter the cost.

8. Rick has a plan . It might be a crazy guy loosing his mind plan but there is more to this than meets the eye. Not just a melt down.

 
and nobody really talked about that scene... pretty brutal.

If I understood this right- the Ws tied a live girl naked to the tree for the walkers to eat, right before the guys get there? most appropriate/creative use of entrails to cover up frontal nudity in tv history.
It seems strange that the walkers didn't clean her better than they did. I thought it was possible that The "W"'s tied her up and raped her.. cut up her partner and took his head/torso with them and then slashed her open on their way out, sort of a dinner bell for the walkers?

Daryl said "This just happened", but why would walkers dine on her for a few minutes and then just disappear. There was a lot of meat on her bones, it appeared.
:goodposting: totally what I was thinking. I assume we find out more next week, but I can't imagine zombies would just leave it like that. Maybe she got bit, they started eating her, and then as she morphed into a zombie they stopped eating her?
I think she turned at that moment when Daryl lifted her head.

At least that is the way I took it
Yep, I was just about to say the same thing.

I like the theory that someone else mentioned earlier about her being the bait for the walkers that have not been collected and de-limbed by the yet to be seen bad guys
I don't think they de-limb walkers. They seem to mark them, but seeing the first camp they found and the bodies outside of Noah's place, I think they de-limb humans, those didn't look to be "zombie body parts" laying around in either case, I thought the skin looked smooth and clothing looked more normal.
I think so, too. I think it'd be a fairly dangerous job to de-limb a walker while keeping their torso/head in tact. Much safer to do it to a human. Which of course makes the Wolves that much more evil. It's no big whoop to cut up walkers - nobody likes them. But innocent humans? It puts them on the level of the Termites, IMO. Which leads back to Noah's old neighborhood and how the wall was pulled down by trucks or maybe a tractor. The Wolves slaughtered the neighborhood, making sure to not make head shots so they can de-limb and load em' up in their trucks.

 
In fact this might even be a plan to take care of the Gabriel problem.

Rick lets himself get voted out and tries to get Pete voted out too. Then Rick's group brings Gabriel up for a vote and Rick takes care of them outside the walls.

Rick may know that the biggest threats inside the walls are the surgeon/DIanas refusal to deal with him and Gabriel and Rick sees the only way to protect his children is to get all of them exiled. So he can deal with them the way is needed.

 
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In fact this might even be a plan to take care of the Gabriel problem.

Rick lets himself get voted out and tries to get Pete voted out too. Then Rick's group brings Gabriel up for a vote and Rick takes care of them outside the walls.
I was with you on the other list, but you lost me on this one. Does Rick even know yet that Gabriel is a problem? No Maggie or Gabriel this week would lead me to believe that he doesn't know yet.

 
Interesting irony where Pete hit his wife instinctively when she tried to break up the fight with Rick, and then Rick did the same to his own son moments later. Interesting facet to the question of whether there are morals/principles driving Rick's conduct or if he's just plain in love and not above hitting his own family member to that end.
I thought it was Deanna who tried to stop the fight, not his wife
Jessie tried to stop them and Pete back handed her. Then Rick pushed Carl away when he tried.

 
I don't think Rick has turned into Shane, though he has certainly evolved (or devolved). Shane sacraficed Otis, who was seemingly a good person, and was going to kill his best friend to get something he wanted. He was entirely self-involved. Rick has most certainly killed and dished out some brutal justice, but it has been in the face of a threat to his family/group. All the examples I can think of would be of him killing someone who did something bad/evil. You can justify his actions.

He was fighting a wife-beating, pile of ####. While he clearly had alterior motives, his actions are justified.

 
In fact this might even be a plan to take care of the Gabriel problem.

Rick lets himself get voted out and tries to get Pete voted out too. Then Rick's group brings Gabriel up for a vote and Rick takes care of them outside the walls.
I was with you on the other list, but you lost me on this one. Does Rick even know yet that Gabriel is a problem? No Maggie or Gabriel this week would lead me to believe that he doesn't know yet.
Well, if the parts of the teaser are read correctly. Gabriel is also voted out. That means either Rick knew or at the tribal council Maggie just brings it up and he is voted out.

It may be coincidence that Gabriel gets voted out, Pete may be the actual target. The gabriel in a white T shirt at the gate may be a red herring in the preview.

There is a chance though.

Regardless. I am almost sure part of this was an act to get out, the rest mental case Rick, the reason why I am not so sure.

 
I doubt this will happen but if Rick found some weapons and snuck back in and Diana just woke up to Rick sitting in her bedroom with a gun pointed at her would be awesome. Then Rick says something like.

"I guess exile isn't as much as a death sentence as you thought. I am not going to kill you and you are lucky I am a good guy. I just wanted to show you why you don't exile."

 
These "wolves" or whoever they are better be real badasses.. the way they are building them up.. hope they don't disappoint.

 
I think the fact that the tied up woman already had a W on her forehead before she turned means the Wolves have no problem doing things to living people. So, yeah, they probably de-limbed people before they turned into walkers.

Those are going to be some brutal people to fight.

 
These "wolves" or whoever they are better be real badasses.. the way they are building them up.. hope they don't disappoint.
They are somewhere around issue 76-78 of the comics if you want to check it out. Characters differ (Andrea still alive), but you can get an idea of what might be ahead for the season finale.

 
Didn't I make a "Road Warriors" joke about this a while back or was that only in my own mind?

Wolves have me terrified.

What did Enid whisper to Carl when they were hiding in the tree? "Hope walkers can't sense your boner?"

 
Didn't I make a "Road Warriors" joke about this a while back or was that only in my own mind?

Wolves have me terrified.

What did Enid whisper to Carl when they were hiding in the tree? "Hope walkers can't sense your boner?"
Thought she said something like "cool, you are scared of me too." Or it might have been "if you touch me I'll scream and we both die." Leaning toward the former.

 
Exile is quite possibly the stupidest thing you could do in this world. Yes, send someone out into the world who knows all of the details of your security (or lack thereof) and pray they don't meet a group with the means to attack.

 
Didn't I make a "Road Warriors" joke about this a while back or was that only in my own mind?

Wolves have me terrified.

What did Enid whisper to Carl when they were hiding in the tree? "Hope walkers can't sense your boner?"
Thought she said something like "cool, you are scared of me too." Or it might have been "if you touch me I'll scream and we both die." Leaning toward the former.
No, she said, "good thing I left that red balloon at camp. Now the only thing between us is... you."

 

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