***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

I also thought the zombie cut-away moments after Shane died were meant to show us the transformation going on with Shane as he turned into a walker. That was my take anyway.

 

[babydemon90]

Andrea`s sister took what seemed forever to become a zombie but Shane came back fairly fast ...im guessing theres no consistant time table to become a zombie ?

The CDC guy mentioned a time table of a couple minutes to some hours after death. No relation to time was given other than random.

Right, didn't he mention something about time being involved? I might have inferred.Shane died quickly and immediately became a zombie. Andrea's sister died pretty slowly, and took a while to come back. I'm not saying that's it because we don't have any sort of sample size, and now, the show is moving at very brisk pace compared to the point when the sister got bitten. We didn't have time to sit around for 30 minutes of this episode waiting on Shane to turn.

I still think the CDC guy told Rick about the infection but Rick thought he had time to scramble Shane's egg. Just think about - what could be so bad that the scientist would give up all hope and commit suicide?

CDC may have committed suicide if he knew there was no cure/preventative cure.It can be argued that Rick didn't have time or was having trouble stabbing Shane in the head. But even if you argue that, you can't justify Rick making a noose for Randall in the barn in the episode before this one. If the CDC scientist told Rick that everyone that dies turns into a zombie unless the brain is killed, then he wouldn't have been thinking of hanging Randall, he'd just shoot him in the head. It would bring up too many questions like "Rick, why did you hang him AND shoot him in the head? A little excessive don't you think?"

Most of us do NOT believe that he was told that everyone that dies becomes one..We believe he was told that everyone is infected, but his belief until the last few episodes was that you had to be killed by a one of them to become one of them.

Sure, the secret could have been just that there is no cure.. but that would not be much of a shock.

Being told that everyone is infected AND that there was no cure makes a lot more sense.

Yep.. being told that everyone is infected, but never having seen it, does not mean he believes it whole-heartedly, let alone knows exactly what that means.

 

[jamny]

I also thought the zombie cut-away moments after Shane died were meant to show us the transformation going on with Shane as he turned into a walker. That was my take anyway.

I thought it could have been done better but that's what I thought too.

 

[mr roboto]

So, with Dale and Shane dead... I guess everyone in the group should pretty much just get along, right?

Rainbows and ponies all the way.

I wonder if Andrea will go ape ####; when her sister died, she leaned on Dale. Then she shagged Shane and they had talked about leaving, about how Shane should lead the group. Then Dale died, now Rick kills Shane.She has no allies anymore, got lectured by Lori, and Maggie hates her for not protecting her suicidal sister. Andrea is the biggest wildcard (outside the zombies, of course).

 

[jplvr]

I don't get any argument about Rick knowing, or else he wouldn't be considering hanging Carl

I missed the part where Rick considered hanging his son.

I don't know how I got on that track, but I've been using it often today. What was that kid's name again?

 

[jamny]

I don't get any argument about Rick knowing, or else he wouldn't be considering hanging Carl

I missed the part where Rick considered hanging his son.

I don't know how I got on that track, but I've been using it often today. What was that kid's name again?

Randall

 

[Billy Bats]

I don't get any argument about Rick knowing, or else he wouldn't be considering hanging Carl and should have been more careful not to turn his back on Shane if he was actually waiting. Maybe we'll get that confirmation about the whisper, but if Rick doesn't share it, it will be impossible for me to believe the secret was anything regarding the infection going forward.

Turning and seeing my son pointing a gun at me will make me forget everything else around me, even waiting for Shane to zombify.And I posted earlier that the whisper will definitely be revealed next week.

 

[Copeman]

So who going to be left standing after the finale?

Rick

Lori

Carl

Glenn

Daryl

Andrea

T-Dog

Beth

Maggie

Who is zombie food?

Carol

Patricia

Jimmy

Herschel

 

[jplvr]

I don't get any argument about Rick knowing, or else he wouldn't be considering hanging Carl and should have been more careful not to turn his back on Shane if he was actually waiting. Maybe we'll get that confirmation about the whisper, but if Rick doesn't share it, it will be impossible for me to believe the secret was anything regarding the infection going forward.

Turning and seeing my son pointing a gun at me will make me forget everything else around me, even waiting for Shane to zombify.And I posted earlier that the whisper will definitely be revealed next week.

Carl wasn't pointing the gun at him when he turned around.RANDALL!!! Thanks, jamny.

 

[SacramentoBob]

but they also specifically showed quick cut closeups of zombies faces, teeth, eating things, etc. as Rick stared at Shane's body. To me that definitely signifies he was thinking that Shane was coming back

I thought this was more about a process going on inside Shane than about Rick.

 

[peaces]

I'm pretty sure Shane was committing suicide.

 

[badmojo1006]

So, with Dale and Shane dead... I guess everyone in the group should pretty much just get along, right?

Rainbows and ponies all the way.

I wonder if Andrea will go ape ####; when her sister died, she leaned on Dale. Then she shagged Shane and they had talked about leaving, about how Shane should lead the group. Then Dale died, now Rick kills Shane.She has no allies anymore, got lectured by Lori, and Maggie hates her for not protecting her suicidal sister. Andrea is the biggest wildcard (outside the zombies, of course).

She and Glen had a nice bonding moment at the RV. But, yeah, that could drive a wedge between Maggie and Glen

 

[beer 30]

I think Hershel dies but he'll take the farmhouse with him either explosion or fire. He'll be willing to die but it'll be in a way that he doesn't turn into a zombie. Suicide with a gun shot doesn't seem the way he'd go.

Agree completely

 

[netnalp]

Loving the season and the last few episodes in particular. There's an old saying about if you show a gun in Act 1, it must be fired in Act 3. I think they delivered on that in spades last night:1) Rick put a kill shot in the fat guys goard in the bar after 2 in the chest. At the time I just thought Rick was a no-nonsense cold blooded "can't risk this guy surviving" type decision. We have dialogue about 2 guards not having any bites "only scratches." Rick debates hanging the kid at first (my guess is he thought it was a better way for the kid not to suffer at first, not really thinking about the turning into a zombie angle, then he later rethought that.) Now we get a double dose of broken neck kid coming back with no bites and then Shane coming back after being knifed. To me it is pretty obvious that Rick was broken up about having to kill his best friend and partner, but they also specifically showed quick cut closeups of zombies faces, teeth, eating things, etc. as Rick stared at Shane's body. To me that definitely signifies he was thinking that Shane was coming back and he was waiting to see if it happened. Carl just kind of wondered up at the wrong time (yet again!)2) The farm was protected by the swamp, they've been there for weeks to months now. Lori mentions asking about moving into the house as the weather is changing and its getting colder. Herschel mentions the cattle breaking down the fences and getting loose (a hole in their defenses.) Carl finds a zombie stuck in the swamp mud (another of the defense mechanisms for the farm.) Takes a while but zombie is able to eventually partially free himself and later makes it onto the property trying to munch on Dale. They go out patrolling checking the fence lines and killing even more zombies that made it onto the property and munching another unfortunate bovine. Herschel mentions the river is low and the swamp is drying up making it easier for them to cross. Surviviors move into the house and their supplies closer in and FINALLY start fortifying the farm house in case of attack. And sure enough... the defenses have finally broken down completely and here comes a herd of zombies!!!Anyway, loved the scenes in the dark in the forrest. Tons of tension and spookiness, thought there was some great acting from both Rick and Shane as they are sizing each other up on the walk. Shane figures out that Rick doesn't completely buy his story of how the kid escaped and is keeping him in front of him. Rick doesn't want to believe it but eventually realises that Shane plans to kill him. A lot like the scene in the bar, a ton of tension and just when you think Rick is a little slow or kind of a fool, he pulls a fast one on someone threatening him and comes out on top.Can't wait for next Sunday.

I took the zombie clips as occurring in Shanes mind, like they did for the mechanic when he was dying.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I think Hershel dies but he'll take the farmhouse with him either explosion or fire. He'll be willing to die but it'll be in a way that he doesn't turn into a zombie. Suicide with a gun shot doesn't seem the way he'd go.

Agree completely

Another season ending building explosion in which they narrowly escape?

 

[jplvr]

I'm pretty sure Shane was committing suicide.

Int-resting take. I'm not agreeing, but I like it.I thought it was just another example of Shane talking big, but not being able to follow through. He wanted to kill the walkers in the barn, but Rick killed Sophia. I don't want to argue whether or not Shane would have, but we know he didn't. Daryl had to kill Dale. ...nevermind, this is all wrong as he did just follow through and kill RANDALL. Carry on.

 

[jplvr]

Oh, and I loved the steam coming off Shane's body as he took the last breath.

 

[snogger]

but they also specifically showed quick cut closeups of zombies faces, teeth, eating things, etc. as Rick stared at Shane's body. To me that definitely signifies he was thinking that Shane was coming back

I thought this was more about a process going on inside Shane than about Rick.

At this point I think everyone except Buckna saw it as what was going on inside of Shane, not what Rick was thinking.

 

[roadkill1292]

Shane has consistently underestimated Rick and it ultimately proved fatal.

When Rick asked ####### Shane (rhetorically) if Shane was gonna replace him with his wife and kids, or something like that, Shane said "They'll get over it, they did once before." Ooh, another dumb thing from the dumbest of them all. I certainly understand the people who think Shane is a great character for the dramatic tension he has brought to the show but danged if I understand you folks who think the character was in any way laudible. He was the moron's moron.

 

[Copeman]

Maybe this preview or promo thing we keep seeing with Daryl riding his bike through down a small road in the dark with zombies everywhere will show up in the finale. Maybe the walkers surround the house and he grabs his bike (which is away from the house) and lures them away or something.

 

[Worm]

Shane has consistently underestimated Rick and it ultimately proved fatal.

When Rick asked ####### Shane (rhetorically) if Shane was gonna replace him with his wife and kids, or something like that, Shane said "They'll get over it, they did once before." Ooh, another dumb thing from the dumbest of them all. I certainly understand the people who think Shane is a great character for the dramatic tension he has brought to the show but danged if I understand you folks who think the character was in any way laudible. He was the moron's moron.

I think they did a pretty good job this episode of depicting how Shane really had just gone over the edge. He was in a crazed state, more than just his regular moron-itude.

 

[Copeman]

And I could have sworn Carl lost the gun in the mud last episode. I must have missed him being able to find it and pick it back up.

 

[TexanFan02]

And I could have sworn Carl lost the gun in the mud last episode. I must have missed him being able to find it and pick it back up.

Apparently he wanders around by himself a lot.

 

[snogger]

And I could have sworn Carl lost the gun in the mud last episode. I must have missed him being able to find it and pick it back up.

I was thinking the same thing.. I remember him dropping the gun then fumbling around trying to find it and then just up and running away..

 

[SacramentoBob]

And I could have sworn Carl lost the gun in the mud last episode. I must have missed him being able to find it and pick it back up.

I was thinking the same thing.. I remember him dropping the gun then fumbling around trying to find it and then just up and running away..

He must've gone back to get it. Funny that Rick didn't tell Daryl where his gun was.

 

[netnalp]

Maybe this preview or promo thing we keep seeing with Daryl riding his bike through down a small road in the dark with zombies everywhere will show up in the finale. Maybe the walkers surround the house and he grabs his bike (which is away from the house) and lures them away or something.

Possible. As of this moment I'm thinking Glen and Daryl are in the woods with the zombie hoard between them and the rest of the group in the farm house.

 

[badmojo1006]

Oh, and I loved the steam coming off Shane's body as he took the last breath.

Yeah I saw that too, very nice

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

So, with Dale and Shane dead... I guess everyone in the group should pretty much just get along, right?

Rainbows and ponies all the way.

I wonder if Andrea will go ape ####; when her sister died, she leaned on Dale. Then she shagged Shane and they had talked about leaving, about how Shane should lead the group. Then Dale died, now Rick kills Shane.She has no allies anymore, got lectured by Lori, and Maggie hates her for not protecting her suicidal sister. Andrea is the biggest wildcard (outside the zombies, of course).

She and Glen had a nice bonding moment at the RV. But, yeah, that could drive a wedge between Maggie and Glen

If I was Glen I would be pushing the point that I think that wedge can only get solved by the threeway with Maggie and Andrea.

 

[badmojo1006]

So, with Dale and Shane dead... I guess everyone in the group should pretty much just get along, right?

Rainbows and ponies all the way.

I wonder if Andrea will go ape ####; when her sister died, she leaned on Dale. Then she shagged Shane and they had talked about leaving, about how Shane should lead the group. Then Dale died, now Rick kills Shane.She has no allies anymore, got lectured by Lori, and Maggie hates her for not protecting her suicidal sister. Andrea is the biggest wildcard (outside the zombies, of course).

She and Glen had a nice bonding moment at the RV. But, yeah, that could drive a wedge between Maggie and Glen

If I was Glen I would be pushing the point that I think that wedge can only get solved by the threeway with Maggie and Andrea.

Maggie and Andrea oil up and wrestle for Glen's affection?

 

[CBusAlex]

I liked how none of the adults even thought about giving the gun back to Daryl. I mean, it is his gun; the least you could do is give him a heads-up before giving it away.

 

[Copeman]

Maybe this preview or promo thing we keep seeing with Daryl riding his bike through down a small road in the dark with zombies everywhere will show up in the finale. Maybe the walkers surround the house and he grabs his bike (which is away from the house) and lures them away or something.

Possible. As of this moment I'm thinking Glen and Daryl are in the woods with the zombie hoard between them and the rest of the group in the farm house.

Thats what I am thinking too. And his bike is far away from the house by his little camp, way off on the other side. No reason for walkers to be anywhere near it. If that wasn't just a promo ad, I can see something like I stated happening. If I recall, it was dark in the ad.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Shane has consistently underestimated Rick and it ultimately proved fatal.

When Rick asked ####### Shane (rhetorically) if Shane was gonna replace him with his wife and kids, or something like that, Shane said "They'll get over it, they did once before." Ooh, another dumb thing from the dumbest of them all. I certainly understand the people who think Shane is a great character for the dramatic tension he has brought to the show but danged if I understand you folks who think the character was in any way laudible. He was the moron's moron.

I think they did a pretty good job this episode of depicting how Shane really had just gone over the edge. He was in a crazed state, more than just his regular moron-itude.

Yes I agree completely.The de-humanization of Shane began way back but the fight with Rick kind of was the last step. But notice that even after they had the fight - Shane looked to Rick to rescue him when he was stuck in the bus.

 

[Copeman]

I don't think the RV scene with Andrea and Glenn was about them bowchikawowwow'ing.

It was merely symbolism or whatever, regarding Dale and how they were the closest to him, and how Dale was the one who was known for fixing/tinkering with the engine, but now it will be Glenn, etc...

The "human element", and showing emotions and all that crap.

 

[netnalp]

Maybe this preview or promo thing we keep seeing with Daryl riding his bike through down a small road in the dark with zombies everywhere will show up in the finale. Maybe the walkers surround the house and he grabs his bike (which is away from the house) and lures them away or something.

Possible. As of this moment I'm thinking Glen and Daryl are in the woods with the zombie hoard between them and the rest of the group in the farm house.

Thats what I am thinking too. And his bike is far away from the house by his little camp, way off on the other side. No reason for walkers to be anywhere near it. If that wasn't just a promo ad, I can see something like I stated happening. If I recall, it was dark in the ad.

I don't think the bike is far away anymore. He was shown riding it towards the farm house alongside the pickup truck when they were moving people to the farm house.

 

[Copeman]

Maybe this preview or promo thing we keep seeing with Daryl riding his bike through down a small road in the dark with zombies everywhere will show up in the finale. Maybe the walkers surround the house and he grabs his bike (which is away from the house) and lures them away or something.

Possible. As of this moment I'm thinking Glen and Daryl are in the woods with the zombie hoard between them and the rest of the group in the farm house.

Thats what I am thinking too. And his bike is far away from the house by his little camp, way off on the other side. No reason for walkers to be anywhere near it. If that wasn't just a promo ad, I can see something like I stated happening. If I recall, it was dark in the ad.

I don't think the bike is far away anymore. He was shown riding it towards the farm house alongside the pickup truck when they were moving people to the farm house.

Ah, musta missed that.

 

[jplvr]

I liked how none of the adults even thought about giving the gun back to Daryl. I mean, it is his gun; the least you could do is give him a heads-up before giving it away.

I thought he was giving it to Carl to be a man and return it to Daryl himself. He didn't say anything close to that, but it's how my mind filled in the blank. The conversation actually led a different way in that Carl was going to eventually have to use it as he did later in the episode.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

OK I just thought of something.

The first time was meet Daryl do any of you remember what he said to Dale - something mean is all I can recall something like "Old man you are useless".

Now Daryl was the one who had to shoot Dale after Rick didn't want to have to do it.

 

[The Doctor]

I was under the impression that the final scene, as Rick sat on top of dead Shane, he was waiting for him to turn to make sure it was true and then kill him. The little ##### Carl ruined it again by showing up and Rick went from badass Rick to ##### Rick with feelings trying to console his kid and explain what happened. Carl got more stones than Rick at this point, boy growing up to be a stone cold killer.

If Rick knew this then why didn't he tell Shane when they found the zombie security guards with no scratches, seems like a valuable pieces of information; I could understand not telling everyone because some people might see it as a reason to give up - but not Shane.

And I would counter that Rick hasn't trusted Shane for a while so he didn't tell him. We can go back & forth all we want, doesn't really matter now.Question I had from last night, where the hell did all the zombies come from? I get the occasional walker wandering onto the property but if the woods was that full of them no freaking way I'd be staying at the farm. Also how where that many of them just hanging out when there was a fresh meal a few hundred yards away?

i had the feeling they were pretty isolated by a few miles. why would walkers be wandering unless they were lured there. it sounds like the walkers will become trees until provoked so no idea why they would be that far deep into the forest..doesnt make much sense

 

[Mile High]

I was under the impression that the final scene, as Rick sat on top of dead Shane, he was waiting for him to turn to make sure it was true and then kill him. The little ##### Carl ruined it again by showing up and Rick went from badass Rick to ##### Rick with feelings trying to console his kid and explain what happened. Carl got more stones than Rick at this point, boy growing up to be a stone cold killer.

If Rick knew this then why didn't he tell Shane when they found the zombie security guards with no scratches, seems like a valuable pieces of information; I could understand not telling everyone because some people might see it as a reason to give up - but not Shane.

And I would counter that Rick hasn't trusted Shane for a while so he didn't tell him. We can go back & forth all we want, doesn't really matter now.Question I had from last night, where the hell did all the zombies come from? I get the occasional walker wandering onto the property but if the woods was that full of them no freaking way I'd be staying at the farm. Also how where that many of them just hanging out when there was a fresh meal a few hundred yards away?

i had the feeling they were pretty isolated by a few miles. why would walkers be wandering unless they were lured there. it sounds like the walkers will become trees until provoked so no idea why they would be that far deep into the forest..doesnt make much sense

I was wondering where they all came from as well. There looks to be a hundreds of them.

 

[netnalp]

I think the zombie hoard is just zombies from all over that haven't been able to get past the natural barriers till they dried up. Now that the swamp is dry, they were going where the food was, wildlife, the cows and now the farm.

 

[Copeman]

I guess a somewhat logical explanation of the many zombies seemingly out of no-where could be attributed to the zombies being lured by sound. Out of the few weeks the group has been there, there have been multiple instances of loud sounds/fires. Maybe each time the zombies got closer to the farm, then the sound/fire died down and the zombies then kind of stayed put, but got closer each time there was sound. Finally they got close enough and that's where we are now.

 

[Pick]

Oh, and I loved the steam coming off Shane's body as he took the last breath.

That and seeing their breathe throughout that sequence was pretty cool.

 

[stbugs]

One question. We saw them look at those cops (when dropping off Randall at the school) and say they weren't bitten, but how did those cops die? If they turned, shouldn't they have been walkers? Were they shot and just in so good a shape that they wondered how they were turned?

Those were the zombie cops that Rick and Shane knifed in the face through the fence.

Thanks. I forgot about that, I wasn't thinking about how they died during the episode, so I forgot that they may have dragged them over there.

 

[roadkill1292]

So who going to be left standing after the finale?RickLori CarlGlennDarylAndreaT-DogBethMaggieWho is zombie food?CarolPatriciaJimmyHerschel

That's not very many shooters against the oncoming horde.

 

[The Doctor]

Shane has consistently underestimated Rick and it ultimately proved fatal.

When Rick asked ####### Shane (rhetorically) if Shane was gonna replace him with his wife and kids, or something like that, Shane said "They'll get over it, they did once before." Ooh, another dumb thing from the dumbest of them all. I certainly understand the people who think Shane is a great character for the dramatic tension he has brought to the show but danged if I understand you folks who think the character was in any way laudible. He was the moron's moron.

I think they did a pretty good job this episode of depicting how Shane really had just gone over the edge. He was in a crazed state, more than just his regular moron-itude.

maybe the zombie sickness that they're all infected with was starting to turn him into a crazy

 

[Copeman]

Oh, and I loved the steam coming off Shane's body as he took the last breath.

That and seeing their breathe throughout that sequence was pretty cool.

I liked seeing the moon in the background. Everything tied in, just made for an awesome and very memorable scene.

 

[jamny]

The horde of zombies is explained in the comics. I don't believe it to be any kind of spoiler. Some roamers will just be walking and other zombies will think that he knows where he's going and will just follow. They may meet other large groups and join up and just walk aimlessly until something (a gunshot) will give them focus and direction. It doesn't really have to be that their defenses are falling apart. They just attracted a large passing horde with the gunshot.

 

[Copeman]

So who going to be left standing after the finale?RickLori CarlGlennDarylAndreaT-DogBethMaggieWho is zombie food?CarolPatriciaJimmyHerschel

That's not very many shooters against the oncoming horde.

Not sure I follow you. Am I missing someone?

 

[Mile High]

I guess a somewhat logical explanation of the many zombies seemingly out of no-where could be attributed to the zombies being lured by sound. Out of the few weeks the group has been there, there have been multiple instances of loud sounds/fires. Maybe each time the zombies got closer to the farm, then the sound/fire died down and the zombies then kind of stayed put, but got closer each time there was sound. Finally they got close enough and that's where we are now.

I guess. But you would think they would have noticed about a 1000 zombies hanging out at some time.

 

[jamny]

Another cool visual was when Rick was standing next to Carl who was sitting on the barn ledge. The silhouette had a real comic book feel to it.