***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (6 Viewers)

[Sconch]

Someone tell me if I've got this wrong:If a walker attacks you there are 3 things that can happen and 2 of them are bad.1. You survive unscathed somehow.2. The walker bites you but you escape. You're now infected and will become a walker later on.3. The walker(s) take you down and eat you/you die.How did a skinny little 12 year old girl survive a walker attack?

It was a skinny little 11 year old girl. Sophie whooped her ###, but got some zombie blood in her eye during the fight.

So now you're saying two 6th grade girls "survived" a zombie attack. Interesting.

 

[mad sweeney]

Someone tell me if I've got this wrong:If a walker attacks you there are 3 things that can happen and 2 of them are bad.1. You survive unscathed somehow.2. The walker bites you but you escape. You're now infected and will become a walker later on.3. The walker(s) take you down and eat you/you die.How did a skinny little 12 year old girl survive a walker attack?

#2

It just doesn't seem likely. I teach middle school. Most 12 year old girls can't get out of the way of a dodgeball.

She could've wandered near a walker that was trapped or stuck somewhere or crawling around without a lower body. They've shown a number of kid walkers along the way. It happens.

 

[Borat]

Dale should have shot Rick plain and simple, at that point why is Shane worth anything; he is like having a pit bull in the end he is more trouble than he is worth.

Shane just proved to be right the entire time, and he's obviously the best leader for this group since he apparently is the only one willing to put emotions aside and look at things logically. If he hadn't finally just grabbed the bull by the horns, the rest of these meatheads would still be risking life & limb in the woods looking for a girl who was obviously (un)dead.

Well except for wanting to leave a safe, comfortable farm for a military base where as we've seen in every other post-apocalyptic tv/movie it never turns out well.

As opposed to what? Rick having everyone run around in the woods looking for a little girl who was obviously dead? How'd that work out for his son and for the redneck kid?

 

[Sconch]

Someone tell me if I've got this wrong:

If a walker attacks you there are 3 things that can happen and 2 of them are bad.

1. You survive unscathed somehow.

2. The walker bites you but you escape. You're now infected and will become a walker later on.

3. The walker(s) take you down and eat you/you die.

How did a skinny little 12 year old girl survive a walker attack?

#2

It just doesn't seem likely. I teach middle school. Most 12 year old girls can't get out of the way of a dodgeball.

She could've wandered near a walker that was trapped or stuck somewhere or crawling around without a lower body. They've shown a number of kid walkers along the way. It happens.

Actually it doesn't.

 

[roadkill1292]

Shane hasn't crossed Darryl yet. When he does, and he will, even if only by accident (or stupidity -- as far as leadership ability goes, I wouldn't follow the guy out for ice cream), Darryl will make him regret it. And maybe steal all his women in the bargain.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

I should have seen that coming. It was either really predictable or really great.Nobody is safe around Shane and Andrea from here on out.

You knew she was in the barn from the look on Hershcalls face. I hope they use that angle in the next season.

Yeah the last scene was hardcore. Only thing I would have changed would have been Carl coming up to shoot Sophia instead of Rick

What I got from this was that Shane couldn't do it. Neither could anyone else in the group.They had been looking for Sophia because they were forced to and they wanted to since she was part of the group.But in the end, when the zombie slaughter took place, nobody could bring them self to shoot Sophia except the one person who was the leader. RickTo me this was showing that killing any old zombie is easy, killing a zombie that was one of your own isn't. Shane can be the badass but when the difficult decision has to be made, he couldn't do it. Rick could.

 

[packersfan]

I should have seen that coming. It was either really predictable or really great.Nobody is safe around Shane and Andrea from here on out.

You knew she was in the barn from the look on Hershcalls face. I hope they use that angle in the next season.

Yeah the last scene was hardcore. Only thing I would have changed would have been Carl coming up to shoot Sophia instead of Rick

What I got from this was that Shane couldn't do it. Neither could anyone else in the group.They had been looking for Sophia because they were forced to and they wanted to since she was part of the group.But in the end, when the zombie slaughter took place, nobody could bring them self to shoot Sophia except the one person who was the leader. RickTo me this was showing that killing any old zombie is easy, killing a zombie that was one of your own isn't. Shane can be the badass but when the difficult decision has to be made, he couldn't do it. Rick could.

Bingo.

 

[roadkill1292]

I should have seen that coming. It was either really predictable or really great.Nobody is safe around Shane and Andrea from here on out.

You knew she was in the barn from the look on Hershcalls face. I hope they use that angle in the next season.

Yeah the last scene was hardcore. Only thing I would have changed would have been Carl coming up to shoot Sophia instead of Rick

What I got from this was that Shane couldn't do it. Neither could anyone else in the group.They had been looking for Sophia because they were forced to and they wanted to since she was part of the group.But in the end, when the zombie slaughter took place, nobody could bring them self to shoot Sophia except the one person who was the leader. RickTo me this was showing that killing any old zombie is easy, killing a zombie that was one of your own isn't. Shane can be the badass but when the difficult decision has to be made, he couldn't do it. Rick could.

Hadn't Rick told somebody (Shane? Hershel?) a couple of episodes ago that, if they had found Sophia and she was a zeke, that he'd do "what he had to?" I thought he was just keeping his pledge.

 

[Sconch]

When Sophia came out of the barn I was waiting for Daryl to say "FOUND HER!"

 

[packersfan]

Hadn't Rick told somebody (Shane? Hershel?) a couple of episodes ago that, if they had found Sophia and she was a zeke, that he'd do "what he had to?" I thought he was just keeping his pledge.

He was but the point is he did what a leader had to do. Nobody else in the group could bring themselves to do it, including Shane.

 

[mad sweeney]

Someone tell me if I've got this wrong:

If a walker attacks you there are 3 things that can happen and 2 of them are bad.

1. You survive unscathed somehow.

2. The walker bites you but you escape. You're now infected and will become a walker later on.

3. The walker(s) take you down and eat you/you die.

How did a skinny little 12 year old girl survive a walker attack?

#2

It just doesn't seem likely. I teach middle school. Most 12 year old girls can't get out of the way of a dodgeball.

She could've wandered near a walker that was trapped or stuck somewhere or crawling around without a lower body. They've shown a number of kid walkers along the way. It happens.

Actually it doesn't.

Interesting pov considering it did.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Outstanding episode. This season just keeps getting better and better. The show is really hitting its stride. The massacre scene was outstanding (great role reversal and nod to George Romero with the humans becoming the monsters at the end and the monsters being the victims) and the big reveal was great. Makes sense that Sofia was dead and I for one am glad they led us along with her situation given how incredible the payoff proved to be.

It's going to suck waiting until February for new episodes.

Really? They are flesh eating zombies, not sure how much more monstrous you could get other than installing lasers on their heads. Juuuust a bit over the top there chief.

I disagree. That's one of the best parts about Romero's "Dawn of the Dead" - how he flipped the roles and turned the humans into the monsters who were slaughtering the zombies. Kirkman and another of the Exec Producers even talked about this on "The Talking Dead" after the show about how they wanted to bring in some humanity to the zombies during that massacre scene. I think it worked. Did the zombies have to be put down? I think they did. But I also saw the blood lust involved with the group lining up as a firing squad to slaughter them. That moment was all about anger, hatred and rage (led by Shane) more so than it was merely about survival.

 

[Sconch]

Someone tell me if I've got this wrong:

If a walker attacks you there are 3 things that can happen and 2 of them are bad.

1. You survive unscathed somehow.

2. The walker bites you but you escape. You're now infected and will become a walker later on.

3. The walker(s) take you down and eat you/you die.

How did a skinny little 12 year old girl survive a walker attack?

#2

It just doesn't seem likely. I teach middle school. Most 12 year old girls can't get out of the way of a dodgeball.

She could've wandered near a walker that was trapped or stuck somewhere or crawling around without a lower body. They've shown a number of kid walkers along the way. It happens.

Actually it doesn't.

Interesting pov considering it did.

Really? There's been a zombie outbreak somewhere that I don't know about?

 

[modogg]

Spoiler

Would have been a good opportunity to kill off Shane ala comics, but with him still around i wonder if they are turning him into the governer?

Spoiler

I have thought this ever since he killed Otis. After reading Kirkman's book about the pre-story for the Governor it could make more sense too. i figured it can't be Meryl because he doesn't have the charisma to pull it off

 

[gmbacm]

Someone tell me if I've got this wrong:If a walker attacks you there are 3 things that can happen and 2 of them are bad.1. You survive unscathed somehow.2. The walker bites you but you escape. You're now infected and will become a walker later on.3. The walker(s) take you down and eat you/you die.How did a skinny little 12 year old girl survive a walker attack?

It was a skinny little 11 year old girl. Sophie whooped her ###, but got some zombie blood in her eye during the fight.

So now you're saying two 6th grade girls "survived" a zombie attack. Interesting.

no - she skipped a couple of grades. Was a smart kid.

 

[Clayton Gray]

When Sophia came out of the barn I was waiting for Daryl to say "FOUND HER!"

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Shane should have shot Dale in the swamp and left him for dead

I would have tossed Herschel into the barn and told him "Next move... Mexico. Once we beat it out of the country."

 

[trogg78]

I want to see more people get bit and turned into a zombie. Maybe someone tries to hide they got bit. I would have loved to see Sophia's turn. That would make a great flashback. See her turn and Hershel catch her and put her in the barn.

 

[Copeman]

I want to see more people get bit and turned into a zombie. Maybe someone tries to hide they got bit. I would have loved to see Sophia's turn. That would make a great flashback. See her turn and Hershel catch her and put her in the barn.

Otis caught her.

 

[trogg78]

I want to see more people get bit and turned into a zombie. Maybe someone tries to hide they got bit. I would have loved to see Sophia's turn. That would make a great flashback. See her turn and Hershel catch her and put her in the barn.

Otis caught her.

Of course.

 

[Dexter]

I think the time has come for Andrea and Dale to be less annoying, Dale is a complete wet blanket and all Andrea does is whine.[b/]

They should've made this character either hotter or less annoying. The scale is way out of balance right now.

Why would they make her so unattractive? She's not even average, she's real life ugly.

 

[cstu]

I think the time has come for Andrea and Dale to be less annoying, Dale is a complete wet blanket and all Andrea does is whine.[b/]

They should've made this character either hotter or less annoying. The scale is way out of balance right now.

Why would they make her so unattractive? She's not even average, she's real life ugly.

You think she's ugly now...

 

[mad sweeney]

Someone tell me if I've got this wrong:

If a walker attacks you there are 3 things that can happen and 2 of them are bad.

1. You survive unscathed somehow.

2. The walker bites you but you escape. You're now infected and will become a walker later on.

3. The walker(s) take you down and eat you/you die.

How did a skinny little 12 year old girl survive a walker attack?

#2

It just doesn't seem likely. I teach middle school. Most 12 year old girls can't get out of the way of a dodgeball.

She could've wandered near a walker that was trapped or stuck somewhere or crawling around without a lower body. They've shown a number of kid walkers along the way. It happens.

Actually it doesn't.

Interesting pov considering it did.

Really? There's been a zombie outbreak somewhere that I don't know about?

Lame.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

I think you guys have Shane all wrong.

[*]First he risks his life to save someone else's kid by going for medical supplies.

[*]Then he has to murder someone just get the supplies back to the kid (something he didn't take lightly and was clearly shaken up over).

[*]Then he has to put up with this useless, whiney old RV-driving dillhole questioning his integrity and morals. (Haven't seen him put his neck on the line for anyone yet.)

[*]Then he actually finds that same old coot stashing their weapon supply in the friggin' swamp. Are you kidding me!

[*]And somewhere in there the woman he's in love with tells him that she may or may not be carrying his kid... and that he'll never be its' dad either way.

[*]And then finally, he finds the bible thumper and the sheriff walking zombies around on leashes like they're harmless little puppies or something. Stashing 'em in a barn just in case somebody comes up with a way to cure being a corpse.

EVERYONE is insane and Shane seems like the only one with any sense in his head. He's one of the few characters on the show that I can tolerate.

You know, all season long that old bible thumper guy kept saying, "My farm, my rules!" - Well, it was his farm BEFORE the zombie apocalypse. Now it just belongs to whoever wants it enough to take it. If I were Shane, I think that's exactly what I'd do next season.

 

[Sconch]

I think you guys have Shane all wrong.

[*]First he risks his life to save someone else's kid by going for medical supplies.

[*]Then he has to murder someone just get the supplies back to the kid (something he didn't take lightly and was clearly shaken up over).

[*]Then he has to put up with this useless, whiney old RV-driving dillhole questioning his integrity and morals. (Haven't seen him put his neck on the line for anyone yet.)

[*]Then he actually finds that same old coot stashing their weapon supply in the friggin' swamp. Are you kidding me!

[*]And somewhere in there the woman he's in love with tells him that she may or may not be carrying his kid... and that he'll never be its' dad either way.

[*]And then finally, he finds the bible thumper and the sheriff walking zombies around on leashes like they're harmless little puppies or something. Stashing 'em in a barn just in case somebody comes up with a way to cure being a corpse.

EVERYONE is insane and Shane seems like the only one with any sense in his head. He's one of the few characters on the show that I can tolerate.

You know, all season long that old bible thumper guy kept saying, "My farm, my rules!" - Well, it was his farm BEFORE the zombie apocalypse. Now it just belongs to whoever wants it enough to take it. If I were Shane, I think that's exactly what I'd do next season.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I think you guys have Shane all wrong.

[*]First he risks his life to save someone else's kid by going for medical supplies.

[*]Then he has to murder someone just get the supplies back to the kid (something he didn't take lightly and was clearly shaken up over).



[*]Then he has to put up with this useless, whiney old RV-driving dillhole questioning his integrity and morals. (Haven't seen him put his neck on the line for anyone yet.)

[*]Then he actually finds that same old coot stashing their weapon supply in the friggin' swamp. Are you kidding me!

[*]And somewhere in there the woman he's in love with tells him that she may or may not be carrying his kid... and that he'll never be its' dad either way.

[*]And then finally, he finds the bible thumper and the sheriff walking zombies around on leashes like they're harmless little puppies or something. Stashing 'em in a barn just in case somebody comes up with a way to cure being a corpse.

EVERYONE is insane and Shane seems like the only one with any sense in his head. He's one of the few characters on the show that I can tolerate.

You know, all season long that old bible thumper guy kept saying, "My farm, my rules!" - Well, it was his farm BEFORE the zombie apocalypse. Now it just belongs to whoever wants it enough to take it. If I were Shane, I think that's exactly what I'd do next season.

I pretty much hate every single character in this show and I hope they all die at the end, but especially the old RV guy. I hate that guy with the heat of a thousand suns.

 

[cstu]

Below, Kirkman — who is also a writer on the show and pens the Walking Dead comic — talks about the (second) death of Sophia and teases the second half of season 2.ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: So my TV broke about three minutes before the end of the episode. Did I miss anything?-ROBERT KIRKMAN: [Laughs] They all died. A comet came down and everyone melted.All joking aside, I thought the shooting of the zombiefied Sophia did make for a fantastic end to this run of shows.Thank you very much. Yes, we love shooting children here at the Walking Dead.It was a great bait-and-switch. Even in this episode there was an awful lot of talk, both from Carl and Daryl, about the need to keep searching for Sophia. You totally had me fooled.-It’s good to know people didn’t see it coming. That’s a big concern when you have this kind of story line and you are leading to that kind of reveal. You don’t want people to be expecting it, especially in the Walking Dead. I pride myself in the fact that, when you pick up an issue of the comic, you don’t know what’s going to happen at any time. So any time we can work that into the show and maintain that in a television environment, it’s very exciting for me. I’m glad people are being caught off guard.Did Madison Lintz play the zombie Sophia?-Oh yeah, that was her in makeup. That’s the consolation prize to finding out that you’re dying on the show. It’s never fun for an actor to learn that they’re being written out of the show and it’s a hard thing to do. It’s something that we never take lightly. But, you know, you’ve got to kill characters! On this show, you at least get the benefit of getting up and coming back as a zombie. That hopefully makes it a little less uncool.Were you around when they shot that final scene?-I was not. But the writer of that episode, Scott Gimple, was on set and he did bring me back some shell casings from the blanks that were fired into the zombies at the barn. In the writer’s room we refer to that scene as “Barnageddon.”There’s no doubt this season has featured a slower pace than the first. Did the fact that you had this twist in your back pocket give you the confidence to do that?-Possibly. It’s weird. It’s not like we sat down and decided that we were going to move at a slower pace. But I guess you can’t really dispute that. We were kind of talking our time with things. It was always supposed to be this episode that this was revealed. There wasn’t any kind of milk-things-for-all-they’re-worth decision. I think we were just moving at a deliberate but somewhat relaxed pace.Can we assume Hershel knew all along that Sophia was in the barn?-You can certainly assume that.The reason I ask is, rewatching the episode, the scenes between Hershel and Rick seem very portentous in terms of Hershel trying to convince Rick that zombies are just sick people. I assumed he was trying to prepare Rick for seeing the zombie Sophia.-If I were to put on my detective hat I would say that, if Hershel did know that Sophia was in the barn, he might have just said, “Oh yeah, that girl’s sick, we’re keeping her in the barn.” So it’s entirely possible that he didn’t know. We’ll find out very early on in the return episode coming up this February.Nice plug! Going back to the previous episode, when Rick found out that Lori was pregnant it’s interesting he didn’t ask if he was the father whereas Shane immediately insisted that the kid had to be his.-I think Rick is smart enough to know that the kid’s either his or Shane’s and there may not be any way of ever finding out that definitively. And bringing that up to his wife, who he loves, is only going to be painful for her. I think that’s him being a good husband and him showing his tremendous leadership ability in that he can put his self aside for the betterment of someone else.A lot of people, including me, assumed the message Jenner whispered to Rick at the CDC last season was that Lori was pregnant. But Rick seemed to be genuinely surprised by the news, which would suggest that is not the case.-When we reveal exactly what Jenner whispered, we will reveal what Jenner whispered. It’s not going to come in like an “Oh, was that it?”-kind of way. You’ll know that we’re revealing that when we do it.Dale’s plan to hide all the guns? That was a terrible plan.-[Laughs] Nobody’s perfect! And, look, it’s very important in this world to show people making mistakes. Dale had the best of intentions and was trying to make a tough situation go away to a certain extent. But, yeah, not the wisest move. I think it’s interesting to watch people mess up. I hate it when I watch a television show and everybody seems to be making the right decision at all times. That’s just unrealistic.Prior to the shooting of Sofia, it looked like things were heating up a little between Carol and Daryl. Is calling someone a “stupid #####” what passes for “going a-courting” in the Dixon universe?-[Laughs] Yeah, that seems like a term of endearment on his part, right?Almost.-Look, there’s not a lot of people in this world and people are going to start pairing off. Whether their relationship is a very strong friendship or if it’s something romantic remains to be seen. But there definitely seems to be something going on between those two.What can we expect from the the second half of the season?-All kinds of awesome stuff. These people are going to be pitted against each other now. Hershel’s been keeping these walkers a secret and now they find out that Sophia’s been in the barn the whole time. Shane isn’t going to suddenly calm down. That’s something I should probably point out. I mean, he was pretty angry there at the end of this episode. He was probably a little shocked by Sophia coming out of the barn but I wouldn’t expect him to put his gun down and be like, “Okay, well, I’m good now.” So there’s going to be tremendous amounts of conflict that comes from that and there’s going to be a lot of aftermath dealing with the shocking revelation and there’s going to be a lot of crazy new stuff thrown into the mix. I think we’re going to see some new characters very early on, introduced in our first episode back. There’s going to be a lot of cool stuff coming up.Are any of the new characters African-American ladies who are handy with swords?-I couldn’t say.

 

[cstu]

You know, all season long that old bible thumper guy kept saying, "My farm, my rules!" - Well, it was his farm BEFORE the zombie apocalypse. Now it just belongs to whoever wants it enough to take it. If I were Shane, I think that's exactly what I'd do next season.

Rick should have asked to see his deed to the house...and then ripped it up right in front of him.

 

[roadkill1292]

I think you guys have Shane all wrong.

[*]First he risks his life to save someone else's kid by going for medical supplies.

[*]Then he has to murder someone just get the supplies back to the kid (something he didn't take lightly and was clearly shaken up over).

[*]Then he has to put up with this useless, whiney old RV-driving dillhole questioning his integrity and morals. (Haven't seen him put his neck on the line for anyone yet.)

[*]Then he actually finds that same old coot stashing their weapon supply in the friggin' swamp. Are you kidding me!

[*]And somewhere in there the woman he's in love with tells him that she may or may not be carrying his kid... and that he'll never be its' dad either way.

[*]And then finally, he finds the bible thumper and the sheriff walking zombies around on leashes like they're harmless little puppies or something. Stashing 'em in a barn just in case somebody comes up with a way to cure being a corpse.

EVERYONE is insane and Shane seems like the only one with any sense in his head. He's one of the few characters on the show that I can tolerate.

You know, all season long that old bible thumper guy kept saying, "My farm, my rules!" - Well, it was his farm BEFORE the zombie apocalypse. Now it just belongs to whoever wants it enough to take it. If I were Shane, I think that's exactly what I'd do next season.

I'd half expect Shane to do just that because it's the really dumb thing to do and the guy is no Norman Einstein. Using force against some of the few things in life not trying to kill you is just inviting retribution by someone who is now forced to ramp up his preparedness because he doesn't know when Shane will turn his sights on him.

 

[FavreCo]

Really? There's been a zombie outbreak somewhere that I don't know about?

Wal-Mart.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I think you guys have Shane all wrong.

[*]First he risks his life to save someone else's kid by going for medical supplies.

[*]Then he has to murder someone just get the supplies back to the kid (something he didn't take lightly and was clearly shaken up over).

[*]Then he has to put up with this useless, whiney old RV-driving dillhole questioning his integrity and morals. (Haven't seen him put his neck on the line for anyone yet.)

[*]Then he actually finds that same old coot stashing their weapon supply in the friggin' swamp. Are you kidding me!

[*]And somewhere in there the woman he's in love with tells him that she may or may not be carrying his kid... and that he'll never be its' dad either way.

[*]And then finally, he finds the bible thumper and the sheriff walking zombies around on leashes like they're harmless little puppies or something. Stashing 'em in a barn just in case somebody comes up with a way to cure being a corpse.

EVERYONE is insane and Shane seems like the only one with any sense in his head. He's one of the few characters on the show that I can tolerate.

You know, all season long that old bible thumper guy kept saying, "My farm, my rules!" - Well, it was his farm BEFORE the zombie apocalypse. Now it just belongs to whoever wants it enough to take it. If I were Shane, I think that's exactly what I'd do next season.

I'd half expect Shane to do just that because it's the really dumb thing to do and the guy is no Norman Einstein. Using force against some of the few things in life not trying to kill you is just inviting retribution by someone who is now forced to ramp up his preparedness because he doesn't know when Shane will turn his sights on him.

Shane is not a reflective type of individual. He in fact enjoys the whole imposing his will on other people.

 

[cstu]

I think you guys have Shane all wrong.

[*]First he risks his life to save someone else's kid by going for medical supplies.

[*]Then he has to murder someone just get the supplies back to the kid (something he didn't take lightly and was clearly shaken up over).

[*]Then he has to put up with this useless, whiney old RV-driving dillhole questioning his integrity and morals. (Haven't seen him put his neck on the line for anyone yet.)

[*]Then he actually finds that same old coot stashing their weapon supply in the friggin' swamp. Are you kidding me!

[*]And somewhere in there the woman he's in love with tells him that she may or may not be carrying his kid... and that he'll never be its' dad either way.

[*]And then finally, he finds the bible thumper and the sheriff walking zombies around on leashes like they're harmless little puppies or something. Stashing 'em in a barn just in case somebody comes up with a way to cure being a corpse.

EVERYONE is insane and Shane seems like the only one with any sense in his head. He's one of the few characters on the show that I can tolerate.

- He thinks saving Carl will help him hook up with Lori again- He didn't murder Otis, he wounded him and let him get eaten alive. I won't debate the necessity of letting Otis die, but that is some evil ####.

- Dale is a dbag but he's an old man trying to keep the group together and he's sees that Shane is turning into a monster. Everything he said to Shane was true.

- Dale was obviously stupid for doing that, no argument there.

- What does he expect - My Two Dads?

- Of course they need to kill the zombies in the barn, but Shane was acting nuts about it.

 

[packersfan]

I'm not convinced Shane is/was in love with Lori. I think he wanted what Rick had/has. I think it's more about him feeling as if he's superior to Rick and deep down he may not believe Rick deserves to have the family he's been provided.

 

[roadkill1292]

I think you guys have Shane all wrong.

[*]First he risks his life to save someone else's kid by going for medical supplies.

[*]Then he has to murder someone just get the supplies back to the kid (something he didn't take lightly and was clearly shaken up over).

[*]Then he has to put up with this useless, whiney old RV-driving dillhole questioning his integrity and morals. (Haven't seen him put his neck on the line for anyone yet.)

[*]Then he actually finds that same old coot stashing their weapon supply in the friggin' swamp. Are you kidding me!

[*]And somewhere in there the woman he's in love with tells him that she may or may not be carrying his kid... and that he'll never be its' dad either way.

[*]And then finally, he finds the bible thumper and the sheriff walking zombies around on leashes like they're harmless little puppies or something. Stashing 'em in a barn just in case somebody comes up with a way to cure being a corpse.

EVERYONE is insane and Shane seems like the only one with any sense in his head. He's one of the few characters on the show that I can tolerate.

You know, all season long that old bible thumper guy kept saying, "My farm, my rules!" - Well, it was his farm BEFORE the zombie apocalypse. Now it just belongs to whoever wants it enough to take it. If I were Shane, I think that's exactly what I'd do next season.

I'd half expect Shane to do just that because it's the really dumb thing to do and the guy is no Norman Einstein. Using force against some of the few things in life not trying to kill you is just inviting retribution by someone who is now forced to ramp up his preparedness because he doesn't know when Shane will turn his sights on him.

Shane is not a reflective type of individual. He in fact enjoys the whole imposing his will on other people.

That's exactly what makes him so dangerous and such a piss-poor leader. You cannot lead if you alienate everybody and so far only even-crazier Andrea looks like she'd back him up. Shane's too stupid to even know when he'd push somebody too far and wind up getting a taste of his own bullet-in-the-back medicine.

 

[Moonlight]

Shane is the most corruptible person in the group. If he was in charge of things, the others would be in as much danger from him as they would from zombies.

Serious question: Has Shane done anything bad (that we know of) that can't be explained? I mean sure he was nailing Bad Hair Sheriff Wife but he thought her husband was dead. And the thing with Otis, as terrible as we might see it, some might consider justified.

The sex thing was no big deal unless, of course, his heightened sense of survival leads him to future ill deeds because of his base animal desires. And that's the thing about Shane -- he's already decided that all of the old rules and all of the old moralities no longer apply. He'll take what he wants and worry about rationalizing it less and less as time goes on.If he ever achieves the leadership, he will seek no counsel from others, brook no dissent and tolerate no separation attempts. Not only will he lead them to disaster, he'll also be increasingly despised for his tyranny along the way. And he won't care as long as he comes out of it with his own hide and a woman or three.

Before Rick found them after his escape from the hospital Shane appeared to be acting as the leader of the group. We saw him deal with conflict through force.Though force may have been necessary he apears to have a shorter fuse or quicker trigger in using it than Rick.

 

[FavreCo]

How long before they hole up in the nearest mall? It's the correct strategy, ya got everything you need. Then of course, they will have to fend off the roving biker gang who spots the blocked off entries to the mall and screws everything up.

 

[mad sweeney]

I think you guys have Shane all wrong.

[*]First he risks his life to save someone else's kid by going for medical supplies.

[*]Then he has to murder someone just get the supplies back to the kid (something he didn't take lightly and was clearly shaken up over).

[*]Then he has to put up with this useless, whiney old RV-driving dillhole questioning his integrity and morals. (Haven't seen him put his neck on the line for anyone yet.)

[*]Then he actually finds that same old coot stashing their weapon supply in the friggin' swamp. Are you kidding me!

[*]And somewhere in there the woman he's in love with tells him that she may or may not be carrying his kid... and that he'll never be its' dad either way.

[*]And then finally, he finds the bible thumper and the sheriff walking zombies around on leashes like they're harmless little puppies or something. Stashing 'em in a barn just in case somebody comes up with a way to cure being a corpse.

EVERYONE is insane and Shane seems like the only one with any sense in his head. He's one of the few characters on the show that I can tolerate.

- He thinks saving Carl will help him hook up with Lori again- He didn't murder Otis, he wounded him and let him get eaten alive. I won't debate the necessity of letting Otis die, but that is some evil ####.

- Dale is a dbag but he's an old man trying to keep the group together and he's sees that Shane is turning into a monster. Everything he said to Shane was true.

- Dale was obviously stupid for doing that, no argument there.

- What does he expect - My Two Dads?

- Of course they need to kill the zombies in the barn, but Shane was acting nuts about it.

Not only that, but in the time between Rick's coma and Rick coming back, he's clearly insinuated himself as Carl's father figure. It shows through a lot when Carl goes to Shane for stuff rather than Rick. Part of what's sympathetic for Shane (none of which I agree with in the pro-Shane points above) is the fact that what he clearly wanted, even from before zombies, was Rick's wife and family. The only thing keeping him from being Dark Shane was the feeble hope he could get Lori and Carl back. Once that was finally gone, with Lori telling him he won't be the dad and Carl stiffening his back and saying they're staying for Sophia, then everything holding Shane back is gone and he becomes Mad Max. That may be better for individual survival, but not for group survival (witness Otis).

 

[cstu]

Well now that they've found Sophia.

 

[cstu]

How long before they hole up in the nearest mall? It's the correct strategy, ya got everything you need. Then of course, they will have to fend off the roving biker gang who spots the blocked off entries to the mall and screws everything up.

Don't worry, Shane will get around to that idea.

 

[Moonlight]

I think you guys have Shane all wrong.

[*]First he risks his life to save someone else's kid by going for medical supplies.

[*]Then he has to murder someone just get the supplies back to the kid (something he didn't take lightly and was clearly shaken up over).

[*]Then he has to put up with this useless, whiney old RV-driving dillhole questioning his integrity and morals. (Haven't seen him put his neck on the line for anyone yet.)

[*]Then he actually finds that same old coot stashing their weapon supply in the friggin' swamp. Are you kidding me!

[*]And somewhere in there the woman he's in love with tells him that she may or may not be carrying his kid... and that he'll never be its' dad either way.

[*]And then finally, he finds the bible thumper and the sheriff walking zombies around on leashes like they're harmless little puppies or something. Stashing 'em in a barn just in case somebody comes up with a way to cure being a corpse.

EVERYONE is insane and Shane seems like the only one with any sense in his head. He's one of the few characters on the show that I can tolerate.

You know, all season long that old bible thumper guy kept saying, "My farm, my rules!" - Well, it was his farm BEFORE the zombie apocalypse. Now it just belongs to whoever wants it enough to take it. If I were Shane, I think that's exactly what I'd do next season.

I agree somewhat. Shane's way of thinking assists the group survive. Reason and compromise are good for most occasions but violence and self survival are needed at others. How individuals find a mix that they are comfortable with is a part of each person and group's being.The decision to kill the walkers in the barn was the right one to assure the safety of everyone including Herscel's group. But in doing so Shane was going against Rick's leadership and Herschel. However. it will be difficult for Herscel's group and Rick's to co=exist now. Hershel's group are non-violent and found a non-violent way to deal with the problem. They've been fortunate to only be dealing with zombie stragglers as opposed to a mass/herd in which they would be overrun easily.

Genetically I think people have variances in their anti'social and cooperative traits.

 

[roadkill1292]

How long before they hole up in the nearest mall? It's the correct strategy, ya got everything you need. Then of course, they will have to fend off the roving biker gang who spots the blocked off entries to the mall and screws everything up.

Don't worry, Shane will get around to that idea.

Maybe if somebody writes it on one of his body parts so he can be reminded of it every now and then. Anybody that wants to hitch their wagon to that moron deserves to be zombie stew.

 

[Sconch]

You know what else sucks? Every time Mrs. Crewcut sees a Cherokee rose she's going to get all sad and stuff.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I think you guys have Shane all wrong.

[*]First he risks his life to save someone else's kid by going for medical supplies.

[*]Then he has to murder someone just get the supplies back to the kid (something he didn't take lightly and was clearly shaken up over).

[*]Then he has to put up with this useless, whiney old RV-driving dillhole questioning his integrity and morals. (Haven't seen him put his neck on the line for anyone yet.)

[*]Then he actually finds that same old coot stashing their weapon supply in the friggin' swamp. Are you kidding me!

[*]And somewhere in there the woman he's in love with tells him that she may or may not be carrying his kid... and that he'll never be its' dad either way.

[*]And then finally, he finds the bible thumper and the sheriff walking zombies around on leashes like they're harmless little puppies or something. Stashing 'em in a barn just in case somebody comes up with a way to cure being a corpse.

EVERYONE is insane and Shane seems like the only one with any sense in his head. He's one of the few characters on the show that I can tolerate.

You know, all season long that old bible thumper guy kept saying, "My farm, my rules!" - Well, it was his farm BEFORE the zombie apocalypse. Now it just belongs to whoever wants it enough to take it. If I were Shane, I think that's exactly what I'd do next season.

I agree somewhat. Shane's way of thinking assists the group survive. Reason and compromise are good for most occasions but violence and self survival are needed at others. How individuals find a mix that they are comfortable with is a part of each person and group's being.The decision to kill the walkers in the barn was the right one to assure the safety of everyone including Herscel's group. But in doing so Shane was going against Rick's leadership and Herschel. However. it will be difficult for Herscel's group and Rick's to co=exist now. Hershel's group are non-violent and found a non-violent way to deal with the problem. They've been fortunate to only be dealing with zombie stragglers as opposed to a mass/herd in which they would be overrun easily.

Genetically I think people have variances in their anti'social and cooperative traits.

Otis was part of Herschel's group and had no problems shooting zombies at the school when getting the supplies. Herschel just had hope for a cure.

 

[pantherclub]

I am at the point now I wish the show was just about Shane and Darryl off by themselves.

T-bone finally got some screen time last night as well.

From the previews it looks like the zombies infiltrate the farm somehow.

I was somewhat pleasantly surprised how they through out the swamps and how it sortof kept the walkers off the farm.

I still dont get the whole "my farm, my rules" crap. Hershell cannot make them do anything. Its not really his farm anymore.

 

[Shrugs]

I think that Shane could and would have shot zombie Sophia. He didn't immediately because she had been a part of their group and it perhaps wasn't his place to be the one to do it unless others passed the duty off to him. But I have no doubt he would have done the job.

 

[packersfan]

I still dont get the whole "my farm, my rules" crap. Hershell cannot make them do anything. Its not really his farm anymore.

In Rick's eyes it is and Rick remains the leader of the group. So it makes perfect sense from that perspective, especially when you consider how strongly Rick clings to the values of the pre-zombie apocalypse world. Now whether seeing Sophia come waltzing out of the board leads Rick to question Herschel going forward remains to be seen. Kirkman said on "The Talking Dead" that since Otis handled bringing in the walkers Herschel may not have known Sophia was in the barn. Whether Rick or anyone in the group believes that (assuming it's true) remains to be seen.

 

[packersfan]

I think that Shane could and would have shot zombie Sophia. He didn't immediately because she had been a part of their group and it perhaps wasn't his place to be the one to do it unless others passed the duty off to him. But I have no doubt he would have done the job.

He looked frozen in place to me. I don't think he could do it.

 

[Shrugs]

I think that Shane could and would have shot zombie Sophia. He didn't immediately because she had been a part of their group and it perhaps wasn't his place to be the one to do it unless others passed the duty off to him. But I have no doubt he would have done the job.

He looked frozen in place to me. I don't think he could do it.

People get caught up in a moment all the time but snap out of it and do what has to be done.

 

[packersfan]

I think that Shane could and would have shot zombie Sophia. He didn't immediately because she had been a part of their group and it perhaps wasn't his place to be the one to do it unless others passed the duty off to him. But I have no doubt he would have done the job.

He looked frozen in place to me. I don't think he could do it.

People get caught up in a moment all the time but snap out of it and do what has to be done.

I agree. And that's what Rick did.

 

[mad sweeney]

I think that Shane could and would have shot zombie Sophia. He didn't immediately because she had been a part of their group and it perhaps wasn't his place to be the one to do it unless others passed the duty off to him. But I have no doubt he would have done the job.

He looked frozen in place to me. I don't think he could do it.

People get caught up in a moment all the time but snap out of it and do what has to be done.

The point is that he didn't. It was all fine to be gung ho super trooper when they were nameless, faceless zombies. Once it was someone he knew, he froze. But Rick didn't.