***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (3 Viewers)

[SmoovySmoov]

is it just me or was that cow still alive after being half eaten? zombie cow ?

Appeared so.

One of the writers or directors said on the first episode of Talking Dead that there will be no zombie animals.

Or 2- he seems to have a bit of a sadistic side to him as he was stabbing that woman zombie at the DPW , and when he was shackled in the barn he was telling carl he would take him and his parents back to HIS people and take care of them...i dont trust him

This, dude has alterior motives similar to Ben Linus allowing himself to be captured on LOST and playing stupid while he was beat to a bloody pulp.Shoulda hung him, remember sound attracts these things? Why fire off the .44 mag if you don't need to?

If Randall = Ben, does Daryl = Sayid?now that I think of it:Rick = JackLori = KateShane = SawyerOr maybe I just wish Lost was still on...

Lori = Boone's stupid sister

 

[SacramentoBob]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

 

[mr roboto]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

One was still living. Kind of.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

He also showed no hesitation to take out the threat in the bar, but hesitates now to kill this new threat, even though Dale and Flip Flopper are the only two who objected.

 

[Usual21]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

I think that it was harder for Rick because Sophia was turned already. She was gone. Dale was looking at him in the eyes. Much different IMO.

 

[Usual21]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

He also showed no hesitation to take out the threat in the bar, but hesitates now to kill this new threat, even though Dale and Flip Flopper are the only two who objected.

The bar was either kill or be killed. He knew that the bar patrons were up to no good, and as soon as the skinny guy positioned himself so that Rick would be between him and Fat Tony, Rick knew it was about to go down. If he didn't kill them, Rick, Hershel, and Glenn would be all dead.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

He also showed no hesitation to take out the threat in the bar, but hesitates now to kill this new threat, even though Dale and Flip Flopper are the only two who objected.

The bar was either kill or be killed. He knew that the bar patrons were up to no good, and as soon as the skinny guy positioned himself so that Rick would be between him and Fat Tony, Rick knew it was about to go down. If he didn't kill them, Rick, Hershel, and Glenn would be all dead.

But now the whole camp is in danger because he couldn't neutralize the threat.

 

[peaces]

Whatever happens happens.

 

[snogger]

horrible.

Spoiler

so Dale is walking in the middle of a wide open field which is completely dead silent except for the cow groaning and then a walker just happens to be standing there? sorry, that's just dumb.

Spoiler

It still amazes me how cavalier everyone is about the walkers. Sleeping outside, wandering around alone, hooking up in drugstore, not noticing your kid (the kid that almost died already) is off somewhere etc etc.I guess they have to have moments like that to provide plot points but it's pretty silly.

Spoiler

The fact that Carl can just wander off by himself is ridiculus for the group to allow after what happened to Sophia, but so unrealistic for his mother to allow after Carl almost died when he was shot. Even if they felt safe at the farm, they should have at least some sort of buddy system, where no one goes anywhere alone or unarmed.

No one should be going anywhere alone. That's just stupid.As mentioned above they have become VERY complacent on the Farm. Other than Walkers in the Barn there haven't been any near. They felt secluded and safe therefore the 24 hour watch has subsided and so has the fact they've let others wander around without worrying about them.after last night that will change..

 

[The Doctor]

is it just me or was that cow still alive after being half eaten? zombie cow ?

Appeared so.

One of the writers or directors said on the first episode of Talking Dead that there will be no zombie animals.

Or 2- he seems to have a bit of a sadistic side to him as he was stabbing that woman zombie at the DPW , and when he was shackled in the barn he was telling carl he would take him and his parents back to HIS people and take care of them...i dont trust him

This, dude has alterior motives similar to Ben Linus allowing himself to be captured on LOST and playing stupid while he was beat to a bloody pulp.Shoulda hung him, remember sound attracts these things? Why fire off the .44 mag if you don't need to?

If Randall = Ben, does Daryl = Sayid?now that I think of it:Rick = JackLori = KateShane = SawyerOr maybe I just wish Lost was still on...

lori is nowhere neeeeear kate

 

[The Doctor]

I wish carl would die. God that kid is annoying

Yep. Him and Lori. Rick would actually be better off without them.

I'm sure a bunch of people are happy now.

Why?

Because everyone seems to hate Dale.

everyone hates a whiny #####

he looked to be on his monthly bleeding last night,. very whiney- glad hes gone

horrible.

Spoiler

so Dale is walking in the middle of a wide open field which is completely dead silent except for the cow groaning and then a walker just happens to be standing there? sorry, that's just dumb.

Spoiler

It still amazes me how cavalier everyone is about the walkers. Sleeping outside, wandering around alone, hooking up in drugstore, not noticing your kid (the kid that almost died already) is off somewhere etc etc.I guess they have to have moments like that to provide plot points but it's pretty silly.

Spoiler

The fact that Carl can just wander off by himself is ridiculus for the group to allow after what happened to Sophia, but so unrealistic for his mother to allow after Carl almost died when he was shot. Even if they felt safe at the farm, they should have at least some sort of buddy system, where no one goes anywhere alone or unarmed.

That was the biggest part of my problems with last night's episode. Carl just all around needs to be smacked. And his mother, too. Instead of trying to turn it into a soap opera, she should be parenting.rick needs to man up and stop being a pu***smack that kid - shoot the prisoner and grow a pair.

shane handles the kid so much better he deserves to be the dad and in charge

 

[footballnerd]

as much as I dislike Carl's character, I thought he had his best episode. We actually see some kind of character development into this dark rebel like kid, much better than the useless victim prior. if he's going to add drama through being a liability, he might as well be evil and cunning.

Lori continues to annoy me with her "my husband needs to be here" whine and needs to run into a zombie

 

[Marvin]

Also, I noticed in the "debate" scene that there was some black guy standing around with the others. Who is that guy, where did he come from, and why doesn't he say anything? Is he mute?

That's Dog-Bone or T-Bill or something.

 

[roadkill1292]

Also, I noticed in the "debate" scene that there was some black guy standing around with the others. Who is that guy, where did he come from, and why doesn't he say anything? Is he mute?

That's Dog-Bone or T-Bill or something.

Is there any possibility that he might shoot Shane?

 

[footballnerd]

As mentioned above they have become VERY complacent on the Farm. Other than Walkers in the Barn there haven't been any near. They felt secluded and safe therefore the 24 hour watch has subsided and so has the fact they've let others wander around without worrying about them.after last night that will change..

farm is about to be stormed by walkers. they've been spending all their time worrying about preventing the prisoner from disclosing their safe haven, but that wont matter anymore.lose dale, add the kid. numbers stay the same on the run, but dynamics change

 

[Marvin]

Also, I noticed in the "debate" scene that there was some black guy standing around with the others. Who is that guy, where did he come from, and why doesn't he say anything? Is he mute?

That's Dog-Bone or T-Bill or something.

Is there any possibility that he might shoot Shane?

If he does I bet the director tells him to hold the gun sideways.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Last scene would have been much more powerful if it had been Shane that walked up and put Dale out of his misery.

Totally agree.

 

[netnalp]

and when he was shackled in the barn he was telling carl he would take him and his parents back to HIS people and take care of them

I don't trust him either, but I think you're reading a bit too much into the HIS people comment. They left him for dead with not much debate.

I'd be more forgiving of the people that left me for dead than the group that just tortured me and is debating killing me. The larger group will welcome him back into the fold if he escapes. They could even be mad that that guy left someone behind if he admitted to it. The guy will probably escape and the larger group will force this smaller one off the farm. No use trying to band together since the farm won't sustain such a large group.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

Share the burden so to speak.I think Rick needed Daryl (or someone else) to do it.

 

[packersfan]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

Share the burden so to speak.I think Rick needed Daryl (or someone else) to do it.

Agreed. Rick's belief system is being put to the test. It's one thing to kill marauders who are trying to kill you as was the case in the bar. It's another to kill someone you know who hasn't (yet) turned. I thought it was interesting that Daryl was the one who took the gun from Rick and not Shane.

 

[Worm]

As mentioned above they have become VERY complacent on the Farm. Other than Walkers in the Barn there haven't been any near. They felt secluded and safe therefore the 24 hour watch has subsided and so has the fact they've let others wander around without worrying about them.after last night that will change..

farm is about to be stormed by walkers. they've been spending all their time worrying about preventing the prisoner from disclosing their safe haven, but that wont matter anymore.lose dale, add the kid. numbers stay the same on the run, but dynamics change

It really is about time for a good old fashioned zombie horde attack.

 

[Marvin]

Last scene would have been much more powerful if it had been Shane that walked up and put Dale out of his misery.

Totally agree.

I think somebody should have picked Carl up by the ankles and beat Dale to death with him.

 

[netnalp]

It's definitely time for this bunch to get themselves organized. Defensively, logistically, govenmentally.They're down to a dozen adults, not enough of a community to survive, let alone turn things around even a little bit. They should be thinking about ways to attract or join with other groups of survivors. Will it be risky? Sure, some people will always be looking to exploit the situation but there will be plenty of others who will see the inherent of sense of banding together and cooperating.

Larger groups put a bigger drain on resources. They were already talking about having to ration food. With a larger group there is more safety and could in theory clear more zombies. The problem is, rather than working as one solid unit, you'll just have a larger fractured unit, where smaller groups try to use the threat of leaving as leverage. Or like it sounds to be the case with the larger group, the people in charge are immoral marauder types and the others follow because they don't know of a better option.

 

[The Doctor]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

Share the burden so to speak.I think Rick needed Daryl (or someone else) to do it.

Agreed. Rick's belief system is being put to the test. It's one thing to kill marauders who are trying to kill you as was the case in the bar. It's another to kill someone you know who hasn't (yet) turned. I thought it was interesting that Daryl was the one who took the gun from Rick and not Shane.

i was expecting Shane to do it

Also, I noticed in the "debate" scene that there was some black guy standing around with the others. Who is that guy, where did he come from, and why doesn't he say anything? Is he mute?

That's Dog-Bone or T-Bill or something.

Is there any possibility that he might shoot Shane?

If he does I bet the director tells him to hold the gun sideways.

with a bandana hanging down over the gun too?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

Share the burden so to speak.I think Rick needed Daryl (or someone else) to do it.

Agreed. Rick's belief system is being put to the test. It's one thing to kill marauders who are trying to kill you as was the case in the bar. It's another to kill someone you know who hasn't (yet) turned. I thought it was interesting that Daryl was the one who took the gun from Rick and not Shane.

I think if Shane had done it then there would always be a questions about it.

 

[packersfan]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

Share the burden so to speak.I think Rick needed Daryl (or someone else) to do it.

Agreed. Rick's belief system is being put to the test. It's one thing to kill marauders who are trying to kill you as was the case in the bar. It's another to kill someone you know who hasn't (yet) turned. I thought it was interesting that Daryl was the one who took the gun from Rick and not Shane.

i was expecting Shane to do it

I was too. Shane, though, admitted that ultimately he thought Dale was harmless so in that moment maybe he felt that even though he didn't like the guy he couldn't bring himself to kill him. I wonder if Daryl took the gun as a way to prove himself to Rick. There's been the undercurrent all season long that Daryl doesn't feel he's good enough for Rick and the group. He even said to Dale that Rick will listen to Shane ahead of him. There seems to be a big part of Daryl that wants acceptance and I think on some level he wants it from Rick. Maybe this was his attempt to get that in some fashion.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Tangent: While I'm sure that will end up being Daryl's bike that Carl took the gun out of, but we never saw the location definitely. What if he stumbled upon where Merle is? Just asking, because the SS symbol on the bike made me think of Merle before Daryl.

 

[Froglova]

On the Talking Dead the director for this episode said for the shortest of moments, you see Daryl potentially getting ready to gut the kid just before you hear Dale scream. I didn't notice it, but I'll have to re-watch it to see. The question about how a zombie could tear through flesh was brought up. The director said the zombie had sharp boney fingers. He was pretty well decomposed. But those at the bus with Shane looked fresher.

Daryl is really the strongest member of the group. Shane is a little too quick to react. Rick is a little too slow at times. Daryl has just about the right timing.

Not a spoiler, but Carl didn't have much to do early on in the comics. Really came on later. He is an important character to the series. And last night was the start of that. You are seeing a kid who didn't grow up in the world we all know. He's growing up in a much harsher place and it's starting to show.

 

[netnalp]

Not really buying the super strength walkers thing. These things can barely move, but they can pin a man down and rip his intestines out with their bare hands? But they can't open bus doors or break windows?

No super strength. In "The Talking Dead" last night the director of the episode explained that the zombie was able to rip open the stomach because zombie fingers are withered to the bone, making them more like claws than fingers. Also the zombies can tear into some things because they can't feel pain that would prevent them from doing some of the things they do.

 

[packersfan]

Tangent: While I'm sure that will end up being Daryl's bike that Carl took the gun out of, but we never saw the location definitely. What if he stumbled upon where Merle is? Just asking, because the SS symbol on the bike made me think of Merle before Daryl.

It wouldn't be a surprise if Merle was part of the group Randall came from and possibly one of the leaders. The rape/pillage approach sounds right up his alley.

 

[netnalp]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

Share the burden so to speak.I think Rick needed Daryl (or someone else) to do it.

Agreed. Rick's belief system is being put to the test. It's one thing to kill marauders who are trying to kill you as was the case in the bar. It's another to kill someone you know who hasn't (yet) turned. I thought it was interesting that Daryl was the one who took the gun from Rick and not Shane.

I think if Shane had done it then there would always be a questions about it.

I think Daryl did it because it was a mercy thing and he realized that he wants to be a part of the group and that sitting on the sidelines, not providing input and not participating isn't an option. I think Daryl will begin to take a more active role now and he has the physical abilities and "balls" to stand up to Shane that Dale did not. Shane will stand up to Rick but he'll be less inclined to stand up to a unified Rick & Daryl.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

Share the burden so to speak.I think Rick needed Daryl (or someone else) to do it.

Agreed. Rick's belief system is being put to the test. It's one thing to kill marauders who are trying to kill you as was the case in the bar. It's another to kill someone you know who hasn't (yet) turned. I thought it was interesting that Daryl was the one who took the gun from Rick and not Shane.

i was expecting Shane to do it

I was too. Shane, though, admitted that ultimately he thought Dale was harmless so in that moment maybe he felt that even though he didn't like the guy he couldn't bring himself to kill him. I wonder if Daryl took the gun as a way to prove himself to Rick. There's been the undercurrent all season long that Daryl doesn't feel he's good enough for Rick and the group. He even said to Dale that Rick will listen to Shane ahead of him. There seems to be a big part of Daryl that wants acceptance and I think on some level he wants it from Rick. Maybe this was his attempt to get that in some fashion.

Daryl has always seen himself (even before the Apocalypse) as an fiercely independent person who is self reliant and does not need or really WANT to be part of a group - or a group leader.

The weird thing is that I used to hate Daryl, but now I think Daryl might be my favorite character.

 

[SacramentoBob]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

Share the burden so to speak.I think Rick needed Daryl (or someone else) to do it.

Agreed. Rick's belief system is being put to the test. It's one thing to kill marauders who are trying to kill you as was the case in the bar. It's another to kill someone you know who hasn't (yet) turned. I thought it was interesting that Daryl was the one who took the gun from Rick and not Shane.

i was expecting Shane to do it

I was too. Shane, though, admitted that ultimately he thought Dale was harmless so in that moment maybe he felt that even though he didn't like the guy he couldn't bring himself to kill him. I wonder if Daryl took the gun as a way to prove himself to Rick. There's been the undercurrent all season long that Daryl doesn't feel he's good enough for Rick and the group. He even said to Dale that Rick will listen to Shane ahead of him. There seems to be a big part of Daryl that wants acceptance and I think on some level he wants it from Rick. Maybe this was his attempt to get that in some fashion.

Daryl has always seen himself (even before the Apocalypse) as an fiercely independent person who is self reliant and does not need or really WANT to be part of a group - or a group leader.

The weird thing is that I used to hate Daryl, but now I think Daryl might be my favorite character.

He has an inferiority complex that he hides by being a loner. He wants to be accepted and be thought of as more than a dumb hick.

 

[packersfan]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

Share the burden so to speak.I think Rick needed Daryl (or someone else) to do it.

Agreed. Rick's belief system is being put to the test. It's one thing to kill marauders who are trying to kill you as was the case in the bar. It's another to kill someone you know who hasn't (yet) turned. I thought it was interesting that Daryl was the one who took the gun from Rick and not Shane.

i was expecting Shane to do it

I was too. Shane, though, admitted that ultimately he thought Dale was harmless so in that moment maybe he felt that even though he didn't like the guy he couldn't bring himself to kill him. I wonder if Daryl took the gun as a way to prove himself to Rick. There's been the undercurrent all season long that Daryl doesn't feel he's good enough for Rick and the group. He even said to Dale that Rick will listen to Shane ahead of him. There seems to be a big part of Daryl that wants acceptance and I think on some level he wants it from Rick. Maybe this was his attempt to get that in some fashion.

Daryl has always seen himself (even before the Apocalypse) as an fiercely independent person who is self reliant and does not need or really WANT to be part of a group - or a group leader.

The weird thing is that I used to hate Daryl, but now I think Daryl might be my favorite character.

He has an inferiority complex that he hides by being a loner. He wants to be accepted and be thought of as more than a dumb hick.

Yup. Daryl definitely wants to be accepted and be part of the group and I think the main person he wants acceptance from is Rick. I think that's a big part of why he went with Rick and Shane to execute Randall and why he was the one who took the gun from Rick and put Dale out of his misery.

 

[netnalp]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

Share the burden so to speak.I think Rick needed Daryl (or someone else) to do it.

Agreed. Rick's belief system is being put to the test. It's one thing to kill marauders who are trying to kill you as was the case in the bar. It's another to kill someone you know who hasn't (yet) turned. I thought it was interesting that Daryl was the one who took the gun from Rick and not Shane.

i was expecting Shane to do it

I was too. Shane, though, admitted that ultimately he thought Dale was harmless so in that moment maybe he felt that even though he didn't like the guy he couldn't bring himself to kill him. I wonder if Daryl took the gun as a way to prove himself to Rick. There's been the undercurrent all season long that Daryl doesn't feel he's good enough for Rick and the group. He even said to Dale that Rick will listen to Shane ahead of him. There seems to be a big part of Daryl that wants acceptance and I think on some level he wants it from Rick. Maybe this was his attempt to get that in some fashion.

Could be Shane's attitude is an effort to hide that he's scared out of his mind so he acts like an alpha male to compensate. If he was truly confident, I don't think he'd be so disruptive and unpredictable.

 

[roadkill1292]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

Share the burden so to speak.I think Rick needed Daryl (or someone else) to do it.

Agreed. Rick's belief system is being put to the test. It's one thing to kill marauders who are trying to kill you as was the case in the bar. It's another to kill someone you know who hasn't (yet) turned. I thought it was interesting that Daryl was the one who took the gun from Rick and not Shane.

I think if Shane had done it then there would always be a questions about it.

I think Daryl did it because it was a mercy thing and he realized that he wants to be a part of the group and that sitting on the sidelines, not providing input and not participating isn't an option. I think Daryl will begin to take a more active role now and he has the physical abilities and "balls" to stand up to Shane that Dale did not. Shane will stand up to Rick but he'll be less inclined to stand up to a unified Rick & Daryl.

I wonder what Daryl will do if/when Shane murders Rick?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

Share the burden so to speak.I think Rick needed Daryl (or someone else) to do it.

Agreed. Rick's belief system is being put to the test. It's one thing to kill marauders who are trying to kill you as was the case in the bar. It's another to kill someone you know who hasn't (yet) turned. I thought it was interesting that Daryl was the one who took the gun from Rick and not Shane.

i was expecting Shane to do it

I was too. Shane, though, admitted that ultimately he thought Dale was harmless so in that moment maybe he felt that even though he didn't like the guy he couldn't bring himself to kill him. I wonder if Daryl took the gun as a way to prove himself to Rick. There's been the undercurrent all season long that Daryl doesn't feel he's good enough for Rick and the group. He even said to Dale that Rick will listen to Shane ahead of him. There seems to be a big part of Daryl that wants acceptance and I think on some level he wants it from Rick. Maybe this was his attempt to get that in some fashion.

Daryl has always seen himself (even before the Apocalypse) as an fiercely independent person who is self reliant and does not need or really WANT to be part of a group - or a group leader.

The weird thing is that I used to hate Daryl, but now I think Daryl might be my favorite character.

He has an inferiority complex that he hides by being a loner. He wants to be accepted and be thought of as more than a dumb hick.

Yup. Daryl definitely wants to be accepted and be part of the group and I think the main person he wants acceptance from is Rick. I think that's a big part of why he went with Rick and Shane to execute Randall and why he was the one who took the gun from Rick and put Dale out of his misery.

We disagree but that is the fun in having these discussions.

 

[packersfan]

Could be Shane's attitude is an effort to hide that he's scared out of his mind so he acts like an alpha male to compensate. If he was truly confident, I don't think he'd be so disruptive and unpredictable.

Yeah, I think that's a big part of what's going on with Shane.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

Share the burden so to speak.I think Rick needed Daryl (or someone else) to do it.

Agreed. Rick's belief system is being put to the test. It's one thing to kill marauders who are trying to kill you as was the case in the bar. It's another to kill someone you know who hasn't (yet) turned. I thought it was interesting that Daryl was the one who took the gun from Rick and not Shane.

I think if Shane had done it then there would always be a questions about it.

I think Daryl did it because it was a mercy thing and he realized that he wants to be a part of the group and that sitting on the sidelines, not providing input and not participating isn't an option. I think Daryl will begin to take a more active role now and he has the physical abilities and "balls" to stand up to Shane that Dale did not. Shane will stand up to Rick but he'll be less inclined to stand up to a unified Rick & Daryl.

I wonder what Daryl will do if/when Shane murders Rick?

Wow that would be a great story arc.Daryl would have to kill him, but if he did he would become leader of the group - he couldn't leave Glenn in charge.

 

[netnalp]

So Rick was the guy who was able to do what no one else would do (shoot zombie Sophia), but Daryl had to take the gun from Rick to shoot Dale?

Share the burden so to speak.I think Rick needed Daryl (or someone else) to do it.

Agreed. Rick's belief system is being put to the test. It's one thing to kill marauders who are trying to kill you as was the case in the bar. It's another to kill someone you know who hasn't (yet) turned. I thought it was interesting that Daryl was the one who took the gun from Rick and not Shane.

i was expecting Shane to do it

I was too. Shane, though, admitted that ultimately he thought Dale was harmless so in that moment maybe he felt that even though he didn't like the guy he couldn't bring himself to kill him. I wonder if Daryl took the gun as a way to prove himself to Rick. There's been the undercurrent all season long that Daryl doesn't feel he's good enough for Rick and the group. He even said to Dale that Rick will listen to Shane ahead of him. There seems to be a big part of Daryl that wants acceptance and I think on some level he wants it from Rick. Maybe this was his attempt to get that in some fashion.

Daryl has always seen himself (even before the Apocalypse) as an fiercely independent person who is self reliant and does not need or really WANT to be part of a group - or a group leader.

The weird thing is that I used to hate Daryl, but now I think Daryl might be my favorite character.

I think Daryl was a loner, but he's grown to care about these people. Sophia's death made him move push people away because he'd open himself up to caring and got his heart stomped on. I think he's made the turn and will become an active member and solidify the Rick's leadership by backing him up. Once the group starts acting like a team, I'm guessing Merle comes back and Daryl will be forced to choose between his brother that he may not have agreed with or the people he's come to care about.

 

[roadkill1292]

Also, what happens if, despite his most persistent foil and critic now gone, Shane finds himself still unable to convince more of the group to gravitate towards his leadership? Murdering Rick is now most likely to earn him a retaliatory bullet in the noggin and even his only ally is re-thinking her alliance with him.

Shane is not really as dangerous as someone who is much more conniving than his simple brain will ever allow him to be but he's almost sure to take one or two more of the group down with him on his inevitable fall. He's too scared and too dumb not to pull out the Glock when he thinks he's out of options and he runs out of options faster than most because of limited brain agility.

 

[mr roboto]

Really, Shane is the perfect 2nd man to Rick. They could lead this group well together, if it wasn't for Lori/Carl jealousy angle.

 

[modogg]

so, for those that read the comic, there is one thing i am glad we will spared of with the results of the recent episode. Not much of a spoiler since it won't be happening now, but in the comics, they had Andrea and Dale get together, quite a bit. I was not looking forward to any kind of sexual relations between these 2 on the show, and am glad they won't be going that route.

 

[The Doctor]

hmm if Merle was the leader of the others.. that would be quite interesting

i think he can take shane even with 1 hand missing

 

[slayer666]

Last scene would have been much more powerful if it had been Shane that walked up and put Dale out of his misery.

and let the blast sound a whole helluva lot louder.

 

[netnalp]

Really, Shane is the perfect 2nd man to Rick. They could lead this group well together, if it wasn't for Lori/Carl jealousy angle.

I think Daryl takes the 2nd man role since Shane can't get past his jealousy.

 

[jamny]

I hate not seeing the show yet and having to see this thread keep getting bumped.

must.not.read.

 

[footballnerd]

Also, I noticed in the "debate" scene that there was some black guy standing around with the others. Who is that guy, where did he come from, and why doesn't he say anything? Is he mute?

That's Dog-Bone or T-Bill or something.

Is there any possibility that he might shoot Shane?

If he does I bet the director tells him to hold the gun sideways.

and yell "break yo self?"

 

[the moops]

Has anyone mentioned how stupid the whole Hershel giving the watch to Glen was?

 

[Marvin]

Has anyone mentioned how stupid the whole Hershel giving the watch to Glen was?

I was waiting for Hershel to start talking about how he had to keep the watch up his tailpipe so the NVA didn't get it.