What evidence do you have of her being a good person? She took care of Andrea (while she still had zombie pets) and was nice to Carl for 5 minutes of an episode. She used Rick's group to get her back into Woodbury and then left them all alone (and screw the plan that other people's lives depended on) to go find the Governor for her own revenge. She was scowling when she was first onscreen and has been scowling since, no matter where she is or with who she's with. She scowls and looks mad so much that any time she doesn't, it's obvious that they're using her as some sort of device, like with Carl or with Merle in the car. Scowling when someone should be, ike when she didn't trust the Guv, isn't the problem. She scowls persistently and 99% of the time, imperviously to the scenario around her.She bided her time at Woodbury as well. Sure, she scowled a lot and was more T-dog than main character for a while, but she felt out the governor before doing anything. She was checking out the blood on the truck after the national guard run-in and figured out the governor way before dumb ### Andrea. Could you elaborate on her all over the map? Seems like someone who doesn't open up, but is a good person and will open up (Andrea and now Rick's crew) once she "trusts" them. We saw a note on this when she told Andrea her walkers in tow deserved what they got. Seems like she started as a guarded person because of that and I am not sure I have seen anything that shows that she hasn't been consistent. She didn't trust the governor, hence the constant scowl.Sure, that's how they want to portray here this time. They've been all over the map with her from the start and tonight was no exception. I suppose she was just biding her time when the zombies were closing in around her, but she chose to sit and wait for Merle to redeem himself and save her because then she knows he'd let her go after they got away. There's no direction to her character, no development, no consistency, no depth, no personality... nothing but a scowl.Completely disagree with you and agree with Christo. Michonne knows Merle and that fighting him at every step is futile. I haven't read the comics, but I think when they introduced her, her backstory (probably from the comics) was that she was a smart person. She had to bide her time and wait for an opportunity. She took the opportunity when he let her by telling her about himself. Based on the Talking Dead show with the actor playing Merle, it sounded like Merle was never planning to give her to the governor and maybe she knew that as well. Pretty sure both Merle and Michonne know that if Merle hands her over, they both end up dead. Merle told Rick the governor was not to be trusted and would kill them all, so I do think he took this opportunity to take Michonne and have her help him kill the governor. Maybe his whole intent was to keep his brother safe because he knew the governor wouldn't leave the prison alone.They don't have a clue about what to do with Michonne or how to do it. They never did. And it started with casting.I thought it was odd that she is just merrily going back to the Guv's with Merle instead of fighting him at every step.
Now it makes sense with what they just did, but complying like that is not true to her character.
Oh, her hands were tied. Probably best to not try and get them free (how well can a one handed guy tie knots anyways?) and just wait for Merle to let her go free.She was in a bad position with her hands tied. Her odds of getting away by fighting Merle and she decided to Jedi mind trick him before attempting to attack him.Sure, that's how they want to portray here this time. They've been all over the map with her from the start and tonight was no exception. I suppose she was just biding her time when the zombies were closing in around her, but she chose to sit and wait for Merle to redeem himself and save her because then she knows he'd let her go after they got away. There's no direction to her character, no development, no consistency, no depth, no personality... nothing but a scowl.
 Merle jamming to Motorhead before his mission seemed very fitting![]()

and also Nugent during the mayhem.Merle jamming to Motorhead before his mission seemed very fitting![]()
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My biggest problem with this episode is that Rick would even contemplate giving Michonne to the Governor.
That whole interlude seemed really out of character.Daryl: He's Korean.Merle: Whatever.Chinese kid?

The producers/writers used Rick to set up the sequence where Merle goes rogue, and then achieves redemption. Using Rick as the catalyst in this manner was WAY forced.My biggest problem with this episode is that Rick would even contemplate giving Michonne to the Governor.That whole interlude seemed really out of character.
That's exactly what I was thinking. If talking him out of it wasn't going to work, I fully expected a double fisted roundhouse while they were driving.Of course it was. She's not a hot head like Merle. She was waiting for her opportunity to take him out.I thought it was odd that she is just merrily going back to the Guv's with Merle instead of fighting him at every step. Now it makes sense with what they just did, but complying like that is not true to her character.
Absolutely. I was half expecting her to grab the wheel and send them careening into a ditch/tree.That's exactly what I was thinking. If talking him out of it wasn't going to work, I fully expected a double fisted roundhouse while they were driving.Of course it was. She's not a hot head like Merle. She was waiting for her opportunity to take him out.I thought it was odd that she is just merrily going back to the Guv's with Merle instead of fighting him at every step. Now it makes sense with what they just did, but complying like that is not true to her character.
There was a brief moment where Merle was looking away and her sword was right there on his right shoulder. She was still tied, but I expected her to grab the sword, spin around and lop his head off, in one swift ninja move.That's exactly what I was thinking. If talking him out of it wasn't going to work, I fully expected a double fisted roundhouse while they were driving.Of course it was. She's not a hot head like Merle. She was waiting for her opportunity to take him out.I thought it was odd that she is just merrily going back to the Guv's with Merle instead of fighting him at every step. Now it makes sense with what they just did, but complying like that is not true to her character.
Agreed, I posted that last week or the week before (it may have been a preview) that I couldn't stand seeing Rick talk to Herschel about it because he even said he didn't think there was any reasoning with the governor. I "understand" it now because of what they did with Merle, but it was definitely forced.The producers/writers used Rick to set up the sequence where Merle goes rogue, and then achieves redemption. Using Rick as the catalyst in this manner was WAY forced.My biggest problem with this episode is that Rick would even contemplate giving Michonne to the Governor.That whole interlude seemed really out of character.
Yeah, that was great. Hated seeing him go down, but it was a good ending for him with Daryl putting him down.Merle jamming to Motorhead before his mission seemed very fitting![]()
Really? What evidence do I have of her being a good person? Pretty much everything she has done on the show has been good. Yes, she went to go get vengeance, but even in that scene, she went to go save the girl she thought the governor had locked up. You are really stretching it here. I get that you don't like her character and don't like the scowling, but geez, she has been on her own since who knows when, so her social skills weren't great and the only person she had as a friend for another series of months was Andrea. Don't think that will make you scowl? She instantly distrusted the governor and she didn't trust Rick either (he didn't treat her great when they first met and didn't trust her until Carl). Based on her backstory last week, pretty sure she isn't trusting of men until she knows them better.That said, you didn't elaborate on all over the map. I think her character, while not the best to some, has been at least consistent and not all over the map.What evidence do you have of her being a good person? She took care of Andrea (while she still had zombie pets) and was nice to Carl for 5 minutes of an episode. She used Rick's group to get her back into Woodbury and then left them all alone (and screw the plan that other people's lives depended on) to go find the Governor for her own revenge. She was scowling when she was first onscreen and has been scowling since, no matter where she is or with who she's with. She scowls and looks mad so much that any time she doesn't, it's obvious that they're using her as some sort of device, like with Carl or with Merle in the car. Scowling when someone should be, ike when she didn't trust the Guv, isn't the problem. She scowls persistently and 99% of the time, imperviously to the scenario around her.She bided her time at Woodbury as well. Sure, she scowled a lot and was more T-dog than main character for a while, but she felt out the governor before doing anything. She was checking out the blood on the truck after the national guard run-in and figured out the governor way before dumb ### Andrea. Could you elaborate on her all over the map? Seems like someone who doesn't open up, but is a good person and will open up (Andrea and now Rick's crew) once she "trusts" them. We saw a note on this when she told Andrea her walkers in tow deserved what they got. Seems like she started as a guarded person because of that and I am not sure I have seen anything that shows that she hasn't been consistent. She didn't trust the governor, hence the constant scowl.Sure, that's how they want to portray here this time. They've been all over the map with her from the start and tonight was no exception. I suppose she was just biding her time when the zombies were closing in around her, but she chose to sit and wait for Merle to redeem himself and save her because then she knows he'd let her go after they got away. There's no direction to her character, no development, no consistency, no depth, no personality... nothing but a scowl.Completely disagree with you and agree with Christo. Michonne knows Merle and that fighting him at every step is futile. I haven't read the comics, but I think when they introduced her, her backstory (probably from the comics) was that she was a smart person. She had to bide her time and wait for an opportunity. She took the opportunity when he let her by telling her about himself. Based on the Talking Dead show with the actor playing Merle, it sounded like Merle was never planning to give her to the governor and maybe she knew that as well. Pretty sure both Merle and Michonne know that if Merle hands her over, they both end up dead. Merle told Rick the governor was not to be trusted and would kill them all, so I do think he took this opportunity to take Michonne and have her help him kill the governor. Maybe his whole intent was to keep his brother safe because he knew the governor wouldn't leave the prison alone.They don't have a clue about what to do with Michonne or how to do it. They never did. And it started with casting.I thought it was odd that she is just merrily going back to the Guv's with Merle instead of fighting him at every step.
Now it makes sense with what they just did, but complying like that is not true to her character.
I wonder if it sets up Daryl killing the governor. Great episode for Merle all around. Not a great guy, but a solid character on the show.You just knew the gov was not going to give Merle a head shot. I knew Daryl was going to walk up on him as a zombie. But I'm surprised, given the gov's MO, he didn't take Merle back to woodbury as a zombie to keep him like a trophie or something. His head tank was destroyed though.
They don't have a clue about what to do with Michonne or how to do it. They never did. And it started with casting.I thought it was odd that she is just merrily going back to the Guv's with Merle instead of fighting him at every step. Now it makes sense with what they just did, but complying like that is not true to her character.
  Her character started slow.. But she has now become one of my favorite characters on the show.   I wouldn't mind seeing Daryl getting revenge on the governor for Merle. Something tells me the gov is going to make it to season 4. Just seems like there is a lot of unfinished business. I could see Andrea or Michone killing him in the end.I wonder if it sets up Daryl killing the governor. Great episode for Merle all around. Not a great guy, but a solid character on the show.You just knew the gov was not going to give Merle a head shot. I knew Daryl was going to walk up on him as a zombie. But I'm surprised, given the gov's MO, he didn't take Merle back to woodbury as a zombie to keep him like a trophie or something. His head tank was destroyed though.
I hope they kill him off. Obviously, I don't think they can kill all of Rick's crew, so it would be nice to tie up a story line. It isn't like Morgan coming back, getting the governor to come back for revenge in season 6 would be like the show Heroes when Sylar should have died at the end of season 1. When he didn't, it pretty much ruined the show as he was popular and they didn't want to kill him off. Killing the governor would let the show continue to the next adventure instead of always looking back.Also, the nice thing about this show is that unfinished business doesn't matter. Anyone can die at any moment, so you can't dwell on anything.I wouldn't mind seeing Daryl getting revenge on the governor for Merle. Something tells me the gov is going to make it to season 4. Just seems like there is a lot of unfinished business. I could see Andrea or Michone killing him in the end.I wonder if it sets up Daryl killing the governor. Great episode for Merle all around. Not a great guy, but a solid character on the show.You just knew the gov was not going to give Merle a head shot. I knew Daryl was going to walk up on him as a zombie. But I'm surprised, given the gov's MO, he didn't take Merle back to woodbury as a zombie to keep him like a trophie or something. His head tank was destroyed though.
My list.Predictions of death (based on nothing but the fact that last year a lot of people died)...
-Hershal
-DarylCarol
-Governor (and some crew but not all)
-BabyGlenn
agree with Hershal, the GOV, most of woodbury and the kid but no way they kill off their most popular character (Daryl). i also think Beth or Carol will die.a couple possible spoliers:Predictions of death (based on nothing but the fact that last year a lot of people died)...-Hershal-Daryl-Governor (and some crew but not all)-Baby
Thanks for clarifying.I think Milton lives he will be the one to run Woodbury after the Gov diesFYI, I'm not putting this in spoiler tags, but this is addressing something made in tags.
27 people are not dying next week. It was a joke made by Andrew Lincoln about that final, and he is shocked anyone took it seriously. There was an article posted last night where he clarifies that is not the case.
Still it is the Walking Dead and we're not getting out of this season unscathed.
I'm going with this as my death list:
Prision:
Beth
Baby Asskicker
Woodbury:
Gov
Milton
Martinez
Tyrese's hotheaded buddy
A bunch of red shirts
agree with Hershal, the GOV, most of woodbury and the kid but no way they kill off their most popular character (Daryl). i also think Beth or Carol will die.a couple possible spoliers:Predictions of death (based on nothing but the fact that last year a lot of people died)...-Hershal-Daryl-Governor (and some crew but not all)-BabyNorman Reedus is on TD next week and characters that have been killed have been on TD the same week in the pasti read that 27 people die in the finale
That would actually be good to see Milton run Woodbury as maybe that place does actually become more of a haven. That said, if the governor dies, I don't think we will see much of Woodbury in the future.My death list:Thanks for clarifying.I think Milton lives he will be the one to run Woodbury after the Gov diesFYI, I'm not putting this in spoiler tags, but this is addressing something made in tags.
27 people are not dying next week. It was a joke made by Andrew Lincoln about that final, and he is shocked anyone took it seriously. There was an article posted last night where he clarifies that is not the case.
Still it is the Walking Dead and we're not getting out of this season unscathed.
I'm going with this as my death list:
Prision:
Beth
Baby Asskicker
Woodbury:
Gov
Milton
Martinez
Tyrese's hotheaded buddy
A bunch of red shirts
agree with Hershal, the GOV, most of woodbury and the kid but no way they kill off their most popular character (Daryl). i also think Beth or Carol will die.a couple possible spoliers:Predictions of death (based on nothing but the fact that last year a lot of people died)...-Hershal-Daryl-Governor (and some crew but not all)-BabyNorman Reedus is on TD next week and characters that have been killed have been on TD the same week in the pasti read that 27 people die in the finale
As Legolas, er, Darryl was searching for Merle among the bodies, I was sure he was going to come on Merle being eaten by a Zombie. Then when he got to Merle, before we knew it was Merle, I realized that no, it was going to be Merle eating someone. I thought that was a great way to show how sick the govenor was, that he didn't kill him with a head shot because he wanted him to turn into a "biter".Yeah, that was great. Hated seeing him go down, but it was a good ending for him with Daryl putting him down.Merle jamming to Motorhead before his mission seemed very fitting![]()
Gov and Martinez Hernandez die, Hershal dies saving Glen.
Tyrese and Milton run Woodbury as a peaceful, clothing optional community.
Daryl gets a haircut.
Rick talks about 'sticking taagether'' some more.
 I noticed he was looking a little scraggly last night. That scene with him and Glen was about as awkward as it comes. Agree on Herschel, I think he may be the stay behind guy at the prison while the rest try and escape. I would love to see the Governor go into the cell block and Herschel releases a herd and smoke bombs (try shooting zombies in the head when you can't see and somehow blocks there escape. All kinds of awesome.If Herschel still has his magical shotgun that never needs reloading from Season 2, he just might be able to make that final stand work out.'stbugs said:'bushdocda said:Gov and Martinez Hernandez die, Hershal dies saving Glen.
Tyrese and Milton run Woodbury as a peaceful, clothing optional community.
Daryl gets a haircut.
Rick talks about 'sticking taagether'' some more.I noticed he was looking a little scraggly last night. That scene with him and Glen was about as awkward as it comes. Agree on Herschel, I think he may be the stay behind guy at the prison while the rest try and escape. I would love to see the Governor go into the cell block and Herschel releases a herd and smoke bombs (try shooting zombies in the head when you can't see and somehow blocks there escape. All kinds of awesome.
Man, going out on a limb there...At least one of Herschel, Glenn, or Maggie, will die. They showed the religious stuff, the marriage proposal, the Herschell giving his ok for marriage, etc....kind of tying up loose ends in a post-apocalyptic way.My guess is Herschell will die. Beth will live. Maggie tries to cope with the loss of her father for half the 4th season.
Everyone will die but Rick. Better?Man, going out on a limb there...At least one of Herschel, Glenn, or Maggie, will die. They showed the religious stuff, the marriage proposal, the Herschell giving his ok for marriage, etc....kind of tying up loose ends in a post-apocalyptic way.My guess is Herschell will die. Beth will live. Maggie tries to cope with the loss of her father for half the 4th season.
pun based on hershel losing his leg?Everyone will die but Rick. Better?Man, going out on a limb there...At least one of Herschel, Glenn, or Maggie, will die. They showed the religious stuff, the marriage proposal, the Herschell giving his ok for marriage, etc....kind of tying up loose ends in a post-apocalyptic way.My guess is Herschell will die. Beth will live. Maggie tries to cope with the loss of her father for half the 4th season.
I think they have established that zombies are pretty easily distracted.Why would a Zombie that is feeding(Merle last night) get up and go after Daryl? Wouldn't they just keep eating and pay no mind to surroundings.