***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (2 Viewers)

[Bigboy10182000]

Just an awesome way to end an amazing season! I cant wait for October already!

 

[Buckna]

Will echo a lot of the other comments about the season finale being anti-climactic and disappointing. Should have ended with the fade to black and then you hear Andrea shooting herself with Rick's gun.

Too much time spent on Andrea & Milton and this time, Andrea making yet another stupid decision (constantly chit-chatting Milton as he bleeds to death instead of trying to get free first) cost her her life finally. Nothing against the actress but glad to see Andrea go, horribly written character that always made horrible choices. They spent too much time on those two as well as dragging out the searching the empty cellblock that they rushed thru the important details that made this episode so disjointed and unsatisfying. Why did Woodburry's army turn tail and run after a few flashbangs and a siren? I guess we can assume Michone, Rick & Darryl were hiding in the tombs and taking people out, but we didn't get to see it. I can buy Maggie & Glenn not mowing people down because they showed the Gov's henchmen were pinning them down behind cover, but we should have at least seen them hit a few people.

Why did the Gov's army turn-tail and run when he opened up on them? Not one of them got off the back of the truck with a gun? Not a single one got a shot off?!? Would have bought it more if they had started saying something like "screw you Gov, you're not leading anything anymore" and then he and his two boys opened up on them. Should have had at least 1 of the Gov & his 2 guys take at least a minor bullet wound.

Tyrese tells his Sis, be right back, gonna go check on something and... nothing. Nothing after that at all. They take all the old people and children back to the prison instead of moving into Woodburry? Why? Fells like there was a conversation there we missed that ended up on the editing room floor. The prison is torn to shreds, 2 of the guard towers blown up, both gates now ruined. Woodburry seemed to have a lot of supplies that will be hard to transport back and a better setup.

Herschel was freaking about Karl, but the way they shot that scene I think most of us agreed with Carl that you couldn't take the chance. They told the kid to drop the weapon and he didn't. Instead he sort of just angles the shotgun away from them and says "here, take it." I'd be yelling at him over and over again to drop it or just cap him.

I am hoping that the show runner they fired was responsible for this disappointing finale, because I have a feeling this episode let a lot of viewers down and it will hurt the ratings next season.

 

[bushdocda]

Hershal entered Dale territory for me with his absurd narcing out of Carl to Riiiick.

meh he didnt lecture him like dale wouldve. He just told rick what really went down

You're right, Dale would still be yammering.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I still liked this season, but i have been a little disappointed with the past 3-4 episodes. This week, was pretty weak.

No chance i would sit there and have a conversation with Milton if i was locked in a chair trying to get a tool to save my life. Andrea fought off 3 zombies when she was running away from Woodbury and she was in the woods hiding from the gov. All she had at that time was a little pocket knife.

She was trying to keep him talking to keep him alive longer and give her more time. She figured tha as soon as he passed out, he be dead in minutes.

If i was Martinez or the Ed Reed look a like, i would of killed the gov right then and there, what was going to stop the gov from shooting them right there.

I think they were scared ####less personally.

How could Glen and/or Maggie miss so many people running out of the jail, they have been gunning zombies down from 200 feet away, but they cant shoot a mob of people coming out of a doorway.

The impression I got was that they were just trying to get them out of there. I actually think they were trying to off the Governor though.

It seemed like the writers were trying to shore so much stuff up in one episode that they rushed through it all.

My comments in bold.

 

[flapgreen]

Andrea got completely free before zombie Milton got to her right? All of a sudden, with a sturdy metal object in her hand, she can't defend herself from a single walker?

Was wondering this too. She has always been able to handle walkers before. She had the pliers, just turn them around and stab him in the eyes with the handle end.

The whole Milton/Andrea scenes were handled very poorly.. He tells her there is a tool behind her and she takes her time.. Then, once she does have the tool near, she takes timeout to have a conversation with him.. Just seemed like the writers had a difficult time trying to figure out how to "take her out" and ended up with a mish mash of ideas thrown together.. Really expected them to redeem her character and yet all we got was I didn't want anyone else to die

I thought the coversation was ok, but yes, she should have freed herself and had the tool ready before her dialog with him. I honestly thought Tyreese was going to come in and save her from Milton. Obviously they are going to develop his character next season, but so far, he is a a bit of a non-factor. I will say that RIck is lucky it was Tyreese shooting at him or else he would have bit it.

What was the point of Tyrese saying he was going to go back out himself? Nothing happened!

 

[Pick]

Enjoyed where things ended up.

Glad Andrea is gone but sad because I finally felt like I was understanding her character.

Like where Michonne's character went and glad her and Daryl are part of the group for sure now.

Is Carl the new Shane who is his biological father maybe? Cool story line there.

Like that Rick found some peace (not seeing Lori).

Like that Gov is still on the loose.

Weird taking on all those weaklings. But it will help make the zombie presence more threatening.

Overall surprised I thought there would be more main characters die.

 

[badmojo1006]

Enjoyed where things ended up.Glad Andrea is gone but sad because I finally felt like I was understanding her character.Like where Michonne's character went and glad her and Daryl are part of the group for sure now.Is Carl the new Shane who is his biological father maybe? Cool story line there.Like that Rick found some peace (not seeing Lori).Like that Gov is still on the loose.Weird taking on all those weaklings. But it will help make the zombie presence more threatening.Overall surprised I thought there would be more main characters die.

I would be curious to see how many of the weaklings are gone (dead) before Season 4 ends. I am sorry to see Andrea go. She was a great presence in the Comics, but in the show she was written so horribly. Wish they could have taken some of the comic Andrea into the show

 

[Kiddnets]

The Andrea trap had all the elements of the old Batman series........"I'm not going to kill you now....I'm going to leave and assume Milton dies, turns and kills you".....

I felt like Scotty Evil - "just get a gun and shoot her now...bam".....Like Scotty I guess I just dont get it! LOL

 

[Jayrok]

Andrea got completely free before zombie Milton got to her right? All of a sudden, with a sturdy metal object in her hand, she can't defend herself from a single walker?

Was wondering this too. She has always been able to handle walkers before. She had the pliers, just turn them around and stab him in the eyes with the handle end.

The whole Milton/Andrea scenes were handled very poorly.. He tells her there is a tool behind her and she takes her time.. Then, once she does have the tool near, she takes timeout to have a conversation with him.. Just seemed like the writers had a difficult time trying to figure out how to "take her out" and ended up with a mish mash of ideas thrown together.. Really expected them to redeem her character and yet all we got was I didn't want anyone else to die

I thought the coversation was ok, but yes, she should have freed herself and had the tool ready before her dialog with him. I honestly thought Tyreese was going to come in and save her from Milton. Obviously they are going to develop his character next season, but so far, he is a a bit of a non-factor. I will say that RIck is lucky it was Tyreese shooting at him or else he would have bit it.

What was the point of Tyrese saying he was going to go back out himself? Nothing happened!

I don't know either. I thought he would find Milton and Andrea. Nothing happened.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Andrea got completely free before zombie Milton got to her right? All of a sudden, with a sturdy metal object in her hand, she can't defend herself from a single walker?

Was wondering this too. She has always been able to handle walkers before. She had the pliers, just turn them around and stab him in the eyes with the handle end.

The whole Milton/Andrea scenes were handled very poorly.. He tells her there is a tool behind her and she takes her time.. Then, once she does have the tool near, she takes timeout to have a conversation with him.. Just seemed like the writers had a difficult time trying to figure out how to "take her out" and ended up with a mish mash of ideas thrown together.. Really expected them to redeem her character and yet all we got was I didn't want anyone else to die

I thought the coversation was ok, but yes, she should have freed herself and had the tool ready before her dialog with him. I honestly thought Tyreese was going to come in and save her from Milton. Obviously they are going to develop his character next season, but so far, he is a a bit of a non-factor. I will say that RIck is lucky it was Tyreese shooting at him or else he would have bit it.

What was the point of Tyrese saying he was going to go back out himself? Nothing happened!

I don't know either. I thought he would find Milton and Andrea. Nothing happened.

Wouldn't be surprised if that's what they had in mind, and maybe even filmed, before calling an audible and having Andrea get bit/dead instead.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Is Carl the new Shane who is his biological father maybe? Cool story line there.

I can't believe nobody else made this connection yet (not that I think it's a biological thing). Carl is Shane's "mini-me". While I don't think either were/are as "evil" as the Governor, they are/were both headed down that path towards losing their humanity. Somehow, Rick is going to have to deal with the path Carl is on, and I'm sure he hopes it doesn't end with him having to bury a knife in his kid's chest.

As much as some seem to have been annoyed with Dale for harping on it, the theme of "losing one's humanity" is one of the larger ones that makes "post-apocalyptic" stories so intriguing and fascinating. The question of what defines good and bad when there is no longer an underlying legal authority to do so for a population, and the fact that different readers/viewers will have different definitions.

And for people complaining about this being a horrible "ending", I think you may be missing the point. I don't think this was an ending at all. While I agree it was anti-climactic if you were expecting an ending (and I was, to start), this was a "beginning" to Season 4.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Gosh, yeah. I guess I should've gone into the finale expecting to watch episode 1 of season 4. My bad.

 

[pollardsvision]

Is Carl the new Shane who is his biological father maybe? Cool story line there.

I can't believe nobody else made this connection yet (not that I think it's a biological thing). Carl is Shane's "mini-me". While I don't think either were/are as "evil" as the Governor, they are/were both headed down that path towards losing their humanity. Somehow, Rick is going to have to deal with the path Carl is on, and I'm sure he hopes it doesn't end with him having to bury a knife in his kid's chest.

As much as some seem to have been annoyed with Dale for harping on it, the theme of "losing one's humanity" is one of the larger ones that makes "post-apocalyptic" stories so intriguing and fascinating. The question of what defines good and bad when there is no longer an underlying legal authority to do so for a population, and the fact that different readers/viewers will have different definitions.

And for people complaining about this being a horrible "ending", I think you may be missing the point. I don't think this was an ending at all. While I agree it was anti-climactic if you were expecting an ending (and I was, to start), this was a "beginning" to Season 4.

I assume most have.

 

[Rick James]

The Andrea trap had all the elements of the old Batman series........"I'm not going to kill you now....I'm going to leave and assume Milton dies, turns and kills you".....

I felt like Scotty Evil - "just get a gun and shoot her now...bam".....Like Scotty I guess I just dont get it! LOL

Difference being the Governor's plan actually worked.

 

[shadyridr]

The Andrea trap had all the elements of the old Batman series........"I'm not going to kill you now....I'm going to leave and assume Milton dies, turns and kills you"..... I felt like Scotty Evil - "just get a gun and shoot her now...bam".....Like Scotty I guess I just dont get it! LOL

Difference being the Governor's plan actually worked.

lol yep

 

[Sidewinder16]

Gosh, yeah. I guess I should've gone into the finale expecting to watch episode 1 of season 4. My bad.

The series isn't over yet. What were you hoping would be finalized? Should they have ended this episose with "...and they lived happily ever after"?

 

[Sidewinder16]

Is Carl the new Shane who is his biological father maybe? Cool story line there.

I can't believe nobody else made this connection yet

I assume most have.

Fair enough. I guess I was just surprised that it took that long to get verbalized in this thread.

 

[Timmay]

They definitely should have had some type of cliff hanger to end the season, just to get people excited for season 4. Right now im not as excited for the series to come back as i was last season.

What is to look forward to, if the gov returns or not, I know he will for the shows purpose, but i cant stand him, so i wish he was off'd. How the oldies and tyrese, etc mesh with the people at the prison? Not very exciting.

One thing i am very happy about with the finale is that one guy died (David maybe?), who came in with Tyrese and his sister. That guy was really annoying.

 

[Run It Up]

Wow this discussion devolved quickly.Surrogate or otherwise Shane has no relation to Carl other than he banged Lori while Rick was gone for 6 months.This is just a part of Carl's development, this entire time there has been no time for him to grow up, to learn what is morally right - hes been thrust into a situation where he has to protect himself and those he loves and his only inspiration was fear of losing those he loves and his fathers praise but Carl's image of Rick is souring, specifically because he thinks Ricks diplomatic approach to every situation is compromising their safety.He shot the boy who was surrendering because he didn't know him and didn't want to risk the situation being a trap, he has no foresight, no empathy - just fear. He can't comprehend the ambiguity of the situations at hand, because hes a kid... Why bring all these people to the prison when they are struggling to survive with the group they already have? He hasn't learned the lesson yet that all there is left to protect is your and others humanity and it isn't worth sacrificing it to secure your immediate safety.Its a reoccuring theme in the comic as well as the show, thats why there are so many parrallels because they are very heavy handidly shoving it down your throats.

 

[Kiddnets]

The Andrea trap had all the elements of the old Batman series........"I'm not going to kill you now....I'm going to leave and assume Milton dies, turns and kills you"..... I felt like Scotty Evil - "just get a gun and shoot her now...bam".....Like Scotty I guess I just dont get it! LOL

Difference being the Governor's plan actually worked.

lol yep

lol - yes - but did waste about half the ep though! Why go through all that....

 

[The Kuhn]

Is Carl the new Shane who is his biological father maybe? Cool story line there.

I can't believe nobody else made this connection yet (not that I think it's a biological thing). Carl is Shane's "mini-me". While I don't think either were/are as "evil" as the Governor, they are/were both headed down that path towards losing their humanity. Somehow, Rick is going to have to deal with the path Carl is on, and I'm sure he hopes it doesn't end with him having to bury a knife in his kid's chest.

As much as some seem to have been annoyed with Dale for harping on it, the theme of "losing one's humanity" is one of the larger ones that makes "post-apocalyptic" stories so intriguing and fascinating. The question of what defines good and bad when there is no longer an underlying legal authority to do so for a population, and the fact that different readers/viewers will have different definitions.

And for people complaining about this being a horrible "ending", I think you may be missing the point. I don't think this was an ending at all. While I agree it was anti-climactic if you were expecting an ending (and I was, to start), this was a "beginning" to Season 4.

I think the parallel was more meant to be that Carl subscribes to the same philosophy as the governor- Carl's comment to Rick about kill or be killed echoes the same comments the governor made at the beginning.

 

[Thunderlips]

I thought it was pretty well done and set the show up to resemble "prison life" in the book a bit more.

 

[Raider Nation]

Gosh, yeah. I guess I should've gone into the finale expecting to watch episode 1 of season 4. My bad.

The series isn't over yet. What were you hoping would be finalized? Should they have ended this episose with "...and they lived happily ever after"?

Exactly. When a series wraps up, you'll know it. There will be clear, undeniable closure.

Like ordering onion rings before the screen cuts to black.

 

[Major]

Wow, that was an awful finale

 

[Sidewinder16]

Is Carl the new Shane who is his biological father maybe? Cool story line there.

I can't believe nobody else made this connection yet (not that I think it's a biological thing). Carl is Shane's "mini-me". While I don't think either were/are as "evil" as the Governor, they are/were both headed down that path towards losing their humanity. Somehow, Rick is going to have to deal with the path Carl is on, and I'm sure he hopes it doesn't end with him having to bury a knife in his kid's chest.

As much as some seem to have been annoyed with Dale for harping on it, the theme of "losing one's humanity" is one of the larger ones that makes "post-apocalyptic" stories so intriguing and fascinating. The question of what defines good and bad when there is no longer an underlying legal authority to do so for a population, and the fact that different readers/viewers will have different definitions.

And for people complaining about this being a horrible "ending", I think you may be missing the point. I don't think this was an ending at all. While I agree it was anti-climactic if you were expecting an ending (and I was, to start), this was a "beginning" to Season 4.

I think the parallel was more meant to be that Carl subscribes to the same philosophy as the governor- Carl's comment to Rick about kill or be killed echoes the same comments the governor made at the beginning.

No, I get the parallel in the current characters. But it's also a parallel to Shane. Shane very much had the "kill or be killed" mindset. It's why he killed Randall and why he attempted to kill Rick. He thought Rick was a danger to the group. **ETA: I think the parallel is stronger to Shane, though, because Carl and Shane were not just members of Rick's group, but they also have/had very close ties (obviously) to Rick pre-zombie apocalypse.

And it's not like Rick hasn't ever acted out of the "kill or be killed" belief, Shane being the most obvious and prominent example. But he's far more selective about it than the Governor, or Shane, or now, Carl.

 

[Buckfast 1]

I liked the finale, but definitely thought it was flawed in many of the ways that have been mentioned here already.

A lot of people seem to be questioning why the Governor's crew immediately bailed when the smoke and sirens started going off. I think the answer to that is that his "army" was actually composed of a bunch of untrained surburbanites who had been largely removed from the harsh realities of the zombie apocalypse. However, no one would be asking that question if, when the smoke bombs and alarms went off, we saw a few people from Woodbury getting attacked by zombies in the tombs and/or Rick's crew actually sniping a few of them. I think it was flawed storytelling to have the whole Woodbury army enter the prison tombs and then escape with no casualties whatsoever (except for Carl's kill). It was a perfect opportunity for a few gratuitous zombies kills of nameless characters.

Second, I personally don't mind that the Governor storyline is going to continue for another season. It keeps a human antagonist in place, which should help drive the story in Season 4. However, given that the Governor's army now seems to consist only of himself, Mirandez, and Ed Reed, he hardly seems like the intimidating foe that he once was. Rick's crew should be easily able to take care of the Governor's remaining posse, unless he gets some reinforcements or there are more people back at Woodbury we don't know about. I don't think it was necessary to render the Governor's crew seemingly so impotent going into Season 4, particularly when it was done at the hands of the Governor himself.

Finally, the Andrea scene was painstaking in that every viewer was thinking why are they chatting when she needs to be escaping. If they wanted a long drawn-out conversation between Andrea and Milton about why she stayed in Woodbury, then it should have happened in a scene where Andrea and Milton were being held hostage in the same room together, not as Milton was dying and turning into a zombie.

It just seems like all of these apparent flaws in the storylines could have been easily avoided, yet somehow the directors did not recognize or anticipate them. Hopefully, the writing will tighten up in Season 4 to avoid some of these unnecessary pitfalls.

 

[Worm]

I think that as an episode in the series, it was good. If that episode happens mid-season, most people wouldn't be complaining. But as a season finale, it was just meh. Not enough closure to the season long storyline and no cliffhanger or look forward, as mentioned above.

 

[cstu]

For those of you questioning Carl's behavior as psychotic - did you miss the episode where his dad and everyone else in the car completely ignored the backpack guy screaming for help? That guy wasn't even threatening them and they let him die. Carl's supposed to go through that and now think he should have any concern about killing a guy who attacked his family and is holding a gun in his face?

 

[cstu]

It seemed like the writers were trying to shore so much stuff up in one episode that they rushed through it all.

What's the reason for not having a 90 minute finale?

 

[FootballDummy]

I liked the finale, but definitely thought it was flawed in many of the ways that have been mentioned here already.A lot of people seem to be questioning why the Governor's crew immediately bailed when the smoke and sirens started going off. I think the answer to that is that his "army" was actually composed of a bunch of untrained surbabanites who had been largely removed from the harsh realities of the zombie apocalypse. However, no one would be asking that question if, when the smoke bombs and alarms went off, we saw a few people from Woodbury getting attacked by zombies in the tombs and/or Rick's crew actually sniped a few of them. I think it was flawed storytelling to have the whole Woodbury army enter the prison tombs and then escape with no casualties whatsoever (except for Carl's kill). It was a perfect opportunity for a few gratuitous zombies kills of nameless characters.Second, I personally don't mind that the Governor storyline is going to continue for another season. It keeps a human antagonist in place, which should help drive the story in Season 4. However, given that the Governor's army now seems to consist only of himself, Mirandez, and Ed Reed, he hardly seems like the intimidating foe that he once was. Rick's crew should be easily able to take care of the Governor's remaining posse, unless he gets some reinforcements or there are more people back at Woodbury we don't know about. I don't think it was necessary to render the Governor's crew seemingly so impotent going into Season 4, particularly when it was done at the hands of the Governor himself.Finally, the Andrea scene was painstaking in that every viewer was thinking why are they chatting when she needs to be escaping. If they wanted a long drawn-out conversation between Andrea and Milton about why she stayed in Woodbury, then it should have happened in a scene where Andrea and Milton were being held hostage in the same room together, not as Milton was dying and turning into a zombie.It just seems like all of these apparent flaws in the storylines could have been easily avoided, yet somehow the directors did not recognize or anticipate them. Hopefully, the writing will tighten up in Season 4 to avoid some of these unnecessary pitfalls.

Like.

 

[FootballDummy]

For those of you questioning Carl's behavior as psychotic - did you miss the episode where his dad and everyone else in the car completely ignored the backpack guy screaming for help? That guy wasn't even threatening them and they let him die. Carl's supposed to go through that and now think he should have any concern about killing a guy who attacked his family and is holding a gun in his face?

Doesn't mean you have to become a stone hard killer of everybody. Especially people you've met before. Like the kid of the annoying guy who was a complete wuss and would never have tried anything like people in this thread have suggested. But I'll grant you that the dynamics in a child's mind could be interesting.

 

[cstu]

Is Carl the new Shane who is his biological father maybe? Cool story line there.

I can't believe nobody else made this connection yet

I assume most have.

Fair enough. I guess I was just surprised that it took that long to get verbalized in this thread.

Shane's problem was that he was hot head, that's what got him in trouble. Carl reminds me of The Man With No Name.

 

[cstu]

They definitely should have had some type of cliff hanger to end the season, just to get people excited for season 4. Right now im not as excited for the series to come back as i was last season.

What is to look forward to, if the gov returns or not, I know he will for the shows purpose, but i cant stand him, so i wish he was off'd. How the oldies and tyrese, etc mesh with the people at the prison? Not very exciting.

One thing i am very happy about with the finale is that one guy died (David maybe?), who came in with Tyrese and his sister. That guy was really annoying.

I expect a crackin' bridge game in the premiere.

 

[badmojo1006]

I thought Morgan was supposed to be in the final

 

[FootballDummy]

They definitely should have had some type of cliff hanger to end the season, just to get people excited for season 4. Right now im not as excited for the series to come back as i was last season.

What is to look forward to, if the gov returns or not, I know he will for the shows purpose, but i cant stand him, so i wish he was off'd. How the oldies and tyrese, etc mesh with the people at the prison? Not very exciting.

One thing i am very happy about with the finale is that one guy died (David maybe?), who came in with Tyrese and his sister. That guy was really annoying.

I expect a crackin' bridge game in the premiere.

DOUBLE.

 

[cstu]

I liked the finale, but definitely thought it was flawed in many of the ways that have been mentioned here already.A lot of people seem to be questioning why the Governor's crew immediately bailed when the smoke and sirens started going off. I think the answer to that is that his "army" was actually composed of a bunch of untrained surbabanites who had been largely removed from the harsh realities of the zombie apocalypse. However, no one would be asking that question if, when the smoke bombs and alarms went off, we saw a few people from Woodbury getting attacked by zombies in the tombs and/or Rick's crew actually sniped a few of them. I think it was flawed storytelling to have the whole Woodbury army enter the prison tombs and then escape with no casualties whatsoever (except for Carl's kill). It was a perfect opportunity for a few gratuitous zombies kills of nameless characters.Second, I personally don't mind that the Governor storyline is going to continue for another season. It keeps a human antagonist in place, which should help drive the story in Season 4. However, given that the Governor's army now seems to consist only of himself, Mirandez, and Ed Reed, he hardly seems like the intimidating foe that he once was. Rick's crew should be easily able to take care of the Governor's remaining posse, unless he gets some reinforcements or there are more people back at Woodbury we don't know about. I don't think it was necessary to render the Governor's crew seemingly so impotent going into Season 4, particularly when it was done at the hands of the Governor himself.Finally, the Andrea scene was painstaking in that every viewer was thinking why are they chatting when she needs to be escaping. If they wanted a long drawn-out conversation between Andrea and Milton about why she stayed in Woodbury, then it should have happened in a scene where Andrea and Milton were being held hostage in the same room together, not as Milton was dying and turning into a zombie.It just seems like all of these apparent flaws in the storylines could have been easily avoided, yet somehow the directors did not recognize or anticipate them. Hopefully, the writing will tighten up in Season 4 to avoid some of these unnecessary pitfalls.

New showrunner Scott Gimble wrote the Milton/Andrea scene. It's seems like it was a last minute thing so hopefully it's better when he's in charge for the whole season.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I think that as an episode in the series, it was good. If that episode happens mid-season, most people wouldn't be complaining. But as a season finale, it was just meh. Not enough closure to the season long storyline and no cliffhanger or look forward, as mentioned above.

This is about right. It wasn't the worst episode if had been mid-season, but it just didn't feel like a proper finale.

 

[Buckfast 1]

New showrunner Scott Gimble wrote the Milton/Andrea scene. It's seems like it was a last minute thing so hopefully it's better when he's in charge for the whole season.

That's interesting. I didn't think the dialogue between Andrea and Milton was bad, but it just seemed misplaced in the context of the scene. I do think that it did more to develop the characters of Andrea and Milton than had been done through most of the rest of the season.

 

[Disco Stu]

For those of you questioning Carl's behavior as psychotic - did you miss the episode where his dad and everyone else in the car completely ignored the backpack guy screaming for help? That guy wasn't even threatening them and they let him die. Carl's supposed to go through that and now think he should have any concern about killing a guy who attacked his family and is holding a gun in his face?

Doesn't mean you have to become a stone hard killer of everybody. Especially people you've met before. Like the kid of the annoying guy who was a complete wuss and would never have tried anything like people in this thread have suggested. But I'll grant you that the dynamics in a child's mind could be interesting.

Merle shot that kid. It sounds like you're saying Carl did. The wording is confusing though, so...

 

[Disco Stu]

I think it was flawed storytelling to have the whole Woodbury army enter the prison tombs and then escape with no casualties whatsoever (except for Carl's kill). It was a perfect opportunity for a few gratuitous zombies kills of nameless characters.

Are we sure they didn't lose a few at the prison? I didn't do a headcount but assumed there were some casualties. That was a full truckload of people on the way in.

 

[Insein]

Wtf would they bring everyone to the prison instead of take over woodbury?

This was my main thought at the end. Like, lets go kill the guv when he shows up and we have ourselves a nice town instead of a zombie infested prison. Oh well, I guess the writers thought it was "symbolic" or some such BS.

 

[Insein]

I've always said Carl is a cold blooded psycho serial killer in the making. Now it's confirmed.

Who wouldn't have shot that guy? He wasn't putting down the gun.

Oh please. He was trying to give it to him. And Hershel had a gun trained on him anyway. Carl is a psyco killer, expect that to be the focus of the next season.

He had plenty of time to put the gun down. That was the action of a doofus who was going to stealhily try to shoot everyone.

He was coming right for 'em.

 

[Insein]

anticlimactic.

All that for Philip to run off and Woodbury to join the prison.

the elderly, women, and children! woopie. even the 10 minutes of fighting at the prison was meh... alot of shooting at nothing and blowing up towers.

A few minutes of exploring the prison and then everyone hightailing it out of the place after a few people shoot at them? No one even got shot!!!

That ticked me off - neither Glenn nor Maggie could hit anyone?

That was actually probably the most realistic part of the show.

 

[cstu]

Wtf would they bring everyone to the prison instead of take over woodbury?

This was my main thought at the end. Like, lets go kill the guv when he shows up and we have ourselves a nice town instead of a zombie infested prison. Oh well, I guess the writers thought it was "symbolic" or some such BS.

The prison is far more secure than Woodbury. Also, Phil knows Woodbury better than anyone and I wouldn't put it past him to have secret ways in.

 

[Thunderlips]

1) After seeing Richard Harrow "surrender" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR8xnkAsxdA 4:00 on....I'm sorry, I'm not trusting anyone slowly angles the gun as they are surrendering.

2) The whole assault thing on the prison. It was meant to be fugazi. It wasn't bad writing.....Martinez even says that they shouldn't have brought everyone. The Governor fancies himself as a big leader.....but he's ####....he's a toy soldier with charisma and the ability to lie.

 

[Thunderlips]

They have the manpower to clean it out now. In the end, it's a more secure place to live. They also had potential generators.

Wtf would they bring everyone to the prison instead of take over woodbury?

This was my main thought at the end. Like, lets go kill the guv when he shows up and we have ourselves a nice town instead of a zombie infested prison. Oh well, I guess the writers thought it was "symbolic" or some such BS.

 

[Disco Stu]

Andrea got completely free before zombie Milton got to her right? All of a sudden, with a sturdy metal object in her hand, she can't defend herself from a single walker?

We didn't get to see everything, but

btw. Now I know the "fake Ed Reed" character is actually named Shumpert.

 

[Insein]

Andrea got completely free before zombie Milton got to her right? All of a sudden, with a sturdy metal object in her hand, she can't defend herself from a single walker?

Was wondering this too. She has always been able to handle walkers before. She had the pliers, just turn them around and stab him in the eyes with the handle end.

The whole Milton/Andrea scenes were handled very poorly.. He tells her there is a tool behind her and she takes her time.. Then, once she does have the tool near, she takes timeout to have a conversation with him..

Just seemed like the writers had a difficult time trying to figure out how to "take her out" and ended up with a mish mash of ideas thrown together..

Really expected them to redeem her character and yet all we got was I didn't want anyone else to die

I felt that was in line with how stupid she really was in this show. Her "I wanted everyone to live" attitude is what got the most people killed. I had that whole scene scripted in my head before it happened. **** around with the pliers. Keep hoping Milton is alive. When he finally does die, waste time remorsing. Drop pliers a few times. Then frantically get out once he becomes a zombie. Admittedly, I thought it was 50/50 that she kills Milton then escapes but not surprised that the dumbest character in the show manages to die to a walker.

 

[Thunderlips]

I don't think the show creators or writers aren't denying this though....

Andrea got completely free before zombie Milton got to her right? All of a sudden, with a sturdy metal object in her hand, she can't defend herself from a single walker?

Was wondering this too. She has always been able to handle walkers before. She had the pliers, just turn them around and stab him in the eyes with the handle end.

The whole Milton/Andrea scenes were handled very poorly.. He tells her there is a tool behind her and she takes her time.. Then, once she does have the tool near, she takes timeout to have a conversation with him..

Just seemed like the writers had a difficult time trying to figure out how to "take her out" and ended up with a mish mash of ideas thrown together..

Really expected them to redeem her character and yet all we got was I didn't want anyone else to die

I felt that was in line with how stupid she really was in this show. Her "I wanted everyone to live" attitude is what got the most people killed. I had that whole scene scripted in my head before it happened. **** around with the pliers. Keep hoping Milton is alive. When he finally does die, waste time remorsing. Drop pliers a few times. Then frantically get out once he becomes a zombie. Admittedly, I thought it was 50/50 that she kills Milton then escapes but not surprised that the dumbest character in the show manages to die to a walker.

Andrea got completely free before zombie Milton got to her right? All of a sudden, with a sturdy metal object in her hand, she can't defend herself from a single walker?

Was wondering this too. She has always been able to handle walkers before. She had the pliers, just turn them around and stab him in the eyes with the handle end.

The whole Milton/Andrea scenes were handled very poorly.. He tells her there is a tool behind her and she takes her time.. Then, once she does have the tool near, she takes timeout to have a conversation with him..

Just seemed like the writers had a difficult time trying to figure out how to "take her out" and ended up with a mish mash of ideas thrown together..

Really expected them to redeem her character and yet all we got was I didn't want anyone else to die

I felt that was in line with how stupid she really was in this show. Her "I wanted everyone to live" attitude is what got the most people killed. I had that whole scene scripted in my head before it happened. **** around with the pliers. Keep hoping Milton is alive. When he finally does die, waste time remorsing. Drop pliers a few times. Then frantically get out once he becomes a zombie. Admittedly, I thought it was 50/50 that she kills Milton then escapes but not surprised that the dumbest character in the show manages to die to a walker.

 

[Buckfast 1]

I think it was flawed storytelling to have the whole Woodbury army enter the prison tombs and then escape with no casualties whatsoever (except for Carl's kill). It was a perfect opportunity for a few gratuitous zombies kills of nameless characters.

Are we sure they didn't lose a few at the prison? I didn't do a headcount but assumed there were some casualties. That was a full truckload of people on the way in.

That's certainly possible, but they didn't show anyone dying at the prison that I saw. I don't know why they wouldn't show it if it happened.