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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (3 Viewers)

anticlimactic. :sadbanana:
All that for Philip to run off and Woodbury to join the prison.
:thumbup: the elderly, women, and children! woopie. even the 10 minutes of fighting at the prison was meh... alot of shooting at nothing and blowing up towers.
A few minutes of exploring the prison and then everyone hightailing it out of the place after a few people shoot at them? No one even got shot!!! :hot:
That ticked me off - neither Glenn nor Maggie could hit anyone?
That was actually probably the most realistic part of the show.
I thought they did that scene really well. The guy didn't put the gun down and it was only a quick few degree turn from blowing Carl away. When told to put the gun down, instead of laying it down, he moved forward and said 'here you go' I think. It was at a level to wipe Carl out.

 
It did look like that looted Woodbury of items while taking all the old folks and kids from the town. the back of the Hyundai was stocked full of stuff, IIRC, so there is an outside chance that prison life will be closer to the comic book upgraded version for next season then it has been this year.

 
I didn't think Carl killing that kid was that cold-blooded anyway. I might be misremembering but didn't they tell him to drop the gun, which he didn't do, instead walking toward them offering the gun?

 
Andrea's monkey feet were the suck. Just terrible and maybe the most unbelievable thing about the show so far. That and maybe somehow getting out of handcuffs with pliers in 10 seconds or so.

 
It did look like that looted Woodbury of items while taking all the old folks and kids from the town. the back of the Hyundai was stocked full of stuff, IIRC, so there is an outside chance that prison life will be closer to the comic book upgraded version for next season then it has been this year.
I can't wait until the episode of them planting their gardens!
 
Andrea's monkey feet were the suck. Just terrible and maybe the most unbelievable thing about the show so far. That and maybe somehow getting out of handcuffs with pliers in 10 seconds or so.
:lmao:

agreed!! she wasn't wearing socks with those leather boots??? imagine that stench after however long they've been romping around, etc...

that and after watching milton die, knowing damn well he's going to turn and still trying to carry on a conversation with him instead of trying to get out?! the second he told her there were pliers there she should have kicked off the boots and went to work... instead she tells him to hold on, it's going to be ok, we're going to get out, yadda yadda... the realism was definitely lacking during that scene.

 
Enjoyed the finale but agree with others who thought it was a letdown on some levels (notably the assault on the prison). I know Carl gets a lot of grief in this forum but I really thought they did great work with his character this season. The whole "doing what needs to be done" is definitely reminiscent of Shane and I have to think Carl and Rick are going to have a difficult time getting along going forward as a result.

I really like Laurie Holden as an actress but easily the weakest aspect of Season 3 for me was Andrea's character. She made so many inexplicably awful decisions that finally watching her die felt more like a mercy killing than tugging at my heart strings. And while I can appreciate the writers trying to explain her decision making away during her scene with Milton it fell flat and failed to honestly address why a character would appeared to be so strong at the end of Season 2 could suddenly grow so weak in Season 3.

As far as the attack on the prison I enjoyed the surprise element of it quite a bit but really wanted to see more combat action. So much of the season was spent setting up this huge war and nothing really came from it. That was the part of the episode that felt the weakest for me.

Enjoyed Rick finding some peace and no longer seeing Lori and also realizing the "Ricktatorship" had no chance of effectively working. Bringing the residents from Woodbury to the prison was a great way of showing that Rick understands that only way to truly survive in this new world is with a community that truly revolves around one another. It'll be interesting to see how that evolves in Season 4.

Overall, a very good season but not a great one like Season 2. Still my favorite show on TV by far and can't wait for Season 4 in October.

 
I thought Morgan was supposed to be in the final
:goodposting: i checked out Morgan on that imdb website to see what else he was in, and they had him listed as a character and appearing on this episode. My only thought is that he was at some point and then they re-edited the ending and took him out. I wasn't sure where he would come in during the episode last night, but now that i think about it it may make sense that the governor and his buddies find Morgan and Morgan's set-up. But yeah, he was listed as being in this episode so i imagine at some point he must have been. Huh, funny thing i just checked again and he is no longer listed as being on this episode. I did see that Martinez's boy who went with the Governor is named "Bowman" :nerd:

i'm not sure how that will re-integrate the Governor with Rick et al., but if Rick goes to get more supplies at some point maybe that is where they run into the governor again. Maybe the governor is portrayed as weak and needing assistance when we see him next, leaving Rick with the dilemna to kill him when he isn't a threat, or just leave him alone.

 
the lack of closure with the governor situation is what really got me... i don't understand carrying his storyline into another season.

(i haven't read the graphic novels and not sure how big of a part he ends up playing... but come on!)
I like it. Now there's always that threat that he'll be just around the corner.

 
Dickies said:
:shrug: I thought it was a very good episode. Not really sure what else you all expect.
How about some sort of closure for the main story line of the season? They spent the entire season building up to a conflict that never even really happened.And then the Governor lives. Just drives away with two lackeys, not to be see again before the end of the episode. Why keep him around? His character development is done, he's a full-on raving lunatic now. You can't go anywhere approaching interesting with that. They ####ed out. They couldn't give the season a decisive ending. They should have given the Governor vs. prison story a clear ending, killed off some of the dead weight, and put Rick's group back on the road. Instead we get zero resolution, 80% of the episodes' vaunted 27 deaths were civilians getting shot in the back by the Governor, and the Prison group not only DOESN'T move on from the prison, but they actually take on MORE uninteresting dead weight.Horrible season finale.
 
Pick said:
I didn't think Carl killing that kid was that cold-blooded anyway. I might be misremembering but didn't they tell him to drop the gun, which he didn't do, instead walking toward them offering the gun?
They did a poll on talking dead: Psychotic vs. Right thing to do. Results were 50/50.

 
Dickies said:
:shrug: I thought it was a very good episode. Not really sure what else you all expect.
How about some sort of closure for the main story line of the season? They spent the entire season building up to a conflict that never even really happened.And then the Governor lives. Just drives away with two lackeys, not to be see again before the end of the episode. Why keep him around? His character development is done, he's a full-on raving lunatic now. You can't go anywhere approaching interesting with that.They ####ed out. They couldn't give the season a decisive ending. They should have given the Governor vs. prison story a clear ending, killed off some of the dead weight, and put Rick's group back on the road. Instead we get zero resolution, 80% of the episodes' vaunted 27 deaths were civilians getting shot in the back by the Governor, and the Prison group not only DOESN'T move on from the prison, but they actually take on MORE uninteresting dead weight.Horrible season finale.
Disagree. can't really say they #####ed out because they didn't give us the governor vs. prison and a clear ending. I think it is pretty obvious who wins that battle. Yes the Walking Dead doesn't mind killing off main characters, but hard to believe they kill off all the prison folk and the Governor and Woodbury live on. I have faith they will not let it drag out too long, or they will not show the governor for awhile (maybe until the 2nd half of the season). It was impressive when they killed Shane 2/3 of the way through the 2nd season, that certainly warranted being a finale.

Your main question is why keep the governor around, suggesting that his character development is done and that there is nowhere to go with it? I really disagree with this too, we are talking the zombie apocalypse where there is literally tons of story lines and paths that the governor can go down. What if he finds some town that was able to fend off the zombie apocalypse and goes on to be a model citizen with them? What if he maintains this vendetta against the prison folk and continues to haunt them and sabotage them? Maybe his going on builds Martinez and the other guy's character more.

I can't argue that i didn;t want to see the conflict happen, but i am not freaking out about it either. We can all bet that the governor will probably get it at some point, and maybe they make his death more meaningful now when he finally goes. I am sure the governor still being alive will make add a variable to the storyline going forward and make it interesting. I am sure Robert Kirkman has some thoughts and will make it interesting.The only thing that will bother me is if they do try and pull a move like they did with Merle and have him go out as some kind of good guy and as a martyr to show that all of these characters are good people or something. Then i think we can complain

 
werdnoynek said:
Pick said:
Andrea's monkey feet were the suck. Just terrible and maybe the most unbelievable thing about the show so far. That and maybe somehow getting out of handcuffs with pliers in 10 seconds or so.
:lmao:

agreed!! she wasn't wearing socks with those leather boots??? imagine that stench after however long they've been romping around, etc...

that and after watching milton die, knowing damn well he's going to turn and still trying to carry on a conversation with him instead of trying to get out?! the second he told her there were pliers there she should have kicked off the boots and went to work... instead she tells him to hold on, it's going to be ok, we're going to get out, yadda yadda... the realism was definitely lacking during that scene.
She was wearing socks. You can see her take them off with the boots.

And the second part, that fit in with how dumb she is.

 
werdnoynek said:
Pick said:
Andrea's monkey feet were the suck. Just terrible and maybe the most unbelievable thing about the show so far. That and maybe somehow getting out of handcuffs with pliers in 10 seconds or so.
:lmao:

agreed!! she wasn't wearing socks with those leather boots??? imagine that stench after however long they've been romping around, etc...

that and after watching milton die, knowing damn well he's going to turn and still trying to carry on a conversation with him instead of trying to get out?! the second he told her there were pliers there she should have kicked off the boots and went to work... instead she tells him to hold on, it's going to be ok, we're going to get out, yadda yadda... the realism was definitely lacking during that scene.
She was wearing socks. You can see her take them off with the boots.

And the second part, that fit in with how dumb she is.
oh! nevermind that then...

 
Disco Stu said:
Worm said:
Andrea got completely free before zombie Milton got to her right? All of a sudden, with a sturdy metal object in her hand, she can't defend herself from a single walker?
We didn't get to see everything, but

:lmao:

Apparently the actor who plays Milton is a wuss in real life too. Nearly vomited twice in the make-up trailer trying to get contacts in his eyes. :lmao: :lmao:

 
Dickies said:
:shrug: I thought it was a very good episode. Not really sure what else you all expect.
How about some sort of closure for the main story line of the season? They spent the entire season building up to a conflict that never even really happened.And then the Governor lives. Just drives away with two lackeys, not to be see again before the end of the episode. Why keep him around? His character development is done, he's a full-on raving lunatic now. You can't go anywhere approaching interesting with that. They ####ed out. They couldn't give the season a decisive ending. They should have given the Governor vs. prison story a clear ending, killed off some of the dead weight, and put Rick's group back on the road. Instead we get zero resolution, 80% of the episodes' vaunted 27 deaths were civilians getting shot in the back by the Governor, and the Prison group not only DOESN'T move on from the prison, but they actually take on MORE uninteresting dead weight.Horrible season finale.
Exactly!
 
Dickies said:
:shrug: I thought it was a very good episode. Not really sure what else you all expect.
How about some sort of closure for the main story line of the season? They spent the entire season building up to a conflict that never even really happened.And then the Governor lives. Just drives away with two lackeys, not to be see again before the end of the episode. Why keep him around? His character development is done, he's a full-on raving lunatic now. You can't go anywhere approaching interesting with that.They ####ed out. They couldn't give the season a decisive ending. They should have given the Governor vs. prison story a clear ending, killed off some of the dead weight, and put Rick's group back on the road. Instead we get zero resolution, 80% of the episodes' vaunted 27 deaths were civilians getting shot in the back by the Governor, and the Prison group not only DOESN'T move on from the prison, but they actually take on MORE uninteresting dead weight.Horrible season finale.
Disagree. can't really say they #####ed out because they didn't give us the governor vs. prison and a clear ending. I think it is pretty obvious who wins that battle. Yes the Walking Dead doesn't mind killing off main characters, but hard to believe they kill off all the prison folk and the Governor and Woodbury live on. I have faith they will not let it drag out too long, or they will not show the governor for awhile (maybe until the 2nd half of the season). It was impressive when they killed Shane 2/3 of the way through the 2nd season, that certainly warranted being a finale. Your main question is why keep the governor around, suggesting that his character development is done and that there is nowhere to go with it? I really disagree with this too, we are talking the zombie apocalypse where there is literally tons of story lines and paths that the governor can go down. What if he finds some town that was able to fend off the zombie apocalypse and goes on to be a model citizen with them? What if he maintains this vendetta against the prison folk and continues to haunt them and sabotage them? Maybe his going on builds Martinez and the other guy's character more. I can't argue that i didn;t want to see the conflict happen, but i am not freaking out about it either. We can all bet that the governor will probably get it at some point, and maybe they make his death more meaningful now when he finally goes. I am sure the governor still being alive will make add a variable to the storyline going forward and make it interesting. I am sure Robert Kirkman has some thoughts and will make it interesting.The only thing that will bother me is if they do try and pull a move like they did with Merle and have him go out as some kind of good guy and as a martyr to show that all of these characters are good people or something. Then i think we can complain
More meaningful? How could it get any more meaningful than the season finale? Should he build an army of rebels and go after Rick again, and then get offed? Killing him last night was as meaningful as it's going to get. He killed a bunch of innocent people from his own people. Everyone already thought the storyline was dragged out too long and had gotten boring. They should've killed him off and hit the road, leaving everyone wondering what would happen next. All I'm wondering now is how many gardens they are going to plant.
 
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Dickies said:
:shrug: I thought it was a very good episode. Not really sure what else you all expect.
How about some sort of closure for the main story line of the season? They spent the entire season building up to a conflict that never even really happened.And then the Governor lives. Just drives away with two lackeys, not to be see again before the end of the episode. Why keep him around? His character development is done, he's a full-on raving lunatic now. You can't go anywhere approaching interesting with that.They ####ed out. They couldn't give the season a decisive ending. They should have given the Governor vs. prison story a clear ending, killed off some of the dead weight, and put Rick's group back on the road. Instead we get zero resolution, 80% of the episodes' vaunted 27 deaths were civilians getting shot in the back by the Governor, and the Prison group not only DOESN'T move on from the prison, but they actually take on MORE uninteresting dead weight.Horrible season finale.
Disagree. can't really say they #####ed out because they didn't give us the governor vs. prison and a clear ending. I think it is pretty obvious who wins that battle. Yes the Walking Dead doesn't mind killing off main characters, but hard to believe they kill off all the prison folk and the Governor and Woodbury live on. I have faith they will not let it drag out too long, or they will not show the governor for awhile (maybe until the 2nd half of the season). It was impressive when they killed Shane 2/3 of the way through the 2nd season, that certainly warranted being a finale. Your main question is why keep the governor around, suggesting that his character development is done and that there is nowhere to go with it? I really disagree with this too, we are talking the zombie apocalypse where there is literally tons of story lines and paths that the governor can go down. What if he finds some town that was able to fend off the zombie apocalypse and goes on to be a model citizen with them? What if he maintains this vendetta against the prison folk and continues to haunt them and sabotage them? Maybe his going on builds Martinez and the other guy's character more. I can't argue that i didn;t want to see the conflict happen, but i am not freaking out about it either. We can all bet that the governor will probably get it at some point, and maybe they make his death more meaningful now when he finally goes. I am sure the governor still being alive will make add a variable to the storyline going forward and make it interesting. I am sure Robert Kirkman has some thoughts and will make it interesting.The only thing that will bother me is if they do try and pull a move like they did with Merle and have him go out as some kind of good guy and as a martyr to show that all of these characters are good people or something. Then i think we can complain
Nothing you dreamed up here sounds like interesting TV to me. Ricky's group pared down to a lean, mean, under-fed, under-prepared, and under-equipped fighting machine forced back out onto the road after a disastrous attempt at settling down, off to the next perilous adventure, just trying to survive after a few unexpected deaths and a massive battle where they best the Governor, but didn't really "win" because now they've been put back into a situation where zombies are a real, everyday danger again...that sounds like good TV.Instead we get no closure, more dead weight, and no shift in scenery. Great.This is the slightly better equivalent to the Sophie/farm storyline that just refused to end or bring resolution to anything important. Except now it's dragging from season to season, rather than from episode to episode.
 
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They should have given the Governor vs. prison story a clear ending, killed off some of the dead weight, and put Rick's group back on the road.
So you wanted a completely formulaic and predictable season finale.That sounds awesome
Yes, it does sound awesome. Because that's when this show is at it's best. For instance, when they're hiding under cars in a traffic jam as a herd passes them by. When they're on the road, when they're scrounging and clawing to survive. When they stay in one place for too long and get too angsty, things go downhill. It's not about action vs. character development. I'm not one of those who needs less talking and more violence. It's just about when this show is strong, and when it's not.And I can say pretty confidently that so far, being unable to wrap up dead storylines and make bold moves towards an unknown future is actually the reoccurring formula of this show. Here's an example: I just watched the finale tonight, a day late so that I could watch it with my girlfriend. And she said that she didn't spoil herself, but did see tons of unhappy people ranting on Facebook. My immediate reaction? "I guarantee that means they don't kill the governor or resolve anything. That probably means they won't move on from the prison or kill anyone unexpected, either."So...what's formulaic and predictable, again?
 
Raider Nation said:
Mario Kart said:
What will season 4's dilemma be?
No idea, but whatever it is, I hope they are all roaming. Most of the appeal (for me, anyway) of season 1 was all of the choas, trying to get to Atlanta or the CDC or anywhere else that will be safe. But once they are there, hunkered down, the story drags. I want to see them on the run every week. Let's see what the rest of the country looks like. Surely the show has a big enough budget to make that happen by now.
:lol:

 
They should have given the Governor vs. prison story a clear ending, killed off some of the dead weight, and put Rick's group back on the road.
So you wanted a completely formulaic and predictable season finale.That sounds awesome
Yes, it does sound awesome. Because that's when this show is at it's best. For instance, when they're hiding under cars in a traffic jam as a herd passes them by. When they're on the road, when they're scrounging and clawing to survive. When they stay in one place for too long and get too angsty, things go downhill. It's not about action vs. character development. I'm not one of those who needs less talking and more violence. It's just about when this show is strong, and when it's not.And I can say pretty confidently that so far, being unable to wrap up dead storylines and make bold moves towards an unknown future is actually the reoccurring formula of this show. Here's an example: I just watched the finale tonight, a day late so that I could watch it with my girlfriend. And she said that she didn't spoil herself, but did see tons of unhappy people ranting on Facebook.My immediate reaction? "I guarantee that means they don't kill the governor or resolve anything. That probably means they won't move on from the prison or kill anyone unexpected, either."So...what's formulaic and predictable, again?
I think the different show runners and people involved with the show probably effected some of this. Who knows what is going behind the scenes with the powers that be at AMC and those in charge of the show. All I know is I have faith in Kirkman, he can go tons of different ways, and can progress the story along so that it isn't as formulaic as find a place for a season, get comfortable halfway through it, then have to leave at the end of the season. There was not a feeling at all of repetitiveness in his story in the comics and he is well over 100 issues at this point. Sure seeing this story line close would have been nice too, but i don't think it would have changed dramatically what they will do next season, and it will be interesting always knowing that the Governor is still out there and could possibly show up at any time. I'm also sure that the show will deal with this issue in the beginning of next season. Maybe they keep the Governor alive a bit more to further divide Rick and Carl since Rick couldn't finish the job in Carl's eyes again. This leads to a better pay off with that angle.

All i know is the show will be fine, and i will certainly tune in next October. I doubt they can do enough to ruin the show or make it unbearable. They can always go back to the group having something go wrong and being overwhelmed by zombies. it is a simple formula they can work with. Maybe this new angle for the new season will focus on what the group does with a bunch of old people and children, and not enough food. How much to sacrifice of the group to go forward? I am sure the show will be fine.

 
They should have given the Governor vs. prison story a clear ending, killed off some of the dead weight, and put Rick's group back on the road.
So you wanted a completely formulaic and predictable season finale.That sounds awesome
Yes, it does sound awesome. Because that's when this show is at it's best. For instance, when they're hiding under cars in a traffic jam as a herd passes them by. When they're on the road, when they're scrounging and clawing to survive. When they stay in one place for too long and get too angsty, things go downhill. It's not about action vs. character development. I'm not one of those who needs less talking and more violence. It's just about when this show is strong, and when it's not.And I can say pretty confidently that so far, being unable to wrap up dead storylines and make bold moves towards an unknown future is actually the reoccurring formula of this show. Here's an example: I just watched the finale tonight, a day late so that I could watch it with my girlfriend. And she said that she didn't spoil herself, but did see tons of unhappy people ranting on Facebook.My immediate reaction? "I guarantee that means they don't kill the governor or resolve anything. That probably means they won't move on from the prison or kill anyone unexpected, either."So...what's formulaic and predictable, again?
I think the different show runners and people involved with the show probably effected some of this. Who knows what is going behind the scenes with the powers that be at AMC and those in charge of the show. All I know is I have faith in Kirkman, he can go tons of different ways, and can progress the story along so that it isn't as formulaic as find a place for a season, get comfortable halfway through it, then have to leave at the end of the season. There was not a feeling at all of repetitiveness in his story in the comics and he is well over 100 issues at this point. Sure seeing this story line close would have been nice too, but i don't think it would have changed dramatically what they will do next season, and it will be interesting always knowing that the Governor is still out there and could possibly show up at any time. I'm also sure that the show will deal with this issue in the beginning of next season. Maybe they keep the Governor alive a bit more to further divide Rick and Carl since Rick couldn't finish the job in Carl's eyes again. This leads to a better pay off with that angle. All i know is the show will be fine, and i will certainly tune in next October. I doubt they can do enough to ruin the show or make it unbearable. They can always go back to the group having something go wrong and being overwhelmed by zombies. it is a simple formula they can work with. Maybe this new angle for the new season will focus on what the group does with a bunch of old people and children, and not enough food. How much to sacrifice of the group to go forward? I am sure the show will be fine.
That sounds terrible.
 
So...what's formulaic and predictable, again?
That unless a show turns out exactly the way you want it to, you will be unhappy and ##### about it?
I've never been one of the incessant whiners in this thread. I enjoy the premise enough to pretty much lap up whatever the show ladles onto my plate. I can usually suspend disbelief and criticism very easily when its a subject I enjoy. So forgive me if for once, I'd like to ##### about how I think it was a really directionless finale with no payoff, with tons of wasted potential and most importantly, wasted minutes as they lingered on the wrong things and left much unresolved.I'm not a hater. I'm just unhappy with it right now. That's what I'm feeling about the show at the moment. Which is why I posted it in here. Forgive me if I offended you for having an opinion, guy.
 
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Why HBO Passed on The Walking Dead

When the AMC Network announced in March of 2010 that it was greenlighting a new six-episode zombie series spearheaded by three-time Academy Award-nominee Frank Darabont, many in the industry thought it a giant risk. Would people tune into a gore-filled post-apocalyptic undead thriller based on a comic book? It took only one or two episodes of season one to see that the popular answer was yes. A little over two and a half years later, AMC's gamble is now a ratings juggernaut, second only to Sunday Night Football.

"Thank you to the fans for making 'The Walking Dead' such a tremendous success," the network said after season three premiered with more than 10.9 million viewers tuning in. "We are honored and humbled that television's largest adult audience resides on AMC."

Interestingly enough, AMC was not the first choice for "Walking Dead" producer Gale Anne Hurd. The 56-year-old and former wife of film director James Cameron, actually approached both NBC and HBO to pick up the series. But in an odd twist, more so for the latter, both passed because of show's violent drama.

Greg Nicotero, makeup effects artist and co-executive producer for "The Walking Dead" praises Hurd in a new interview with the Huffington Post for refusing to deviate from the original tone.

"When NBC and HBO both said that they'd be willing to commit to a The Walking Dead television series if the production team significantly toned down the graphic novels' violence and gore, Gale said, 'No, thank you,' and then began shopping the show around to other networks," Nicotero told the site.

"Thank goodness we wound up at AMC. They totally get this show. Right from the beginning, they've been completely trusting and supportive of what we've been trying to do with this series," he added.

It's amazing to me that HBO, known for such violent series as "Boardwalk Empire" and "The Sopranos" would take issue with the killing of zombies. But their loss was certainly AMC's gain - and, according to Nicotero, likely resulted in a much better series.

"We spent a million and a half on that prison set. And all the months that that took to build, AMC never once checked up on us," he said. "They never flew an executive or an accountant out to Georgia to make sure that we were spending that money the way that we said we would. Now that's trust."
 
Raider Nation said:
Mario Kart said:
What will season 4's dilemma be?
No idea, but whatever it is, I hope they are all roaming. Most of the appeal (for me, anyway) of season 1 was all of the choas, trying to get to Atlanta or the CDC or anywhere else that will be safe. But once they are there, hunkered down, the story drags. I want to see them on the run every week. Let's see what the rest of the country looks like. Surely the show has a big enough budget to make that happen by now.
:lol:
AMC is a ####ing joke. They have the highest rated cable TV show and a veritable goldmine for the foreseeable future yet they are trying to milk every dime they can out of the show. They cut the 2nd season's budget from $3.3M to $2.7M even though it was a bona fide hit and fired the original showrunner over it.

I'm not interested in giving this show a single penny in merchandise, games, etc. as long as they remain greedy and don't make producing a quality show a serious concern. I suggest a boycott of anything Walking Dead related until they make a change.

 
The budget issue with the show is all too reminiscent of what Fox did with the Planet of the Apes franchise, dropping the budgets from $5M to $3M, $2.5M, $1.8M and $1.7M despite the movies all making back at least 5x the budget - and that doesn't include all the merch they sold.

 
Raider Nation said:
Mario Kart said:
What will season 4's dilemma be?
No idea, but whatever it is, I hope they are all roaming. Most of the appeal (for me, anyway) of season 1 was all of the choas, trying to get to Atlanta or the CDC or anywhere else that will be safe. But once they are there, hunkered down, the story drags. I want to see them on the run every week. Let's see what the rest of the country looks like. Surely the show has a big enough budget to make that happen by now.
:lol:
AMC is a ####ing joke. They have the highest rated cable TV show and a veritable goldmine for the foreseeable future yet they are trying to milk every dime they can out of the show. They cut the 2nd season's budget from $3.3M to $2.7M even though it was a bona fide hit and fired the original showrunner over it.

I'm not interested in giving this show a single penny in merchandise, games, etc. as long as they remain greedy and don't make producing a quality show a serious concern. I suggest a boycott of anything Walking Dead related until they make a change.
Kurt Sotter(Sons of Anarchy Showrunner) during Darabont's departure: "No one else wants to ****ing say it, but the greed of Mad Men is killing the other two best shows on TV -- Breaking Bad and Walking Dead,"Kurt Sotter after yesterday's news:"AMC is run by small-minded, bottom-line thinkers who have no appreciation or gratitude for the effort of its creative personnel," Sutter wrote. "Time and time again we see events like what happened today with Glen Mazzara. They continue to disrespect writers, #### on their audience and bury their network. Mazzara took the work-in-progress that wasWalking Dead" and turned it into a viable TV show with a future. Without him, that future is dim. Showrunners are not development executives, we're not cookie-cutter douchebags that you plug into a preexisting model. TWD will suffer. Even zombies need consistency.Mad Men and Breaking Bad will be gone soon. So will AMC. I hope their ****ing stock takes a dive and the shareholders line up [AMC president and CEO Josh] Sapan, [AMC parent Cablevision founder Charles] Dolan and [AMC president and GM Charlie] Collier and #### in their open hands. ####s."
 
We caught up with the man who played Milton, Dallas Roberts,

EW: So how and when did they break the news to you about Milton going down? I’m assuming showrunner Glen Mazzara gave you the call.
ROBERTS: It was in the fall. They had shut down production for a week or 10 days to retool the third to the last episode so I was back in New York City at the time and the phone rang from Glen. I wasn’t surprised by it, and then he told me how it was going to happen, which varied a bit from what you saw.

EW: Yeah, I know you guys originally shot a much different version of this whole scene. Walk me through how it was originally shot.
ROBERTS: Originally, the beating scene that started the episode wasn’t there. Originally, I showed up and was led into the room where Andrea was and I took the tools out – the instruments of torture that were laid on the table — and then he shot me in the stomach, completely unexpectedly. And then I was left to bleed out in the same idea basically — you’re going to kill her now. There was a lot more of Milton trying to open the door and him trying to free her from the chains. And then there was a section where he was going to wrap the chain around the neck and try to choke her to death before he turned so she wouldn’t have to deal with Walker Milton, or Biter Milton, as it were.

And then at the end of that, it was just Tyrese and someone else who found her. Rick and Daryl and Michonne weren’t there. So it was essentially the same idea, except you saw me taking chunks out of Laurie Holden in that version. And then they called us back a few months later to reshoot it and made all those changes. So now you’re not sure if I’ve gotten her until after that door opens, and I think that’s probably why they did it.

EW: So they actually shot the scene of you as a zombie biting into her?
ROBERTS: Yeah. It’s funny, in the articles and on Talking Dead last night, you’ll notice stills of Milton where he has glasses on [Ed Note: See picture above!]. They are from the scenes that we shot and weren’t aired. Because Milton gets his glasses knocked off and never has glasses in the interrogation scene in this finale. But I’ve seen a lot of pictures where Milton has blood on his mouth and glasses on that were from that first shooting.

EW: So tell me about the part where you were trying to strangle her.
ROBERTS: They both desperately wanted for that to work but at that point he had bled out so much. So he pulls and pulls and pulls but he doesn’t get it done and he falls against the wall and is passed out. And he never comes back from that until he turns into a walker.

EW: When you came back to do the reshoot, was that after Glen Mazzara had moved off the show?
ROBERTS: Yes, it was after he and AMC had decided to part, but he was still theoretically in charge of the back half of the season. I didn’t see him there. I don’t know if we was in L.A. pulling those strings. Scott Gimple, who ended up taking the showrunner position, was there, so some of those changes may have come from him.
 
This was such an unbelievably bad finale after a very good season leading up to it. In fact, the only way this episode works at all is if you think of it as Glen Mazzara's Rick Roll to AMC for getting fired.

 
I know this serves me right for watching a download (UK Based) but just after the Woodbury Residents got off the bus the sound went crazy and jumped back to the bit where Karen encountered Tyreese.

Gun fire everywhere, I was sure someone was going to die at that point.

 
I hate to go all Katt Williams here, but Carl is the only real MFer on the show and they are going to try and tame him.
i think carl is going to kill the guv next season.

i did like the scene where daryl saw his zombie brother, thought that was pretty good.. i didnt see the scene where he returned to the prison though

 
Dickies said:
:shrug: I thought it was a very good episode. Not really sure what else you all expect.
How about some sort of closure for the main story line of the season? They spent the entire season building up to a conflict that never even really happened.And then the Governor lives. Just drives away with two lackeys, not to be see again before the end of the episode. Why keep him around? His character development is done, he's a full-on raving lunatic now. You can't go anywhere approaching interesting with that.They ####ed out. They couldn't give the season a decisive ending. They should have given the Governor vs. prison story a clear ending, killed off some of the dead weight, and put Rick's group back on the road. Instead we get zero resolution, 80% of the episodes' vaunted 27 deaths were civilians getting shot in the back by the Governor, and the Prison group not only DOESN'T move on from the prison, but they actually take on MORE uninteresting dead weight.Horrible season finale.
I'm not sure how they could even accomplish the finale most wanted/expected.

A clear ending to the Gov vs Prison requires one side prevailing in a big battle. If the Prison wins, there's no reason for them to hit the road. If the Gov wins, Rick's group would be wiped out.

 
Watching the finale last night I also had some of the same thoughts as other people here:

I was ok with Carl shooting the kid. He asks him to put the gun down and the kid didn't and says "take it". The kid is going down.

Why not all go to Woodbury? Maybe Rick felt that the Gov was more likely to go back there and since he developed the place, the Gov would know exactly how to enter the camp undetected and put himself in a position to cause major damage, whereas in the prison, there is more controlled access (at least within the prison - outside, you're just looking to be sniped).

Why did Andrea talk so much with Milton? Perhaps she felt like she needed to continue to talk with him to ensure Milton remained awake. We've all seen enough movies to know that when you lose focus/consciousness, you're more likely to drop off - "Milton, Don't go to the Light....."

The worst part for me was the fact that the Gov and his people walk into the prison past an elevated walkway which is reinforce with metal plating. If you took the time to blow up two lookout towers, why in the world would you walk past such a defensive position?

I also wished they killed off the Gov.

ETA - Seems they filmed the show to run 90 minutes (inclusive of commercials) and then cut it back to an hour and thus it seemed very choppy.

 
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