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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (3 Viewers)

There wasn't nearly enough blood in that car seat for a zombie to have mowed Jude. The blood looked more like it came from dirty hands/arms. There would be a pool of blood and bones in there if it was a place setting for a meal.
They're not going to show baby bones imo, but this looks like plenty of blood to me.

If it was just the sides I would agree it came from dirty hands and arms, but it's darkest in the area blood would pool. The straps are completely soaked.
:lmao:
We sure the pink at the bottom is blood and not the color of the material? There is a pink stripe on the top, it could be matching. Which would translate to not much blood at all.
Here's the amount of thought I put into the stupid baby that Rick has pretty much never been with in a scene since she was "born".

"Hmm, looks like the baby got got."

Then after seeing the massive over-acting by Rick when he finds out.:

"Hmm, maybe he's just going to think the baby is dead for awhile and meanwhile someone else has to lug it around for him again."
Here's how much thought I put in to it. Every time they said Judith, I thought who the hell are they talking about? , oh yeah the stupid baby.

You would think he would be relieved that he didn't have to lug around his ex wives illegitimate baby she had with his ex best friend whom he killed anymore.

 
probably been discussed in here already but when does the spin off show start?

Also, is AMC just going to start spinning off everything?

 
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There wasn't nearly enough blood in that car seat for a zombie to have mowed Jude. The blood looked more like it came from dirty hands/arms. There would be a pool of blood and bones in there if it was a place setting for a meal.
They're not going to show baby bones imo, but this looks like plenty of blood to me.

If it was just the sides I would agree it came from dirty hands and arms, but it's darkest in the area blood would pool. The straps are completely soaked.
:lmao:
We sure the pink at the bottom is blood and not the color of the material? There is a pink stripe on the top, it could be matching. Which would translate to not much blood at all.
Here's the amount of thought I put into the stupid baby that Rick has pretty much never been with in a scene since she was "born"."Hmm, looks like the baby got got."

Then after seeing the massive over-acting by Rick when he finds out.:

"Hmm, maybe he's just going to think the baby is dead for awhile and meanwhile someone else has to lug it around for him again."
Here's how much thought I put in to it. Every time they said Judith, I thought who the hell are they talking about? , oh yeah the stupid baby.You would think he would be relieved that he didn't have to lug around his ex wives illegitimate baby she had with his ex best friend whom he killed anymore.
:goodposting:
 
And why aren't these guys taking advantage of the knowledge that you can cut off the arms and remove the jaw and you instantly have zombie repellent? This seems like the logical thing to do. They could have put one at each fence post of the prison and never had to worry about walkers at the fences. Think how much farming could have been done!

 
And why aren't these guys taking advantage of the knowledge that you can cut off the arms and remove the jaw and you instantly have zombie repellent? This seems like the logical thing to do. They could have put one at each fence post of the prison and never had to worry about walkers at the fences. Think how much farming could have been done!
Here is what I was thinking, you ever see that video of the little kid wearing the seal hat at the zoo and the polar bear sees it and attacks the glass? He went nuts because he saw his food on the other side of the fence. What if you just put some damn cardboard or something along the fence to obscure the zombie view, I think that would help.

But it is a moot point now, everyone is on the run, zombie babies and kids with guns roam the lands.

Bob is the only one who is probably really happy at this point because he has a legit excuse to kill the pain with some booze.

 
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Loan Sharks said:
TheIronSheik said:
And why aren't these guys taking advantage of the knowledge that you can cut off the arms and remove the jaw and you instantly have zombie repellent? This seems like the logical thing to do. They could have put one at each fence post of the prison and never had to worry about walkers at the fences. Think how much farming could have been done!
Here is what I was thinking, you ever see that video of the little kid wearing the seal hat at the zoo and the polar bear sees it and attacks the glass? He went nuts because he saw his food on the other side of the fence. What if you just put some damn cardboard or something along the fence to obscure the zombie view, I think that would help.

But it is a moot point now, everyone is on the run, zombie babies and kids with guns roam the lands.

Bob is the only one who is probably really happy at this point because he has a legit excuse to kill the pain with some booze.
I just had an epiphany! What if Bob eventually creates some robots to kill the zombies, but bad programming leads to the robots killing all humans. A Robot Apocalypse, if you will.

Bob could be the Bob that Maurile Tremblay was referring to!

:jawdrop:

 
I didn't get the impression Brian's group was supposed to be well trained in terms of combat. Looked like a rag tag group who just went along with his plan. Not surprised they weren't able to land a lot of shots. I would expect the prison group to be more well trained even if they were at a numbers disadvantage.

As far as the battle itself, the main character was wounded, his child may have been eaten, another main character was beheaded, the main villain of the past season-plus was killed and a little girl he had grown attached to was attacked and killed. I don't think there was a shortage of bloodshed in this episode.
And yet they didn't automatically take Rick up on his offer to let them live there. Regardless of having a tank they weren't prepared for battle, especially against an enemy supposedly as bad as Brian had claimed.

It was also pretty stupid that none of them demanded to talk to the hostages before agreeing to this plan. Lots of logic holes but that's nothing new to this show.
Yeah but, their number 1 and number 2 leaders had been killed. There was a leadership vacuum and the Gov filled it. I don't see that as a logic hole. I think it's pretty realistic in a post-apocalyptic scenario that a bunch of follower types would follow a strong leader promising something better without making a bunch of contrary demands.
I understand agreeing to the plan but once they got there and Rick was obviously scared (not what someone Brian had described would act like) and willing to let them live there someone would have spoken up instead of letting Brian continue to threaten them.

 
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Copeman said:
Homer J Simpson said:
The only thing I took as REALLY stupid was when Daryl shoved a grenade down the barrel of the tank and the inside of the tank exploded. That wouldn't happen. Would it even mess the barrel of the tank up? I don't think it was an incendiary grenade.
A grenade down the barrel will #### up a tank.
If the breach was left open, maybe.
It clearly was.

Notorious T.R.E. said:
The only thing I took as REALLY stupid was when Daryl shoved a grenade down the barrel of the tank and the inside of the tank exploded. That wouldn't happen. Would it even mess the barrel of the tank up? I don't think it was an incendiary grenade.
Also REALLY stupid:

-Headshot Carl suddenly can't shoot 50 yards with a friggin rifle. "OMG it's 50 yards!!!" -Daryl

-Daryl holding up the zombie as a shield while people 20 yards away fired machine guns at him. He'd be full of holes.

-The previously mentioned ignoring of Rick. But also Rick and all these peeps with knives all over their person, but Rick goes for the flying body block on the Governor instead of just stabbing him.

- Cutty using a 4" post and then some pots as cover. Completely unscathed.

-Just about everything involving the tank.

-Chick suddenly walking up with her dead daughter out of nowhere. OHAI

-Zombies suddenly showing up all over the camp - I though there was one massive tank hole in the fence? Did some errant shots from the tank blow more?
Funny you mention that. Last episode at the prison, Rick and Carl were engaging zombies at close range with M4s equipped wth ACOG sights. Sights meant for range shooting. Suddenly when they are shooting at range, they're using iron sights on a lever action rifle and a red dot sit which has no zoom. Quite honestly, with the rifle supported by the fence and an ACOG sight, everyone in this thread could hit a man sized stationary target at 100 yards.
Didn't Carl shoot the Governor?
Not before Uncle Jessie got his head lopped.

He could have punched one through Guv's head on the backswing from that distance.

 
Statorama said:
Has it been mentioned that the governors new lady and Herschel's daughter looked eerily similar?
Daughter and I said the same thing.. .. Could be sisters.. Maybe the old man was playing the field during his :banned: days .. :oldunsure:

 
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So if you guys were in charge, and you had free reign to take the series wherever you wanted, what would you guys do to make the show more watchable, in your opinion? Serious question.
Halfway serious 5 mins or less answer:

- I would add more groups of varying sizes. This group could still be the main group, but I imagine (and have read in various books) that after the initial survival period, pockets of people would get together and look for shelter and eventually grow/merge/take over others/or be taken over. We have had a very slow version of that, but it's lazy to spend so much time making the Governor the only real bad dude (and then that was poorly played) when there's likely a whole lot of bad going on in this dystopian future. How about a roaming group of cannibals a la The Road? How about some slavers? How about a group that believes they went through judgement day and were deemed not worthy? We don't need to get into these other groups' life stories necessarily, but I think you could have more interesting encounters.

- Bicycles/horses/pulleys/medieval weapons. Sure, gas might still work and car batteries maybe too. And they lucked into a bunch of ammo that they're using like one of them has a reloader somewhere. However, it should be running short at this point and some groups should be looking forward to life without them. I liked the bit of reference to the farm for how they intend to survive. I didn't like that it was Rick's Mopey Farm. Also liked that they were using knives and ish for awhile there.

- Trade/interaction between these groups. So maybe Rick's group is so small that they can't hold a great big prison and they're on the move alot. (obviously we're there now) Right now they have a pretty amorphous space and distance between people going on. They wander and wander and finally stumble upon a prison. They also wandered into the farm. But the Guvna sleep-walksinto a town and horses around with some survivors, then leads them right back to the prison in a jiffy. Maybe they need someone that has a friggin map and can look for a more strategic position? Maybe I need the friggin map. I think they could do a much better job describing and showing the path to greener pastures. If I put myself in their shoes, I would have a number of places I'd be thinking about heading to that might be isolated and safe from enemies.

What they did I think is that they have these main events from the comics (didn't read them, so guessing) and they know that they need to get to that milestone, but they do so without a great plan or reason for how. I think everyone knew they were leaving the prison this season. And apparently the other goal was to break up our main group into even smaller groups and send them out into the wild. And how they got there was to have the Governor use his wooden charms to dupe another group into a suicide mission on the prison. Meh.

They could be planning to do none or all of these things, but if they could just get rid of some of the poor writing and acting that would be a huge improvement. Again, I like the show, but it's a lot like a crappy horror movie (which I enjoy from time to time) with how some of this is thrown together.

:shrug:

 
So if you guys were in charge, and you had free reign to take the series wherever you wanted, what would you guys do to make the show more watchable, in your opinion? Serious question.
Halfway serious 5 mins or less answer:

- I would add more groups of varying sizes. This group could still be the main group, but I imagine (and have read in various books) that after the initial survival period, pockets of people would get together and look for shelter and eventually grow/merge/take over others/or be taken over. We have had a very slow version of that, but it's lazy to spend so much time making the Governor the only real bad dude (and then that was poorly played) when there's likely a whole lot of bad going on in this dystopian future. How about a roaming group of cannibals a la The Road? How about some slavers? How about a group that believes they went through judgement day and were deemed not worthy? We don't need to get into these other groups' life stories necessarily, but I think you could have more interesting encounters.

- Bicycles/horses/pulleys/medieval weapons. Sure, gas might still work and car batteries maybe too. And they lucked into a bunch of ammo that they're using like one of them has a reloader somewhere. However, it should be running short at this point and some groups should be looking forward to life without them. I liked the bit of reference to the farm for how they intend to survive. I didn't like that it was Rick's Mopey Farm. Also liked that they were using knives and ish for awhile there.

- Trade/interaction between these groups. So maybe Rick's group is so small that they can't hold a great big prison and they're on the move alot. (obviously we're there now) Right now they have a pretty amorphous space and distance between people going on. They wander and wander and finally stumble upon a prison. They also wandered into the farm. But the Guvna sleep-walksinto a town and horses around with some survivors, then leads them right back to the prison in a jiffy. Maybe they need someone that has a friggin map and can look for a more strategic position? Maybe I need the friggin map. I think they could do a much better job describing and showing the path to greener pastures. If I put myself in their shoes, I would have a number of places I'd be thinking about heading to that might be isolated and safe from enemies.

What they did I think is that they have these main events from the comics (didn't read them, so guessing) and they know that they need to get to that milestone, but they do so without a great plan or reason for how. I think everyone knew they were leaving the prison this season. And apparently the other goal was to break up our main group into even smaller groups and send them out into the wild. And how they got there was to have the Governor use his wooden charms to dupe another group into a suicide mission on the prison. Meh.

They could be planning to do none or all of these things, but if they could just get rid of some of the poor writing and acting that would be a huge improvement. Again, I like the show, but it's a lot like a crappy horror movie (which I enjoy from time to time) with how some of this is thrown together.

:shrug:
tl;dr

 
So if you guys were in charge, and you had free reign to take the series wherever you wanted, what would you guys do to make the show more watchable, in your opinion? Serious question.
Halfway serious 5 mins or less answer:

- I would add more groups of varying sizes. This group could still be the main group, but I imagine (and have read in various books) that after the initial survival period, pockets of people would get together and look for shelter and eventually grow/merge/take over others/or be taken over. We have had a very slow version of that, but it's lazy to spend so much time making the Governor the only real bad dude (and then that was poorly played) when there's likely a whole lot of bad going on in this dystopian future. How about a roaming group of cannibals a la The Road? How about some slavers? How about a group that believes they went through judgement day and were deemed not worthy? We don't need to get into these other groups' life stories necessarily, but I think you could have more interesting encounters.

- Bicycles/horses/pulleys/medieval weapons. Sure, gas might still work and car batteries maybe too. And they lucked into a bunch of ammo that they're using like one of them has a reloader somewhere. However, it should be running short at this point and some groups should be looking forward to life without them. I liked the bit of reference to the farm for how they intend to survive. I didn't like that it was Rick's Mopey Farm. Also liked that they were using knives and ish for awhile there.

- Trade/interaction between these groups. So maybe Rick's group is so small that they can't hold a great big prison and they're on the move alot. (obviously we're there now) Right now they have a pretty amorphous space and distance between people going on. They wander and wander and finally stumble upon a prison. They also wandered into the farm. But the Guvna sleep-walksinto a town and horses around with some survivors, then leads them right back to the prison in a jiffy. Maybe they need someone that has a friggin map and can look for a more strategic position? Maybe I need the friggin map. I think they could do a much better job describing and showing the path to greener pastures. If I put myself in their shoes, I would have a number of places I'd be thinking about heading to that might be isolated and safe from enemies.

What they did I think is that they have these main events from the comics (didn't read them, so guessing) and they know that they need to get to that milestone, but they do so without a great plan or reason for how. I think everyone knew they were leaving the prison this season. And apparently the other goal was to break up our main group into even smaller groups and send them out into the wild. And how they got there was to have the Governor use his wooden charms to dupe another group into a suicide mission on the prison. Meh.

They could be planning to do none or all of these things, but if they could just get rid of some of the poor writing and acting that would be a huge improvement. Again, I like the show, but it's a lot like a crappy horror movie (which I enjoy from time to time) with how some of this is thrown together.

:shrug:
I would watch your show. :thumbup:

 
So if you guys were in charge, and you had free reign to take the series wherever you wanted, what would you guys do to make the show more watchable, in your opinion? Serious question.
Halfway serious 5 mins or less answer:

- I would add more groups of varying sizes. This group could still be the main group, but I imagine (and have read in various books) that after the initial survival period, pockets of people would get together and look for shelter and eventually grow/merge/take over others/or be taken over. We have had a very slow version of that, but it's lazy to spend so much time making the Governor the only real bad dude (and then that was poorly played) when there's likely a whole lot of bad going on in this dystopian future. How about a roaming group of cannibals a la The Road? How about some slavers? How about a group that believes they went through judgement day and were deemed not worthy? We don't need to get into these other groups' life stories necessarily, but I think you could have more interesting encounters.

What they did I think is that they have these main events from the comics (didn't read them, so guessing) and they know that they need to get to that milestone,

:shrug:
Only quoting a couple..

The first quote goes with the 2nd one I added.. They are using the Comic book as the source of material, which centers around Rick and his survival.. They deviate a bit here and there, but the overall storyline is being followed, thus the reason you currently don't see any other main groups.

But I added a link earlier today about the spin-off show in 2015 where Kirkman and the writers have already stated that the spinoff will NOT follow the Comic Book and will be of it's own entity.. What the "entity" will be is still to be determined..

So, my advice... sit back, relax, and enjoy the show for what it is.. Rick and his groups survival with some zombies thrown in.

Or skip it and wait for the Spin-off.

:shrug:

 
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There wasn't nearly enough blood in that car seat for a zombie to have mowed Jude. The blood looked more like it came from dirty hands/arms. There would be a pool of blood and bones in there if it was a place setting for a meal.
They're not going to show baby bones imo, but this looks like plenty of blood to me.

If it was just the sides I would agree it came from dirty hands and arms, but it's darkest in the area blood would pool. The straps are completely soaked.
:lmao:
We sure the pink at the bottom is blood and not the color of the material? There is a pink stripe on the top, it could be matching. Which would translate to not much blood at all.
Well, I tend to like to analyze things, so here is my two cents on that picture.

1. First, someone said Tyrese wasn't shot, but I was pretty sure he did get nicked. I need to rewatch it. Second, it sure did look from that other image that he had his hands cradled around something when he was running away. I need to rewatch that as well. He wasn't holding a pistol (since he didn't have one, a lot easier to use running around), but he sure looked like he could have been holding a baby.

2. There is a bloody hand print on the left side that to me would look like a live person holding onto the car seat, maybe to bend down.

3. There is nowhere near enough blood for a baby still strapped in to be eaten by a zombie. I am pretty sure when Lori was eaten, there was a ton more blood on the ground.

4. The buckles are unhooked. For anyone like me that has had car seats like this, there is no way for a zombie to accidentally unbuckle the top harness and bottom buckle while eating a baby. You can clearly see the top light gray buckles unhooked and below the top right light gray buckle is the black/dark grey seat belt hook that is on the belt itself and hooks into the bottom buckle (you can't see the left one). It is clearly not in the bottom buckle.

5. Yes, there is blood there, but since there is blood on the outside of the seat, the person grabbing the baby had a decent amount of blood on them. So, I could see them getting blood in three places, the bottom of the seat, up near the head and on the straps/buckles. That is where the blood is. There is nothing by the feet and not much at all on the sides. That would lead me to believe that after undoing the straps, one hand cradled the bottom and one hand cradled the head and took the baby out.

6. Forgot to add, the seat is completely upright and not knocked over and the sun guard is perfectly in tact. I just can't see a zombie being that delicate when eating baby sushi.

So, after way too much analysis and thought, I am firmly on the baby is alive side.

 
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I bet that chick that go choked in the box van is carrying the govners evil baby.
Is this shtick or is this guy really r etarded?
Hmmm I didn't see any protection. They made a big production about Glen and Maggie running to the pharmacy for condoms for like half a season, I doubt the writers would pass up the opportunity for another condom run given the chance.

I foresee a one eyed zombie baby busting out of the choke chick Alien style in the future.

 
There wasn't nearly enough blood in that car seat for a zombie to have mowed Jude. The blood looked more like it came from dirty hands/arms. There would be a pool of blood and bones in there if it was a place setting for a meal.
They're not going to show baby bones imo, but this looks like plenty of blood to me.

If it was just the sides I would agree it came from dirty hands and arms, but it's darkest in the area blood would pool. The straps are completely soaked.
:lmao:
We sure the pink at the bottom is blood and not the color of the material? There is a pink stripe on the top, it could be matching. Which would translate to not much blood at all.
Well, I tend to like to analyze things, so here is my two cents on that picture.

1. First, someone said Tyrese wasn't shot, but I was pretty sure he did get nicked. I need to rewatch it. Second, it sure did look from that other image that he had his hands cradled around something when he was running away. I need to rewatch that as well. He wasn't holding a pistol (since he didn't have one, a lot easier to use running around), but he sure looked like he could have been holding a baby.

2. There is a bloody hand print on the left side that to me would look like a live person holding onto the car seat, maybe to bend down.

3. There is nowhere near enough blood for a baby still strapped in to be eaten by a zombie. I am pretty sure when Lori was eaten, there was a ton more blood on the ground.

4. The buckles are unhooked. For anyone like me that has had car seats like this, there is no way for a zombie to accidentally unbuckle the top harness and bottom buckle while eating a baby. You can clearly see the top light gray buckles unhooked and below the top right light gray buckle is the black/dark grey seat belt hook that is on the belt itself and hooks into the bottom buckle (you can't see the left one). It is clearly not in the bottom buckle.

5. Yes, there is blood there, but since there is blood on the outside of the seat, the person grabbing the baby had a decent amount of blood on them. So, I could see them getting blood in three places, the bottom of the seat, up near the head and on the straps/buckles. That is where the blood is. There is nothing by the feet and not much at all on the sides. That would lead me to believe that after undoing the straps, one hand cradled the bottom and one hand cradled the head and took the baby out.

6. Forgot to add, the seat is completely upright and not knocked over and the sun guard is perfectly in tact. I just can't see a zombie being that delicate when eating baby sushi.

So, after way too much analysis and thought, I am firmly on the baby is alive side.
Can't believe I'm still posting about this, but... :oldunsure:

Did this person who took Judith out of the car seat have hands? Or just bloody stumps?

Compare the before and after. The straps are a completely different color due to all the blood. The area between the straps also appears saturated.

And yes, there was a lot more blood from Lori. But she was about 10x bigger and had just been sliced open for her makeshift c-section. She was bleeding to death and then got shot in the head, so there was more blood than if she was simply eaten alive.

But speaking of Lori, there was no trace of bones or anything left from her. So the precedent has been set. If a zombie can completely devour an adult, surely a zombie (or two?) can do the same to a baby.

This is dumb, but I'm bored. :lmao:

 
There wasn't nearly enough blood in that car seat for a zombie to have mowed Jude. The blood looked more like it came from dirty hands/arms. There would be a pool of blood and bones in there if it was a place setting for a meal.
They're not going to show baby bones imo, but this looks like plenty of blood to me.

If it was just the sides I would agree it came from dirty hands and arms, but it's darkest in the area blood would pool. The straps are completely soaked.
:lmao:
We sure the pink at the bottom is blood and not the color of the material? There is a pink stripe on the top, it could be matching. Which would translate to not much blood at all.
Well, I tend to like to analyze things, so here is my two cents on that picture.

1. First, someone said Tyrese wasn't shot, but I was pretty sure he did get nicked. I need to rewatch it. Second, it sure did look from that other image that he had his hands cradled around something when he was running away. I need to rewatch that as well. He wasn't holding a pistol (since he didn't have one, a lot easier to use running around), but he sure looked like he could have been holding a baby.

2. There is a bloody hand print on the left side that to me would look like a live person holding onto the car seat, maybe to bend down.

3. There is nowhere near enough blood for a baby still strapped in to be eaten by a zombie. I am pretty sure when Lori was eaten, there was a ton more blood on the ground.

4. The buckles are unhooked. For anyone like me that has had car seats like this, there is no way for a zombie to accidentally unbuckle the top harness and bottom buckle while eating a baby. You can clearly see the top light gray buckles unhooked and below the top right light gray buckle is the black/dark grey seat belt hook that is on the belt itself and hooks into the bottom buckle (you can't see the left one). It is clearly not in the bottom buckle.

5. Yes, there is blood there, but since there is blood on the outside of the seat, the person grabbing the baby had a decent amount of blood on them. So, I could see them getting blood in three places, the bottom of the seat, up near the head and on the straps/buckles. That is where the blood is. There is nothing by the feet and not much at all on the sides. That would lead me to believe that after undoing the straps, one hand cradled the bottom and one hand cradled the head and took the baby out.

6. Forgot to add, the seat is completely upright and not knocked over and the sun guard is perfectly in tact. I just can't see a zombie being that delicate when eating baby sushi.

So, after way too much analysis and thought, I am firmly on the baby is alive side.
If your premise is correct and someone who was soaked with blood took the plot device out of the car seat who is that? The only one I remember being covered with blood was the guvs love interest after she carried her blood soaked kid around. Are there any other blood soaked candidates?

 
So are we taking bets on whether Judith is dead?

I think she is (despite the strap issue and the fact that zombies seem to tend to just kneel over and messily eat but I'm just chalking that up to lack of continuity).
I say still alive.. When the kids saved Tyreese, he had been shot, so I believe it was his blood all over the seat as he grabbed her and ran with the kids. :shrug:
There's no way he was bleeding that much. He'd be dead.
Screen shot of the car seat...http://i.imgur.com/HZbNLh2.jpg

That's a lot of blood. Can't tell for sure if it's unbuckled but leaning no.
Very sneaky of them to make it appear that it could still be buckled but the reason I believe she's still alive is that the zombie would have had to have ripped her apart piece by piece to eat her if she was buckled. There would have be Judith parts strewn all around the car seat and it's unlikely the car seat would have been sitting up.

Edit: I checked my copy of the show in 720p and the buckle on the right is clearly unbuckled.

She's alive.
LOOK AT ME, I HAVE A 1990s HDTV!
Umm, there's no 1080p episode of the show to download...

My point was that it was higher resolution than that photo.
LOOK AT ME, I HAVE A COMPUTER AND AN INTERNET CONNECTION!

 
There wasn't nearly enough blood in that car seat for a zombie to have mowed Jude. The blood looked more like it came from dirty hands/arms. There would be a pool of blood and bones in there if it was a place setting for a meal.
They're not going to show baby bones imo, but this looks like plenty of blood to me.

If it was just the sides I would agree it came from dirty hands and arms, but it's darkest in the area blood would pool. The straps are completely soaked.
:lmao:
We sure the pink at the bottom is blood and not the color of the material? There is a pink stripe on the top, it could be matching. Which would translate to not much blood at all.
Well, I tend to like to analyze things, so here is my two cents on that picture.

1. First, someone said Tyrese wasn't shot, but I was pretty sure he did get nicked. I need to rewatch it. Second, it sure did look from that other image that he had his hands cradled around something when he was running away. I need to rewatch that as well. He wasn't holding a pistol (since he didn't have one, a lot easier to use running around), but he sure looked like he could have been holding a baby.

2. There is a bloody hand print on the left side that to me would look like a live person holding onto the car seat, maybe to bend down.

3. There is nowhere near enough blood for a baby still strapped in to be eaten by a zombie. I am pretty sure when Lori was eaten, there was a ton more blood on the ground.

4. The buckles are unhooked. For anyone like me that has had car seats like this, there is no way for a zombie to accidentally unbuckle the top harness and bottom buckle while eating a baby. You can clearly see the top light gray buckles unhooked and below the top right light gray buckle is the black/dark grey seat belt hook that is on the belt itself and hooks into the bottom buckle (you can't see the left one). It is clearly not in the bottom buckle.

5. Yes, there is blood there, but since there is blood on the outside of the seat, the person grabbing the baby had a decent amount of blood on them. So, I could see them getting blood in three places, the bottom of the seat, up near the head and on the straps/buckles. That is where the blood is. There is nothing by the feet and not much at all on the sides. That would lead me to believe that after undoing the straps, one hand cradled the bottom and one hand cradled the head and took the baby out.

6. Forgot to add, the seat is completely upright and not knocked over and the sun guard is perfectly in tact. I just can't see a zombie being that delicate when eating baby sushi.

So, after way too much analysis and thought, I am firmly on the baby is alive side.
Can't believe I'm still posting about this, but... :oldunsure:

Did this person who took Judith out of the car seat have hands? Or just bloody stumps?

Compare the before and after. The straps are a completely different color due to all the blood. The area between the straps also appears saturated.

And yes, there was a lot more blood from Lori. But she was about 10x bigger and had just been sliced open for her makeshift c-section. She was bleeding to death and then got shot in the head, so there was more blood than if she was simply eaten alive.

But speaking of Lori, there was no trace of bones or anything left from her. So the precedent has been set. If a zombie can completely devour an adult, surely a zombie (or two?) can do the same to a baby.

This is dumb, but I'm bored. :lmao:
It is dumb, but as I said above, I like to analyze or way, way, way over analyze. Let me also say that I can see both sides, Judith could easily be dead, no reason why not. I just see the other side as plausible. Again, I will rewatch it tonight, but I could swear that Tyrese got shot, I could be wrong. Another reasonable explanation is that a zombie was close and Tyrese killed it, splattering the baby and he moved the zombie and got her. Maybe someone checked to see if they could save a shot person like the red-shirt.

Anyway, I think there are plausible reasons for her to be alive. We aren't talking Lori alive schtick. Even if a zombie picked the bones clean, there seems to be way too little blood/mess and no good explanation for the harness to be taken off and the carseat still upright with the sun guard in the same position as the before picture.

 
was there anyone else of note on the bus besides Glen and a bunch of redshirts? do we think Glen even stayed on the bus? I doubt he would have allowed them to drive off without Maggie. maybe in his searching for Maggie, he found the baby! eureka!

 
Someone please explain the zombies taking a mud bath on the side of the road. I still can't wrap my mind around what is going on there.

What happened to the 7,000 zombies that were huddled up, cruising the streets?

Why were we subjected to hordes of zombies around the fence all season long but when the Guvna decides to show up...none...barely a zombie to mention anywhere in sight?

Have you ever heard a TANK on the roll? It's stupid loud. How about a tank rolling down a paved road? It'd be like a klaxon for any zombies in the area..yet none followed Guvna and his crew to the prison? And no one at the prison heard this thing rumbling?

Wasn't doofus in the tank...a tank operator? Didn't he say that in a previous episode? But dude can't shoot anything but windows?

Back to the mudzombies and the 7,000 zombie horde that mysteriously disappeared or found a building to climb and then rain down upon the unsuspecting...am I the only one that felt like we were watching "The Truman Show" as Jim Carrey was trying to leave the town? All of a sudden cars are in the way, then a forest fire, then a nuclear meltdown. "Let's throw a few thousand zombies on the road." "Wait...we did that already...I got it...zombie mud party!"

Gotta love how no one mentions that radio transmission...ever.

They bust a hole in the fence with a tank...yet, two zombies come creeping up behind Daryl...what the hell? His opponents are coming right at him but somehow the zombies found a back way? Why didn't anyone just follow those two genius zombies to flank the good guys? It's just so we can have the "awesome meat shield" scene. Some lame @zz writer who's played Gears of War too much thought...this would be awesome...ok, how do we make that happen? Who cares...just have the zombies apparate behind Daryl.

The writers just don't give a damn about making any sense whatsoever...so trying to analyze the baby seat is pointless. They don't care about continuity or even trying to have anything be plausible. Again, I think the plot device is alive...I hope it's dead though. No one cares about it...there's not one audience member who's invested in it...just be done with it.

 
Well my guess on the zombie mud pit blocking the road would be the defense wall setup of another group, perhaps the marauder group that killed the other camp by the govs new groups camp.

I also think the radio signal will play into the second half of the season and where they choose to travel to.

What I would have loved to see is Michonne take the gov and turn him into her new walker pet.

 
So what was the deal with the rats?
The rats in the show.. or the rats in the street commercials??

Don't think they have fully explained the rats on the show.. other then most of us believe little Carol is behind them as she.seems to have a little :stirspot: personality..
what were the rats in the street commercials? is this a new movie coming out
Its for like the Kia Soul or something.

Remember those polar bear Coke commericials? They're making a movie out of them, so anything is possible.

 
What if the mud pie zombies were the group of Woodburians the gov mowed down on the road before he bolted with Martinez? He sees them and feels bad and wants to give the camp another chance, so he turns back. But it seems most of those were later shot in the head, can't remember.

Either way, I don't think it was a deterent for him leaving with the women. He could have went around the mud pie. Maybe he realized there really is no safe place out on the road and he cared for Lilly and his new family. So he decided they would be safer back in camp. He tries to give it another honest shot but quickly realizes they aren't safe with Pete as leader who is bound to get everyone killed because he always does the right thing... but what is needed to be done is whatever is necessary for survival. So gov executes his plan to take over leadership.

He keeps the other brother around because he knows how to operate a tank, although he doesn't fire it very well as evidenced at the prison.

 

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