***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[El Floppo]

Here's a complitint ... and this happens in lots of sisows and movies.

Carol has the gun aimed at the ginger ... why does she then walk closer to her? Close enough for the woman to grab the gun and let the cat fight ensue.

I like the drama and I understand it's all make believe ... but just wish it made sense.

Yeah. Watching that scene unfold I kept wondering whether the writers would go the route of lazy, trite plot device when a lot of the rest of the episode Iwas more thoughtful. Not sure why I gave It a second thought given the source.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

No. If there was any point to this episode is that they're all "Negan" and you haven't killed him yet.  

''I AM SPARTACUS ''

''NO...I AM SPARTACUS''

''Im spartacus ,,,IM spartacus.....im spartacus IM SPARTACUS''

 

[snogger]

Well.. I was wrong on who the group was..  

Didn't care for Carol all of sudden having a "Morgan crisis" and giving Paula a chance to run..

Of course we don't know just how many people Negan has, but Rick's group certainly has taken a nice bite out of them.
The Motorcycle group.. Gone.. Outpost gang.. Gone.. Two Scout groups.. gone..  Certainly sets up the reason Negan will be out for blood.

Only 3 episodes left.. :(

 

[bushdocda]

Was Negan driving the motorcycle Daryl fixed up a bunch of episodes back?

Gonna miss old smoker Negan. 

Think Negan kneed Maggie in the gut, doubt they name the baby Negan. 

 

[3C's]

Well.. I was wrong on who the group was..  

Didn't care for Carol all of sudden having a "Morgan crisis" and giving Paula a chance to run..

Of course we don't know just how many people Negan has, but Rick's group certainly has taken a nice bite out of them.
The Motorcycle group.. Gone.. Outpost gang.. Gone.. Two Scout groups.. gone..  Certainly sets up the reason Negan will be out for blood.

Only 3 episodes left.. :(

Same but after thinking about it Carol saw herself when she looked at Paula, an abused woman doing what she had to do to survive.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Carol is ice cold

 

[Jayrok]

Good episode.  Carol having a break down.. but she snapped out of it quick when the girl slashed at Maggie's belly.  Rico shouldn't have opened his mouth.

 

[tonydead]

Horrible.  Filler episode?  Pfft.  That was an I just got my period episode.  

 

[stbugs]

Here's a complaint ... and this happens in lots of shows and movies.

Carol has the gun aimed at the ginger ... why does she then walk closer to her? Close enough for the woman to grab the gun and let the cat fight ensue.

I like the drama and I understand it's all make believe ... but just wish it made sense.

See 3c's post above, exactly my thought. Our heroes are ridiculously flawed, they aren't the smartest/well thought out. Carol really didn't want to kill her and she acted unsafe. I saw no issue with it at all. Again this show would be boring and sterile if everyone acted according to the helicopter fan's rules for the zombie apocalypse. Heck Negan would be taken out according to a 6 month long Navy Seal Op in 5 minutes and the rest of the season would be alternating BBQs at Alexandria and the Hilltop. 

 

[stbugs]

Horrible.  Filler episode?  Pfft.  That was an I just got my period episode.  

Honestly, I don't really know what show you'd like to see. 

 

[Harry Manback]

I do get a nice chuckle when comic readers get upset when things don't go exactly the same as in the comic.

A few years ago I read comics 1-100.  The show to me is better when you don't read the comics.  Same as any book/movie, the movie IMO is always better if I haven't read the book or moviepooper or whatever, whether the movie is the same or not.  It's a huge distraction from what you are watching.  You end up looking for certain things rather than just enjoying what you are seeing. 

I will read the comics when the show ends. 

You do understand that "always better" is subjective, yes? As in; that's like, your opinion man?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

That was an odd episode.  For the first 35 minutes or so, I assumed Carol was putting on an act of being scared and meek, like when she turned into the cookie-baking-and-sweater-wearing-mom when the group arrived in Alexandria.  That would have been completely in character, as they've pretty much established her as the most cold-blooded character in the show besides Rick.  But instead she's really having some crisis of conscience when it comes to killing people who are holding her and Maggie at gunpoint?  Come on.  It's one thing to have a character change and develop over time, but they shouldn't veer all over the road like that.

But whatever.  It was a filler episode, and things are going to get a lot more interesting really quickly.  

 

[Jayrok]

I thought Carol was faking meekness too to get Paula to come in closer. 

 

[(HULK)]

Do you seriously not realize that some comic spoilers actually do make the show less enjoyable for the non comic readers?  If not, wow.  If you do and just don't care then also wow.

I'm not the one who's saying it over and over again and acting like its some big personal theory.  I'm just saying, even though the comic has been spoiled by those comments, the show hasn't been.  Show could do anything.  Complete comprehension failure.

 

[(HULK)]

I loved the discussion between Red and Carol... about loosing count of kills after she hit double digits (which Carol hit before the episode was over).

 

[tonydead]

I love the show would be boring if the characters weren't stupid comments. Pretty sure that's not how great tv happens. 

 

[shadyridr]

I loved the discussion between Red and Carol... about loosing count of kills after she hit double digits (which Carol hit before the episode was over).

Carol was at 18 before that episode

 

[El Floppo]

I love the show would be boring if the characters weren't stupid comments. Pretty sure that's not how great tv happens. 

try that one again, please- maybe rearrange some of the words.

 

[snogger]

That was an odd episode.  For the first 35 minutes or so, I assumed Carol was putting on an act of being scared and meek, like when she turned into the cookie-baking-and-sweater-wearing-mom when the group arrived in Alexandria.  That would have been completely in character, as they've pretty much established her as the most cold-blooded character in the show besides Rick.  But instead she's really having some crisis of conscience when it comes to killing people who are holding her and Maggie at gunpoint?  Come on.  It's one thing to have a character change and develop over time, but they shouldn't veer all over the road like that.

But whatever.  It was a filler episode, and things are going to get a lot more interesting really quickly.  

I'm going back and forth on Carol.. During the episode I thought she was faking the scared and I do think she was faking that part.. The "Old Carol" showed up when that girl took a swipe at Maggie's belly with the knife..
But the part of telling Paula to run had me thinking "WTF??"

But upon reflection, last week they did have her having a moment alone of not being able to sleep and updating her journal with the number 18 and seeming upset about it..
Plus the interactions with Morgan does have her questioning the "Must kill everyone"..

Then they go and burn down the Killing room with Carol nonchalantly throwing in the cig and walking away..  So not sure which Carol is going to stick around..

 

[3C's]

I love the "show would be boring if the characters weren't stupid" comments. Pretty sure that's not how great tv happens. 

try that one again, please- maybe rearrange some of the words.

Maybe that?

 

[El Floppo]

All this talk about Carol- what might be getting minimized is the ruthless direction Maggie has gone in her new "leadership" role.

wasn't the good looking brunette with the mole saying she was pregnant too? bam- dead.

also, aside- per an above post... yeah- the just took out a bunch of people AND scored a pretty big weapons cache. That could arm Hilltop pretty effectively if our gang trusts them (I wouldn't). but that walkie-talkie banter using a series of planned out team names, code words, desired radio frequencies, safe-houses and action-plans- that implies to me this is a BIG group, not just a handful of people. 

 

[shadyridr]

She told ginger to run because she reminded her of herself. All the others she had no problem killing.

 

[shadyridr]

All this talk about Carol- what might be getting minimized is the ruthless direction Maggie has gone in her new "leadership" role.

wasn't the good looking brunette with the mole saying she was pregnant too? bam- dead.

also, aside- per an above post... yeah- the just took out a bunch of people AND scored a pretty big weapons cache. That could arm Hilltop pretty effectively if our gang trusts them (I wouldn't). but that walkie-talkie banter using a series of planned out team names, code words, desired radio frequencies, safe-houses and action-plans- that implies to me this is a BIG group, not just a handful of people. 

She wasn't pregnant. She basically made fun of Maggie for being pregnant in these times.

 

[El Floppo]

I'm going back and forth on Carol.. During the episode I thought she was faking the scared and I do think she was faking that part.. The "Old Carol" showed up when that girl took a swipe at Maggie's belly with the knife..
But the part of telling Paula to run had me thinking "WTF??"

But upon reflection, last week they did have her having a moment alone of not being able to sleep and updating her journal with the number 18 and seeming upset about it..
Plus the interactions with Morgan does have her questioning the "Must kill everyone"..

Then they go and burn down the Killing room with Carol nonchalantly throwing in the cig and walking away..  So not sure which Carol is going to stick around..

agree with what you wrote- Carol was playing her meek Carol role to get an advantage, but was also suffering from a conflicted conscious due to Morgan and probably the baby. and yeah- her throwing the cig into that room shows the conflict might be resolved for her.

 

[El Floppo]

She wasn't pregnant. She basically made fun of Maggie for being pregnant in these times.

I thought she said something about her and the blowed-up boyfriend **** expecting... 

 

[3C's]

She told ginger to run because she reminded her of herself. All the others she had no problem killing.

And further extrapolated she saw what she was becoming, which is what Paula was, cold and uncaring. A few episodes ago she was making beet/acorn cookies. Now she's killing people she really has no beef with.

 

[flapgreen]

That was an odd episode.  For the first 35 minutes or so, I assumed Carol was putting on an act of being scared and meek, like when she turned into the cookie-baking-and-sweater-wearing-mom when the group arrived in Alexandria.  That would have been completely in character, as they've pretty much established her as the most cold-blooded character in the show besides Rick.  But instead she's really having some crisis of conscience when it comes to killing people who are holding her and Maggie at gunpoint?  Come on.  It's one thing to have a character change and develop over time, but they shouldn't veer all over the road like that.

But whatever.  It was a filler episode, and things are going to get a lot more interesting really quickly.  

It's because the show has such a big female fan base now.  Same reason everyone is hooking up

 

[James Daulton]

Carol's crisis of conscious must be gone because burning that scout group to death was just about the worst way you could kill them.

Maggie clearly has no issues killing now and seems to me to even like it a little.  Maybe she sees it as a way to assert her increasing dominance in the group? 

 

[3C's]

I thought she said something about her and the blowed-up boyfriend **** expecting... 

She had a miscarriage.

 

[El Floppo]

She had a miscarriage.

really? missed that.

 

[Jayrok]

Yeah I thought I heard the brunette tell Maggie she lost her baby.

 

[Bossman]

Yeah. Watching that scene unfold I kept wondering whether the writers would go the route of lazy, trite plot device when a lot of the rest of the episode Iwas more thoughtful. Not sure why I gave It a second thought given the source.

. EXACT same thing happened with Carl when the wolves attacked.

Shoots and wounds a guy then walks right up to the guy laying on the ground ... so the guy can grab the rifle barrel. 

Safe to assume Shane would have made a better combat instructor than Rick.

 

[stbugs]

I love the show would be boring if the characters weren't stupid comments. Pretty sure that's not how great tv happens. 

Love the gigantic leap you take there. That isn't even close to what anyone has said. My point has always been that people assume these are the smartest well thought people, i.e. they should be gaining intel and planning Seal Team 6 strikes. Sorry, but guess what, most people aren't that smart and couldn't coordinate that/put together all of that intel anyway.

Let's examine out characters:

Rick - A small town sheriff who from what we have heard has no FBI/military training. He also wasn't smart enough to secure the scene on a car chase with armed criminals such that he got shot and almost died. That's our fearless leader, he started his zombie apocalypse by being a bad cop.

Carol - A lady who became a stone cold killer, but where did she start? She's a battered wife who from her start likely never got past high school if she did finish that. I don't like her character turn because she had owned becoming a great zombie killer, but she's still that battered wife and so she could easily fall back into that mode. Again, no FBI/military training.

As I said, they are very flawed and I expect them to do dumb things, because hey they aren't the top of the mental heap from where they started. Let's stop pretending they are geniuses that are studied in any type of covert operations/military tactics. Also, I am 100% behind the statement that this show would suck and be ridiculously boring if our heroes were 100% perfect in every action/thought. It would also be even more outlandish than what people complain about now.

 

[Bossman]

So were we led to believe that Neegans gang might not be all that bad ... as the old lady lunger was learning of the fate of the biker scout team she says:

"They probably put on a big show" ... meaning they were acting the tough guys ... but really weren't going to harm Daryl, Abraham, Sasha?

Writers trying to instill some doubt about if these are bad people?

 

[packersfan]

Another very good episode. Back half of this season has been terrific so far. 

 

[stbugs]

So were we led to believe that Neegans gang might not be all that bad ... as the old lady lunger was learning of the fate of the biker scout team she says:

"They probably put on a big show" ... meaning they were acting the tough guys ... but really weren't going to harm Daryl, Abraham, Sasha?

Writers trying to instill some doubt about if these are bad people?

Hard to know. I think they were still going to kill one of them. Our red head has killed 10+ people herself and they intimidate other groups (not all of the Hilltop folks are dead), so if they have ladies (not the bikers who do runs/have a lot of conflicts) with 10+ kills they are bad people. Lunger seemed to have the exact same philosophy as Red, so to her a big show might be the speeches and that killing people is just part of the show, no big deal.

I think they are trying to sow some seeds of doubt that our crew may be the bad guys, but I have a feeling they will dispel that when we see Negan.

ETA: I don't think our group is necessarily "all good" because all good people get killed in this world, but I do think they would live and let live to people that just wanted to trade with them. IMHO, Carol <> Red. They've both killed a lot of people, but I think for different reasons. They'd rather not kill people whereas I think Negan's crew could care less about killing people to get stuff they want to take.

 

[snogger]

Carol's crisis of conscious must be gone because burning that scout group to death was just about the worst way you could kill them.

Maggie clearly has no issues killing now and seems to me to even like it a little.  Maybe she sees it as a way to assert her increasing dominance in the group? 

I think you might have missed her comment at the very end when she is with Glenn she tells him "I can't do this any more"..

I took that as killing people is getting to her and she wants no part of it any more..

 

[roadkill1292]

Another killer episode. Show keeps getting better.

 

[bushdocda]

These flashes of conscience at life and death moments are pretty stupid. 

Also thought Negan was setting up to ambush team Rick by the sign at the exchange spot - guess they would have if carol hadn't walkied them to the ironically named kill floor. 

 

[Bossman]

... and there's Maggies sweep kick from the floor that takes the 200 lb guy right off his feet. Amazing she can pack that much power while laying down and hands and feet bound.

Obviously she's had some jujitsu training on the farm.  

 

[Bossman]

Did Rick mention that someone left breadcrumbs for them to follow?

How did they find Carol and Maggie?

I missed that part.

 

[3C's]

... and there's Maggies sweep kick from the floor that takes the 200 lb guy right off his feet. Amazing she can pack that much power while laying down and hands and feet bound.

Obviously she's had some jujitsu training on the farm.  

Guy had lost a lot of blood and was dead not too much later. Could easily have been unstable.

Did Rick mention that someone left breadcrumbs for them to follow?

How did they find Carol and Maggie?

I missed that part.

Daryl is an expert tracker. He tracked down the truck Jesus stole from them. He's like a bloodhound on steroids.

 

[shadyridr]

 

[shadyridr]

I like how ginger was actually right and Rick and company were pretty close

 

[SacramentoBob]

I'm glad they spent that episode developing the character of the captors so they could kill them at the end.

 

[3C's]

I like how ginger was actually right and Rick and company were pretty close

Pretty good for a lowly secretary.

 

[bushdocda]

Pretty good for a lowly secretary.

I'm using the coffee allegory in all future presentations. 

 

[Harry Manback]

So were we led to believe that Neegans gang might not be all that bad ... as the old lady lunger was learning of the fate of the biker scout team she says:

"They probably put on a big show" ... meaning they were acting the tough guys ... but really weren't going to harm Daryl, Abraham, Sasha?

Writers trying to instill some doubt about if these are bad people?

ISIS likes to put on a big show before executing people too. 

Doesn't make them not all that bad, does it?

 

[3C's]

I'm using the coffee allegory in all future presentations. 

Be the bean!? 

 

[Jayrok]

I think you might have missed her comment at the very end when she is with Glenn she tells him "I can't do this any more"..

I took that as killing people is getting to her and she wants no part of it any more..

She may have meant being separated from Glenn.  Not knowing if he is safe and finding herself away from him in danger with the baby.. I can't do this anymore.  Let's stay together. ?